What Is Behind The Republican Pathologic Hatred For Hillary

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Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

Personally, I am not a Hillary supporter per say. Politically, 20 years ago, her views would be considered as a moderate republican. I hear so much vitriol on the GOP fed media about how she is the second coming of Satan. Republicans, state SPECIFICALLY what you don’t like about her. I’m not talking about how she styles her hair or other superficial things. I’m asking about what about her politics bothers you.
 
The republicans are very adept are manipulating the national conversation. I recently called a local Black conservative radio talk show, or should I say the only Black conservative radio talk show in Atlanta. Shelly Wynter who’s afternoon AM drive time spot’s purpose is to try and get as many Black listeners to at least question everything Democratic, while at the same time justify anything Republican.

The host was on his daily rant to disparage Black people, particularly southern Black folk. This time lambasting those that have not already committed to overtly supporting Barack Obama. Wynter claims to be a staunch right wing, card carrying, red meat republican, yet he is supporting Obama, even though on many occasions he has said Obama and Hillary are socialists. His hot button issue, like most of today’s republicans is the discrediting of the Clintons. Several callers had questioned his sincerity of support for Obama. Why would a self proclaimed Black right wing republican (in fact he calls his show “The Right Side”) support a candidate that he has labeled as liberal for the democratic nomination for president of the United States? One caller asked him “why do you hate Hillary?” He answered back, in the typical confrontational fast talking right wing talk show host fashion as he stammered for a quick answer, "she would give away our secrets.” He never said what secrets. At that point I decided to make my first call to his show to follow up on that question. About 30 minutes later I called the station and asked him what he meant by “secrets”. Again he quickly stammered for an answer to my question and blurted out, “they would give our nuclear secrets to India.” I said the Bush administration has recently committed to giving India American nuclear energy technology against the congress’s wishes. He said that “India got the Atomic bomb technology from the United States under the Clinton administration”. I corrected him and said that India had developed their Atomic bomb technology using Soviet technology in the 1970s in response to the United State’s support of Pakistan, India’s historic enemy. He continued to argue inaccurate information, which he clearly realized that he was not sure of his facts. When he could no longer bluff his way out of the argument and talking became futile, he quickly said, “we lost him”. I said I was still there and the line was cut. I turn the radio back up, as I did not want to become confused with the 10 second delay radio stations use and caught the last few seconds of my conversation with him. I heard, “his gone, just like those liberals running away when they can’t make their point.” I was flabbergasted! I just got manipulated! Incredulous, I thought I was going call the radio station again to find out what that was all about. I got thru to the screener and asked if he was an intern, he asked, why? I said because sometimes interns are partisans for the talk show host. I told him that his radio station had lost any semblance of credibility, as they claim to be serving the community and he said hold on. I hung up. I understand an individual’s partisanship if their world view is formed though debate and logic. But when you stifle the debate with wanton ignorance, then my respect for your point of view ends right there! Though all of this, I still hadn’t gotten an answer why republicans hate Hillary. Please, republicans, why do you hate Hillary. I am beginning to think you don’t have reason of your own and you get plugged up to the RNC thought machine every morning and get uploaded with GOP marching orders.
 
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I'm not a republican so I won't try to speak for them. I am a conservative though and I don't like the idea of a Bush/Clinton monarchy in the White House. Her views could be seen as elitist/socialist if you ask me I don't think she has the character or statue to be commander in chief. If anything she will just give her husband a second chance to finish what he started in his presidency. More unfair trade agreements, more hidden taxes like the ones on phone, cable, cigarettes and food bills.
 
I'm not a republican so I won't try to speak for them. I am a conservative though and I don't like the idea of a Bush/Clinton monarchy in the White House. Her views could be seen as elitist/socialist if you ask me I don't think she has the character or statue to be commander in chief. If anything she will just give her husband a second chance to finish what he started in his presidency. More unfair trade agreements, more hidden taxes like the ones on phone, cable, cigarettes and food bills.

So what economic policies that Hillary believes in are different than Obama’s? Do you think Obama is going to roll back WTO and NAFTA. Do you think Obama’s health care plans are drastically different from Hillary’s?
 
Re: Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

Personally, I am not a Hillary supporter per say. Politically, 20 years ago, her views would be considered as a moderate republican. I hear so much vitriol on the GOP fed media about how she is the second coming of Satan. Republicans, state SPECIFICALLY what you don’t like about her. I’m not talking about how she styles her hair or other superficial things. I’m asking about what about her politics bothers you.

I don't like the raising of the tax.
I don't like the mandatory health care.
I don't like her going back and forth on the war issue (It's not all Bush's fault. They all approved it. She voted for it based on the same faulty Bush had, that was also the same faulty info from even her husbands presidency).


I do like the fact that she is genuinely going out looking for solutions to issues though.
 
She's married to a sexual predator. The 2nd man to be impeached. He wasn't impeached for high crimes and treason, he was impeached for banging a 19 year old intern in the Oval Office. Are we suppose to believe she stayed with him because she loves him and wanted to keep her family together? Or did she stay with him to further her own political ambitions? If she did it means she doesn't care what a home-life like that did to her child, or what message it sends to women stuck in abusive relationships, all it means is she cares about herself. Would you want someone like that as your president. If she's so gullible to stay with a guy Like Bill Clinton how can we trust her to lead with a clear head. OBL would have her bent over a desk, her dress around her waist, panties down to her ankles, fucking the shit outta her in 30 minutes.
 
Why aren’t the Black republicans supporting Alan Keyes? He is definitely Black, republican and conservative. My take is that they want the democrats to have a candidate that they think they can have the best chance of defeating in 2008. There is at least 20% of the white electorate that will not, under any circumstances vote for a Black person, and there is the white vote that claim that they will vote for a Black candidate and at the last minute, not vote for them (the so called Tom Bradley Effect). Black republicans are loyal to their massa to a fault, and will help them get republicans in to office by hook or crook!


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She's married to a sexual predator. The 2nd man to be impeached. He wasn't impeached for high crimes and treason, he was impeached for banging a 19 year old intern in the Oval Office. Are we suppose to believe she stayed with him because she loves him and wanted to keep her family together? Or did she stay with him to further her own political ambitions? If she did it means she doesn't care what a home-life like that did to her child, or what message it sends to women stuck in abusive relationships, all it means is she cares about herself. Would you want someone like that as your president. If she's so gullible to stay with a guy Like Bill Clinton how can we trust her to lead with a clear head. OBL would have her bent over a desk, her dress around her waist, panties down to her ankles, fucking the shit outta her in 30 minutes.

Hillary didn't prey on anyone sexually. In she was a victim. How is she responsible for her husband’s behavior? Don't the republicans say women should support their husband, family values? No republican has advocated those republican congressman perverts to leave their wives. If you are so high in pointing out morality, how about lying. Weapons of mass destruction, where are they, why the war? Iran stopped their weapons program years ago and Bush continued to say they were building a nuclear bomb. Shouldn’t ou republicans be pushing impeachment for lying? Did he rape Monica, was she over 18?
 
Re: Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

I don't like the raising of the tax.
I don't like the mandatory health care.
I don't like her going back and forth on the war issue (It's not all Bush's fault. They all approved it. She voted for it based on the same faulty Bush had, that was also the same faulty info from even her husbands presidency).


I do like the fact that she is genuinely going out looking for solutions to issues though.

According to republicans, Hillary and Obama are both socialists. In fact Hillary is more conservative than Obama. Her economic policies are more toward the republican than democrat. So again, be honest, and factual, why the venom for Hillary?
 
Hillary didn't prey on anyone sexually. In she was a victim. How is she responsible for her husband’s behavior? Don't the republicans say women should support their husband, family values? No republican has advocated those republican congressman perverts to leave their wives. If you are so high in pointing out morality, how about lying. Weapons of mass destruction, where are they, why the war? Iran stopped their weapons program years ago and Bush continued to say they were building a nuclear bomb. Shouldn’t ou republicans be pushing impeachment for lying? Did he rape Monica, was she over 18?


Didn't you read the part where I said I am not a republican? I said I don't think she has the character or stature to be in the Oval Office. I stand behind my assertion. Anyone who stays with a guy like Bill Clinton shouldn't be president of the United States of America.
 
Didn't you read the part where I said I am not a republican? I said I don't think she has the character or stature to be in the Oval Office. I stand behind my assertion. Anyone who stays with a guy like Bill Clinton shouldn't be president of the United States of America.


So what are you an independent leaning right? So the hatred is for Bill. You should probably exhale, history will be kinder to him rather than GW, morally and otherwise.
 
The one thing about Bill Clinton that I never got is why some hate the man because he got caught doing something damn near every swinging dick on this board digs, married or not.

What is it? - because it happened in the White House, because he was a married man, because he got caught, because he lied about it? What?

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My problem is with Hillary Clinton. I don't think she's up to the job of leading the U.S. in the 21st century. And I wouldn't be so quick to say history will be kinder to Bill Clinton than G. W. Bush. One president faced the problems confronting us head on the other only gave them lip service.
 
Re: Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

According to republicans, Hillary and Obama are both socialists. In fact Hillary is more conservative than Obama. Her economic policies are more toward the republican than democrat. So again, be honest, and factual, why the venom for Hillary?

Her health care initiative during her husbands presidency was seen as socialist (like) and insurance agenda she is pushing is also viewed that way.

I am not getting what you are fishing for after that because asking why they don't like Hilary and saying that she is more of a Republican than Obama doesn't mean opponents shouldn't dissect them to garner a larger share of votes. If it wasn't for the Republican's Obama's numbers wouldn't be that high and Hillary would still be unchallenged.

By the way if left with the choice to vote for Hillary as opposed to Obama I believe the Republicans would vote for Hillary over Obama.

I already stated my views in other posts why I am not voting for Obama and would vote for Hillary over him.
 
Re: Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

I already stated my views in other posts why I am not voting for Obama and would vote for Hillary over him.
Which posts are those? I'd like to read them and, perhaps, post some of them in this thread.

QueEx
 
The one thing about Bill Clinton that I never got is why some hate the man because he got caught doing something damn near every swinging dick on this board digs, married or not.

What is it? - because it happened in the White House, because he was a married man, because he got caught, because he lied about it? What?

QueEx

Remember, a Libertarian is a republican that want’s to get laid and smoke dope!

The republicans thought that they were going to be in power for 50 years. The emerging right of the late 1970s found an image in Reagan that would carry them though eight years in office. The weakness of the message of the democrats in Dukakis allowed the first Bush to become elected. Bill Clinton actually stole the play book from the republicans and found out how to BS the public in politics. They hate him for that. Republicans feel that Hillary will try and get even for the political vitriol she and Bill got when he was in office. The republicans are that paranoid. Remember Nixon’s paranoia? They feel she will have even more power with an anticipated democratic congress and senate with big majorities. There is a lot of dirt that the GOP has amassed over the last 25 years or so that is under lock and key and can only be opened by a president. Like Iran Contra, the relationship we had with Saddam in the 1980s, the savings and loan bale out that we have never really pay off (welfare for the rich), to name just a few. Why else would they hire a special prosecutor, waste $60 millions investigating a land deal that the Clinton's LOST money on and finally come up with a sexually affair between a 50 something year old man and a 19 year old women. They are scared shitless!
 
Re: Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

Which posts are those? I'd like to read them and, perhaps, post some of them in this thread.

QueEx

This thread is about why Republicans hate Hillary QueEx.

I actually think hate is a strong word. I don't believe they take it that far as Democrats feel about George Bush. I have been around people who have so much hatred for Bush that if Bush came around where they were at that time they would beat the pulp out of him. I don't hear any Republicans speak with that kind of hatred of any Democrats
 
She's married to a sexual predator. The 2nd man to be impeached. He wasn't impeached for high crimes and treason, he was impeached for banging a 19 year old intern in the Oval Office. Are we suppose to believe she stayed with him because she loves him and wanted to keep her family together? Or did she stay with him to further her own political ambitions? If she did it means she doesn't care what a home-life like that did to her child, or what message it sends to women stuck in abusive relationships, all it means is she cares about herself. Would you want someone like that as your president. If she's so gullible to stay with a guy Like Bill Clinton how can we trust her to lead with a clear head. OBL would have her bent over a desk, her dress around her waist, panties down to her ankles, fucking the shit outta her in 30 minutes.



Nittte :D :D LOL……..once we get past your humor, I’ll assume your comments are just satire…….because certainly you know that powerful, financially secure Alpha males, regardless of race, all deal with women in multi-faceted variations of what Bill was doing to Monica.

I worked at Goldman Sachs for 12 years as a derivative trader, in the midst of wealthy Alpha males; myself included. With only the rare, rare, rare exception we all had plentiful gratuitous sexual relations with a steady stream of willing and able women….. (or men if you were a fag). Washington DC is no different from Wall Street or Hollywood or Houston or London or Tokyo or Paris or Moscow or Dubai etc. etc.

It is still almost totally A MAN'S WORLD!!!!!!!!!

Affluent Alpha males have sex with women who aren’t their wives or steady-girlfriends. That’s the reality - period.
Women like Hillary- particularly women like Hillary, affluent, Yale educated and the member of numerous fortune 1000 company boards before she became first-lady, know ‘this deal’.

It may be 2007 but ‘this deal’ is the same deal Jackie Kennedy dealt with as Jack Kennedy was downstairs in the White House swimming pool fucking movie star Marilyn Monroe and many others.

Feminism has not changed ‘this deal’ only mitigated it. If a woman marries Donald Trump or Russell Simmons or Baby Face she knows ‘this deal’. I’m not making any moral judgement. That’s just the way it is. I speak from actual experience not speculation.

The chairman of my former employer Goldman Sachs will take home a yearly bonus next week larger than $70. Million dollars. When I was there the chairmans Ron Rubin and Jon Corzine got a yearly bonuses between 35 -50 million dollars. Guys at my level got 4 to 7 million. Now they get 7 to 12.
As an eye witness I can tell you that the 20 year married, baldest, fattest, shortest bankers had “kept women” living in $5,000 a month upper east side Manhattan apartments, spending $20,000 a month using the guys black American Express card. In many instances, the wives who were like the men, in their 50’s, knew about the 28 year old graduate student who was providing the hot sex that they were no longer willing or able to give him. Why did they stay married to the guy? Money, children, prestige, contacts etc. As long as the guy kept the “kept woman” on the down low, it was cool. It has nothing to do with morals or morality inside this top wealthy sliver ( the top one-third of 1% and up).

When one of my white Goldman friends who unlike myself came from a wealthy family introduced his fiancé to his father while we were all at a restaurant, he said to his son when she went to the bathroom “She’ll make a nice starter wife for you, get the papers done (prenup) and I’ll make the reception arrangements” That’s the psychology.

In Washington DC 99% of the 100 member US Senate are muti-millionaires. Most of men in the Senate, especially with the advent of Viagra are all getting their freak on with multiple sex partners. This information is no revelation to anyone who works as a Senate staffer. The House is not as rich as the Senate but the whore-houses in DC do lots of business the House. Add to this mix the lobbyist with the corporate credit cards, limos. private jets, golf outings, etc. etc……..The psychology in DC among affluent Alpha males is the same as Wall Street or Hollywood or the big oil capitol of Houston.

Bill Clinton’s mistake was getting head from a starry eyed 20 year old and having that information become public. If he was getting sucked & fucked by let’s say movie actress Sharon Stone, the RepubliKlans wouldn’t have been able to get enough votes within their own ranks to file articles of impeachment. Impeachment was sold by using the line “She could be your daughter”……that was the hook.

The public knew it was bullshit which is why his approval rating stayed above 60% during all the RepubliKlan hysteria about a blow job. Hillary came of looking real bad because Monica was so young and naïve and young enough to be Bills daughter. In fact Bills own daughter Chelsa was only a few years younger than Monica. Bill came off looking almost like a child molester. As far as Hillary leaving Bill, that would have been the wrong move for her politically. Women of her class (highly educated, affluent, famous, ambitious) would of laughed at her, because they deal with the same situation themselves & unlike their spouses Bill hadn’t made any real-money yet, so Hillary cashing $$$ out was not an option.


 
Re: Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

This thread is about why Republicans hate Hillary QueEx.

I actually think hate is a strong word. I don't believe they take it that far as Democrats feel about George Bush. I have been around people who have so much hatred for Bush that if Bush came around where they were at that time they would beat the pulp out of him. I don't hear any Republicans speak with that kind of hatred of any Democrats

WATCH the PBS Bill Moyers video, click the link below. Watch the whole video. It's illuminating.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12072007/watch.html

to save the video to your drive, the link is below, just right click save as
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/12072007/flv/jamieson1.flv
 

Nittte :D :D LOL……..once we get past your humor, I’ll assume your comments are just satire…….because certainly you know that powerful, financially secure Alpha males, regardless of race, all deal with women in multi-faceted variations of what Bill was doing to Monica.

I worked at Goldman Sachs for 12 years as a derivative trader, in the midst of wealthy Alpha males; myself included. With only the rare, rare, rare exception we all had plentiful gratuitous sexual relations with a steady stream of willing and able women….. (or men if you were a fag). Washington DC is no different from Wall Street or Hollywood or Houston or London or Tokyo or Paris or Moscow or Dubai etc. etc.

It is still almost totally A MAN'S WORLD!!!!!!!!!

Affluent Alpha males have sex with women who aren’t their wives or steady-girlfriends. That’s the reality - period.
Women like Hillary- particularly women like Hillary, affluent, Yale educated and the member of numerous fortune 1000 company boards before she became first-lady, know ‘this deal’.

It may be 2007 but ‘this deal’ is the same deal Jackie Kennedy dealt with as Jack Kennedy was downstairs in the White House swimming pool fucking movie star Marilyn Monroe and many others.

Feminism has not changed ‘this deal’ only mitigated it. If a woman marries Donald Trump or Russell Simmons or Baby Face she knows ‘this deal’. I’m not making any moral judgement. That’s just the way it is. I speak from actual experience not speculation.

The chairman of my former employer Goldman Sachs will take home a yearly bonus next week larger than $70. Million dollars. When I was there the chairmans Ron Rubin and Jon Corzine got a yearly bonuses between 35 -50 million dollars. Guys at my level got 4 to 7 million. Now they get 7 to 12.
As an eye witness I can tell you that the 20 year married, baldest, fattest, shortest bankers had “kept women” living in $5,000 a month upper east side Manhattan apartments, spending $20,000 a month using the guys black American Express card. In many instances, the wives who were like the men, in their 50’s, knew about the 28 year old graduate student who was providing the hot sex that they were no longer willing or able to give him. Why did they stay married to the guy? Money, children, prestige, contacts etc. As long as the guy kept the “kept woman” on the down low, it was cool. It has nothing to do with morals or morality inside this top wealthy sliver ( the top one-third of 1% and up).

When one of my white Goldman friends who unlike myself came from a wealthy family introduced his fiancé to his father while we were all at a restaurant, he said to his son when she went to the bathroom “She’ll make a nice starter wife for you, get the papers done (prenup) and I’ll make the reception arrangements” That’s the psychology.

In Washington DC 99% of the 100 member US Senate are muti-millionaires. Most of men in the Senate, especially with the advent of Viagra are all getting their freak on with multiple sex partners. This information is no revelation to anyone who works as a Senate staffer. The House is not as rich as the Senate but the whore-houses in DC do lots of business the House. Add to this mix the lobbyist with the corporate credit cards, limos. private jets, golf outings, etc. etc……..The psychology in DC among affluent Alpha males is the same as Wall Street or Hollywood or the big oil capitol of Houston.

Bill Clinton’s mistake was getting head from a starry eyed 20 year old and having that information become public. If he was getting sucked & fucked by let’s say movie actress Sharon Stone, the RepubliKlans wouldn’t have been able to get enough votes within their own ranks to file articles of impeachment. Impeachment was sold by using the line “She could be your daughter”……that was the hook.

The public knew it was bullshit which is why his approval rating stayed above 60% during all the RepubliKlan hysteria about a blow job. Hillary came of looking real bad because Monica was so young and naïve and young enough to be Bills daughter. In fact Bills own daughter Chelsa was only a few years younger than Monica. Bill came off looking almost like a child molester. As far as Hillary leaving Bill, that would have been the wrong move for her politically. Women of her class (highly educated, affluent, famous, ambitious) would of laughed at her, because they deal with the same situation themselves & unlike their spouses Bill hadn’t made any real-money yet, so Hillary cashing $$$ out was not an option.





I was being sarcastic but my point stands anyone who would let themselves be played like Hillary is not ready to be president of the USA. I know about the egos and kept women, but this is not a playful fling we're talking about here. We're talking about a socialist leaning South America, Communism in China and Russia, terrorism, a crumbling infrastructure here and a failing economy. If the problems were'nt so critical and severe maybe we could amuse ourselves by electing the first female president but we don't have that luxury. We need someone with the mental and moral fortitude of FDR or Abe Lincoln and Hillary imo doesn't fit the position.
 
The 10 Stupidest Things Hillary Clinton Has Ever Said

10. “I have to confess that it’s crossed my mind that you could not be a Republican and a Christian.”

9. “God bless the America we are trying to create.”

8. “We have a lot of kids who don’t know what works means. They think work is a four-letter word.”

7. “He ran a gas station down in St. Louis… No, Mahatma Gandhi was a great leader of the 20th century.” –introducing a quote by Mahatma Gandhi

6. “Who is going to find out? These women are trash. Nobody’s going to believe them.” –on Bill Clinton’s bimbo eruptions

5. “If I didn’t kick his ass every day, he wouldn’t be worth anything.” –on Bill Clinton

4. “I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession which I entered before my husband was in public life.”

3. “We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”

2. “I have said that I’m not running and I’m having a great time being pres — being a first-term senator.” —on her presidential ambitions

1. “I’m not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president.”

I'm no GW fan but from the looks of things,Hillary isn't the brightest bulb on the xmas tree either.
I paticulary, have the biggest problem with quote #3.
Here is the full quote.

"Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush's] tax cuts may have helped you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

This is redistribution of wealth,which is a major building block of socialistic structure and ideology.

Creating more tax and raising the existing taxes we already have is no way to boost a failing economy.The retail industry is predicting all time lows this coming holiday season.Why?Because the main demographic(middle to upper-middle class)that fuels the retail industry are being taxed to death.
It seems like common sense to me that lowering taxes or getting rid of some taxes altogether would boost our economy by leaving more money in our pockets to spend.
 
Re: Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

Hillary tried to flip the Healthcare system, which will kill all the money crackers are making in pharmacueticals!!
 
Re: Republicans, Why Do You Hate Hillary?

Hillary tried to flip the Healthcare system, which will kill all the money crackers are making in pharmacueticals!!

You mean the same crackers in the pharmaceutical industry who contributed over 150k to her campaign?
 
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