Voter Suppression ((Supreme Court Just . . .))

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Activists says, Wrong Group Targeted For Help




Voting rights “evangelist” Faye Anderson says advocates who’ve been protesting new state photo voter ID laws have it all wrong. When voting rights advocates prop up elderly voters who might be disenfranchised because they may not have the correct form of ID, or the necessary documents to obtain proper voting ID, these are the wrong avatars for the campaigns.

“Advocates have done themselves a disservice by bringing up these 80- and 90-year-old voters. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Those are not the votes who are disproportionately impacted by voter ID laws</span>,” said Anderson in a phone interview. “As an advocate you want to influence public opinion and you’re not influencing them if you are putting up the faces of 80- and 90-year-old voters.”

Elderly voters losing out on voter participation is a very real thing, as evidenced recently in Wisconsin. But instead, she says <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">advocates should be focused on voters who resemble her: A middle-aged New York transplant living in Philadelphia, who commutes up and down the East Coast, traveling without a driver’s license.</span>

Like many New Yorkers, Anderson doesn’t drive so she doesn’t need one. She has a non-driver’s photo identification from New York, and other than that she has a passport. It wasn’t easy getting a New York ID, Anderson told me, and she’s concerned chiefly with women like her who might also have troubles getting the ID they need to vote, especially if they’ve been recently married, divorced or if they’ve moved, all of which could lead to name and address mismatches on Election Day.


Rather than simply moan about these problems, though, Anderson decided to link up with some web developers to create the Cost of Freedom online application, which would give voters detailed information on where to find documents like birth and marriage certificates, where those offices are located, and how late they stay open. There are a number of organizations that provide similar maps -- the NAACP, the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights, and the National Conference of State Legislatures to name a few -- but Anderson said her application will be more user-friendly because voters can find information based off their zip code -- a sort of Yelp! for voting-related locations.​


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Meanwhile . . .



<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American</span>
By Matthew Vadum




Why are left-wing activist groups so keen on registering the poor to vote?

Because they know the poor can be counted on to vote themselves more benefits by electing redistributionist politicians. Welfare recipients are particularly open to demagoguery and bribery.

Registering them to vote is like handing out burglary tools to criminals. It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country -- which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote.

A decade before the Motor-Voter law that required states to register voters at welfare offices was enacted, NAACP official Joe Madison explained the political economy of voter registration drives.

"When people are standing in line to get cheese and butter or unemployment compensation, you don't have to tell them how to vote," said Madison, now a radio talk show host in Washington, D.C. "They know how to vote."

Like Madison, Barack Obama grasped this basic truth when he worked for ACORN's Project Vote affiliate in 1992.

"All our people must know that politics and voting affects their lives directly," the future president said. "If we're registering people in public housing, for an example, we talk about aid cuts and who's responsible."

Encouraging those who burden society to participate in elections isn't about helping the poor. It's about helping the poor to help themselves to others' money. It's about raw so-called social justice. It's about moving America ever farther away from the small-government ideals of the Founding Fathers.

Registering the unproductive to vote is an idea that was heavily promoted by the small-c communists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, as I write in my new book, Subversion Inc.: How Obama's ACORN Red Shirts are Still Terrorizing and Ripping Off American Taxpayers.

In an infamous 1966 Nation magazine article, the radical university professors urged that the welfare apparatus be used to destroy the American system. Borrowing a phrase the ultra-leftist Leon Trotsky used in one of his many anti-Stalin tracts, The Platform of the Joint Opposition (1927), they titled their blueprint for radical change "The Weight of the Poor."

By "weight," Cloward, Piven, and Trotsky meant power or influence. All three wanted to use the poor as a battering ram against the systems they sought to overthrow.

Trotsky thought too many bureaucrats and middle-class people were involved in the Soviet Communist Party and that it was moving too slowly in its efforts to change that society. He wanted more poor people in the party in order to overthrow Stalin's obstructionist bureaucracy and clear the way for "true" communism.

Stateside, Cloward and Piven wanted to use the "weight" of the poor to bring down American capitalism and democracy.

These apostles of depravity proposed swamping the welfare rolls of states and localities by encouraging people to exercise their welfare "rights" by applying for public benefits. The theory was that newly cash-strapped state and local governments would demand a bailout from Congress. The fiscal rescue package would take the form of a European-style guaranteed annual income scheme that would drive America well down the road to full-blown socialism.

Enlisting the organizing expertise of Saul Alinsky and other veteran community organizers, Cloward and Piven created ACORN's parent organization, the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO), to execute their plan.

The Cloward-Piven Strategy almost succeeded.

Liberal Republican governors such as New York's Nelson Rockefeller and Michigan's George Romney quickly surrendered under steady assault from NWRO organizers. Burgeoning welfare caseloads brought New York City to the brink of bankruptcy in the 1970s, a fact acknowledged two decades later by then-mayor Rudy Giuliani.

Giuliani blamed the "perverted social philosophy" of Cloward and Piven. "New York City viewed welfare as a good thing, as a wonderful thing. They romanticized it and embraced a philosophy of dependency."

Throughout the late 1960s and early 1970s, political support grew for a guaranteed annual income plan. President Nixon supported the proposal and it came within a hair's breadth of passing Congress in 1972.

The movement was aided by Goldberg v. Kelly, a monstrously wrongheaded piece of judge-made law. In the landmark 1970 decision, the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 3 that the "brutal need" of a poor welfare recipient outweighed society's interest in trying to prevent welfare fraud.

Goldberg stated that welfare recipients were entitled to an evidentiary hearing before an impartial decision-maker at which they could call and confront witnesses. They were also entitled to receive a written, reasoned opinion before being deprived of benefits.

The court absurdly declared that a welfare recipient had a "property" interest in welfare and that this interest deserved due process protections when the government wanted to take that so-called property away. With the ruling, welfare effectively ceased to be a gratuity that could be granted and withdrawn at the discretion of the government.

The liberal Justice William Brennan considered Goldberg to be the most momentous decision of his career on the high court bench, according to David Frum in How We Got Here: the 70's, the Decade that Brought You Modern Life -- For Better or Worse. Brennan was "quite right," Frum observed.

In the end Cloward and Piven didn't get exactly what they wanted, but they knew they were onto something.

Their next step was outlined in a 1983 article titled "Toward a Class-Based Realignment of American Politics: A Movement Strategy," which ran in ACORN's magazine, Social Policy. The two professors might as well have named it "The Weight of the Poor -- Part Two."

This new iteration of their strategy called for the continued use of the poor as a cudgel against the American system. The unregistered poor were "rocks lyin' around," said Jesse Jackson during his ACORN-endorsed presidential run in 1984.

The Marxist duo said "massive numbers of new voters" had to be registered.

[E]nlisting millions of new and politicized voters is the way to create an electoral environment hospitable to fundamental change in American society. An enlarged and politicized electorate will sustain and encourage the movements in American society that are already working for the rights of women and minorities, for the protection of the social programs, and for transformation of foreign policy. Equally important, an enlarged and politicized electorate will foster and protect future mass movements from the bottom that the ongoing economic crisis is likely to generate, thus opening American politics to solutions to the economic crisis that express the interests of the lower strata of the population ... The objective is to accelerate the dealigning forces already at work in American politics, and to promote party realignment along class lines.

Cloward and Piven's long campaign to bring vast numbers of unproductive people into the political process culminated in the 1993 enactment of the Motor-Voter law. That law turned welfare offices into voter registration centers and encouraged nonprofit groups to conduct registration drives. It also opened the door to massive voter fraud.

The Founders anticipated redistributionist attacks on the Constitution. As Benjamin Franklin supposedly said, "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

With the help of Cloward, Piven, Alinsky, and Obama, we're well on our way.

Matthew Vadum is an investigative journalist in Washington, D.C. His new book, Subversion Inc., was published in May, 2011.​



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Everyone doesn't have a driver's license and demanding one(since they aren't free) is the equivalent of a poll tax, which is illegal.
There are people who go their whole lives living in their same community that live a cash only lifestyle. But even those people have the right to vote if registered.
If states gave out free id cards and made them readily available, I would have no argument with it.

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Everyone doesn't have a driver's license and demanding one(since they aren't free) is the equivalent of a poll tax, which is illegal.
There are people who go their whole lives living in their same community that live a cash only lifestyle. But even those people have the right to vote if registered.
If states gave out free id cards and made them readily available, I would have no argument with it.

Thank you for finally showing up. Drop some bread crumbs for Get You Hot, Gunner, and Dmain Event.

It was already posted on the main board about the 93 year old who is in the voter id lawsuit. DKos did a front page on it with more info:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...mess-with-93-year-old-ladies-in-Pennsylvania-
 

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Y'all know my political leanings, but I have some conflict about this as well. The Voter Id cards were made for a reason, and I don't see much of a need to go beyond that. HOWEVER, this is the same government that wants to force people to buy a product or pay a fine, so I see it as VERY inconsistent that that you can't get a form of ID. I have a funny feeling that those who are "too poor" to have an ID most likely have some ID to get services that they don't pay for.
 

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Y'all know my political leanings, but I have some conflict about this as well. The Voter Id cards were made for a reason, and I don't see much of a need to go beyond that. HOWEVER, this is the same government that wants to force people to buy a product or pay a fine, so I see it as VERY inconsistent that that you can't get a form of ID. I have a funny feeling that those who are "too poor" to have an ID most likely have some ID to get services that they don't pay for.


You are 100% factually incorrect in your thought process. There is a 4.6 ton decaying elephant carcass in your living room called “voter suppression” which is what this thread is-all-about — and you can’t see it or smell it??? — amazing!!

The RepubliKlans strategy for victory has always been “voter suppression”. As “turd blossom” Karl Rove said last month — he said to an audience that if republiklans were able to quash the Black vote in 2008 by 4% then McCain palin would be in the white house.

In Texas the republiklans issued a law that allowed anyone with a state issued gun permit to use that gun permit as voter identification — BUT if you have a state issued (UT) University of Texas identification which is issued to more than 190,000 students, that ID is invalid for use as voter identification. The US Justice department had to take the state of Texas to court and sue them under the 1965 voters rights act to stop this obvious “voter suppression” tactic.

In other states republiklans have enacted laws which prohibit state issued ID’s which have the owner’s picture on them from being used as voter ID. In hundreds of cases you have individuals who work at the State capitols, cleaning or doing security, who use the state issued ID’s to enter the building and get pass security who are being told that their state issued ID with the rfid chip is no good for voting. They can use this card to clean the state senators office & bathroom at night but they can't vote for him in the day.

In Georgia elderly citizens who have been voting for 50 years and have no access to getting a birth certificate because they were born in a deep rural area during <s>Jim Crow</s> American Apartheid , are turned away at the polls because they don’t have and can’t get a voter ID card, without a so-called “registered birth certificate. One of the ladies pulled out her Bank of America credit card which had her picture embedded on the front, but was told NO you can’t vote.

So yes people have all types of picture ID, even poor people who don’t have a drivers license or US passport. I’ve seen some state ‘food stamp’ cards that have the owners picture embedded right on the card. But the republiklans are not interested in making voting as easy as possible. They want to suppress as much of the Black vote, the Latino vote, the youth vote, the elderly vote, the “Urban” vote as they can. Look at the latest election poll dynamics HERE

The only demographic Romney leads Obama in is in men over the age of 50

As far as the RepubliKlan propaganda about them making special state "voter ID" cards free; this too is just more deliberate lies. To get an official state issued Voter ID you have get a registered copy of your birth certificate —(that costs money, in my state it's $30)— then you have to go to the states dept. of motor vehicles, submit your paperwork and then get your "free" ID. Guess what? In many parts of my state, New York where none of this voter suppression bullshit applies the nearest motor vehicle office can be 50-70 miles away. So in the RepubliKlan controlled states that are applying these voter suppression tactics this is nothing more than a revivification of THE POLL TAX which was outlawed in the 1960's

<div align="left"><!-- MSTableType="layout" --><img src="http://www.jillstanek.com/blackwell.jpg" width="250"align="left"></div>Yes the republiklans stole Ohio in 2004 with the assistance of coon
Ken Blackwell

The Mike Connell story was censored by the corporate "media of mass deception"; most people never heard about the republiklans led by Karl Rove flipping kerry votes for bushit on the computers. Kerry was such a punk, probably had some "skull & bones" fraternity pledge with bushit, that he just rolled over and took the fucking.




Voter suppression is a core RepubliKlan strategy; they enunciate this reality openly and shamelessly. Most of the "corporate media" gives them a free pass on these voter suppression tactics.

We now know that in 2004 in Ohio during the BuShit/ Kerry election that the Black vote was suppressed by the Ohio republiklans by all-means-available.

One of the tactics was to only have a few voting machines placed in heavily Black areas of Ohio. This meant that the waiting time to vote in Black Ohio areas was up to 7 hours. Meanwhile in the white suburbs there were so many voting machines that the maximum voting time was 20 minutes.

The RepubliKlan Ohio secretary of state controlled this process; and he was a black republiklan named Ken Blackwell.

Read about coon Blackwell & the RepubliKlans stole Ohio in 2004 HERE

So voter suppression is not a trivial matter, its a tactic that allows RepubliKlans to steal elections that they have actually lost.
Voter ID cards is a critical weapon in the RepubliKlan effort to disenfranchise as many possible Democratic party voters as possible.

They had an election in France yesterday, 80% voter turnout, no stealing of the vote possible because they use paper ballots. Like Germany in France anything other than paper ballots is illegal.


 
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Thanks for your reply, Muck. Several of the statements you made were eye opening, particuarly about Texas. You had mentioned several states did this type of thing. Could you name them ?
 

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Voter Suppression Measures Passed Since 2011


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Voter Suppression 101
How Conservatives Are Conspiring to Disenfranchise Millions of Americans

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GO TO- http://www.protectingthevote.com/

GO TO-http://www.democrats.org/pdf/vri/Reversal_in_Progress

 

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Y'all know my political leanings, but I have some conflict about this as well. The Voter Id cards were made for a reason, and I don't see much of a need to go beyond that. HOWEVER, this is the same government that wants to force people to buy a product or pay a fine, so I see it as VERY inconsistent that that you can't get a form of ID. I have a funny feeling that those who are "too poor" to have an ID most likely have some ID to get services that they don't pay for.

Yeah, like student IDs, which wouldn't be enough in some states.

Republicans have framed this exceptionally well and use most middle class and upper class people's lack of interaction with genuine poor people to their political advantage.
 

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Stupid thing I overheard while voting today

There were three elderly White folks ahead of me, a couple and a single man. When the single guy got up to give his name (you have to tell them your name and address) he looked in the book and says "It's right there". The volunteer told him he would still have to say it out loud. The married lady said "It might seem funny but it's a good check to make sure someone doesn't just read off your name". The single guy responded "Yep. It's better than...", he trailed off. Then, to show how well the Republicans have their people trained and bamboozled, he says "I don't see a reason why everyone can't have an ID card." Nods from the volunteers and the married lady (the husband didn't add much, I found out he was hard of hearing).

Uh, hello dummies. Between the three of them they must have been voting since at least Nixon and they haven't needed an ID and they didnt need one now so why is it such a hot shit idea? I just :smh: and went about my business.

I voted against a "marriage protection" amendment to the NC Constitution.
 

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Real voter suppression is this Jim Crow 2 shit this government has been doing for the last 40 years. In some areas, 30 percent of black men cannot vote. It has nothing to do with them going to get an ID. Getting a state issued ID isn't hard to do. In fact, you need an ID to get some of the benefits poor people get.

Why is it only poor democrats would be affected by going to get a state ID? Couldn't the same tactics used to suppress the democrat vote be used to suppress the republican vote? There are enough poor whites who are tricked into voting republican. Why aren't they affected?

I don't think I know an adult human being without state identification. Who does that shit?
 

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Real voter suppression is this Jim Crow 2 shit this government has been doing for the last 40 years. In some areas, 30 percent of black men cannot vote. It has nothing to do with them going to get an ID. Getting a state issued ID isn't hard to do. In fact, you need an ID to get some of the benefits poor people get.

Why is it only poor democrats would be affected by going to get a state ID? Couldn't the same tactics used to suppress the democrat vote be used to suppress the republican vote? There are enough poor whites who are tricked into voting republican. Why aren't they affected?

I don't think I know an adult human being without state identification. Who does that shit?

Worked in many campaigns and GOTV efforts ? ? ?
 

gene cisco

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Worked in many campaigns and GOTV efforts ? ? ?

So why does it work?

What makes a poor republican more likely to get state identification when compared to a poor democrat? Why can't people stop republicans from voting using the same methods? :confused:
 

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Re: Right-Wing Voter Suppression Effort Caught Using Doctored Photo

So why does it work?

What makes a poor republican more likely to get state identification when compared to a poor democrat? Why can't people stop republicans from voting using the same methods? :confused:

I don't know that poor republicans are more likely to get state identification when compared to poor democrats. Do they ??? Who says ???

I don't know that poor republicans even vote, at least in the same numbers that poor blacks do. Do they ???

I don't know that poll workers even question the identity of poor republicans. Do they ??? Seriously.

If they don't, maybe they're worried that poll workers in minority hoods don't either ???

Maybe poll workers in poor white republican wards are really the ones commiting voter fraud and republicans are afraid that poll workers in poor black wards should be doing the same, if they knew how easy it is to sway elections that way ???

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I asked whether you have much experience in GOTV activities because, drawing from my own experience with same, a lot of the poor black voters that I've seen being hurt by the voter ID laws aren't on public assistance requiring the kinds of ID required by the voter ID laws.
 

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The supposition that “poor whites” predominately voted for the RepubliKlans is false. What however is astounding is the fact the due to incessant right-wing propaganda —(Rush, Hannity, Savage, Beck, <s>FOX</s> Fake News) — 40% of them vote against their own interest for the RepubliKlans. If the concerted RepubliKlan efforts at voter suppression also stifle “poor white” voters, the result is beneficial for the RepubliKlans.




Poor Whites Voted For Obama


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Inside Obama's Sweeping Victory

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......Obama won a huge majority among those with low or moderate annual incomes (60% of those making less than $50,000 a year).....


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Real voter suppression is this Jim Crow 2 shit this government has been doing for the last 40 years. In some areas, 30 percent of black men cannot vote. It has nothing to do with them going to get an ID. Getting a state issued ID isn't hard to do. In fact, you need an ID to get some of the benefits poor people get.

Why is it only poor democrats would be affected by going to get a state ID? Couldn't the same tactics used to suppress the democrat vote be used to suppress the republican vote? There are enough poor whites who are tricked into voting republican. Why aren't they affected?

I don't think I know an adult human being without state identification. Who does that shit?

Gene
You are seriously underthinking and overthinking this at the same time and that's an incredible feat.

None of that hypothetical stuff matters. The safeguards against voter fraud, from the level of voters, has been proven pretty safe so this is an attack on voting rights.
I agree on the way they attack the voting rights of Black men but there is no rule saying we can't fight both battles.
 

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Re: Right-Wing Voter Suppression Effort Caught Using Doctored Photo

I don't know that poor republicans are more likely to get state identification when compared to poor democrats. Do they ??? Who says ???

I don't know that poor republicans even vote, at least in the same numbers that poor blacks do. Do they ???

I don't know that poll workers even question the identity of poor republicans. Do they ??? Seriously.

If they don't, maybe they're worried that poll workers in minority hoods don't either ???

Maybe poll workers in poor white republican wards are really the ones commiting voter fraud and republicans are afraid that poll workers in poor black wards should be doing the same, if they knew how easy it is to sway elections that way ???

________________

I asked whether you have much experience in GOTV activities because, drawing from my own experience with same, a lot of the poor black voters that I've seen being hurt by the voter ID laws aren't on public assistance requiring the kinds of ID required by the voter ID laws.


Oops. I read your comment wrong. I didn't know you were asking me about GOTV campaigns. No, I haven't worked in any.

I have worked with poor black folks before. When I was in IT years ago, I conducted IT workshops in the community. Adults had to have an ID to get in the center(verify they were from the city). We had no problems with such a policy. No one questioned the policy. As far as I know, many centers in the "hood" operate in the same manner. This whole "no ID" thing is foreign to me.

No bank account? cool. Even if you are working a temp job(many require ID when you sign up) for minimum wage, you need a state ID to cash your check at the Arab store. If you aren't on public assistance, then you are working somewhere. How the hell are they cashing checks? Hell, landlords may require ID when filling out rent applications.
 

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Gene
You are seriously underthinking and overthinking this at the same time and that's an incredible feat.

None of that hypothetical stuff matters. The safeguards against voter fraud, from the level of voters, has been proven pretty safe so this is an attack on voting rights.
I agree on the way they attack the voting rights of Black men but there is no rule saying we can't fight both battles.

May be I am. You go to vote and produce a valid state ID. What is so hard about that? What am I missing? You need a valid state ID to open a bank account.

Don't have one?

You need one to cash a check at the arab store or the payday loan place?

Don't do that?

You need a state ID for public assistance.

Don't do that?

Then what are these folks doing? How are they living in 2012?
 

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May be I am. You go to vote and produce a valid state ID. What is so hard about that? What am I missing? You need a valid state ID to open a bank account.

Don't have one?

You need one to cash a check at the arab store or the payday loan place?

Don't do that?

You need a state ID for public assistance.

Don't do that?

Then what are these folks doing? How are they living in 2012?

They're living without state ID because they don't need it.

Maybe because I'm working and going through poorer communities all the time I see things most people don't or won't. But I see the check cashing places all the time that advertise "No ID needed" I personally didn't get a state ID until I was 20, 21 yrs old and I had had two jobs and two active bank accounts. There are people who do most of their business within walking distance of their homes and they live mainly through cash or whatever govt assistance where you just have to swipe your card with no one asking for ID.
And on top of those real life circumstances, voting is a right, opening a bank account or cashing a check or using your debit/credit card aren't rights.
That's the trick in this whole thing. They're appealing to the ignorance of the middle class to the true lifestyle of the poor and the very old and getting usually rational people to co-sign their shenanigans who's only goal is to keep Black people, poor people, and young people from voting. It's almost the same play they use to get religious conservative Black folks to turn out to vote anything deemed "anti-gay".
 

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They're living without state ID because they don't need it.

Maybe because I'm working and going through poorer communities all the time I see things most people don't or won't. But I see the check cashing places all the time that advertise "No ID needed" I personally didn't get a state ID until I was 20, 21 yrs old and I had had two jobs and two active bank accounts. There are people who do most of their business within walking distance of their homes and they live mainly through cash or whatever govt assistance where you just have to swipe your card with no one asking for ID.
And on top of those real life circumstances, voting is a right, opening a bank account or cashing a check or using your debit/credit card aren't rights.
That's the trick in this whole thing. They're appealing to the ignorance of the middle class to the true lifestyle of the poor and the very old and getting usually rational people to co-sign their shenanigans who's only goal is to keep Black people, poor people, and young people from voting. It's almost the same play they use to get religious conservative Black folks to turn out to vote anything deemed "anti-gay".

This is a post-911 world. You can be asked for your ID during a traffic stop even if you aren't driving.

I've worked with the poor and this still seems like a non-issue to me. Cashing checks without ID? What about clubs, beer, cigarettes(young people)? I can understand not driving in NY, but in Ohio? Shit doesn't make sense.
 

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...ing-John-Lewis-civil-rights-hero-?detail=hide

This was far and away the highlight of the week. The players are Rep. Paul Broun, Republican from Georgia, with an amendment to end all funding for U.S. Department of Justice enforcement of Section Five of the Voting Rights Act, and civil rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, Democrat from Georgia, who marched with Martin Luther King Jr.



REP. LEWIS: It is hard and difficult and almost unbelievable that any member, especially a member from the state of Georgia, would come and offer such amendment. There's a long history in our country, especially in the 11 states that are—of the old confederacy from Virginia to Texas—of discrimination based on race. On color.
Maybe some of us need to study a little contemporary history dealing with the question of voting rights. Just think, before the voting rights act of 1965, it was almost impossible for many people in the state of Georgia, in Alabama, Virginia, in Texas, to register to vote, to participate in the democratic process.[...]

It's shameful to come here tonight and say to the Department of Justice you must not use one penny, one cent, one dime, one dollar to carry out the mandate of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. We should be opening up the political process and letting all our citizens come in and participate.

People died for the right to vote. Friends of mine. Colleagues of mine. Speak out against this amendment. It doesn't have a place. I yield to the chairman. This is—I agree with the chairman. This is not the place. I will not yield. I urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment.


Rep. Broun immediately withdrew his amendment. For now, anyway. Republicans are determined to thwart the law, and with a number cases working their way through the courts challenging the Justice Department's authority to enforce the Voting Rights Act, this Supreme Court could roll the country back half a century.
For more of the week's news, make the jump below the fold.

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The diary above also linked to an article from Feb:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73058.html
Which shows how the GOP is going for the voting rights act that gave us (black folx) the right to vote. (3 pages so I'm not quoting here)
 

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This is a post-911 world. You can be asked for your ID during a traffic stop even if you aren't driving.

I've worked with the poor and this still seems like a non-issue to me. Cashing checks without ID? What about clubs, beer, cigarettes(young people)? I can understand not driving in NY, but in Ohio? Shit doesn't make sense.

If you walk and catch the bus nearly everywhere, you don't have to worry much about traffic stops.
Everyone doesn't get carded for alcohol. This bill disporportionately affects older people and being carded isn't an issue for them and for young people many of the bills are designed specifically for those that are students and wouldn't have a state ID but may have a school ID, which wouldn't be valid.

Honestly, stop asking me and do the actual research on it and you'll see that it's far from a "non issue". If it was, they wouldn't be working so hard to pass them.
You credit yourself for being an aware person but you seem eager to fall for this okeyest of okey dokes.
 

Upgrade Dave

Rising Star
Registered
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...ing-John-Lewis-civil-rights-hero-?detail=hide

This was far and away the highlight of the week. The players are Rep. Paul Broun, Republican from Georgia, with an amendment to end all funding for U.S. Department of Justice enforcement of Section Five of the Voting Rights Act, and civil rights veteran Rep. John Lewis, Democrat from Georgia, who marched with Martin Luther King Jr.


REP. LEWIS: It is hard and difficult and almost unbelievable that any member, especially a member from the state of Georgia, would come and offer such amendment. There's a long history in our country, especially in the 11 states that are—of the old confederacy from Virginia to Texas—of discrimination based on race. On color.
Maybe some of us need to study a little contemporary history dealing with the question of voting rights. Just think, before the voting rights act of 1965, it was almost impossible for many people in the state of Georgia, in Alabama, Virginia, in Texas, to register to vote, to participate in the democratic process.[...]

It's shameful to come here tonight and say to the Department of Justice you must not use one penny, one cent, one dime, one dollar to carry out the mandate of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. We should be opening up the political process and letting all our citizens come in and participate.

People died for the right to vote. Friends of mine. Colleagues of mine. Speak out against this amendment. It doesn't have a place. I yield to the chairman. This is—I agree with the chairman. This is not the place. I will not yield. I urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment.


Rep. Broun immediately withdrew his amendment. For now, anyway. Republicans are determined to thwart the law, and with a number cases working their way through the courts challenging the Justice Department's authority to enforce the Voting Rights Act, this Supreme Court could roll the country back half a century.
For more of the week's news, make the jump below the fold.

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The diary above also linked to an article from Feb:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73058.html
Which shows how the GOP is going for the voting rights act that gave us (black folx) the right to vote. (3 pages so I'm not quoting here)

:smh:
And you know Clarence Thomas can't wait to vote for something like this.
 

Camille

Kitchen Wench #TeamQuaid
Staff member
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...ting-Rights-Act-Supreme-Court-next-nbsp-stop-


Divided D.C. Circuit panel upholds Voting Rights Act, Supreme Court next stop


A panel of judges on the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit upheld a key enforcement provision of the Voting Rights Act, setting up for a Supreme Court decision. Section 5 of the Act give the Department of Justice oversight of voting laws for states and localities with a history of voter discrimination, and requires that any change in a voting law in those jurisdiction be "pre-cleared" by Justice.


The provision was reauthorized in 2006 for another quarter-century, and an Alabama county subsequently filed suit, saying the monitoring was overly burdensome and unwarranted. [...]
"Congress drew reasonable conclusions from the extensive evidence it gathered and acted pursuant to the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, which entrust Congress with ensuring that the right to vote—surely among the most important guarantees of political liberty in the Constitution—is not abridged on account of race," said the 2-1 panel of judges. "In this context, we owe much deference to the considered judgment of the people's elected representatives."

The court took a cautious, somewhat narrow approach, affirming longstanding policies while acknowledging that the conservative Supreme Court majority in recent years has raised concerns over whether "the extraordinary federalism costs imposed by Section 5"—in the words of the appeals court—mandate continued oversight.


The law is being challenged as well by the states of Texas and South Carolina, and this case will most certainly be appealed by Shelby County. Law school professor Rick Hasen expects that this case, or the states', will reach the Supreme Court by next term. Hasen believes that, in his dissent, Judge Stephen F. Williams "has provided a way for the conservatives on the Supreme Court to end Section 5 without having to declare that it would necessarily be unconstitutional if Congress tweaked it." He adds, in regards to the Supreme Court, "my money is on the Court holding—one way or another–that section 5 can no longer be enforced against the covered states."
 

Camille

Kitchen Wench #TeamQuaid
Staff member
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...arly-bid-to-steal-Presidency-before-elections

Florida begins MASSIVE voter purge in early bid to steal Presidency before elections


This has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Florida is a swing state. This has everything to do with stopping citizens from being able to vote. This has EVERYTHING to do with voter supression. Denying your countrymen their right to a vote, brought to you by the Republican Party.


. . . in this election, “Governor Scott wants to play the role of Katherine Harris.”


Katherine Harris, of course, was the Florida Secretary of State who helped George W. Bush "win" Florida and the Presidential election of 2000 after Bush v Gore was decided 5-4 by the Supreme Court in the most activist thing any American court had ever done at the time. According to ThinkProgress.org one estimate from 2000 said that 7,000 voters were wrongfully removed from the rolls of eligible voters, 88% of whom were African-American. Al Gore won 92% of the African-American vote in Florida in 2000
I remember the before times when George W. Bush wasn't Presidenting yet and America had never heard of a hanging chad. If not for a few hundred votes in Florida and a few thousand more who were pushed off the voter rolls "by accident" this might be a very different country, a very different world. Am I alone in the thought that preventing your fellow countryman from having the right to vote is as Un-American as it gets?



The quote above comes from Florida Congressman Ted Deutch who spoke with ThinkProgress on this subject

Florida Congressman Ted Deutch (D) told ThinkProgress today that Gov. Rick Scott was engaging in a “blatant attempt to supress voter turnout.” Scott is currently involved in a massive effort to purge up to 180,000 from the voting rolls. The list, purportedly of non-citizens, has proven unreliable. Earlier this week, Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Mike Ertel, a Republican, posted a picture on Twitter of a voter on the list falsely identified as ineligible, with his passport.
Congressman Deutch said that his office has heard from several constituents who have recieved a voting ineligibility letter in error.


Quickly, Congressman Deutch drafted a sternly worded letter, which he will send to Governor Rick Scott after encouraging other Florida representatives to sign on it with him. The dreaded sternly worded letter is like a slap in the face before a duel in politics, except that instead of having a duel you send more letters and have press conferences and media appearances until the problem you were discussing gets worse and a new problem knocks it off the news cycle, but never mind that, Ted Deutch is doing the right thing and I hope he follows through on it, because the right to vote is at stake. Here is an excerpt of the letter . . .

It is out of grave concern that we write to ask for the immediate suspension of the Florida Division of Elections’ directive that county supervisors of elections purge up to 180,000 names from Florida’s voter rolls in advance of the November 2012 elections.

While we all agree that the right to vote should be reserved only to those who are eligible, any process that could strip Floridians of their voting rights should be conducted with the utmost caution and transparency, and certainly not within six months of a major federal election and within 90 days of the primary. Providing a list of names with questionable validity – created with absolutely no oversight – to county supervisors and asking that they purge their rolls will create chaotic results and further undermine Floridians’ confidence in the integrity of our elections. A rushed process will undermine both Florida and federal law requiring voter rolls to be maintained in a uniform and nondiscriminatory manner.


A rushed process that undermines Florida and federal law is the whole point! Gov Rick Scott wants no oversight and a rushed process. Using voter fraud and fears of non-citizens voting is utter deceitful, 180,000 people is about the population of Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
The goal is obvious, the Florida Republicans who control the state government want to make it difficult for people to vote, particularly people who fall into demographics that Republicans are losing by landslides. Coincidence? I think not.

And this is the same pattern we have seen in every state Republicans took power in after the 2010 elections, make it harder for people to vote. You, the voter, must jump through hoops to be recognized by your own government that you are a citizen, but the billionaires and corporations who fund politicians and run attack ads don't have to disclose a damned thing. As if we couldn't just verify each voters social security number? No, instead voting requires identifying yourself and buying political influence does not. Despite all the big money in politics Florida is still a swing state, even though the big money prefers their happy corporate conservative hand maidens by an overwhelming margin, despite all that, all the gerrymandering, all the advantages, there is still a chance that Florida could vote for Obama in 2012, so what does the Republican party do? Do they moderate their message a bit to appeal to Latino voters, or to women, or to African-American voters or younger voters, all groups they are losing by huge margins? Moderate? NOPE! Instead the Republicans will simply make it harder for these groups to vote while pretending that there is no problem. War on Women? Doesn't exist. Massive problem appealing to latino voters? Doesn't exist, nothing to see here. And now you can add to that trying to steal the state of Florida by taking away the right to vote little by little before the Presidential elections even take place, which if anyone mentions Republicans will certainly pretend doesn't exist.

If only Republicans could remember George W. Bush, he would be proud.

Hats off to Rep. Ted Deutch for doing the right thing and standing up for the basic right to vote. I hope many others join him wherever our fundamental rights as citizens to vote are under attack by corporate owned politicians. Governor Scott wants a rushed process with no oversight that will disenfranchise as many voters as possible, because what are the odds that the whole Presidential election might come down to a few hundred votes in Florida again?
 
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