what do you personally believe about the OJ murders?

???

  • OJ killed them both unassisted

  • OJ killed them with an accomplice

  • OJ hired/persuaded someone to kill them

  • OJ was framed; he wasn't involved at all


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Unless he was setup and framed:




Civil trial​

In 1996, Fred Goldman and Sharon Rufo, the parents of Ron Goldman, and Lou Brown, father of Nicole Brown filed a civil suitagainst Simpson for wrongful death.[418] The plaintiffs were represented by Daniel Petrocelli and Simpson by Robert Baker.[419]Presiding Judge Hiroshi Fujisaki did not allow the trial to be televised, did not sequester the jury, and prohibited the defense from alleging racism by the LAPD and from condemning the crime lab.[420] The physical evidence did not change but additional evidence of domestic violence was presented as well as 31 pre-1994 photos of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes,[421] including one that was published 6 months before the murders, proving it could not be a forgery.[422] Results from a polygraph test that Simpson denied taking showed "extreme deception" when he denied committing the murders. Fuhrman did not testify but Simpson did on his own behalf and lied several times.[423]

The jury found Simpson liable for the murders and awarded the victims' families $33.5 million in compensatory and punitive damages.[352] Simpson filed for bankruptcy afterwards and relocated to Florida to protect his pension from seizure. His remaining assets were seized and auctioned off with most being purchased by critics of the verdict of the criminal trial to help the plaintiffs recoup the costs of litigation. Simpson's Heisman Trophy was sold for $255,500 to an undisclosed buyer. All the proceeds went to the Goldman family who said they have received only one percent of the money that Simpson owes from the wrongful death suit.[424][425]







But we’ve all seen police do worse to set people up, but still.


 
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Basically
 
The person ( Bruce Lee ) had to jump over an Eight foot wall - Knife up two people - Jump that Eight foot wall again - get back to the airport. Also his name was on NO flight paperwork
 
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The matching bloody gloves found at the murder scene and outside Simpson's home

9:36 P.M. Simpson, wearing a dark sweat suit, is seen by Kato Kaelin.
9:30-9:45 Charles Cale, walking his dog by Simpson's Rockingham residence, does not see Bronco.
10:02 Simpson attempts to call Paula Barbieri on the cell phone from his Bronco.
10:15 (prosecution)-10:40 (defense) Period during which murders took place.
10:22-10:30 Limo driver Allan Park, scheduled to take Simpson to airport, does not see Bronco on Rockingham.
10:40, 10:43, 10:49 Allan Park buzzes Simpson's intercom, but gets no response.
10:50 White or light bronco observed at the intersection of Bundy and Dorothy.
10:51 or 10:52 Kato Kaelin hears three thumps on the wall outside his room.
10:54 Allan Park sees a man wearing dark clothes, about 6-feet tall and 200 pounds, walk across the driveway of the Simpson residence.
10:55 Simpson lies to Allan Park.
1. The 9-1-1 call and the history of Simpson's violence directed at Nicole Brown.
2. Hair evidence: (1) hairs consistent with that of Simpson found on cap at Bundy residence, (2) hairs consistent with that of Simpson found on Ron Goldman's shirt.
3. Fiber evidence: (1) cotton fibers consistent with the carpet in the Bronco found on glove at Rockingham, (2) fibers consistent with the carpet from the Bronco found on cap at Bundy residence.
4. Blood evidence: (1) killer dropped blood near shoe prints at Bundy, (2) blood dropped at Bundy was of same type as Simpson's (about 0.5% of population would match), (3) Simpson had fresh cuts on left hand on day after murder, (4) blood found in Bronco, (5) blood found in foyer and master bedroom of Simpson home, (5) blood found on Simpson's driveway, (6) blood on socks in OJ's home matched Nicole's.
5. Glove evidence: (1) left glove found at Bundy and right glove found at Simpson residence are Aris Light gloves, size XL, (2) Nicole Brown bought pair of Aris Light XL gloves in 1990 at Bloomingdale's, (3) Simpson wore Aris Light gloves from 1990 to June, 1994.
6. Shoe evidence: (1) shoe prints found at Bundy were from a size 12 Bruno Magli shoe, (2) bloody shoe impression on Bronco carpet is consistent with a Magli shoe, (3) Simpson wore a size 12 shoe.
7. Other evidence: (1) flight in Bronco, (2) strange reaction to phone call informing him of Nicole Brown's death, etc.
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1. Simpson did not testify at his criminal trial. Defense attorneys will almost always call as a witness an articulate client that they believe to be innocent.
2. Subsequent to the trial defense attorneys talking about the trial have been careful to say "the jury did the right thing," while not stating that Simpson was in fact innocent.
3. Subsequent to the trial, Simpson has devoted no real effort to tracking down the "real killer," nor has any significant evidence surfaced suggesting that the killer was anyone other than Simpson.
4. The jury was not allowed to hear testimony concerning Simpson's rumored jailhouse confession to Rosie Grier.
5. Subsequent to the criminal trial other evidence of Simpson's guilt surfaced. The most significant of the new evidence may have been photographs of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes. The new evidence, together with much of the evidence considered in the criminal trial, convinced a civil jury that Simpson murdered Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman.
6. In his 2007 book, If I Did It, Simpson (for all intents and purposes) confessed. The book describes in detail events leading up to the moment of the murders.


 
Either OJ had an accomplice or he's innocent. I'll never believe he gutted two people, drove home, got rid of the weapon and clothes, cleaned up, packed up, then took a limo to catch a flight-- by himself, all within 45 minutes. And whoever killed them people must have known that Ron Goldman didn't have a gun, or wasn't (weren't) worried about it
 
1. Simpson did not testify at his criminal trial. Defense attorneys will almost always call as a witness an articulate client that they believe to be innocent.
dude - you really read this horse shit - and still posted it

:lol:

all the evidence in your post including timelines were successfully impeached on cross or when the defense presented its case
 
dude - you really read this horse shit - and still posted it

:lol:

all the evidence in your post including timelines were successfully impeached on cross or when the defense presented its case

Dude, you're going to believe what you believe no matter what's posted.

There could be a video of OJ doing the killing and you'd say it was Norbert not OJ.

And I don't know if he did it or not, we do know that there's circumstantial evidence that ties him to the crime.

But you don't believe the evidence so it's pointless mentioning it.
 
Circumstantial evidence is indirect evidence that does not, on its face, prove a fact in issue but gives rise to a logical inference that the fact exists. Circumstantial evidence requires drawing additional reasonable inferences in order to support the claim.



And I don't know if he did it or not, we do know that there's circumstantial evidence that ties him to the crime.
we do not "know"

because

by the end of the trial - every piece of "circumstantial" evidence was impeached as being physically impossible
eg. blood collected at crime scene was missed for weeks before being "discovered" and when tested, the dried blood contained a preservative only found in blood vials

or the blood splatter on socks soaked through in a manner demonstrating they were not worn when they came in contact with blood

or the timing of when hairs and fibres were collected during the investigation -all from articles previously examined

or the locations that blood splatter was found in the Bronco only being possible to occur if the interior was disassembled at the time the blood was applied

or that no one - not defense investigators, DA's investigators, nor LAPD could reproduce the timeline the DA entered into evidence at trial

etc etc
 
Circumstantial evidence is indirect evidence that does not, on its face, prove a fact in issue but gives rise to a logical inference that the fact exists. Circumstantial evidence requires drawing additional reasonable inferences in order to support the claim.




we do not "know"

because

by the end of the trial - every piece of "circumstantial" evidence was impeached as being physically impossible
eg. blood collected at crime scene was missed for weeks before being "discovered" and when tested, the dried blood contained a preservative only found in blood vials

or the blood splatter on socks soaked through in a manner demonstrating they were not worn when they came in contact with blood

or the timing of when hairs and fibres were collected during the investigation -all from articles previously examined

or the locations that blood splatter was found in the Bronco only being possible to occur if the interior was disassembled at the time the blood was applied

or that no one - not defense investigators, DA's investigators, nor LAPD could reproduce the timeline the DA entered into evidence at trial

etc etc

My footprints weren’t at the crime scene.

I also don’t own a pair of Bruno Magli shoes in size 12 nor do I have a pair of Aris Isotoner gloves in a rare size XL.

But OJ did.

Here's a pic of him wearing the exact same gloves that was left at the crime scene when he was broadcasting a football game.

An Aris Isotoner executive stated that he was sure they were the same gloves that OJ was wearing in the broadcast that were left at the crime scene.


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And here's a picture of OJ's wearing the same shoes that left a footprint at the crime scene...

In the same size that OJ wears.

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That OJ said that he didn't own a pair of.

Now these all could be coincidence's. Maybe OJ and the killer had the same taste, or maybe the LAPD planted it?

But to say that "Every" piece of circumstantial evidence was impeached is a bit of a stretch.

LAPD botched the case with forensics and also appeared to have planted evidence to make the case stick.

And that's why he was acquitted, not because he didn't do it.

But to say that anyone's 100% confident that he didn't do it should be kinda a stretch.
 
A famous quote says something to the effect of, "it's not about what you think. Its not about what you know. It's about what you can prove."

The people didn't prove he was guilty. So cacs can keep crying.
 
report says Ron and Nicole had a Colombian necktie which is cut ear to ear and tongue pulled out thru throat resembling a necktie.

Ain’t no way anyone can do that without experience especially by themselves.
Not to mention someone else dna was found on them not his.
Not to mention it was 2 separate foot prints that wasn’t his.
Not to mention the neighbor who’s white said she seen 4 men.
 
A famous quote says something to the effect of, "it's not about what you think. Its not about what you know. It's about what you can prove."

The people didn't prove he was guilty. So cacs can keep crying.

Thread title states "What do you personally believe"?

No cacs, no case and no verdict.

What do you think.

I'm not asking you, just stating what the thread's about.

And I don't know if he did it or not, but he does have the same shoes and gloves as the killer :roflmao:
 
My footprints weren’t at the crime scene.

I also don’t own a pair of Bruno Magli shoes in size 12 nor do I have a pair of Aris Isotoner gloves in a rare size XL.

But OJ did.

Here's a pic of him wearing the exact same gloves that was left at the crime scene when he was broadcasting a football game.

An Aris Isotoner executive stated that he was sure they were the same gloves that OJ was wearing in the broadcast that were left at the crime scene.


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And here's a picture of OJ's wearing the same shoes that left a footprint at the crime scene...

In the same size that OJ wears.

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That OJ said that he didn't own a pair of.

Now these all could be coincidence's. Maybe OJ and the killer had the same taste, or maybe the LAPD planted it?

But to say that "Every" piece of circumstantial evidence was impeached is a bit of a stretch.

LAPD botched the case with forensics and also appeared to have planted evidence to make the case stick.

And that's why he was acquitted, not because he didn't do it.

But to say that anyone's 100% confident that he didn't do it should be kinda a stretch.
So do you believe he could cut them the way they were cut. Meaning a Colombian necktie. ??
 
So do you believe he could cut them the way they were cut. Meaning a Colombian necktie. ??

Yes because it was a crime of passion or extreme anger. Again I'm not saying that he did it, I'm just saying that he could.

And people keep saying that it's hard to believe that one person could kill two people with one knife...

It's actually easy. Because if the person caught her from behind first it was a wrap. And once Ron ran up to help he's getting poked with the quickness.

And if he caught Ron first and she saw it, she probably ran away and got ran up on from behind and she was done for.

Both of those murders happened very quickly because it doesn't take long to get stabbed up with a knife.
 
Thread title states "What do you personally believe"?

No cacs, no case and no verdict.

What do you think.

I'm not asking you, just stating what the thread's about.

And I don't know if he did it or not, but he does have the same shoes and gloves as the killer :roflmao:

I personally believe that him being acquitted still pisses cacs off and I am A okay with that.....

And I've seen the growing number of posts on SM talking about "can we finally admit OJ did it?" After his death.....

Nope, he didn't do it. The glove didn't fit.
 
For those who believe he did it.

Do you really believe our court system in the 90's allowed a black man to murder two white people and get away with it in LA?
Thread title states "What do you personally believe"?

No cacs, no case and no verdict.

What do you think.

I'm not asking you, just stating what the thread's about.

And I don't know if he did it or not, but he does have the same shoes and gloves as the killer :roflmao:

I have absolutely no idea how the jury didn't convict him, with OJ's history of violence against her and his actions after being told he was a suspect I thought they would use that to say he has to be guilty. Nowadays with social media we've seen this same scenario play out hundreds of times when a man has murdered his wife/family, woman leaves abuser and moves on abuser can't handle it so he kills her, pretends to be innocent at first but when he thinks he is caught flees and sometimes kills himself
 
Yes because it was a crime of passion or extreme anger. Again I'm not saying that he did it, I'm just saying that he could.

And people keep saying that it's hard to believe that one person could kill two people with one knife...

It's actually easy. Because if the person caught her from behind first it was a wrap. And once Ron ran up to help he's getting poked with the quickness.

And if he caught Ron first and she saw it, she probably ran away and got ran up on from behind and she was done for.

Both of those murders happened very quickly because it doesn't take long to get stabbed up with a knife.

Yall see this right.....?

Not "I believe" or "I think" it's easy....
 
I have absolutely no idea how the jury didn't convict him, with OJ's history of violence against her and his actions after being told he was a suspect I thought they would use that to say he has to be guilty. Nowadays with social media we've seen this same scenario play out hundreds of times when a man has murdered his wife/family, woman leaves abuser and moves on abuser can't handle it so he kills her, pretends to be innocent at first but when he thinks he is caught flees and sometimes kills himself

He wasn't convicted because the evidence was tainted. The LAPD planted evidence "Oj's" blood on the sock was one example which questioned the credibility of all of the evidence that they submitted in the case.

His acquittal had nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.

That's why when people say he didn't do I just :smh:

Because we really don't know.

We do know that he had the same shoes and gloves as the killer though :roflmao:
 
I personally believe that him being acquitted still pisses cacs off and I am A okay with that.....

And I've seen the growing number of posts on SM talking about "can we finally admit OJ did it?" After his death.....

Nope, he didn't do it. The glove didn't fit.

It definitely pissed of KD and still pissed off cacs.

And at some point we have to get realistic about the glove not fitting.

The glove shrank because it was saturated in blood, plus OJ was wearing latex gloves trying to put on the glove.

And let's be honest, do we "Really" think that OJ was trying his best to put on the glove?


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Again, I don't know if he did it or not but I'm not blinded by bullshit.

If he did it he did it, if he didn't he didn't. But to act like there's no way he could've done it and nothing tying him to the crime scene is a stretch.
 
My footprints weren’t at the crime scene.

I also don’t own a pair of Bruno Magli shoes in size 12 nor do I have a pair of Aris Isotoner gloves in a rare size XL.

But OJ did.

Here's a pic of him wearing the exact same gloves that was left at the crime scene when he was broadcasting a football game.

An Aris Isotoner executive stated that he was sure they were the same gloves that OJ was wearing in the broadcast that were left at the crime scene.


prosecutor-christopher-darden-and-former-isoto.webp


And here's a picture of OJ's wearing the same shoes that left a footprint at the crime scene...

In the same size that OJ wears.

oj-simpson-wearing-bruno-magli-shoes.jpg


That OJ said that he didn't own a pair of.

Now these all could be coincidence's. Maybe OJ and the killer had the same taste, or maybe the LAPD planted it?

But to say that "Every" piece of circumstantial evidence was impeached is a bit of a stretch.

LAPD botched the case with forensics and also appeared to have planted evidence to make the case stick.

And that's why he was acquitted, not because he didn't do it.

But to say that anyone's 100% confident that he didn't do it should be kinda a stretch.
I'm not here to say he didn't but everything you said was circumstantial as fuck.

It's like saying, Dude had Nikes size 12, Oj owns Nikes size 12, so he did it!

the glove was planted and already admitted to being so, so there goes that. and the officer involved was a lying racist. that ruins all credibility with the case. as a juror, you cant believe anything after the poisoned fruit. this was a failure of the LAPD and having racist, corrupt detectives
 
OJ didn't kill them people, but he was in on it.

The police were so over zealous to get OJ they didn't go find who actually committed the murder.
 
I'm not here to say he didn't but everything you said was circumstantial as fuck.

It's like saying, Dude had Nikes size 12, Oj owns Nikes size 12, so he did it!

the glove was planted and already admitted to being so, so there goes that. and the officer involved was a lying racist. that ruins all credibility with the case. as a juror, you cant believe anything after the poisoned fruit. this was a failure of the LAPD and having racist, corrupt detectives

Hey man no argument from me. The gloves and the shoes were rare and OJ's size though.

They weren't Nike's, they were Bruno Magli's and only 299 pair had been sold in the United States.

This definitely was a failure by the LAPD. Or maybe it was justice for trying g to frame him?
 
On another note, wonder how the relationship between OJ's kids really is..
Considering the wide spread speculation that the eldest (Jason) killed the younger two's mother.
Wonder if they suspect this as well, or perhaps even confronted him about it..
Can't imagine everything's all good amongst them. Thoughts??
 
Hey man no argument from me. The gloves and the shoes were rare and OJ's size though.

They weren't Nike's, they were Bruno Magli's and only 299 pair had been sold in the United States.

This definitely was a failure by the LAPD. Or maybe it was justice for trying g to frame him?
I wear size 12 and was in la at the time. so was son. not that rare considering the neighborhood. she wasn't slain in Compton.

ha, yea if Furman didn't plant gloves, blood samples not fucked up, and him going on a racist rant, oj in jail
 
My footprints weren’t at the crime scene.

I also don’t own a pair of Bruno Magli shoes in size 12 nor do I have a pair of Aris Isotoner gloves in a rare size XL.

But OJ did.

Here's a pic of him wearing the exact same gloves that was left at the crime scene when he was broadcasting a football game.

An Aris Isotoner executive stated that he was sure they were the same gloves that OJ was wearing in the broadcast that were left at the crime scene.


prosecutor-christopher-darden-and-former-isoto.webp


And here's a picture of OJ's wearing the same shoes that left a footprint at the crime scene...

In the same size that OJ wears.

oj-simpson-wearing-bruno-magli-shoes.jpg


That OJ said that he didn't own a pair of.

Now these all could be coincidence's. Maybe OJ and the killer had the same taste, or maybe the LAPD planted it?
none of this was valid when it came to the trial because
if those were the same gloves - they would have fit him at trial - no?
:lol:

everything about the shoes were impeached because
1. there were 2 different sized sets of bloody foot prints leaving the scene - that the DA didn't present -allowing team OJ to cut them off at the knees

2. there was no bloody shoe found
but they found bloody socks in his bedroom? ok

3 the shoe prints found in the Bronco were disregarded because
a. passenger side was location of collection
b. the various impossible blood splatter collected in the truck

the weird thing about the bronco is - initially -the first exam collected blood traces that matched to OJ, were found on the drivers side and passenger side - nothing else
- but later they find Nicole and Ron blood matches were found -only on the passenger side and in places impossible to reach unless the interior was disassembled



But to say that "Every" piece of circumstantial evidence was impeached is a bit of a stretch.

LAPD botched the case with forensics and also appeared to have planted evidence to make the case stick.

And that's why he was acquitted, not because he didn't do it.

But to say that anyone's 100% confident that he didn't do it should be kinda a stretch.
its a fact that in that trial every piece of circumstantial evidence was impeached

1. in addition to the "non naturally occurring " or "physically impossible" evidence -
LAPD had broken chain of custody for multiple pieces of evidence. -including OJ voluntary blood sample and much of the evidence collected at OJ house - eg. one detective kept the sample at his house for a weekend

If the chain of custody has been broken or tampered with, evidence can be ruled as inadmissible, meaning it cannot be presented or believed to be authentic in a court of law and therefore cannot be used to convict a defendant.

2. The defense presented to the jury LAPD evidence room logs including descriptions of condition
along with then putting cops on the stand to try to explain how why multiple logged evidence items
in the OJ trial had disappeared completely -
or worse, others were clearly tampered and or altered from the condition they were in when originally logged


If you want to argue that OJ got a pair of hitmen -ok
but its not a stretch when there is no viable evidence that physically puts OJ at the scene that night

1. weeks after the murder a detective - not crime scene tech, but a detective finds OJ blood splatter in the court yard
but when analysed it is incontrovertible that the blood came out of a collection vial not a body

2. the condition of gloves and socks is not possible if being worn when bloodied

3. OJ had a cut on his finger - no bruising no defensive wounds vs Ron n Nicole have extensive defensive wounds
 
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