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What's the best fighting technique to learn for self defense?
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I agree with Donmega and Spiderman!
I've trained Boxing, Jeet Kune Do, BJJ and Kickboxing.
Its good to know something in all the ranges.
Just take something for a year, then take something else. Try an start with boxing for stand up, then BJJ for groundwork n quick submissions, muay thai for elbows, strong kicks, knees and very importantly clinching.
Good luck!
I've trained Boxing, Jeet Kune Do, BJJ and Kickboxing.
Its good to know something in all the ranges.
Just take something for a year, then take something else. Try an start with boxing for stand up, then BJJ for groundwork n quick submissions, muay thai for elbows, strong kicks, knees and very importantly clinching.
Good luck!
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A prison fighting and self defense system. If it works in prison (the most dangerous environments in the world)it can work anywhere.
All that Jui Jitsu and Kung Fu aint gone save your life in a real fight and in a real life or death situation..........
Sombody attacking me with a knife and I get in the hidden dragon crouching tiger stance? GTFOH
Some nigga break and my crib and I use my brazilian jiu shitshu to successfully dry hump him for several minutes before he blows my brains out?
Skull and Cross Bones
A prison fighting and self defense system. If it works in prison (the most dangerous environments in the world)it can work anywhere.
All that Jui Jitsu and Kung Fu aint gone save your life in a real fight and in a real life or death situation..........
Sombody attacking me with a knife and I get in the hidden dragon crouching tiger stance? GTFOH
Some nigga break and my crib and I use my brazilian jiu shitshu to successfully dry hump him for several minutes before he blows my brains out?
IMO... it's best to learn from an instructor who has knowledge of how real fights go down... and prepares you for them.
I don't know what kind of Krav Maga classes one of the posters witnessed on the first page... but Krava Maga with a REAL ex-Israeli special forces instructor is NO joke. You DO learn by DOING... meaning, you learn by actually getting HIT and KICKED and grappled on the ground... you go thru ALL the ranges and learn how to wield a knife, disarm, fight multiple people and get out...
like someone said... awareness is key...
Muay Thai is good... as well as Pekiti Tersia... Kenpo... Ninjutsu... BJJ... I would advise joining a gym that has several diff. styles being taught and you can choose which ones you want to learn simultaneously... just be careful and do your research... Reality Based Self Defense is NOT the same as sport karate or MMA.
I don't know what kind of Krav Maga classes one of the posters witnessed on the first page... but Krava Maga with a REAL ex-Israeli special forces instructor is NO joke. You DO learn by DOING... meaning, you learn by actually getting HIT and KICKED and grappled on the ground... you go thru ALL the ranges and learn how to wield a knife, disarm, fight multiple people and get out...
like someone said... awareness is key...
Muay Thai is good... as well as Pekiti Tersia... Kenpo... Ninjutsu... BJJ... I would advise joining a gym that has several diff. styles being taught and you can choose which ones you want to learn simultaneously... just be careful and do your research... Reality Based Self Defense is NOT the same as sport karate or MMA.
Krav Maga and Muay Thai are excellent. Also look at non-lethal weapons and lethal weapons, and get training. A confrontation usually starts with the hands. Use your hand skills to create distance, then access your weapons. If you want self defense don't look for a spiritual martial art . Also check out the Army training manuals http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-25-150/index.html
and Paladin Press for good reference material http://www.paladin-press.com/
and Paladin Press for good reference material http://www.paladin-press.com/
I also wanna note... try looking into Blauer Tactical Defense...
When all else fails...best technique is Run-Fu
From my studies I've found that decent Brazilian Jiu-jitsu training dominates most martial arts because once you close the distance most strikers are immediately handicapped. As has been noted before, most REAL fights end up on the ground.
Not true. Ju Jitsu refers to Japanse self defense moves like wrist locks and headlock defenses. You don't see any of that in MMA. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, on the other hand is a grappling art and you see a lot of it in MMA.
My point was on the THOUSANDS of fights available on You Tube you never see one where a guy pulls off a complicated wrist lock during a fight. That leads me to believe it just doesn't work in a real situation.
a street fight is different from the octagon. there are no rules in a street fight. real talk if a nigga puts me in an arm bar or fukin choke .. you think i'm gonna try an break the hold? or tap? i'm clawin at the nigga eyes, i'm bitin him and if i have the means i'm stabbin him. that is why mma is a sport. the ref and rules will only allow shit to go so far. Thai boxing, combat ninjutsu, JKD, are arts that are proven to work in street situations. as a matter of fact the FBI, Marines and special forces train their officers/soldiers in these arts.
now don't get me wrong... jujitsu and "bjj" are great forms of self defense.... but in street fight situations i don't think that it is practical. say you get attacked by more than 1 individual. you gonna roll around with one and get pounded (no mo) by the other(s)? or how about you fightin a real street fighter? a nigga that's been through the trenches. your best bet is to end the fight as quickly as possible, most likely with a strike that will level him, leave him incapacitated.
now don't get me wrong... jujitsu and "bjj" are great forms of self defense.... but in street fight situations i don't think that it is practical. say you get attacked by more than 1 individual. you gonna roll around with one and get pounded (no mo) by the other(s)? or how about you fightin a real street fighter? a nigga that's been through the trenches. your best bet is to end the fight as quickly as possible, most likely with a strike that will level him, leave him incapacitated.
dumbest shit ive read today
in a street fight, their arm is broke, or their choked to death
the refs saves niggas from injury or death
son... you gotta get the person in that position first. what if you cant get that lock or choke? what if you can't get in close enough to grapple? it's a street fight.yo i swear some you cats lack common fukkin sense. not everyone you face in the street is a fukkin punk or gang banger wanna be. there are some dudes that are a fukkin problem. real fukkin talk i don't give a fuk if you're royce gracie.. you aint gettin me in a position like that. it's a street fight there are all sorts of variables involved. there are no rules. life and death. i wish a nigga would try and choke me out. son would be leakin period.
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ive done boxing, karate, and wrestling...ive actually ended fights more with holds than anything...niggas faced with the concept of having a limb snapped, hyperextended, or dislocated are more likely to not want to fight afterwards lol
^ i agree with you. but the point i was tryin ta make is that all street fights are not the same. you where fortunate to be in the position to use your holds. Some situations won't allow it. all i was saying is that in a street fight there are different variables involved. you may face someone that can counter or stay away from the holds then what? you may face someone who got crazy hand skills and can keep you off of him. or you can face a nigga that is dirty as fuck.. lure you in and shank. shit is very unpredictable.
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This my style mixed with Pentjak Silat...
oh yeah i know about dirty fighters...some niggas just dont fight fair...i nearly got my eye ripped out by somebody after i got a grip on his windpipe and his other arm in an armlock..the other dude's free arm managed to claw me in the face and grip my eyeball.had i not grab that wrist in time to keep him from squeezing my eye would have been gone..thats why if i happen to find myself in a fight i try to strike in a sensitive area then lock in a hold
I love you "street" guys who think you're the only ones that are going to bite somebody in a fight....
What makes you think the BJJ fighter can't claw at YOUR eyes or bite YOU? At least the BJJ fighter will know how to get you into a position to control you before he attempts to bite you or poke out your eyes.
For the original poster... first you have to ask yourself what you hope to gain? Were you mugged and want to focus specifically on pure self defense? Do you just want to improve your conditioning? Do you feel comfortable on your feet but helpless if someone grabs you up? Do you want to be able to maybe do some competing, say in a local tournament or a few matches, etc? And most importantly, where do you live?
Krav Maga is designed for pure self defense. If you want to train for a gun, knife, multiple attacker scenario, where looking pretty isn't important but escaping alive is, then this may be your way to go.
Boxing is by far the most effective punching art out there. A trained boxer has good footwork, and will lay to waste most untrained wild hook throwing ninjas on the street.
Muay Thai generally isn't as good when it comes to pure punching, but adds kicks, elbows, knees, and also teaches you how to fight when you clinch. Boxing largely ignores that. A lot of Thai boxing schools now will also work on boxing technique, making you a more well rounded fighter.
Kyokushin Karate (and the styles that have descended out of it) is also a very effective striking art. The only real knock I have against them is that they don't practice punching to the face. They do add in some more self defense type of scenarios, and they believe in full contact sparring.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. The most effective single style of one on one unarmed combat out there. Most schools cover take downs, take down defense, and some limited self defense too. Real fights prove that it is incredibly hard to stop someone from forcing a clinch, and from getting the fight to the ground. Most ninja's are completely lost on the ground. Fighting a bjj guy on the ground is like swimming with a shark. Unfortunately, fighting him standing up is also like boxing a shark most of the time.
You have to find out what schools are near by you. Don't go to a mcdojo place. Go to the best instructors. Try out one free class at all of the places, and see what style feels the best. Some schools will offer classes in more than one style, which may be your best bet.
Krav Maga is designed for pure self defense. If you want to train for a gun, knife, multiple attacker scenario, where looking pretty isn't important but escaping alive is, then this may be your way to go.
Boxing is by far the most effective punching art out there. A trained boxer has good footwork, and will lay to waste most untrained wild hook throwing ninjas on the street.
Muay Thai generally isn't as good when it comes to pure punching, but adds kicks, elbows, knees, and also teaches you how to fight when you clinch. Boxing largely ignores that. A lot of Thai boxing schools now will also work on boxing technique, making you a more well rounded fighter.
Kyokushin Karate (and the styles that have descended out of it) is also a very effective striking art. The only real knock I have against them is that they don't practice punching to the face. They do add in some more self defense type of scenarios, and they believe in full contact sparring.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. The most effective single style of one on one unarmed combat out there. Most schools cover take downs, take down defense, and some limited self defense too. Real fights prove that it is incredibly hard to stop someone from forcing a clinch, and from getting the fight to the ground. Most ninja's are completely lost on the ground. Fighting a bjj guy on the ground is like swimming with a shark. Unfortunately, fighting him standing up is also like boxing a shark most of the time.
You have to find out what schools are near by you. Don't go to a mcdojo place. Go to the best instructors. Try out one free class at all of the places, and see what style feels the best. Some schools will offer classes in more than one style, which may be your best bet.
I love David James and his art is my favorite of the "Japanese Ju Jitsu" style martial arts, but I really don't think its as effective as simple Boxing. But he is one of my all time favorite marital artists. I have had the honor of taking class with him a couple of times and he's a great instructor.
first of all you missed the point of my post. i was just pointing out that bjj is a good defense art but only in certain situations. and homie... i aint no "street" dude.
see that's what i'm talkin about. i was giving scenarios and these bjj dudes get all tight in the ass.
i'm glad you made it out of that situation unscathed. anyway i stand by what i said. bjj and jj are great form of defense but only in certain situations.OK... Here is the thing about using these 'holds' you guys talk about. When you apply a joint lock to a standing opponent as a means of control, he still has any number of very effective ways to counter it. One of which is just brute force aggression. In class they stop when you get the hold, as if that's the end. In the real world, you have to break his arm the instant he does not comply. And, then be ready to continue aggressively fighting against a pissed off man with a broken arm. In bjj, if you do not have the submission locked in, you keep going until your guy either escapes or realizes that he can't stop from getting his arm broken, and taps. That way you know w/o a doubt that the move will work.
In bjj, they teach you to gain a dominant position. Position is the most important aspect of ground fighting. If I am able to get on top of you and you don't know how to escape the mount, I don't care how much you try to eye gouge me. And if anything, I am in a better position to pull your eyes out.
Your argument about a knife works against any self defense system mentioned here. It is not a unique failing of bjj.
In bjj, they teach you to gain a dominant position. Position is the most important aspect of ground fighting. If I am able to get on top of you and you don't know how to escape the mount, I don't care how much you try to eye gouge me. And if anything, I am in a better position to pull your eyes out.
Your argument about a knife works against any self defense system mentioned here. It is not a unique failing of bjj.
Lesson 1: avoid getting in a fight. if that doesn't work...
Lesson 2: Learn to fight dirty. No such thing as a fair fight. Learn a few pressure points and it'll end quickly.
Self-Defense Nerve Centers & Pressure Points for Karate, Jujitsu and Atemi-Waza - Bruce Tegner
Thor Publishing Company ISBN 0874070295 1978 PDF 107 Pages 2MB
"Self defense nerve centers and pressure points is a practical guide to the most efficient use of weaponless self defense using the least possible force."
http://rapidshare.com/files/119106811/Self-Defense_Nerve_Centers_-_Bruce_Tegner.rar
Found it here a while ago:
http://mexican-taint.blogspot.com/
Lesson 2: Learn to fight dirty. No such thing as a fair fight. Learn a few pressure points and it'll end quickly.
Self-Defense Nerve Centers & Pressure Points for Karate, Jujitsu and Atemi-Waza - Bruce Tegner
Thor Publishing Company ISBN 0874070295 1978 PDF 107 Pages 2MB
"Self defense nerve centers and pressure points is a practical guide to the most efficient use of weaponless self defense using the least possible force."
http://rapidshare.com/files/119106811/Self-Defense_Nerve_Centers_-_Bruce_Tegner.rar
Found it here a while ago:
http://mexican-taint.blogspot.com/
Why not? It's good exercise, and you DO learn something (although according to the posters here, not much) about self-defense...hell, if I can find it in my area, I might try this Israeli Special Forces shit my damn self...
I LIKE
Muay Thai I WANNA CHECK
Krav Maga
BUT
YO REAL TALK I WANNA BE A NINJA...
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Muay Thai is what I've used in countless fights real and in the ring. It's just so devestating. Most people can't survive the first vicious 2-3 elbows.
BUT from experience, almost every street fight, eventually goes to the ground, say what you want to say about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. If you're not in control on the ground, that short fight feels like an eternity.
These 2 have been part of my arsenal for the last 12 years, never failed me in real life situation.
Krav Maga is effective also, but after a while of fighting, it all boils down to the same primal techniques of fighting. They're not much different.
BUT from experience, almost every street fight, eventually goes to the ground, say what you want to say about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. If you're not in control on the ground, that short fight feels like an eternity.
These 2 have been part of my arsenal for the last 12 years, never failed me in real life situation.
Krav Maga is effective also, but after a while of fighting, it all boils down to the same primal techniques of fighting. They're not much different.
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