What the Mayan Elders are Saying About 2012

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What the Mayan Elders are Saying About 2012 by Carlos Barrios

Carlos Barrios, Mayan elder and Ajq'ij (is a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide) of the Eagle Clan. Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars circulating. Carlos along with his brother Gerardo studied with many teachers and interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.

Carlos found out quickly there were several conflicting interpretations of Mayan hieroglyphs, petroglyphs, Sacred Books of 'Chilam Balam' and various ancient text. Carlos found some strong words for those who may have contributed to the confusion:

Carlos Barrios: "Anthropologists visit the temple sites and read the inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination. Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed."

"We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth Changes."

He continues: "Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human. We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action."

Carlos tells us: "The indigenous have the calendars and know how to accurately interpret it -- not others. The Mayan Calendars comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya understand 17 different calendars such as the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij, some of them charting time accurately over a span of more than ten million years.


"All was predicted by the mathematical cycles of the Mayan calendars. -- It will change --everything will change. Mayan Day-keepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator and the Earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy."

At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered in all the world's spiritual traditions.

Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the Earth, cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration. Carlos reminds us: "This process has already begun. Change is accelerating now and it will continue to accelerate.

If the people of the Earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape without having destroyed too much of the Earth, we will rise to a new, higher level. But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way."

The date specified in the calendar Winter Solstice in the year 2012 does not mark the end of the world. Many outside people writing about the Mayan calendar sensationalize this date, but they do not know. The ones who know are the indigenous elders who are entrusted with keeping the tradition.

Carlos tells us: "The economy now is a fiction. The first five-year stretch of transition from August 1987 to August 1992 was the beginning of the destruction of the material world. We have progressed ten years deeper into the transition phase by now, and many of the so-called sources of financial stability are in fact hollow. The banks are weak. This is a delicate moment for them. They could crash globally, if we don't pay attention. Now, people are paying attention."

The North and South Poles are both breaking up. The level of the water in the oceans is going to rise. But at the same time land in the ocean, especially near Cuba, is also going to rise. Carlos tells a story about the most recent Mayan New Year ceremonies in Guatemala. He said that one respected Mam elder, who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to Chichicastenango to speak with the people at the ceremony. The elder delivered a simple, direct message. He called for human beings to come together in support of life and light.

"Right now each person and group is going his or her own way. The elder of the mountains said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way. We live in a world of polarity -- day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance."
"Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012."

"On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group's understandings, are the key. There's a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus."

Carlos believes the dark side works to block unity through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change. They do not want unity. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of the next level.

The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It's too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to unity, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.

Carlos said the emerging era of the Fifth Sun will call attention to a much-overlooked element. Whereas the four traditional elements of Earth, Air, Fire and Water have dominated various epochs in the past, there will be a fifth element to reckon with in the time of the Fifth Sun --- that element is 'ETHER'.

The dictionary defines Ether as a "hypothetical substance supposed to occupy all space, postulated to account for the propagation of electromagnetic radiation through space." Perhaps it could be defined as the "space between space". I would suggest it could be manifest as the alignment of charged particles from our solar system (Sun), and our galaxy (Milky Way) surge. The Ether element represents spiritual energy.

"The element of the Fifth Sun is celestial. Within the context of Ether there can be a joining of the polarities. No more darkness or light in the people, but an uplifted unity. But right now the realm of darkness is not interested in this. They are organized to block it. They seek to unbalance the Earth and its environment so we will be unready for the alignment in 2012."

"We need to work together for peace, and balance with the other side. We need to take care of the Earth that feeds and shelters us. We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and unity now, to confront the other side and preserve life."
"We are disturbed -- we can't play anymore. Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action. Everyone is needed. You are not here for no reason. Everyone who is here now has an important purpose. This is a hard but a special time. We have the opportunity for growth, but we must be ready for this moment in history."

Carlos says: "The prophesied changes are going to happen, but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are. We need to act, to make changes, and to elect people to represent us who understand and who will take political action to respect the Earth."

"Meditation and spiritual practice are good, but also action. It's very important to be clear about who you are, and also about your relation to the Earth. Develop yourself according to your own tradition and the call of your heart. But remember to respect differences, and strive for unity. Eat wisely --- a lot of food is corrupt in either subtle or gross ways. Pay attention to what you are taking into your body. Learn to preserve food, and to conserve energy. Learn some good breathing techniques, so you have mastery of your breath. Be clear. Follow a tradition with great roots. It is not important what tradition, your heart will tell you, but it must have great roots."

"We live in a world of energy. An important task at this time is to learn to sense or see the energy of everyone and everything -- people, plants, animals. This becomes increasingly important as we draw close to the World of the Fifth Sun, for it is associated with the element 'ether' -- the realm where energy lives and weaves. Go to the sacred places of the Earth to pray for peace, and have respect for the Earth which gives us our food, clothing, and shelter. We need to reactivate the energy of these sacred places. That is our work."

"One simple but effective prayer technique is to light white or baby-blue colored candles. Think of a moment in peace. Speak your intention to the flame and send the light of it on to the leaders who have the power to make war or peace."
Carlos reminds us this is a crucially important moment for humanity and for Earth. Each person is important.

He said the elders have opened the doors so that other races can come to the Mayan world to receive the tradition. "The Maya have long appreciated and respected that there are other colors, other races, and other spiritual systems. They know that the destiny of the Mayan world is related to the destiny of the whole world."

"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way."
 
Welcome to my world. During the ride you will be faced with "impossible" odds, but don't despair, it is an illusion. You are striving with yourself for mastery over the body which represents the material world.
 
^^^^^ See this nigga knows what the fuck time it is.


Transformation is what is needed badly and im not sure what it will consist of
but i'm sure everyone could stand a real change and its hard to imagine shit
getting worse than what we have to deal with under rule. Im not talking about
personal situations cause some win and some lose but overall fucking kids
shouldnt be dying of starvation with people on some oh well better them than
me type shit. Id be hopeful for some shit to change in the universe before I
would with these wicked devilish mothafuckas on this earth running things.

Those running things are satisfied and use the word change as lip service.
 
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"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way."

:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:
 
i am familiar with this info..and i do understand..i would like to read more..but i believe i know where he is coming from..with that being said..we have to take that first step..well i have to take that first step(each individual)

 
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What the Mayan Elders are Saying About 2012 by Carlos Barrios
Be clear. Follow a tradition with great roots. It is not important what tradition, your heart will tell you, but it must have great roots."



Sleep on African traditional religion if you want.

The world will have to come back to the root!!!!



EXAMPLE
Ubuntu:



One of the sayings in our country is Ubuntu – the essence of being human.
Ubuntu speaks particularly about the fact that you can't exist as a human being in isolation. It speaks about our interconnectedness. You can't be human all by yourself, and when you have this quality – Ubuntu – you are known for your generosity.

We think of ourselves far too frequently as just individuals, separated from one another, whereas you are connected and what you do affects the whole World. When you do well, it spreads out; it is for the whole of humanity.

Zimbabwe

In the Shona language, the majority spoken language in Zimbabwe after English, ubuntu is unhu. The concept of ubuntu is viewed the same in Zimbabwe as in other African cultures, and the Zulu saying is also common in Shona: munhu munhu nekuda kwevanhu.
Stanlake J. W. T. Samkange (1980) highlights the three maxims of Hunhuism or Ubuntuism that shape this philosophy: The first maxim asserts that 'To be human is to affirm one's humanity by recognizing the humanity of others and, on that basis, establish respectful human relations with them.' And 'the second maxim means that if and when one is faced with a decisive choice between wealth and the preservation of the life of another human being, then one should opt for the preservation of life'. The third 'maxim' as a 'principle deeply embedded in traditional African political philosophy' says 'that the king owed his status, including all the powers associated with it, to the will of the people under him'.

Botswana

In the Tswana language the same concept exists. It is called botho, and the phrase that a person is a person through other people translates to motho ke motho ka batho. Botho is one of Botswana's five national principles (the others being Democracy, Development, Self Reliance and Unity). Botswana's Vision 2016 states: Botho defines a process for earning respect by first giving it, and to gain empowerment by empowering others. It encourages people to applaud rather than resent those who succeed. It disapproves of anti-social, disgraceful, inhuman and criminal behaviour, and encourages social justice for all.


Rwanda and Burundi

In Rwanda-Rundi, the national language of Rwanda and Burundi, ubuntu means, among other things, 'human generosity' as well as humanity (as above). In Rwanda and Burundi society it is common for people to exhort or appeal to others to "gira ubuntu" meaning to "have consideration and be humane" towards others; thus it has the extended meanings of 'generosity' and 'free, given at no cost'. It also has the general meaning of "human's essence", which also include the other meanings of the word, as it will be said of a person who shows no mercy nor consideration to others that he is an animal ( igikoko, inyamaswa)

Uganda and Tanzania

In Kitara, a dialect cluster spoken by the Nyankore, Nyoro, Tooro, and Kiga of western Uganda and also the Haya, Nyambo and others of northern Tanzania, obuntu refers to the human characteristics of generosity, consideration and humane-ness towards others in the community. In Luganda, the language of central Uganda, obuntu bulamu means being humane, showing kindness and refers to the same characteristics.


Western cultures

The concept of ubuntu traditionally runs counter to the creed of individualism of Western and US society.



In October 2004 Mark Shuttleworth, a South African entrepreneur and owner of UK based company Canonical Ltd., founded the Ubuntu Foundation that is the company behind the creation of a computer operating system based on Debian GNU/Linux. He named the Linux distribution Ubuntu.



:cool:
 
^^^ please actually listen to what he says this "debunking" has already been broken down... they guy is an entertainer imo

at 4:03 he says "the mayans never said the world would end" and then at 4:31 he goes on to say they got the "beginning of the world wrong so we shouldn't believe they could get the end of the world right...."

Now read the article and see how this video has little to nothing to do with this thread

peace
 
Considering the world existed for over 4 billion years before there was a thing as a homo sapien, considering that if you measured the age of the Earth as a day, the Earth would form at 12:01 AM and humans wouldn't have come upon the earth until a tenth of a second before midnight, considering that five times before most of the life on the Earth has been wiped out but came back, I'm just going to chalk this up to bullshit.


2012 will come and go just like 2011 and 2010 before them. We're not special, the Earth isn't special, there's no special essence hidden in the rocks.

The Mayans knew so much but then allowed themselves to go extinct. :hmm:
 
Them cats saw everything except....


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Just saying...Good read though.

*two cents*
 
Considering the world existed for over 4 billion years before there was a thing as a homo sapien, considering that if you measured the age of the Earth as a day, the Earth would form at 12:01 AM and humans wouldn't have come upon the earth until a tenth of a second before midnight, considering that five times before most of the life on the Earth has been wiped out but came back, I'm just going to chalk this up to bullshit.


2012 will come and go just like 2011 and 2010 before them. We're not special, the Earth isn't special, there's no special essence hidden in the rocks.

The Mayans knew so much but then allowed themselves to go extinct. :hmm:

you didn't read the article :hmm:
 
I don't buy it 100% ... like climate change I don't buy that 100% but a lot of it seems to have SOME merit... but these skeptics are lazy and have a bunch oof weak arguments... that's why I'm actually replying here... I wish someone said something LOGICAL against this being possible as it has been presented....

Them cats saw everything except....

Just saying...Good read though.

*two cents*
1. This 2012 prophecy is a prophecy about EARTH ... not mayan people
2. There were Native American prophecies about "strange ships and pale people with advanced technology" [sound familiar] unfortunately they thought those people were supposed to be gods... so they eagerly helped them... in the beginning

Considering the world existed for over 4 billion years before there was a thing as a homo sapien, considering that if you measured the age of the Earth as a day, the Earth would form at 12:01 AM and humans wouldn't have come upon the earth until a tenth of a second before midnight, considering that five times before most of the life on the Earth has been wiped out but came back, I'm just going to chalk this up to bullshit.


2012 will come and go just like 2011 and 2010 before them. We're not special, the Earth isn't special, there's no special essence hidden in the rocks.

The Mayans knew so much but then allowed themselves to go extinct. :hmm:

:confused:
 
1. This 2012 prophecy is a prophecy about EARTH ... not mayan people
2. There were Native American prophecies about "strange ships and pale people with advanced technology" [sound familiar] unfortunately they thought those people were supposed to be gods... so they eagerly helped them... in the beginning


I didn't go in on the article fam actually I thought it was a interesting read:)....HOWEVER THEM CONQUISTADORS GOT IN THAT ASS PARTLY BASED ON WHAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED. THEY. DID. NOT. SEE. THAT. COMING. DID. THEY. You cant even deny that:hmm:.

Put the machine gun away fam, you causing friendly fire on this one.

Them acting like this....
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Left them open for this...

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I'm just saying.....:D

*two cents*
 
Sleep on African traditional religion if you want.

The world will have to come back to the root!!!!



EXAMPLE
Ubuntu:



One of the sayings in our country is Ubuntu – the essence of being human.
Ubuntu speaks particularly about the fact that you can't exist as a human being in isolation. It speaks about our interconnectedness. You can't be human all by yourself, and when you have this quality – Ubuntu – you are known for your generosity.

We think of ourselves far too frequently as just individuals, separated from one another, whereas you are connected and what you do affects the whole World. When you do well, it spreads out; it is for the whole of humanity.

Zimbabwe

In the Shona language, the majority spoken language in Zimbabwe after English, ubuntu is unhu. The concept of ubuntu is viewed the same in Zimbabwe as in other African cultures, and the Zulu saying is also common in Shona: munhu munhu nekuda kwevanhu.
Stanlake J. W. T. Samkange (1980) highlights the three maxims of Hunhuism or Ubuntuism that shape this philosophy: The first maxim asserts that 'To be human is to affirm one's humanity by recognizing the humanity of others and, on that basis, establish respectful human relations with them.' And 'the second maxim means that if and when one is faced with a decisive choice between wealth and the preservation of the life of another human being, then one should opt for the preservation of life'. The third 'maxim' as a 'principle deeply embedded in traditional African political philosophy' says 'that the king owed his status, including all the powers associated with it, to the will of the people under him'.

Botswana

In the Tswana language the same concept exists. It is called botho, and the phrase that a person is a person through other people translates to motho ke motho ka batho. Botho is one of Botswana's five national principles (the others being Democracy, Development, Self Reliance and Unity). Botswana's Vision 2016 states: Botho defines a process for earning respect by first giving it, and to gain empowerment by empowering others. It encourages people to applaud rather than resent those who succeed. It disapproves of anti-social, disgraceful, inhuman and criminal behaviour, and encourages social justice for all.


Rwanda and Burundi

In Rwanda-Rundi, the national language of Rwanda and Burundi, ubuntu means, among other things, 'human generosity' as well as humanity (as above). In Rwanda and Burundi society it is common for people to exhort or appeal to others to "gira ubuntu" meaning to "have consideration and be humane" towards others; thus it has the extended meanings of 'generosity' and 'free, given at no cost'. It also has the general meaning of "human's essence", which also include the other meanings of the word, as it will be said of a person who shows no mercy nor consideration to others that he is an animal ( igikoko, inyamaswa)

Uganda and Tanzania

In Kitara, a dialect cluster spoken by the Nyankore, Nyoro, Tooro, and Kiga of western Uganda and also the Haya, Nyambo and others of northern Tanzania, obuntu refers to the human characteristics of generosity, consideration and humane-ness towards others in the community. In Luganda, the language of central Uganda, obuntu bulamu means being humane, showing kindness and refers to the same characteristics.


Western cultures

The concept of ubuntu traditionally runs counter to the creed of individualism of Western and US society.



In October 2004 Mark Shuttleworth, a South African entrepreneur and owner of UK based company Canonical Ltd., founded the Ubuntu Foundation that is the company behind the creation of a computer operating system based on Debian GNU/Linux. He named the Linux distribution Ubuntu.



:cool:

Is there a good book that you would recommend on African Traditional Religion?
 

He said the elders have opened the doors so that other races can come to the Mayan world to receive the tradition. "The Maya have long appreciated and respected that there are other colors, other races, and other spiritual systems. They know that the destiny of the Mayan world is related to the destiny of the whole world."

"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way."


Yeah, right......





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I didn't go in on the article fam actually I thought it was a interesting read:)....HOWEVER THEM CONQUISTADORS GOT IN THAT ASS PARTLY BASED ON WHAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED. THEY. DID. NOT. SEE. THAT. COMING. DID. THEY. You cant even deny that:hmm:.

Put the machine gun away fam, you causing friendly fire on this one.

*two cents*
no machine gun here homie I come in peace... you aren't following the discussion tho... the prophecy is not based on the mayan fate... but the fate of EARTH... is that resonating with you or not???

Besides.... Being prophetic doesn't equal being omniscient...

the Mayans are still around bro. go to Guatemala, Belize, southern Mexico. yes there's plenty of mayans there today.

:eek: I thought the "mayan elders" quoted in the article were speaking from the grave :rolleyes:
fam these dudes ain't even thinkin ... just repeating things they heard smh


Yeah, right......



did you just use Mel Gibson's Apocolypto as a historical reference?

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