What's Wrong With the NBA Today??

That was Van Blundy?? I'm not surprised....the grind it out posse
always talk a good game. Hubie Brown talks all this shit, about
Lebron, Kobe and guys like that, but he has never coached anything
but robots


Was the other guy Bob Weiss?? I heard him ask about playing for
the Buffalo Braves and I KNOW he wasn't talking about Van Dummy
 
RunawaySlave said:
Damn, anybody notice that L.A.'s lead went from around 23 to 14
in less than 2 minutes....soon as they put Sam in the game that is

yeah, he felt like he JUST HAD to start shooting again... :smh:
 
cranrab said:
BTW, did anybody notice adult video star ruby renegade (20 years old) sitting with fakers owner jerry buss in his box yesterday? next to dave winfield?


I thought that was Dyan Cannon...She looked just as old, damn :eek:
 
RunawaySlave said:
I thought that was Dyan Cannon...She looked just as old, damn :eek:

LOL. :lol:

no, dyan cannon is the blonde fossil sitting next to earvin johnson courtside.

ruby renegade was the 20 year old brunette sitting between jerry buss and dave winfield sitting in the luxury box.
 
RunawaySlave said:
Was the other guy Bob Weiss?? I heard him ask about playing for the Buffalo Braves and I KNOW he wasn't talking about Van Dummy

i didn't hear that question... the announcer was matt devlin, right?

you know, the buffalo braves have turned out some name coaches...

bob mcadoo
matt goukas
bob weiss
adrian dantley

to name a few...
 
Just got finished watching the second half of the Suns/Lakers game
(missed it all on Sunday), and I must say that despite the lackluster
defense of Barbosa and Diaw, the Suns should have won this game
in regulation. AND WOULD HAVE if James Jones had made a shot he
damn sure should have made....

Say what you want about Diaw, but he put a pass right on the money
with 0.7 seconds on the clock. However, Mr. Jones was too concerned
about FLOPPING and missed a fucking CHIP SHOT......

That game should've been over right there

Oh yeah, looked to me like Mr. MVP did NOT have a very good final
2 minutes of regulation against Mr. Parker. In fact, I would say Smush
smushed his ass


good game though
 
cranrab said:
BTW, did anybody notice adult video star ruby renegade (20 years old) sitting with fakers owner jerry buss in his box yesterday? next to dave winfield?


I used to date this stripper\fitness chick that used to have Randy Phund drop 2-3000.00 on her in a night.

And Dave "Robin Givens Mom with Herpes" Winfield? Whats he up to?
 
Diaw named NBA's most improved player
/ Associated Press
Posted: 19 hours ago

PHOENIX (AP) - Boris Diaw went from being a throw-in as part of the Joe Johnson trade to winner of the NBA's most improved player award.

The Phoenix Suns' versatile Frenchman was a landslide choice with 80 first-place votes in balloting by 124 sports writers and sportscasters. He received 489 overall points, compared with 22 first-place votes and 283 points for runner-up David West of New Orleans.

this is odd, because last year, pre-injury david west was a MONSTER rebounder and slight scorer. this season, post-injury david west was a better scorer and slight rebounder. guess we know where the emphasis lies in public importance.

With the Suns down 3-1 in their best-of-seven playoff series against the Los Angeles Lakers, and coming off a 99-98 overtime loss on Sunday, Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni joked that "at least we get to do something fun today" as he presented the award at a news conference Monday.

"I always say it's a team sport, not an individual sport," Diaw said. "You try to get better, not only for yourself, but the principal goal is to get better to be able to help your team. I'm really happy because that's what I found when I came here."

Johnson, an important part of the Suns' 62-win team in the 2004-05 season, asked to be traded to Atlanta, and the Suns complied. They received Diaw and two future first-round draft picks.

The 6-foot-8 Diaw, a 2003 first-round draft pick (21st overall), averaged 4.6 points, 3.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists while shooting 44 percent in 66 games for the Hawks last season.

Inserted into the front line for the small, fast-paced Suns, and improving his mid-range jumper in the process, Diaw averaged 13.3 points, 6.9 rebounds and 6.2 assists this season, shooting 53 percent. He played in 81 games, 70 as a starter.

"I've been improving in a lot of different areas," Diaw said. "That's why I'm happy to get this award right now because the only thing that scares me in basketball is to stop improving, stop getting better. I always want to get better. Because I'm a versatile player, I have to work on all parts of my game."

He joined LeBron James and Jason Kidd as the only players to average at least six rebounds and six assists per game this season. Diaw had four triple-doubles, including consecutive ones on April 14 and 16.

"My pride is my creativity, to be able to make plays for my teammates," Diaw said. "That's why I've been fitting pretty well in this system because that's what we try to do. We've got a bunch of shooters, and I just try to set them up."

D'Antoni said Diaw still has much room for improvement, especially on his jump shot. He said Diaw can be a devastating player if he develops a consistent 3-point shot. Other than that, all the natural ability is there, the coach said.

"The guy can become a great shooter," D'Antoni said. "He has a nice technique. The rest of it, you know what, his instincts are unbelievable. Other than just experience and just trusting himself, he doesn't need to learn anything. ... One of the reasons he got the most improved is he played. His skills were seen this year, let's put it that way."
 
this gripe is with TNT, not the NBA...

they can't schedule their coverage for SHIT!

the fakers v. suns series has been 'joined already in progress' AT LEAST 3 times already in 5 games...

sorry ass TNT!

:angry:
 
cranrab said:
this gripe is with TNT, not the NBA...

they can't schedule their coverage for SHIT!

the fakers v. suns series has been 'joined already in progress' AT LEAST 3 times already in 5 games...

sorry ass TNT!

:angry:
abc does the same shit- and they do with fuckin football games to- i lost count of how many punts these assholes clipped for commercials. The same as TNT and freethrows after timeouts :smh: espns game producers suck ass
 
In here watching the Cavaliers/Wizards game... Anyone just see LeBron bulldoze Jared Jefferies and the refs overrule the original call?

I think LeBron is the MVP this season but to only be in the league 3 years, hell to even be in the league, this guy BITCHES to the referees all game long. Will someone please tell him the stfu and play. :smh:
 
flip

xfactor said:
In here watching the Cavaliers/Wizards game... Anyone just see LeBron bulldoze Jared Jefferies and the refs overrule the original call?

anybody watching ronald murray dissecting the wizards D?

holy hell.
 
cranrab said:
that's your boy coach jeff van gundy

coach van gundy just asked why bob mcadoo wasn't in the hall of fame...

deja vu, eh makk/dolemite?

bob mcadoo was inducted into the hall of fame in 2000 with isiah thomas...

anybody watching this wizards v. cavaliers game? in OT cavs 117 wiz 116
 
cranrab said:
coach van gundy just asked why bob mcadoo wasn't in the hall of fame...

deja vu, eh makk/dolemite?

bob mcadoo was inducted into the hall of fame in 2000 with isiah thomas...

anybody watching this wizards v. cavaliers game? in OT cavs 117 wiz 116
yup lol someone said that shit before too and i looked up his record but not the hall of fame site and didnt see it and I started wylin out :lol:
 
cranrab said:
coach van gundy just asked why bob mcadoo wasn't in the hall of fame...

deja vu, eh makk/dolemite?

bob mcadoo was inducted into the hall of fame in 2000 with isiah thomas...

anybody watching this wizards v. cavaliers game? in OT cavs 117 wiz 116

no D-Fense

no D-Fense

Lebron winnig it with a layup????? WTF


No timeout?

Cran, is Eddie Jordan a bad coach? Whats the deal?
 
SpiritualPorn said:
Cran, is Eddie Jordan a bad coach? Whats the deal?

if you want to talk Xs and Os about that last score, it has more to do with brendan haywood not focusing and less to do with coach jordan...

i'm not comfortable calling out a head coach based on a single game, but there are definitely things that could've been done differently.

here's what coach jordan thought:

HEAD COACH EDDIE JORDAN
(On the game-winning field goal by LeBron James)
“He makes a great play. We wanted to try to stop him without fouling. Fouling is not the answer. I think he made something out of nothing, which great players do. He had the catch deep in the corner and pivot and go by one guy along the baseline, another guy on the baseline, and make a reverse layup. A lot of normal guys miss that.”
(On not having two best defenders on the court for the last play)
“Yeah, you don’t have that matchup, those assignments to kind of keep up with his speed and cut his angle off. You can sit here and say we could have done that, could have done this. We put Brendan (Haywood) on the ball. We had a big on the ball to kind of disrupt the pass. W didn’t want to switch while the ball was out of bounds. We just wanted to stay and trail and stay into people. He makes a great play.”

(On the number of defensive schemes the Wizards have against James)
“We doubled on him, we switched on him, we got difference matchups with Caron (Butler) and Jared (Jeffries), our best matchups on him. We doubled him, we showed double, we faked doubles, we switched. I don’t know, that’s all I know of. Unless you want to run another guy at him, 3 guys. That’s what happened in the first game, we loaded up on him, and he found other guys cutting to the basket, wide open shooters. He was helping his teammates and eventually he’s going to help himself after they score.”

(On Flip Murray replacing James with 4 fouls in the 3rd quarter and his effect)
“I thought we got a lead real quickly, then Flip did score some baskets, pull ups, pretty much like he did the last game of the regular season. He stepped up and made some things happen for them. That’s why they won 50 games. They have people they can go to.”

(Opening Statement)
“Obviously, a very tough loss for us. A great player made a great move. It was a terrific battle, terrific game and I hope we match that same type of energy and same type of execution coming back home. And, hopefully, we can get back here on Sunday.”

gil on how the last play broke down defensively:

(On the Wizards defense on the last play)
“I hit both free throws and I told everybody to calm down in the huddle, it’s not over, there’s three seconds left. We’ve been in this situation before where we lost game winners. We put Brendan (Haywood) on the ball and told him to cut off that corner pass. Larry (Hughes) made a great fake to the three-point line and the center bit for it. LeBron got it and made an athletic move. They cut it out one side and I was the only person on the back side. Six-eight, six-three (heights), he jumped, I couldn’t block it.”

jared jeffries on how the last play broke down defensively:

(On LeBron James’ game-winning shot)
It was a tough shot that he hit. In basketball terminology, the ball can’t go to the corner. We have to figure out a way to take away that corner and make the ball go out on the court where he is coming away from the basket and not having his momentum going towards the rim

caron butler on how the last play broke down defensively:

(On this being Washington’s game to take)
We felt comfortable about our chances. We were real confident down the stretch. We should have done a better job on the out-of-bounds play and trying to push him back towards center court. LeBron caught the ball on the baseline and made a heckuva move maneuvering around two defenders and was able to get the shot off in time.
 
ReWhat's Wrong With the NBA Today?

i didn't wanna start a whole new thread for this topic, but has anyone noticed that ben gordon has a "tell"? telegraphs his jump shot?

ben gordon stands HYPER erect (almost leaning at a slight angle BACKWARD) when he decides to take a shot...
 
I don't think Eddie Jordan or Ben Gordon are part of the problem
with the NBA today, lol

But yeah, I noticed that about Gordon's jumper. Hell, he can tell all he
wants as long as he's making them. He isn't exactly a PG, ain't
exactly a 2. So he's gotta make do any way he can. Especially with
that backcourt mate. I think you could put Gordon next to a big
PG who can't shoot, but can guard other big guards, and it would
make a very nice backcourt

As for Jordan, he has years of experience, but he is still relatively
new as a HEAD coach of an NBA team

The Wizards are lacking toughness....They miss Etan Thomas more
than they think. That would be my only knock on Jordan. He never
played Thomas enough and Haywood too much

Although I would take either of them over ANY faggity stiff shooting
jumpers from 20 feet away
 
Re: ReWhat's Wrong With the NBA Today?

cranrab said:
i didn't wanna start a whole new thread for this topic, but has anyone noticed that ben gordon has a "tell"? telegraphs his jump shot?

ben gordon stands HYPER erect (almost leaning at a slight angle BACKWARD) when he decides to take a shot...

Gordon's been like that since college... Telegrahping his jumper. He's just got an unorthodox shooting motion. Weird type of habit to have. But I guess nobody felt the need to correct it.

But its still not worse than Shawn Marions shot. I dont even see how he makes shots with that release. :smh:

SL,

Whats wrong with a big man shooting 20 footers all game? And posting people up from the 3 point line? ;)
 
question for people with experience in TEAM SPORTS.

i don't care if you've been a player, ball boy, coach, equipment manager, water boy, towel boy or stat keeper...

i want your opinion on this subject if you've been involved in TEAM sports.

a friend of mine who has been an on-air television sports anchor for major networks in orlando and chicago sent me some video and the question i am asking you here.

we all have heard about, read, or watched the raja bell foul on tobe in game 5. what is curious about that play is the REACTION OF THE FAKERS PLAYERS ON THE COURT.

who immediately stepped to raja bell afterwards?

[crickets chirping]

here is the question:

"what does that tell you about how his teammates feel about tobe?"

while some of you prepare your answers, here are some game 6 quotes:

LAKERS HEAD COACH PHIL JACKSON: “It was a great game. Both teams shot exceptionally well and played a lot of offensive basketball. But that is there style and we need to do a lot better job of playing our style on Saturday

LAKERS FORWARD LUKE WALTON (10 PTS, 5 REBS): “We had opportunities. All we had to do is grab the rebound at the end. Obviously there was more than that, but that is how close it was. We know we can beat this team and we need to get back to doing what we did early in the series when we were successful.”

LAKERS FORWARD LAMAR ODOM (22 PTS, 11 REBS, 9 ASTS): “This is a tough loss for me. I lost track of Marion when the ball got to the middle and us up by three. I just let him go. I should have let Nash go but he got some penetration and I went to help, he kicked it out, Marion got the offensive rebound… he kicked it to [Tim] Thomas and he hit the three.

“We played this game well enough to win it but we came up short. I guess you could call this a mental lapse. Now we have to come out in Game Seven and make it up… We can win in Phoenix. We just have to go in there and play our game. This happens in sports.”
 
Re: question for people with experience in TEAM SPORTS.

cranrab said:
i don't care if you've been a player, ball boy, coach, equipment manager, water boy, towel boy or stat keeper...

i want your opinion on this subject if you've been involved in TEAM sports.

a friend of mine who has been an on-air television sports anchor for major networks in orlando and chicago sent me some video and the question i am asking you here.

we all have heard about, read, or watched the raja bell foul on tobe in game 5. what is curious about that play is the REACTION OF THE FAKERS PLAYERS ON THE COURT.

who immediately stepped to raja bell afterwards?

[crickets chirping]

here is the question:

"what does that tell you about how his teammates feel about tobe?"

while some of you prepare your answers, here are some game 6 quotes:

LAKERS HEAD COACH PHIL JACKSON: “It was a great game. Both teams shot exceptionally well and played a lot of offensive basketball. But that is there style and we need to do a lot better job of playing our style on Saturday

LAKERS FORWARD LUKE WALTON (10 PTS, 5 REBS): “We had opportunities. All we had to do is grab the rebound at the end. Obviously there was more than that, but that is how close it was. We know we can beat this team and we need to get back to doing what we did early in the series when we were successful.”

LAKERS FORWARD LAMAR ODOM (22 PTS, 11 REBS, 9 ASTS): “This is a tough loss for me. I lost track of Marion when the ball got to the middle and us up by three. I just let him go. I should have let Nash go but he got some penetration and I went to help, he kicked it out, Marion got the offensive rebound… he kicked it to [Tim] Thomas and he hit the three.

“We played this game well enough to win it but we came up short. I guess you could call this a mental lapse. Now we have to come out in Game Seven and make it up… We can win in Phoenix. We just have to go in there and play our game. This happens in sports.”

Just a quick question, does your whole life revolve around what Kobe is doing or isnt doing? Why do you see the need to make such a big deal about Kobe? Not starting an argument, just curious.
 
Hold on.....there are ENOUGH threads about Kobe Bryant. This
will NOT become one of them. Ask that question somewhere else
Use Kobe as an example of what is right, or what is wrong about
the NBA....But I'll be damned if this is gonna become just another
Kobe thread....enough of them shits already. Dude is just a
microcosm on the problem. Which started YEARS before he came
on the scene

Just do a fucking Kobe search and ask that shit elsewhere please

thank you
 
RunawaySlave said:
Hold on.....there are ENOUGH threads about Kobe Bryant. This
will NOT become one of them. Ask that question somewhere else
Use Kobe as an example of what is right, or what is wrong about
the NBA....But I'll be damned if this is gonna become just another
Kobe thread....enough of them shits already. Dude is just a
microcosm on the problem. Which started YEARS before he came
on the scene

Just do a fucking Kobe search and ask that shit elsewhere please

thank you

Thats the point i'm trying to make. Every basketball thread always turns into a Kobe thread. As if he's the only player in the NBA.
 
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Nuggets, Vandeweghe have been down this road before</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER height="1" width="1" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By ARNIE STAPLETON, AP Sports Writer
May 6, 2006




DENVER (AP) -- Kiki Vandeweghe was one of the most popular and productive players for the Denver Nuggets in the early 1980s. Yet, it wasn't until he left town that the team became a true contender.

The same scenario might be playing out now.

Vandeweghe learned Friday what he had suspected for some time: team owner Stan Kroenke wants somebody else steering the franchise loaded with equal parts talent and trouble.





Vandeweghe began his 13-year NBA playing career in Denver in 1980 after leading UCLA to the national championship game. He averaged 23.3 points in four seasons in Denver, but the Nuggets didn't become a real threat until 1985 after he was sent to Portland for Fat Lever, Calvin Natt and Wayne Cooper in the biggest trade in franchise history.
Oddly, it may take Vandeweghe's leaving again for the Nuggets to reach their potential this time around.
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Vandeweghe reshaped the Nuggets and returned them to respectability after taking over as general manager on Aug. 9, 2001. Speculation about his future ran rampant this season as Kroenke stayed silent regarding an extension.



The 47-year-old Vandeweghe met with Kroenke on Friday, four days after the Nuggets bowed out of the playoffs in the first round for the third straight season.

"After meeting with Kiki today, we agreed his contract will not be extended. We appreciate the time he spent with the Nuggets and wish him good luck as he seeks out his next challenge," Kroenke said in a statement. "We remain focused on attaining our goal of establishing a team that consistently competes at the highest levels and will make every effort to achieve that goal."

Kroenke didn't say if he had anyone in mind to replace Vandeweghe.

Vandeweghe didn't answer a phone call from The Associated Press on Friday, but in a statement released by the team, he said: "I am truly grateful to Mr. Kroenke for the opportunity he gave me and for everything I have learned from this experience. I am excited about moving in a new direction."

Although there's no real urgency to get someone in place because the Nuggets don't own a first-round selection in the June 28 draft, there are many issues confronting the club this offseason.

Star Carmelo Anthony is eligible for a contract extension of some $80 million and there's the question of what to do with fiery forward Kenyon Martin, who was suspended in the playoffs for insubordination.

Martin is still due more than $70 million on his contract, which runs through 2011. Coach George Karl also issued a plea this week for more shooters after the

Nuggets' dismal performance in the playoffs, although his wish list didn't stop there.

How about four?" he said. "Can we get a big man who can make a shot? Can we get a true shooter on a 3-point line? Maybe a scorer and a shooter? A penetrator?"


Denver was expected to jump into the elite echelon of the Western Conference this season but injuries and inconsistencies did them in. Although the Nuggets won their first division title in 18 seasons, they were bounced from the playoffs in five games by the Los Angeles Clippers.

Other than his selection of Anthony in 2003 and the draft-day deal for Brazilian forward Nene in '02, Vandeweghe's draft record was dismal. Fans never forgave him for bypassing Amare Stoudemire, the eventual rookie of the year, for forward Nikoloz Tskitishvili in 2002.

Still, Vandeweghe was so adept at dumping salary and luring free agents that he reshaped the Nuggets from a perennial lottery team to one that won its first division title since 1988 despite a slew of noteworthy injuries.

After clearing salary cap space, he got Nene and Marcus Camby in a draft-day deal from the New York Knicks in 2002. Anthony's selection with the third pick the following year helped the Nuggets improve their win total by 26 and, stunningly, they reached the playoffs for the first time since 1995.

Vandeweghe, however, wanted to fire coach Jeff Bzdelik after the 2003-04 season, but Kroenke balked.

Vandeweghe acquired Martin that summer from the New Jersey Nets for three first-round draft picks, the deal that was probably his eventual undoing. Bzdelik was fired after a slow start in 2004-05 and interim coach Michael Cooper went 4-10 before Kroenke brought in Karl, who led Denver to the playoffs.

This season began with high expectations but Nene went down in the opener with a torn knee ligament that sidelined him all season, and the team never found a rhythm on the court or chemistry in the locker room, winning but a single game in the playoffs for the third straight year.

Vandeweghe, whose contract was set to expire Aug. 1, was the first to pay the price.



Updated on Saturday, May 6, 2006 3:40 am EDT


So long Kiki
 
Re: question for people with experience in TEAM SPORTS.

cranrab said:
i don't care if you've been a player, ball boy, coach, equipment manager, water boy, towel boy or stat keeper...

i want your opinion on this subject if you've been involved in TEAM sports.

a friend of mine who has been an on-air television sports anchor for major networks in orlando and chicago sent me some video and the question i am asking you here.

we all have heard about, read, or watched the raja bell foul on tobe in game 5. what is curious about that play is the REACTION OF THE FAKERS PLAYERS ON THE COURT.

who immediately stepped to raja bell afterwards?

[crickets chirping]

here is the question:

"what does that tell you about how his teammates feel about tobe?"

while some of you prepare your answers, here are some game 6 quotes:

LAKERS HEAD COACH PHIL JACKSON: “It was a great game. Both teams shot exceptionally well and played a lot of offensive basketball. But that is there style and we need to do a lot better job of playing our style on Saturday

LAKERS FORWARD LUKE WALTON (10 PTS, 5 REBS): “We had opportunities. All we had to do is grab the rebound at the end. Obviously there was more than that, but that is how close it was. We know we can beat this team and we need to get back to doing what we did early in the series when we were successful.”

LAKERS FORWARD LAMAR ODOM (22 PTS, 11 REBS, 9 ASTS): “This is a tough loss for me. I lost track of Marion when the ball got to the middle and us up by three. I just let him go. I should have let Nash go but he got some penetration and I went to help, he kicked it out, Marion got the offensive rebound… he kicked it to [Tim] Thomas and he hit the three.

“We played this game well enough to win it but we came up short. I guess you could call this a mental lapse. Now we have to come out in Game Seven and make it up… We can win in Phoenix. We just have to go in there and play our game. This happens in sports.”
I'll apply the thread title to your question. Far too many teams are stacked with bitches with no enforcers or dudes with enough heart to flip on someone. The 4 best teams in the league- Detroit, Dallas, San Antonio, Miami all have at least one or more dudes who will try to beat your ass if you fuck with them or their teammates.

Thats part of being a team. Caring enough about even a guy you personally hate to stand up for him because he's on your side and you won't go for that kind of bullshit. I've never seen a team that is weak in cohesiveness win anything.


cranrab- I know for a fact you are really John Singleton and Toby fucked your ex :D you dream about Kobe dont you? :smh: cmon bruh you're starting to diminish your image with this shit
 
Dolomite said:
I'll apply the thread title to your question. Far too many teams are stacked with bitches with no enforcers or dudes with enough heart to flip on someone. The 4 best teams in the league- Detroit, Dallas, San Antonio, Miami all have at least one or more dudes who will try to beat your ass if you fuck with them or their teammates.

Thats part of being a team. Caring enough about even a guy you personally hate to stand up for him because he's on your side and you won't go for that kind of bullshit. I've never seen a team that is weak in cohesiveness win anything


Well said. Looking forward to the counter argument on this one
Although I disagree about Dallas. They have no enforcers. Unless
you're counting Jerry Stackhouse or Avery Johnson or somebody...
Dampier will foul you hard, but that's because he's more of a doofus
than an enforcer and we know Nitwitski is a straight up biyatch
 
question for people with experience in TEAM SPORTS.

Dolemite said:
Thats part of being a team. Caring enough about even a guy you personally hate to stand up for him because he's on your side and you won't go for that kind of bullshit. I've never seen a team that is weak in cohesiveness win anything.

i took the time to post this (about 45 seconds) because for people who have been involved in TEAM sports, that sort of thing JUMPS out at you...

it speaks VOLUMES about TEAM health and where players heads are at...

what you stated above is mostly CORRECT... you don't need to be a roughneck enforcer (a la charles oakley or rick mahorn) to defend a teammate... think avery johnson, kevin johnson or john stockton jumping in the mix...

i'd think that BASKETBALL fans in general and fakers fans specifically would be concerned that NOBODY stepped up to challenge raja bell after the foul...

for those that thought this post was about tobe, YOU'RE WRONG. it's about THE FAKERS state of mind regarding tobe in game 5... and why that lack of support may have caused what we saw in game 6...

and :lol: @ makk/dolemite... don't insult me with that john singleton bit... i would've never made 'higher learning' or 'four brothers'... :D
 
RunawaySlave said:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Nuggets, Vandeweghe have been down this road before</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER height="1" width="1" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By ARNIE STAPLETON, AP Sports Writer
May 6, 2006




DENVER (AP) -- Kiki Vandeweghe was one of the most popular and productive players for the Denver Nuggets in the early 1980s. Yet, it wasn't until he left town that the team became a true contender.

The same scenario might be playing out now.

Vandeweghe learned Friday what he had suspected for some time: team owner Stan Kroenke wants somebody else steering the franchise loaded with equal parts talent and trouble.





Vandeweghe began his 13-year NBA playing career in Denver in 1980 after leading UCLA to the national championship game. He averaged 23.3 points in four seasons in Denver, but the Nuggets didn't become a real threat until 1985 after he was sent to Portland for Fat Lever, Calvin Natt and Wayne Cooper in the biggest trade in franchise history.
Oddly, it may take Vandeweghe's leaving again for the Nuggets to reach their potential this time around.
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Vandeweghe reshaped the Nuggets and returned them to respectability after taking over as general manager on Aug. 9, 2001. Speculation about his future ran rampant this season as Kroenke stayed silent regarding an extension.



The 47-year-old Vandeweghe met with Kroenke on Friday, four days after the Nuggets bowed out of the playoffs in the first round for the third straight season.

"After meeting with Kiki today, we agreed his contract will not be extended. We appreciate the time he spent with the Nuggets and wish him good luck as he seeks out his next challenge," Kroenke said in a statement. "We remain focused on attaining our goal of establishing a team that consistently competes at the highest levels and will make every effort to achieve that goal."

Kroenke didn't say if he had anyone in mind to replace Vandeweghe.

Vandeweghe didn't answer a phone call from The Associated Press on Friday, but in a statement released by the team, he said: "I am truly grateful to Mr. Kroenke for the opportunity he gave me and for everything I have learned from this experience. I am excited about moving in a new direction."

Although there's no real urgency to get someone in place because the Nuggets don't own a first-round selection in the June 28 draft, there are many issues confronting the club this offseason.

Star Carmelo Anthony is eligible for a contract extension of some $80 million and there's the question of what to do with fiery forward Kenyon Martin, who was suspended in the playoffs for insubordination.

Martin is still due more than $70 million on his contract, which runs through 2011. Coach George Karl also issued a plea this week for more shooters after the

Nuggets' dismal performance in the playoffs, although his wish list didn't stop there.

How about four?" he said. "Can we get a big man who can make a shot? Can we get a true shooter on a 3-point line? Maybe a scorer and a shooter? A penetrator?"


Denver was expected to jump into the elite echelon of the Western Conference this season but injuries and inconsistencies did them in. Although the Nuggets won their first division title in 18 seasons, they were bounced from the playoffs in five games by the Los Angeles Clippers.

Other than his selection of Anthony in 2003 and the draft-day deal for Brazilian forward Nene in '02, Vandeweghe's draft record was dismal. Fans never forgave him for bypassing Amare Stoudemire, the eventual rookie of the year, for forward Nikoloz Tskitishvili in 2002.

Still, Vandeweghe was so adept at dumping salary and luring free agents that he reshaped the Nuggets from a perennial lottery team to one that won its first division title since 1988 despite a slew of noteworthy injuries.

After clearing salary cap space, he got Nene and Marcus Camby in a draft-day deal from the New York Knicks in 2002. Anthony's selection with the third pick the following year helped the Nuggets improve their win total by 26 and, stunningly, they reached the playoffs for the first time since 1995.

Vandeweghe, however, wanted to fire coach Jeff Bzdelik after the 2003-04 season, but Kroenke balked.

Vandeweghe acquired Martin that summer from the New Jersey Nets for three first-round draft picks, the deal that was probably his eventual undoing. Bzdelik was fired after a slow start in 2004-05 and interim coach Michael Cooper went 4-10 before Kroenke brought in Karl, who led Denver to the playoffs.

This season began with high expectations but Nene went down in the opener with a torn knee ligament that sidelined him all season, and the team never found a rhythm on the court or chemistry in the locker room, winning but a single game in the playoffs for the third straight year.

Vandeweghe, whose contract was set to expire Aug. 1, was the first to pay the price.



Updated on Saturday, May 6, 2006 3:40 am EDT

i thought coach karl would be first to go...

the nuggets have a lot of engineering to do in the off-season... i'm surprised/disappointed that coach karl spouted off so freely about what the nuggets' needs are...

while coach karl's remarks about needing perimeter shooters is true enough, his other comments basically indict other players for a supposed lack of talent, and that's wrong... :(
 
Re: question for people with experience in TEAM SPORTS.

cranrab said:
i don't care if you've been a player, ball boy, coach, equipment manager, water boy, towel boy or stat keeper...

i want your opinion on this subject if you've been involved in TEAM sports.

a friend of mine who has been an on-air television sports anchor for major networks in orlando and chicago sent me some video and the question i am asking you here.

we all have heard about, read, or watched the raja bell foul on tobe in game 5. what is curious about that play is the REACTION OF THE FAKERS PLAYERS ON THE COURT.

who immediately stepped to raja bell afterwards?

[crickets chirping]

here is the question:

"what does that tell you about how his teammates feel about tobe?"

It tells you that his teammates have little to no respect for him. Proving that people (BGOL dimwits) should watch the actions of Wobe's teammates and not the words they say in the media. I can remember back to highschool and college where it would definitely get heated if guys were talking shit, sticking their elbow or knee out just a little further on screens, dealing with intoxicated fans, etc but if someone crossed the line, someone would definitely step in. I've seen more COACHES react to things more physically than the Lakers players after Bell treated Wobe like a rag doll.

You should always stick up for your teammates when going against the opposition. I'm surprised that nobody came over and knocked Bell on his ass. I'm also surprised that no one brought this question up sooner because although I missed the game, that was the first thing I noticed on the highlights. Even a soft euro like Boris Diaw came to the aid of his teammate when Puke Walton fouled TT out of the air in Game 3.

In Wobe's defense however, in the NBA, especially with the prep to pro generation, a lot of players only care about themselves. However that still doesnt mean they wont step in when they see something happen. I'd like to see another member of the Lakers get hit or take a hard foul in Game 7 and see how the teammates react as opposed to how they did when Bryant got intentionally dropped.

:smh: @ people wondering why the opposition doesnt respect Wobe when his own team doesnt.
 
cranrab said:
while coach karl's remarks about needing perimeter shooters is true enough, his other comments basically indict other players for a supposed lack of talent, and that's wrong... :(


George Karl said:
"Can we get a big man who can make a shot?


I thought this was a very telling statement against both Kenyon Martin
AND Marcus Camby. More against Camby though because Martin didn't
even play

They have no outside shooter to free up a downlow presence, and no
downlow presence to free up the outside shooters

They just work around Carmelo...which is the way Kiki set it up...which
is why I think they didn't renew his contract
 
Re: question for people with experience in TEAM SPORTS.

xfactor said:
:smh: @ people wondering why the opposition doesnt respect Wobe when his own team doesnt.


Again, I am not trying to make this another Kobe/Tobe
thread. I'd rather leave personal remarks like this OUT
of this thread


thanks


and to anyone else...I much rather have a intelligent
discussion about the NBA....make jokes and have fun
but leave these clowns :lol: :dance:
and their sentimentalities OUT of thread please. It's
like having an intelligent discussion with a 10 year old
(if you know what I mean)
 
RunawaySlave said:
How about four?" he said. "Can we get a big man who can make a shot? Can we get a true shooter on a 3-point line? Maybe a scorer and a shooter? A penetrator?"

agreed.

marcus camby brings the nuggets rebounding and shot blocking, but his FG% is oddly low for a big man (46%)... he must be one of those perimeter jump shot shooting big men you like so much... :D

i'd still keep marcus camby though, because in the end, i'd still want a shot blocker and rebounder... if he could stay healthy, that is...

current problems with kenyon martin aside, i think it was a huge mistake to try and make kenyon martin a scorer... i don't believe the skill sets exist... slasher, finisher, rebounder, active team defender YES, but featured scorer? NO.

denver isn't alone in their problems... the league has a dearth of quality big men who are talented scorers from the pivot... kiki vandeweghe could've done much worse in putting together a squad on paper...

marcus camby
kenyon martin
carmelo anthony
SG? (say goodbye, voshon lenard)
andre miller

oh well, let's see what they can produce when they go back to the drawing board AGAIN... it's no wonder they're a little impatient out there... they haven't seen 50 wins in 18 seasons, or advanced to the western conference finals in mroe than 20 seasons...
 
RunawaySlave said:
Well said. Looking forward to the counter argument on this one
Although I disagree about Dallas. They have no enforcers. Unless
you're counting Jerry Stackhouse or Avery Johnson or somebody...
Dampier will foul you hard, but that's because he's more of a doofus
than an enforcer and we know Nitwitski is a straight up biyatch


The only one on dallas that im sure of is Stack like you mentioned- he will punch a mufucka in the face :lol:
nowitzki is a gay nazi but im not sure if daniels or howard are suckers , I dont think so

If someone did something intentionally to hurt a dude on dallas' team stack would fuck them or someone else up on another play im pretty sure unless it was a situation where they were already winning


cranrab said:
i took the time to post this (about 45 seconds) because for people who have been involved in TEAM sports, that sort of thing JUMPS out at you...

it speaks VOLUMES about TEAM health and where players heads are at...

what you stated above is mostly CORRECT... you don't need to be a roughneck enforcer (a la charles oakley or rick mahorn) to defend a teammate... think avery johnson, kevin johnson or john stockton jumping in the mix...

i'd think that BASKETBALL fans in general and fakers fans specifically would be concerned that NOBODY stepped up to challenge raja bell after the foul...

for those that thought this post was about tobe, YOU'RE WRONG. it's about THE FAKERS state of mind regarding tobe in game 5... and why that lack of support may have caused what we saw in game 6...
You brought the muthafucka up AGAIN just like you did NOW AGAIN :lol:
:smh: anyway I think that team doesnt hate Toby I just think they are a bunch of samaki walker type kool aid niggas with more skill aka bitches

Who does anyone consider tough on that whole team? Jim Jackson? Aaron McKie? shit Andrew Bynum is the toughest mufucka on that whole squad. No one else would bam it on shaq and come down court and hit him with a bow to the chest :lol:

Charkles Oakley and Anthony Mason didnt fight every game but they were tough strong physical players and the lakers have none of that.







and @ makk/dolemite... don't insult me with that john singleton bit... i would've never made 'higher learning' or 'four brothers'...


:lol: your ex is fuckin tyler perry now so chill on toby bean :D
 
SG? (say goodbye, voshon lenard)


This is the move that really hurt Kiki. Getting a 6'5" guy
who can stick a 20 footer and defend is not as hard as
he made it out to be......

Especially since it led to their downfall LAST year as well
He did a job good, but he never did address that need.
He has TWO seasons to find that player....Hell, he could've
tried getting KERRY KITTLES or somebody like that. Instead
he went with Buckner :confused: and The Kobe Stopper :confused: :confused: at SG
 
Tonight, in the third quarter of the SA/Dallas game, did anyone
notice the ref anticipate a call and end up messing up the whole
rhythm of the game at the time??

I'm telling y'all. They need to do something about this. The ref
blows his whistle and it sets off a whole chain of unecessary
events. And dumbass Reggie Miller is anticipating the exact
same call....Ridiculous moment
 
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