Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warriors

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Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs
MAY 28, 2015 1:36 PM


The Cleveland Cavaliers ranked just 18th in defensive rating during the regular season, but they became a vastly improved side on that end of the floor following the acquisition of Timofey Mozgov.

During the playoffs, the Cavaliers have become even better on defense, allowing 101.9 points per 100 possessions during 14 games against the Boston Celtics, Chicago Bulls and Atlanta Hawks.

The Golden State Warriors were the best team in the regular season on the defensive end, allowing 101.4 points per 100 possessions. In the playoffs, they're also allowing 101.4 points per 100 possessions.

On the offensive end, the Cavaliers scored 111.1 points per 100 possessions, which ranked third in the regular behind the Warriors at 111.6.

The playoffs is heavily skewed by the quality of the competition.

Regular Season (Off / Def / EDiff)

Warriors: 111.6 / 101.4 / 10.3

Cavaliers: 111.1 / 106.3 / 4.8

Playoffs (Off / Def / EDiff)

Warriors: 109.9 / 101.4 / 8.5

Cavaliers: 111.5 / 101.9 / 9.7

 

[BrownTurd]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Road Rage got some explaining to do

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

It's a retarded stat I'd rather see how they played vs relevant teams, specifically how the Warriors looked vs half court set teams that can both shoot from the outside and attack the rim.. These types of stats are the same type that had people picking the Broncos over the Seahawks and OKC over the Heat..
Always remember if you have a good run and gun team, in any sport, their overall number will be somewhat skewed due to the fact that most teams do not have the proper personal to match them..
Also due to injuries and their poor start the Cavs numbers are very skewed also..
This is why I place way more stock in their head to head match up, not so much in who won but how their styles matched up..

 

[MrBee]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Blah Blah Blah Blah...Who ya bettin on?

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

As far as offensive numbers, it's much easier to score in the West when teams push the ball up instead of having to crash the boards vs bigger teams in the East..
It's like a team that passes 75% of the time vs a team that always run..
But white boys and nerds will never get it because they don't play the game and fail to understand all the variables involved with properly interpreting sports data.

 

[BrownTurd]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

It's a retarded stat I'd rather see how they played vs relevant teams, specifically how the Warriors looked vs half court set teams that can both shoot from the outside and attack the rim.. These types of stats are the same type that had people picking the Broncos over the Seahawks and OKC over the Heat..
Always remember if you have a good run and gun team, in any sport, their overall number will be somewhat skewed due to the fact that most teams do not have the proper personal to match them..
Also due to injuries and their poor start the Cavs numbers are very skewed also..
This is why I place way more stock in their head to head match up, not so much in who won but how their styles matched up..

Naw bruh. You were talking mad noise about Golden State not having a defense but the stats show they are better and they played a lot better competition.

You also stated that they were not a half court team but the score most of their points in the half court.

 

[kinglickk]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Stats can't shoot or defend. Players do that at game time. Everything in amerikkka is over analyzed.

 

[curryshotta]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

The Cavs have been a great defensive team for quite some time now....

Anyone questioning this has not been watching the games.....

and based on the discussions I see in the basketball threads I have no doubt many of you dont

 

[BDR]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

It's a retarded stat I'd rather see how they played vs relevant teams, specifically how the Warriors looked vs half court set teams that can both shoot from the outside and attack the rim.. These types of stats are the same type that had people picking the Broncos over the Seahawks and OKC over the Heat..
Always remember if you have a good run and gun team, in any sport, their overall number will be somewhat skewed due to the fact that most teams do not have the proper personal to match them..
Also due to injuries and their poor start the Cavs numbers are very skewed also..
This is why I place way more stock in their head to head match up, not so much in who won but how their styles matched up..

Don't do that bruh because during the heat run of the last 4 years there were teams that owned the heat in the reg season head to head match ups and you didn't put into stock into reg season victories against the heat so why do it now that it's the cavs?

 

[BrownTurd]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Damn beatdown been on fire lately

 

[curryshotta]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Don't do that bruh because during the heat run of the last 4 years there were teams that owned the heat in the reg season head to head match ups and you didn't put into stock into reg season victories against the heat so why do it now that it's the cavs?

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Naw bruh. You were talking mad noise about Golden State not having a defense but the stats show they are better and they played a lot better competition.

You also stated that they were not a half court team but the score most of their points in the half court.

I said they are not a good defensive team... If you look at them vs teams that have the personnel to exploit their weaknesses they failed..
Let me dumb this down for you, there are two ways games are won and lost,
1- Due to a team out playing or playing better
2- Due to a team not being able to match up against another team..

Now look at this video very well, and look at how the Warriors matched up, and asked yourself what could/should they have done differently...
If you can't see how LeBron was reading their defense and because of the match up deficiencies the Warriors was basically choosing their poison..
The Cavs players knew it, and the game outcome was never in doubt, basically they was playing cat and mouse with them... It looks more like they lost because they couldn't beat them rather than losing just because they had a off night or the Cavs playing much better that day..
To me throw out stats, this is a big red flag that the Warriors have to address..

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Don't do that bruh because during the heat run of the last 4 years there were teams that owned the heat in the reg season head to head match ups and you didn't put into stock into reg season victories against the heat so why do it now that it's the cavs?

The Heat never put that much stock into teams in their division, knowing they would face them in the playoffs, but name a good team from the West they pussy foot around????
They played tough vs the Spurs, OKC, the Lakers, Blazers, Memphis, and all the top teams in the West just to send messages.. The only time they would back down is if it was some back to back or traveling hardship. Likewise the Cavs with LeBron this year, they have dominated the Western teams, sending the same message, while not going full throttle vs the Eastern teams..

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Think about this, I predicted just two Warriors games this season... Its on BGOL so its not like I am making shit up...
Vs Bulls and vs the Cavs, both games I predicted a loss, and the reason why they lost both games was exactly the same reason why predicted, due to them having problems with the bigger team and their half court sets.
The played many other games winning some losing some, but those were the only games I saw them losing due to match up problems...

 

[godofwine]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

It's a retarded stat I'd rather see how they played vs relevant teams, specifically how the Warriors looked vs half court set teams that can both shoot from the outside and attack the rim.. These types of stats are the same type that had people picking the Broncos over the Seahawks and OKC over the Heat..
Always remember if you have a good run and gun team, in any sport, their overall number will be somewhat skewed due to the fact that most teams do not have the proper personal to match them..
Also due to injuries and their poor start the Cavs numbers are very skewed also..
This is why I place way more stock in their head to head match up, not so much in who won but how their styles matched up..

This is why my money is on the Cavs, not just because it is my hometown. We played the Warriors after we got the team together (Mosgov, Shumpert, JR Swish) and we dominated. Shumpert was still hurt (shoulder), and though we had Love and a healthy Kyrie, JR Smith and Shumpert had 4 points between them and that won't happen again. Bogut is a non-factor against Mozgov, vut can we make Curry uncomfortable?

 

[daking181]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Anybody who has watched the Warriors during the playoffs would know this..

Hubie Brown mentioned it 4-5 times a game

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

This is why my money is on the Cavs, not just because it is my hometown. We played the Warriors after we got the team together (Mosgov, Shumpert, JR Swish) and we dominated. Shumpert was still hurt (shoulder), and though we had Love and a healthy Kyrie, JR Smith and Shumpert had 4 points between them and that won't happen again. Bogut is a non-factor against Mozgov, vut can we make Curry uncomfortable?

Don't get it twisted, I am by no means saying that its impossible for the Warriors to win, I am saying that the degree of dificulty for them winning is much greater and unless they are some how able to win the battle on the boards I don't see them winning...

 

[mozartte]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Cavs in 5.

 

[ron_mexico]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

I said they are not a good defensive team... If you look at them vs teams that have the personnel to exploit their weaknesses they failed..
Let me dumb this down for you, there are two ways games are won and lost,
1- Due to a team out playing or playing better
2- Due to a team not being able to match up against another team..

Now look at this video very well, and look at how the Warriors matched up, and asked yourself what could/should they have done differently...
If you can't see how LeBron was reading their defense and because of the match up deficiencies the Warriors was basically choosing their poison..
The Cavs players knew it, and the game outcome was never in doubt, basically they was playing cat and mouse with them... It looks more like they lost because they couldn't beat them rather than losing just because they had a off night or the Cavs playing much better that day..
To me throw out stats, this is a big red flag that the Warriors have to address..

Question bruh. What type of match up problems do you think GS will face if Green ends being Lebron's primary defender. I didn't watch that whole clip but if memory serves me correctly, Iguadalo and Barnes mostly matched up against Lebron that night.

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

I tell you another giant red flag, the Warriors had plus 19 in rebounds and Houston had like 20 turn overs and for most of the game they were only up by a few points..
No way is the Cavs going to come close to giving up that many rebounds and have that many turnovers plus they are a much better scoring team than the Rockets..
Remember that teams like the Warrior and Hawks defenses (teams that like to play small and pack the paint by rotating fast and collapsing on people dribbling in the paint) are susceptible to teams with good ball handlers who can penetrate off the dribble and pass off the dribble along with wing shooters who can catch and shoot once the defense collapses..
Teams like the Rockets and Memphis don't have good dribblers and people who can penetrate plus their outside shooting is average.. This allows the Warriors to go small and quck swarming on the bigs in the paint, getting tons of turnovers..
Simply put, that shit don't work vs the Cavs and if you know anything about basketball and ever played you can look at the video to see why...

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Question bruh. What type of match up problems do you think GS will face if Green ends being Lebron's primary defender. I didn't watch that whole clip but if memory serves me correctly. Iguadalo and Barnes mostly matched up against Lebron that night.

Green can't stick him one on one... Look at the tape, LeBon demanded a iso and blew by him time after time...
Also by putting Green in they can pull James out, forcing GS to stay big, or face the prospect of having no rim protectors..
Now if they decide to go big, then the Cavs could go really big by putting both Mozgov and Thompson in at the same time... If that happens the Warriors would be forced to play more half court, and advantage Cavs..

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Remember to beat a LeBron James team, you have to 1- be able to pack the paint with biggies, and 2- have a premier one on one specialist to guard him...
Him not having shooter to pull the defenders out the paint helps..
Now if you look at the Warriors defense they have none of the above..

 

[Brother Blues]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Cavs in 5.

Show some respect....maybe 6,then again...if Thompson is out...sweep?

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Show some respect....maybe 6,then again...if Thompson is out...sweep?

I really cant see Thompson missing more than a game, if that much.. But them again I know very little about concussions, I had one after also getting kneed in the head and immediately thought I was good soon after but then everything started moving in slow motion... It took a day for me to shake it off, and I can't imagine anything like that lasting over two weeks..

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Remember to beat a LeBron James team, you have to 1- be able to pack the paint with biggies, and 2- have a premier one on one specialist to guard him...
Him not having shooter to pull the defenders out the paint helps..
Now if you look at the Warriors defense they have none of the above..

Who defended Lebron one on one when they lost to the Mavericks in the Finals?

 

[ron_mexico]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Green can't stick him one on one... Look at the tape, LeBon demanded a iso and blew by him time after time...
Also by putting Green in they can pull James out, forcing GS to stay big, or face the prospect of having no rim protectors..
Now if they decide to go big, then the Cavs could go really big by putting both Mozgov and Thompson in at the same time... If that happens the Warriors would be forced to play more half court, and advantage Cavs..

Sounds good to me.

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Who defended Lebron one on one when they lost to the Mavericks in the Finals?

Remember the Mavs was getting their asses handed to them until they went to the zone. So they played the zone with two 7 footers, and that Heat team did not have the players to bust the zone.. You loosen the zone with outside shooters, and being that they didn't have any deep threats they were forced to drive into the teeth of the defense that featured two 7 footers..
Now as soon as they got their outside shooters no team was dumb enough to play zone against them...

 

[Llano]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Is the finals series format still 2-3-1-1? If so, i like the Cavs a little bit more because I can see them stealing a game in one of the first 2 games at GS. If they steal a game, that will be some good momentum to have playing 3 straight in cleveland. This Warriors on paper are the better team but this is uncharted territory for all their players with no Finals experience.

 

[RoadRage]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Sounds good to me.

Yeah it sounds good, but the game is played on the court, so lets see how they execute and see how it plays out..

 

[ron_mexico]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Is the finals series format still 2-3-1-1? If so, i like the Cavs a little bit more because I can see them stealing a game in one of the first 2 games at GS. If they steal a game, that will be some good momentum to have playing 3 straight in cleveland. This Warriors on paper are the better team but this is uncharted territory for all their players with no Finals experience.

It's 2-2-1-1-1 this year.

Yeah it sounds good, but the game is played on the court, so lets see how they execute and see how it plays out..

True...I just hope your right. But at least I can take your breakdown and run with it..

 

[godofwine]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Don't get it twisted, I am by no means saying that its impossible for the Warriors to win, I am saying that the degree of dificulty for them winning is much greater and unless they are some how able to win the battle on the boards I don't see them winning...

Yeah, if Tristan stays out of foul trouble the battle of the boards goes straight to Cleveland. AND the untold side of Tristan's game is the people who foul him battling for position that he has. Now if only he was a better foul shooter....

 

[BrownTurd]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Road Rage full of shit and still has not answered the question about the Cavs bench. Please explain to us how the Cavs are going to beat Golden State with a bench of Jr. Smith, Dell, and James Jones.

Let me dumb it down for you since you tried to use that slick talking earlier.

The Cavs starting line up is

Kyrie
Shump
Lebron
Thompson
Mogzov

with a bench of Jr. Smith, Dellevedova, and James Jones. So lets break this down

You have no one to sub for Thompson or Mozgov as the cavs have no back up center or power forward. The only bench player that you have is JR Smith.

Golden State plays outstanding team defense because the stats don't lie but you want to ignore it. Golden State has played better teams and still has better defensive stats than the Cavs and there is no denying that.

With the way Golden State plays defense are you really putting all your hopes on JR Smith? Because when you look at your starting lineup Thompson, Shump and Mozgov can't score.

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Warriors in 6

 

[Spectrum]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

Warriors were the #1 ranked team on both sides of the ball. I've mentioned this before. They can defend any type of team as they have the personnel. That's not the issue.

The biggest issue the Warriors have is that they're extremely careless with the ball. That's where the Cavs need to exploit that and get it out on the break during the turnovers but otherwise slow the game down.

The Warriors are about as complete of a team that you can have... so exploit the turnover problems and also exploit the fact they havent been to the big stage before..so they'll likely to make mistakes late in games like OKC did against the Heat.

 

[Spectrum]

Re: Warriors, Cavaliers Efficiency In Regular Season / Playoffs...ummm advantage Warr

You have no one to sub for Thompson or Mozgov as the cavs have no back up center or power forward. .

This is the key battle of the series. The starting front line for the Cavs absolutely must stay out of foul trouble. A good thing for the Cavs is that the Warriors shoot a lot of jump shots with takes pressure off the front line.