What if she's getting pregnant by another guy, I mean who would pay childsupport...Open Marriage

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Antoinette Patterson
Hometown Philadelphia, PA
Place of Residence Chester, PA
Occupation Physical Therapist

Kevin Patterson
Hometown Bloomfield, NJ
Place of Residence Chester, PA
Occupation Educator

Kevin and Antoinette are married and live together with their two young daughters. They both identify as polyamorous. Antoinette has one romantic partner and that is Kevin. She has a couple of casual partners that she has kink play with. Kevin has romantic and sexual relationships with Antoinette and with his two girlfriends. In addition, he has a number of long distance partners with whom he is casually sexual and casually romantic.
Antoinette: We’re at this point where we have two young daughters where our family of choice is like coalescing really nice. Our family of choice is why we are even able to be here right now, because two of my metamours are tag-teaming to take care of our kids while we’re away.

Antoinette: For me, the jealousy really more recently reared its head with coming to terms with actually having metamours that wanted to be involved with our kids. We’ve been poly for a long time, so we were poly before we had kids. Then, once kids came into the picture, most of the people that both of us had been dating were kind of like, “Oh, you’ve got kids, that’s nice. Hi and bye,” with no desire to be more involved in their lives. Until more recently when his girlfriend was like, “No, I want to be a part of the family.” That was one of those where I’m like, “Wait, what?” And I was actually more jealous of her relationship with my kids than I was with her relationship with my husband [laughing]. That was a lot of unpacking that had to be done there.

Kevin: I’m a black guy. It very often plays out that I am one of very few people of color at an event, at a mixer, at poly cocktails, happy hour, whatever the poly event is, it’s very real that I will be the only or one of very few people of color at this thing. I’m always worried about being othered. I’m always worried about being fetishized.
Antoinette: Right now, I only have one romantic partner, Kevin. I am also kinky, and so I have a couple of casual partners that I engage in kink activities with. We’re more friends that happen to do kinky stuff together on occasion. I also, right now, have a really good relationship with most of my metamours. I feel like I’m in a very fortunate place right now. I’d like to have another romantic partner but I feel like our poly is really smooth right now.



Antoinette: Our youngest, she’ll sit and she’ll list out, she’s just happy as a clam, because she’s like “I’m daddy’s Black Cat, I’m mommy’s Pumpkin, and I’m Kay’s Baby Bird.” She runs down her list because in her mind, these are all the people that love me and all the people who take care of me, and give me reason to try to weasel out of going to bed at night, because that’s universal. She’s like, “Oh, Kay’s here, can she read me a story? Oh, Hali’s here, wait, can we get a snack?” It’s like, “No, you still have to go to bed on time.” At this point, we have all of this support and all these great people in our kids’ lives, so we’re really fortunate.




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The problem is most men barely make the money to provide for one wife. Imagine having to do that for 2-3 more women.

The women can work too. They can rotate childcare. Or they can contribute to the household by gardening or making and selling stuff. If the women are at home doing nothing, then yes most men wouldn’t be able to afford it.
 
There is a thing in law that is called presumption of paternity.

her husband will pay unless the wife establishes that he is not the father.

she can refuse a DNA test and the court will make him pay child support if they ever seperate
I don't think it goes that far with paternity.

Any child conceived during the union is the responsibility of the husband by the state laws. Not sure if it varies by state but certain states, they need no DNA. The child was conceived while "we" were in union, marriage.

We spoke on this on the board in the past. I didn't know. If my wife had a baby from cheating, if we got a divorce later, I'm still legally responsible for that childs welfare.

I was like wtf.
 
Peep the first minute of this clip that expounds on what you were talking about. I watched this film a month or so ago and it really highlighted the influences of colonizers on African traditions, especially through Christianity.



Yep. In that minute she lied to that man and refused to help him because of a difference of opinion about consenting adults. White supremacy is a muthafukka. They will quote “Jesus” then knowingly have a completely false image of him. They tell us that a consenting man can’t marry more
than one consenting wife but it’s ok for 2 men/2 women to marry or for either to “chose” the sex they were born with. They are only open minded about things they themselves come up with.
 
A moment if you will, about your homie an interesting chap. Dude sounds as twisted as a bag of Twizzlers.

I can’t disagree there. He’s definitely in a world that unique. However, he is my mentor (he’s an elder gentleman). I learned a lot from him about human compassion and empathy. These were areas I lacked conscious awareness in. He also educated me in human mythology and how we lack the ability to true see past our own conscious, especially when emotional.

Now, when he is telling me about how he beat bitches asses and the various devices he use. That’s where my mind get blown. Even more so, the women request to be “tuned” up. He’s shown me videos where he has electrocuted bitches at their request. They are all black women too, which is even more mind blowing at times. They even pay for his services. He give lectures and demonstrations on whipping techniques.
 
I can’t disagree there. He’s definitely in a world that unique. However, he is my mentor (he’s an elder gentleman). I learned a lot from him about human compassion and empathy. These were areas I lacked conscious awareness in. He also educated me in human mythology and how we lack the ability to true see past our own conscious, especially when emotional.

Now, when he is telling me about how he beat bitches asses and the various devices he use. That’s where my mind get blown. Even more so, the women request to be “tuned” up. He’s shown me videos where he has electrocuted bitches at their request. They are all black women too, which is even more mind blowing at times. They even pay for his services. He give lectures and demonstrations on whipping techniques.
if you canmake him join bgol or point us to his website , because kinda interested in bdsm as am encounting a lot black women into the rough stuff
 
The women can work too. They can rotate childcare. Or they can contribute to the household by gardening or making and selling stuff. If the women are at home doing nothing, then yes most men wouldn’t be able to afford it.

I agree with making themselves productive if they are stay at home moms. They definitely have to make themselves productive somehow (gardening, rotating childcare, etc.)
 
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Antoinette Patterson
Hometown Philadelphia, PA
Place of Residence Chester, PA
Occupation Physical Therapist

Kevin Patterson
Hometown Bloomfield, NJ
Place of Residence Chester, PA
Occupation Educator

Kevin and Antoinette are married and live together with their two young daughters. They both identify as polyamorous. Antoinette has one romantic partner and that is Kevin. She has a couple of casual partners that she has kink play with. Kevin has romantic and sexual relationships with Antoinette and with his two girlfriends. In addition, he has a number of long distance partners with whom he is casually sexual and casually romantic.
Antoinette: We’re at this point where we have two young daughters where our family of choice is like coalescing really nice. Our family of choice is why we are even able to be here right now, because two of my metamours are tag-teaming to take care of our kids while we’re away.

Antoinette: For me, the jealousy really more recently reared its head with coming to terms with actually having metamours that wanted to be involved with our kids. We’ve been poly for a long time, so we were poly before we had kids. Then, once kids came into the picture, most of the people that both of us had been dating were kind of like, “Oh, you’ve got kids, that’s nice. Hi and bye,” with no desire to be more involved in their lives. Until more recently when his girlfriend was like, “No, I want to be a part of the family.” That was one of those where I’m like, “Wait, what?” And I was actually more jealous of her relationship with my kids than I was with her relationship with my husband [laughing]. That was a lot of unpacking that had to be done there.

Kevin: I’m a black guy. It very often plays out that I am one of very few people of color at an event, at a mixer, at poly cocktails, happy hour, whatever the poly event is, it’s very real that I will be the only or one of very few people of color at this thing. I’m always worried about being othered. I’m always worried about being fetishized.
Antoinette: Right now, I only have one romantic partner, Kevin. I am also kinky, and so I have a couple of casual partners that I engage in kink activities with. We’re more friends that happen to do kinky stuff together on occasion. I also, right now, have a really good relationship with most of my metamours. I feel like I’m in a very fortunate place right now. I’d like to have another romantic partner but I feel like our poly is really smooth right now.



Antoinette: Our youngest, she’ll sit and she’ll list out, she’s just happy as a clam, because she’s like “I’m daddy’s Black Cat, I’m mommy’s Pumpkin, and I’m Kay’s Baby Bird.” She runs down her list because in her mind, these are all the people that love me and all the people who take care of me, and give me reason to try to weasel out of going to bed at night, because that’s universal. She’s like, “Oh, Kay’s here, can she read me a story? Oh, Hali’s here, wait, can we get a snack?” It’s like, “No, you still have to go to bed on time.” At this point, we have all of this support and all these great people in our kids’ lives, so we’re really fortunate.




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Antoinette and Kevin together at their home in Chester


He's into partaking in the CACtivities with his selection.
 
if you canmake him join bgol or point us to his website , because kinda interested in bdsm as am encounting a lot black women into the rough stuff

I think he could offer this site a great mind expansion on this topic. However, interestingly enough, while this is a porn site, the thought process of many of our members are still somewhat very convervative.

I’ll can pass you his information once he has finished creating his course for certification in sex coaching. As of now, his lectures and demonstrations are done locally.
 
I can’t disagree there. He’s definitely in a world that unique. However, he is my mentor (he’s an elder gentleman). I learned a lot from him about human compassion and empathy. These were areas I lacked conscious awareness in. He also educated me in human mythology and how we lack the ability to true see past our own conscious, especially when emotional.

Now, when he is telling me about how he beat bitches asses and the various devices he use. That’s where my mind get blown. Even more so, the women request to be “tuned” up. He’s shown me videos where he has electrocuted bitches at their request. They are all black women too, which is even more mind blowing at times. They even pay for his services. He give lectures and demonstrations on whipping techniques.
I remember seeing this thick, phat ass sister in a spanking video on Xhamster. I was intrigued by her complexion and her ass, and it wasn't a White dude fetishizing her...it was a Brotha. :eek2:
They had several videos of him spanking that phat ass and I was tripping to find Black couples into kink. I ran across a handful of couples or channels of kinky Black people. I'm not hardwired that way myself. It takes something to trip my trigger to make me wanna smack a chick around and rough her up. Ain't much like a good grudge fuckin' though. :lol:
 
I remember seeing this thick, phat ass sister in a spanking video on Xhamster. I was intrigued by her complexion and her ass, and it wasn't a White dude fetishizing her...it was a Brotha. :eek2:
They had several videos of him spanking that phat ass and I was tripping to find Black couples into kink. I ran across a handful of couples or channels of kinky Black people. I'm not hardwired that way myself. It takes something to trip my trigger to make me wanna smack a chick around and rough her up. Ain't much like a good grudge fuckin' though. :lol:

The trigger is the key. My homie’s passing of his parents along with several other mythologies he held to be true all crash on him at once. When his ex-wife said she was wanting to be non-monogamous, I think that’s when he really dove into human sciences.

A lot of the women he deals with comes from some serious backgrounds. For example, some were molested, raped, or abused in their past. Their participation in BDSM is taking back control of something that was took away from them. Plus, some of these chicks have orgasm by the pain inflicted on them.

There are obvious levels to this shit and it’s truly dependent on the people you deal with. Folks have their own idea of what is or isn’t kink. Some women just wants to be controlled. Other women actually uses this practice in a spiritual way.
 
I agree with making themselves productive if they are stay at home moms. They definitely have to make themselves productive somehow (gardening, rotating childcare, etc.)

Yeah. People in general aren't happy doing nothing. As a family unit, everyone contributes. A family unit consisting of a husband, two wives and kids, would actually accumulate more household income than just 2 money earners because there would be more income earners utilizing the same resources(housing, housing maintenance and childcare).
 
I think he could offer this site a great mind expansion on this topic. However, interestingly enough, while this is a porn site, the thought process of many of our members are still somewhat very convervative.

I’ll can pass you his information once he has finished creating his course for certification in sex coaching. As of now, his lectures and demonstrations are done locally.
Since a teen, I've always wondered or thought it would be cool having two girlfriends or the poly lifestyle, THEN...
I watched this Poly series on the Showtime app like two years ago. May seem cool at first, but there ends up being jealousy I find in some shape or form. Many say they can do it and watching the list of couples over the seasons in the lifestyle from the show, they all pretty much ended up with some kind of issue.

Aside from that, I have some of my friends (guys) who are black and into stuff with spanking or some other kind of kink with chicks. There's a site they told me many meet on called Fetlife.com that are into all kinds of stuff. But I have been told it's gotten inundated with so much newbies because of social media that girls use it now for "donations" a lot, similar to how they use an IG or other social media. So they want to be paid for sex or pics/vids.

I'll stick to wanting to have a 3sum here or there with chicks I don't know. But when you get into the whole relationshit thing, these chicks breed jealousy or you will eventually.

I just listened to a few of that couple's vids on the link above and want to add this:
They bring that whole open lifestyle around their two daughters, meaning the women aren't just a sex thing, they are with the women many hours, in bed and out. The children accept their dad and mom have many sexual partners. The dad justifies it by saying today it's the norm that the schoolmates have two dads or two moms and being black, so we are pretty much low on the raised eyebrows scale.

I am really afraid for what is coming for my kids kids as they grow up and what society has become. So I guess I am conservative in those aspects.
Sorry I am not with what's considered the "norm" today.

I just see it as adding to the destruction of the black family. Sorry...
 
I can’t disagree there. He’s definitely in a world that unique. However, he is my mentor (he’s an elder gentleman). I learned a lot from him about human compassion and empathy. These were areas I lacked conscious awareness in. He also educated me in human mythology and how we lack the ability to true see past our own conscious, especially when emotional.

Now, when he is telling me about how he beat bitches asses and the various devices he use. That’s where my mind get blown. Even more so, the women request to be “tuned” up. He’s shown me videos where he has electrocuted bitches at their request. They are all black women too, which is even more mind blowing at times. They even pay for his services. He give lectures and demonstrations on whipping techniques.

Let me qualify this keep Camille (nothing but love Baby) in check, "some women" seem to get enjoyment from bizarre treatments I don't know why. I've watched Daisy Ducati take electric shock inside her vagina. What would make a woman want that? Now imagine a young guy hooking up with a woman like her, he might begin thinking all women want that, that's the norm. Next thing he knows he's arrested, woman claiming abuse.

An you say "he is your mentor." Just making a personal note to myself.

I've known a couple of freaky types but nothing like what you described. One was crazy enough to try fisting my hand. Mind you I used to palm basketballs with either hand. So I know they can get crazy but nothing beyond that. BTW she couldn't take. Started having orgasmic convulsions without my thumbs.

Now you've got me intrigued, maybe a future podcast? :sleazy:
 
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Antoinette Patterson
Hometown Philadelphia, PA
Place of Residence Chester, PA
Occupation Physical Therapist

Kevin Patterson
Hometown Bloomfield, NJ
Place of Residence Chester, PA
Occupation Educator

Kevin and Antoinette are married and live together with their two young daughters. They both identify as polyamorous. Antoinette has one romantic partner and that is Kevin. She has a couple of casual partners that she has kink play with. Kevin has romantic and sexual relationships with Antoinette and with his two girlfriends. In addition, he has a number of long distance partners with whom he is casually sexual and casually romantic.
Antoinette: We’re at this point where we have two young daughters where our family of choice is like coalescing really nice. Our family of choice is why we are even able to be here right now, because two of my metamours are tag-teaming to take care of our kids while we’re away.

Antoinette: For me, the jealousy really more recently reared its head with coming to terms with actually having metamours that wanted to be involved with our kids. We’ve been poly for a long time, so we were poly before we had kids. Then, once kids came into the picture, most of the people that both of us had been dating were kind of like, “Oh, you’ve got kids, that’s nice. Hi and bye,” with no desire to be more involved in their lives. Until more recently when his girlfriend was like, “No, I want to be a part of the family.” That was one of those where I’m like, “Wait, what?” And I was actually more jealous of her relationship with my kids than I was with her relationship with my husband [laughing]. That was a lot of unpacking that had to be done there.

Kevin: I’m a black guy. It very often plays out that I am one of very few people of color at an event, at a mixer, at poly cocktails, happy hour, whatever the poly event is, it’s very real that I will be the only or one of very few people of color at this thing. I’m always worried about being othered. I’m always worried about being fetishized.
Antoinette: Right now, I only have one romantic partner, Kevin. I am also kinky, and so I have a couple of casual partners that I engage in kink activities with. We’re more friends that happen to do kinky stuff together on occasion. I also, right now, have a really good relationship with most of my metamours. I feel like I’m in a very fortunate place right now. I’d like to have another romantic partner but I feel like our poly is really smooth right now.



Antoinette: Our youngest, she’ll sit and she’ll list out, she’s just happy as a clam, because she’s like “I’m daddy’s Black Cat, I’m mommy’s Pumpkin, and I’m Kay’s Baby Bird.” She runs down her list because in her mind, these are all the people that love me and all the people who take care of me, and give me reason to try to weasel out of going to bed at night, because that’s universal. She’s like, “Oh, Kay’s here, can she read me a story? Oh, Hali’s here, wait, can we get a snack?” It’s like, “No, you still have to go to bed on time.” At this point, we have all of this support and all these great people in our kids’ lives, so we’re really fortunate.




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Kevin and Antoinette on their other self identities and how they intersect with being polyamorous

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Kevin and Antoinette Relationship Terminology

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Antoinette suspends a play partner in her basement
Kevin, Antoinette and Chrissy
Antoinette, Kevin and Intimacy
Keira and Kevin out to breakfast
Antoinette and Kevin together at their home in Chester


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Since a teen, I've always wondered or thought it would be cool having two girlfriends or the poly lifestyle, THEN...
I watched this Poly series on the Showtime app like two years ago. May seem cool at first, but there ends up being jealousy I find in some shape or form. Many say they can do it and watching the list of couples over the seasons in the lifestyle from the show, they all pretty much ended up with some kind of issue.

Aside from that, I have some of my friends (guys) who are black and into stuff with spanking or some other kind of kink with chicks. There's a site they told me many meet on called Fetlife.com that are into all kinds of stuff. But I have been told it's gotten inundated with so much newbies because of social media that girls use it now for "donations" a lot, similar to how they use an IG or other social media. So they want to be paid for sex or pics/vids.

I'll stick to wanting to have a 3sum here or there with chicks I don't know. But when you get into the whole relationshit thing, these chicks breed jealousy or you will eventually.

I just listened to a few of that couple's vids on the link above and want to add this:
They bring that whole open lifestyle around their two daughters, meaning the women aren't just a sex thing, they are with the women many hours, in bed and out. The children accept their dad and mom have many sexual partners. The dad justifies it by saying today it's the norm that the schoolmates have two dads or two moms and being black, so we are pretty much low on the raised eyebrows scale.

I am really afraid for what is coming for my kids kids as they grow up and what society has become. So I guess I am conservative in those aspects.
Sorry I am not with what's considered the "norm" today.

I just see it as adding to the destruction of the black family. Sorry...

I’m very conservative in my ideologies when it comes to sex and relationships. Generally, Black folks are religious, not accepting of homosexuality, patriarchic, and traditional when it comes to relationships/marriage. That’s what I meant by conservative in thought process.

I come from an old school southern family. So I still hold on to certain aspects of that thought process.

However, what I have learned while maturing and doing some traveling across the country is that Black folks are not monolithic. Black folks from NYC are so different than the ones down south. Black folk out west are very different than those in the north. This is due to the environments in which we come from, and those environments dictates what we are exposed to. We are spread out across 3000 square miles of United States territory.

When it comes to non-monogamy, I agree the emotional aspect is the one biggest factor these couples can not account for. Plus, we are not thoughtful enough on the impacts that sex has on people emotionally. We’ve abridged the act to something meaningless in order to satisfy our impulses more frequently.

It’s more complicated than we give credit to.
 
Since a teen, I've always wondered or thought it would be cool having two girlfriends or the poly lifestyle, THEN...
I watched this Poly series on the Showtime app like two years ago. May seem cool at first, but there ends up being jealousy I find in some shape or form. Many say they can do it and watching the list of couples over the seasons in the lifestyle from the show, they all pretty much ended up with some kind of issue.

Aside from that, I have some of my friends (guys) who are black and into stuff with spanking or some other kind of kink with chicks. There's a site they told me many meet on called Fetlife.com that are into all kinds of stuff. But I have been told it's gotten inundated with so much newbies because of social media that girls use it now for "donations" a lot, similar to how they use an IG or other social media. So they want to be paid for sex or pics/vids.

I'll stick to wanting to have a 3sum here or there with chicks I don't know. But when you get into the whole relationshit thing, these chicks breed jealousy or you will eventually.

I just listened to a few of that couple's vids on the link above and want to add this:
They bring that whole open lifestyle around their two daughters, meaning the women aren't just a sex thing, they are with the women many hours, in bed and out. The children accept their dad and mom have many sexual partners. The dad justifies it by saying today it's the norm that the schoolmates have two dads or two moms and being black, so we are pretty much low on the raised eyebrows scale.

I am really afraid for what is coming for my kids kids as they grow up and what society has become. So I guess I am conservative in those aspects.
Sorry I am not with what's considered the "norm" today.

I just see it as adding to the destruction of the black family. Sorry...


my grandfather had 3 wives

all they ever did was fight and make his life miserable

when he was around 70, he was so miserable, he moved out his home
and went to stay by himself..we all thought he was going to die

the guy ended up living another 20 years, looked 20 years younger too..

the trouble and fights between his wives and their children and their children has continued to this date
last i heard, one of them is on the run, for beating another one almost to death

polygamy is a fucked up way of life
 
my grandfather had 3 wives

all they ever did was fight and make his life miserable

when he was around 70, he was so miserable, he moved out his home
and went to stay by himself..we all thought he was going to die

the guy ended up living another 20 years, looked 20 years younger too..

the trouble and fights between his wives and their children and their children has continued to this date
last i heard, one of them is on the run, for beating another one almost to death

polygamy is a fucked up way of life
I'm sure it may work in other societies. But in America, with the way family structure is, jealously I think eventually sets in.

I watched the series on Showtime, anyone who has the app and time to kill, I watched the whole thing over a few days and it was revealing, about just the mental/emotional makeup of what goes down. It's no bed of roses.

Sex, in the moment is great, it's the aftermath you have to live with.
 
Even if they don't. The law assumes the husband is the father. Even when he is not. Paternity test be damned. You the pappi.

That's what presumption means :roflmao:

Damn. So if she were to pop up pregnant dude should get a divorce asap before the little trespassers born?

Divorce won't do anything but make him pay support payments. Stay married and hope she dies or even help her out a little......Average time spent for murder is 8 years child support is 21 :blush:
 
The problem is most men barely make the money to provide for one wife. Imagine having to do that for 2-3 more women.


That’s the wrong way of thinking.

As to the couple

If your wife hits you with that open relationship shit it’s her way of saying your dick is trash and or you don’t meet her needs as man.
 
That’s the wrong way of thinking.

As to the couple

If your wife hits you with that open relationship shit it’s her way of saying your dick is trash and or you don’t meet her needs as man.

A Woman will fuck another man even if she is getting good dick at home.

A Woman will fuck another man even if she has a man with muscles and swag.

A Woman will fuck another man even if she has a man with lots of money


...........The moral of it all is, you cant stop a woman from fucking who she wanna fuck, even if her needs are met in the home.

Some of these women are mercenaries and they just do what they wanna do.
 
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