Vote Obama, If Not You're Labeled a Sellout?

[LSN]

Damn I just found out my pops is leaning toward Hillary and yes I am looking at him as a sellout which is messed up cause he is the dude that instilled my sense of Black pride...but I don't know man...years in this country done flipped his mind...

 

[DaleMabry]

Exactly. I call them internet lynchings.

I call it attacking a black candidate for no other apparent reason than self-interest and personal gain. Did you see any philosophical difference espoused? No. They were attacks on the man's character and qualification without an objective reason why. So they need to be called to the carpet for that shit. Many of those leaders have build decades-long careers on the idea that the black voter base or consumer base gave them power and influence. So why not hold them accountable since they've come up off of us?

No, not an internet lynching in this case, Im sorry.

But you say that as if Barack Obama will do something for the Black race though??? He's going to reemphasize over and over again that he's the president of "all of Amerikkka" not just Black people. Who did he compare himself too yesterday??? Ronald Reagan. Yep, that Ronald Reagan. That's the type of president he will be. Not a Republican asshole like Reagan was, but he's overtly saying that he will not alienate the Republicans, who are alienated by everything other than their own superiority. So, voting for him is not going to help Black people anymore than anybody else, especially when he's going to have to be harder on us, just to prove to everybody else that he's a "uniter". Y'all act like he's gonna give us reparation sthe day he gets in office or something. There's not that big of a difference, even he said that two days ago.

Again this assumption that folks are rallying behind Obama cause "he's gonna look out for black folk." I've never seen a black candidate get this amount of support, so I gotta call bullshit on that idea, Im sorry. Again, its like cats are being deliberately pessimistic so they can say "I told you so" if Obama turns out not to be a mix of Jesus, FDR and Malcolm X. That's sad bruh. Sad.

Colin Powell would have an even better chance than Obama, would you get behind him???

Sure, and why are you putting "????" like you're dropping the ill debate bomb? Clearly you don't think people would, which means you are coming to the table with baggage. I absolutely would have gotten behind Powell. It's again, sad that you underestimate black voters like this.

Vote for who you think will step in, fight the right-wing, and reinvigorate the American economy, and help bridge the gap between rich and poor. I'm not 100% sure that that person is Obama.

Why? State your reasons. Then we are getting somewhere.

If you think Obama's economic, foreign, and domestic policies are the best, then good, vote for him, but the whole, "If there's a Black guy in sight, then you vote for him bullshit is played out". Haven't you lived in mostly Black cities? Have you seen what Detroit is like? What Gary's like? What Washington D.C. was like? What New Orleans is like? That's what you get when niggaz vote for Ray Nagin or Marion Berry after he got caught with the crack pipe, because they were "brother's with a chance to win". Vote for who will do the best job. It means nothing when your schools suck, your prisons are full, and nobody has any money.

Again, you sound like you want to stake out the contrarian position, or you are being pessimistic to save yourself disappointment. Judge Obama for Obama, not because of what Kirkpatrick or Washington or Berry or Nagin did. So your argument is what, black leaders ain't shit and they never do a good job so let's just stick to the white folks?

Isn't that what Hillary argued when she dismissed MLK and suggested that it took a (white) President (LBJ) to get the Civil Rights Act passed. Damn man, that sounds crazy to me. I cant fuck with it.

 

[greygoose]

im with obama because he's black among other things.
i mean, how much worse can things get at this point?
its not like hilary is jumping leaps and bounds as a candidate over obama

 

[afroyale]

I could have easily voted for John Edwards and in a way I'm sad to see the way his campaign has basically died as I don't think a couple of states should decide the nomination. We vote here in Nevada Saturday and I don't think Edwards has a chance, whereas either Obama or Clinton can win. Same for South Carolina, so, with that being the fourth contest, he has no shot at all. Hillary Clinton is my least favorite candidate because, to quote Edwards, you can't replace corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats and expect change. Obama's push for transparancy in politics and public funding of campaigns appeals to me as well as his general stand on PACs and lobbyists.

I'm voting Obama on Saturday because he appears to me to be the best viable candidate. I do believe his race and background will, if elected, be a major blow to the defeatist attitude many younger blacks have-- just as it will not prove the country is not racist as many conservatives are saying, it will prove what many thought impossible possible and serve as uplifting to the minds of many young blacks (and Mexicans and others). He is best equipped to transform America's international image and his recent talk about Reagan makes a lot of sense, as he (unlike Hillary who half the country hates) seems to have a chance to reach across the aisle and get work done (unlike Bill Clinton, whose entire administration was a quagmire).

I say all this to say that I could have easily not supported Obama and reaching another conclusion certainly wouldn't make you a sellout.

Sellout is not a word I like to use. But I would apply it to Robert Johnson. BET has been an enormous advocate of drug use, yet he shits on Obama for his admitted drug use decades ago. He was clearly a token, used as a black attack dog on behalf of the Clintons. I think Obama has run an honorable campaign and for this man to take a dirty personal shot at him and while doing so claim offense at blacks supposedly being treated as dumb but then turn around and say he didn't mean what everyone knows he meant like we're idiots... If he's not a sellout, he's a scumbag. I'd say he's both. If he's not I don't know who is-- the people who killed Malcolm? This is a major, major event in American history of the utmost significance to black Americans and the man who became the first black billionaire by promoting drugs and decadance painted the first serious black candidate for president as a drug-using loser on behalf of a man who is a known liar with regard to drug use and a woman who may very well be, too, for all we know. He's a sellout.

You're not if you sincerely support someone other than Obama. I don't know why you'd support Hillary and Edwards has no chance so it would seem like the right vote to me, but you always have the right to think as an individual and anyone who says otherwise is selling themselves short and out.

Don't forget to bring along your friends and family.

 

[actinanass]

From how I see it, I don't give a fuck about who think I "sold out" or whatever. I don't trust any democrat when it comes to foreign affairs, and financial issues. To me, Obama is probably the only candidate that I could possibly think about voting for. The only problem is HE REALLY AIN'T TALKING ABOUT SHIT. Face it, what is CHANGE really? Doesn't every candidate want CHANGE?

Change from Bush?

So you wanna get out of Iraq, raise taxes, use up all our oil reserves *to lower gas prices*, discredit small business, have 7 terrorist attacks in 8 years, and make a nationalize health care?

Is this what we really want?

 

[DaleMabry]

Afroyale you may need to post that list of Obama bills and initiatives again to counter this "he aint talking shit but feel-goodism" idea being propagated.

 

[XXXplosive]

From how I see it, I don't give a fuck about who think I "sold out" or whatever. I don't trust any democrat when it comes to foreign affairs, and financial issues. To me, Obama is probably the only candidate that I could possibly think about voting for. The only problem is HE REALLY AIN'T TALKING ABOUT SHIT. Face it, what is CHANGE really? Doesn't every candidate want CHANGE?

Change from Bush?

So you wanna get out of Iraq, raise taxes, use up all our oil reserves *to lower gas prices*, discredit small business, have 7 terrorist attacks in 8 years, and make a nationalize health care?

Is this what we really want?

Typical bullshit Republicrap verbiage
Save all that nonsense for a call-in on Rush Limbaugh's radio show

So I take it you want us to:

1) STAY in Iraq
2) Hand out more corporate welfare (tax cuts) to the rich
3) Be MORE dependent on Middle Eastern oil
4) Help big businesses get even richer and put small companies out of business
5) Have ANOTHER 9/11 type attack (which was on a Republican's watch) and then use that as an excuse for another war
6) Allow only the rich to have access to health care

Is this what YOU really want????
Because that's what we've gone through with this buffoon as president and we'll go through the same with another Republican in office

 

[bizzyboddy]

Exactly. I call them internet lynchings.



But you say that as if Barack Obama will do something for the Black race though??? He's going to reemphasize over and over again that he's the president of "all of Amerikkka" not just Black people. Who did he compare himself too yesterday??? Ronald Reagan. Yep, that Ronald Reagan. That's the type of president he will be. Not a Republican asshole like Reagan was, but he's overtly saying that he will not alienate the Republicans, who are alienated by everything other than their own superiority. So, voting for him is not going to help Black people anymore than anybody else, especially when he's going to have to be harder on us, just to prove to everybody else that he's a "uniter". Y'all act like he's gonna give us reparation sthe day he gets in office or something. There's not that big of a difference, even he said that two days ago.



Colin Powell would have an even better chance than Obama, would you get behind him???

Vote for who you think will step in, fight the right-wing, and reinvigorate the American economy, and help bridge the gap between rich and poor. I'm not 100% sure that that person is Obama. I'm sorry, the greater good of the whole race is much more important than niggaz being able to say "Hey, we gotta Black president" and nothing's really happening for the entire race. That's the difference between "real" Black power and "fake" Black power.

If you think Obama's economic, foreign, and domestic policies are the best, then good, vote for him, but the whole, "If there's a Black guy in sight, then you vote for him bullshit is played out". Haven't you lived in mostly Black cities? Have you seen what Detroit is like? What Gary's like? What Washington D.C. was like? What New Orleans is like? That's what you get when niggaz vote for Ray Nagin or Marion Berry after he got caught with the crack pipe, because they were "brother's with a chance to win". Vote for who will do the best job. It means nothing when your schools suck, your prisons are full, and nobody has any money.



I don't know. Everybody I've heard of hates Hillary Clinton. Even in studies, they've shown that the coverage of her is so much worse than any candidates and for most of the people in public life. If you're arguing that people are scared of Obama, then you're not even watching the soft coverage he's gotten compared to Hillary. Edwards isn't even being covered at all really, but everybody's in love with Obama. Even guys like Tucker Carlson are in love with him mostly.

Totally agree with what you said especially the last part. As a matter of fact I'd say the reason Hillary won NH was because of her portrayal in the media. People felt sorry for her and thats why her votes went up so dramatically. Thats why its funny seeing the clinton hatred on here, seeing as how that hatred only helps Hillary.

 

[lazarus]

Brother, you're letting your personal bias and emtions effect your answer. You're making this a Hillary vs. Obama thing ... I'm not.

I'm saying or rather questioning, why does NOT supporting Obama if you are black make you a SELLOUT. That is the only question.

To put it another way, if you are a BLACK WOMAN and do not support Hillary, does that make you a SELLOUT as well? I mean, you're a woman first and foremost.

your going in circles and obviously just want attention. the answer was given, and now you keep rewording and making new questions. you coming off like an attention whore now.

yes, you won't be labeled a sellout, because you get a pass, there's obviously a few apples missing in the barrel for you.

 

[lazarus]

Exactly. I call them internet lynchings.



But you say that as if Barack Obama will do something for the Black race though??? He's going to reemphasize over and over again that he's the president of "all of Amerikkka" not just Black people. Who did he compare himself too yesterday??? Ronald Reagan. Yep, that Ronald Reagan. That's the type of president he will be. Not a Republican asshole like Reagan was, but he's overtly saying that he will not alienate the Republicans, who are alienated by everything other than their own superiority. So, voting for him is not going to help Black people anymore than anybody else, especially when he's going to have to be harder on us, just to prove to everybody else that he's a "uniter". Y'all act like he's gonna give us reparation sthe day he gets in office or something. There's not that big of a difference, even he said that two days ago.



Colin Powell would have an even better chance than Obama, would you get behind him???

Vote for who you think will step in, fight the right-wing, and reinvigorate the American economy, and help bridge the gap between rich and poor. I'm not 100% sure that that person is Obama. I'm sorry, the greater good of the whole race is much more important than niggaz being able to say "Hey, we gotta Black president" and nothing's really happening for the entire race. That's the difference between "real" Black power and "fake" Black power.

If you think Obama's economic, foreign, and domestic policies are the best, then good, vote for him, but the whole, "If there's a Black guy in sight, then you vote for him bullshit is played out". Haven't you lived in mostly Black cities? Have you seen what Detroit is like? What Gary's like? What Washington D.C. was like? What New Orleans is like? That's what you get when niggaz vote for Ray Nagin or Marion Berry after he got caught with the crack pipe, because they were "brother's with a chance to win". Vote for who will do the best job. It means nothing when your schools suck, your prisons are full, and nobody has any money.



I don't know. Everybody I've heard of hates Hillary Clinton. Even in studies, they've shown that the coverage of her is so much worse than any candidates and for most of the people in public life. If you're arguing that people are scared of Obama, then you're not even watching the soft coverage he's gotten compared to Hillary. Edwards isn't even being covered at all really, but everybody's in love with Obama. Even guys like Tucker Carlson are in love with him mostly.

1. Did you just compare mayors to being the president of the most powerful country in the world?
2. Obama will be a role model, more than the politics himself. You think Bush is doing such a great job? Is Hillary going to be that great for you? Let's think worst terms, and Obama has a presidency like Bush, who lasted 8 years. That's going to do more for the black race, and how we are viewed across the world, then anything else.

 

[Wootten Hathaway]

DISCLAIMER: I am currently undecided on my vote for Presidential candidate, however it will be a Democrat. I neither support nor oppose Obama, Clinton, or Edwards at this point as they all have legitimate strengths and weaknesses which I haven't flushed out and determined who to be the correct candidate going into 2012 - which will be a complete rebuild of the American system after the last 8 years of debacle and misteps and one of the most challenging adminstrations on any number of fronts.


Aight, BGOL I'm beginning to notice a bit of a sheep minded and disturbing trend going on. If you're black and you endorse a candidate outside of Obama, you're labeled a sellout. It's even worse if you're a celebrity (Magic, Bob Johnson, Russ Simmons, etc. etc.).

Can we as black people really be so shallow as to coerced into making the next Presidential decision and probably the most important one since Carter was in office given the current and impending state of and internal dissary of our political system by the Republicans, shitty U.S. Foreign policy/relations, a trillion dollar war no one wants, the economy on a slow and uncorrectable downward spiral for the next 2 years (unless we have a major economic boom or innovation), dollar devaluation, budget deficit, and our impending loss of #1 Superpower status based solely on the fact that he's the black candidate and likeable?

Because when I hear people screaming sell-out, that seems to be the only judgement criteria ... you're not voting for the black guy, so you're a sellout.
That's even more fucked up and ignorant if that's the case.

Vote for whomever you like this year, just remember to vote because people you know and don't know, fought, sacrificed, and died for your right to do so.

You honor their memory by voting but more importantly voting for the right candidate - not just the candidate with the closest colored skin to yours or the one who happens to have the same gender (this applies equally to you women and caucasians on the board) simply for that sake of...as it applies to black people, to do that is a discredit to yourself and their memory.

Stepping down of my soapbox.

Don't step down my brother. You nailed it.



Wootten Hathaway

 

[afroyale]

Afroyale you may need to post that list of Obama bills and initiatives again to counter this "he aint talking shit but feel-goodism" idea being propagated.

I can't find that post, so I'll post Hillary's accomplishments instead:





Hillary has managed to get the following laws and resolutions enacted:


• Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site

• Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month

• Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor

• Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall

• Name courthouse after James L. Watson

• Name post office after John A. O'Shea

• Designate August 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death

• Congratulate the Syracuse University Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

• Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship

• Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program

• Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda

• Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death

• Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

 

[DaleMabry]

This is what 35 years of experience buys huh?

Wooten, bring your Whore For Reagan ass in here, is this the best your girl has to offer?

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

I call it attacking a black candidate for no other apparent reason than self-interest and personal gain. Did you see any philosophical difference espoused? No. They were attacks on the man's character and qualification without an objective reason why. So they need to be called to the carpet for that shit. Many of those leaders have build decades-long careers on the idea that the black voter base or consumer base gave them power and influence. So why not hold them accountable since they've come up off of us?

No, not an internet lynching in this case, Im sorry.



Again this assumption that folks are rallying behind Obama cause "he's gonna look out for black folk." I've never seen a black candidate get this amount of support, so I gotta call bullshit on that idea, Im sorry. Again, its like cats are being deliberately pessimistic so they can say "I told you so" if Obama turns out not to be a mix of Jesus, FDR and Malcolm X. That's sad bruh. Sad.



Sure, and why are you putting "????" like you're dropping the ill debate bomb? Clearly you don't think people would, which means you are coming to the table with baggage. I absolutely would have gotten behind Powell. It's again, sad that you underestimate black voters like this.



Why? State your reasons. Then we are getting somewhere.



Again, you sound like you want to stake out the contrarian position, or you are being pessimistic to save yourself disappointment. Judge Obama for Obama, not because of what Kirkpatrick or Washington or Berry or Nagin did. So your argument is what, black leaders ain't shit and they never do a good job so let's just stick to the white folks?

Isn't that what Hillary argued when she dismissed MLK and suggested that it took a (white) President (LBJ) to get the Civil Rights Act passed. Damn man, that sounds crazy to me. I cant fuck with it.

MLK didn't pass the Civil Rights act. It was a White man who passed it, just like it took a white man to end slavery. . . Duh!!! MLK could've marched every day of his life, and if that piece of paper that made it illegal to discriminate in that way hadn't been signed by Lyndon B. Johnson, we'd still be drinking out of different water fountains. That's a fact. That's not even opinion. Aint nobody dismissed MLK, but one man, who's not the president, can't change laws and policy. All he can do is convince enough elected officials and people in charge to do that until they did, which is what MLK did, but he personally didn't sign the Civil Rights Act. Do they give y'all history books where y'all are from???

Second of all, I am judging Obama for Obama. I aint never said that all Black mayors and governors were shit. You never heard me say that. We had a Black mayor in my city who's one of the best ever IMO, but it's the mentaility that "He's Black and he's got a chance to win" that has gotten Ray Nagin, Marion Berry, Kwame Kilpatrick and people like that in office, and allowed them to stay there. That's what I'm saying. I'm Black myself. If the Black candidate's the best candidate I'm voting for him, but if I think he's not, then I'm not. I don't play the "He's close enough" game with politicians, I've been burnt with that too many times.

They are getting behind Obama mostly because he's Black. Barack Obama has told you that there's not that big of a difference between him, Hillary, and John Edwards(especially John Edwards), yet the Black vote that came out for them is miniscule. Obama and Edwards are the exact same guy, except for the fact that Edwards is probably even more for poor people than Obama is, yet Black voters are still favoring Obama, by a large margin, even though we are the ones working the labor jobs in Amerikkka that will be unprotected and stolen by the Mexicans in the next few years.

[/B]


Totally agree with what you said especially the last part. As a matter of fact I'd say the reason Hillary won NH was because of her portrayal in the media. People felt sorry for her and thats why her votes went up so dramatically. Thats why its funny seeing the clinton hatred on here, seeing as how that hatred only helps Hillary.

No, women came to Hillary's rescue because the media and all the candidates have been beating the shit out of her for the past few months.

This is the studies have broken down the overall coverage in the past year.



Tone of Coverage for Top Candidates

Percent of All Stories



Democratic Candidates

Positive Neutral Negative Total

Hillary Clinton 26.9 35.4 37.8 294
Barack Obama 46.7 37.5 15.8 240
John Edwards 31.0 33.8 35.2 71

Which Presidential Candidate Is Bashed Most Often by the Mainstream Media?

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The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University found in a new study that Hillary Clinton has been criticized more than any other presidential candidate in TV election coverage this fall. According to the study, Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee have had the most positive coverage.

The study is based on 481 election stories that aired on the evening newscasts of ABC, CBS, NBC and "Special Report." The findings reveal that on-air evaluations of Clinton were negative nearly 60 percent of the time, while evaluations of Obama were positive 61 percent of the time.

Among Republicans, Huckabee fared the best, while Rudy Giuliani and John McCain were given negative on-air evaluations more than 60 percent of the time.

1. Did you just compare mayors to being the president of the most powerful country in the world?
2. Obama will be a role model, more than the politics himself. You think Bush is doing such a great job? Is Hillary going to be that great for you? Let's think worst terms, and Obama has a presidency like Bush, who lasted 8 years. That's going to do more for the black race, and how we are viewed across the world, then anything else.

I think the Clinton machine has been proven to be effective over the years. Think about it, over the past 40 years, only Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have been elected president as Democrats. Only Bill Clinton has been somewhat effective. Jimmy Carter came with the same, "I want to united America and bring people together" type rhetoric, post-Watergate that Obama's talking about and Reagan/Bush and the right-wing soldiers tore his ass to shreds. He was outta there in 4 years. You can't play with these republicans.

Now, The Clintons know those motherfuckers are insane and will never be reasoned with, so she knows what's up with them. She may play like she's gonna play nice, but in real life, they've tried to destroy her and her family many times, so she's not gonna hesitate, IMO, to put the hammer down on the Republicans

Now really, so you think that shit like the Jena 6 situation, the Sean Bell situation, the Genarlow Wilson situation is just all gonna magically disappear, because white folks are willing to vote for a half-white, non-threating guy from Hawaii??? Really???

I hate to say that I actually agree with Al Sharpton on this one. Obama's win or loss is not going to be the end all be all for racism in this country. White folks and some house niggaz want to make it that way, that if we vote for Obama, racism's over forever, because they want us to stop talking about it but it just aint gonna happen.

 

[bizzyboddy]

No, women came to Hillary's rescue because the media and all the candidates have been beating the shit out of her for the past few months.

This is the studies have broken down the overall coverage in the past year.



Tone of Coverage for Top Candidates

Percent of All Stories
Positive Neutral Negative Numberof Stories
Democratic Candidates
Hillary Clinton 26.9 35.4 37.8 294
Barack Obama 46.7 37.5 15.8 240
John Edwards 31.0 33.8 35.2 71

Which Presidential Candidate Is Bashed Most Often by the Mainstream Media?

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Um... this is what i was saying, im agreeing with you. But props for the statistics, since it backs those points up.

 

[Heist]

your going in circles and obviously just want attention. the answer was given, and now you keep rewording and making new questions. you coming off like an attention whore now.

yes, you won't be labeled a sellout, because you get a pass, there's obviously a few apples missing in the barrel for you.

Wow. Where the fuck did this come from... Go back and look at your second response. It came a day later. What I posted was yesterday.

Stop being so moist and relax. It's just intellectual debate; or can you not handle this?

 

[shaddyvillethug]

im voting for obama...

 

[DaleMabry]

MLK didn't pass the Civil Rights act. It was a White man who passed it, just like it took a white man to end slavery. . . Duh!!! MLK could've marched every day of his life, and if that piece of paper that made it illegal to discriminate in that way hadn't been signed by Lyndon B. Johnson, we'd still be drinking out of different water fountains. That's a fact. That's not even opinion.

Duh! my ass. Black resistance and struggle forced their hands. Power concedes nothing without a demand, smart ass. Look up the quote if you like. And even then, second-class citizenship wasn't abolished until the Civil Rights act nearly a century later. And even then, segregation continued well into the late 70s, and discriminatory practices STILL continue when race and poverty dovetail. That's a fact. That's not even opinion.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It is grassroots struggle and disciplined moves like boycotts, the legal strategies set up by the black law schools like Howard in dismantling Jim Crow legally, and even some degree of armed resistance (Malcolm X, John Williams, the Deacons of Defense, the Panthers) that keeps the Elites somewhat honest.

So fuck beating the fucking marching drum for the Power of the Big Boss Cracka.

We sit around and wait for a white man to fix your troubles and we are fools, period.

Aint nobody dismissed MLK, but one man, who's not the president, can't change laws and policy. All he can do is convince enough elected officials and people in charge to do that until they did, which is what MLK did, but he personally didn't sign the Civil Rights Act. Do they give y'all history books where y'all are from???

My nig you have no idea...I damn near got a Ph.D in history before I changed my game up. I will smite thee into the dust if you wanna take it to a historical level--we can go historiography, cliometrics, whatever you like. Go ahead and talk reckless but on a history front, you just don't want it. Ease up, my brother.

...but it's the mentaility that "He's Black and he's got a chance to win" that has gotten Ray Nagin, Marion Berry, Kwame Kilpatrick and people like that in office, and allowed them to stay there. That's what I'm saying. I'm Black myself. If the Black candidate's the best candidate I'm voting for him, but if I think he's not, then I'm not. I don't play the "He's close enough" game with politicians, I've been burnt with that too many times.

Point taken but your premise is that black folk are only voting for him because he is black, when he is getting an unprecedented level of support that Chisholm, Jackson, Sharpton and Moseley Braun never got. I find your premise to be condescending and borderline insulting in assuming a lack of sophistication in the average black voter.

I think the Clinton machine has been proven to be effective over the years. Think about it, over the past 40 years, only Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have been elected president as Democrats. Only Bill Clinton has been somewhat effective. Jimmy Carter came with the same, "I want to united America and bring people together" type rhetoric, post-Watergate that Obama's talking about and Reagan/Bush and the right-wing soldiers tore his ass to shreds. He was outta there in 4 years. You can't play with these republicans.

I agree that Obama might go the route of Jimmy Carter. I think though that the GOP is playing a mindgame on those of you who think his presidency was a waste and thank God for Reagan or Clinton. Fuck that shit. Carter was ahead of his time. (Shit one of the first words I ever said as a baby was "Jimmy Carter" so youre barking up the wrong tree with me)

A nigga like me will KEEP electing Jimmy Carters until the political climate changes. An essentially good man willing to tackle the tough problems of our time and think outside of the box in doing so? And keeping democracy relatively honest and transparent? Why the fuck would we run from that outcome??????

Clinton locked up more black folks than Reagan ever did. Clinton let Rwanda go down without doing jack shit to stop it. Clinton threw his boy Jesse and Sista Soulja under the bus just to show whites "Ive got these Negroes in check." Clinton dropped bombs on innocent East Africans to change the subject when he got putting cigars up fat hoes' pussies.

Clinton paraded around the world with The Devil, Sr. (aka Bush I) like shit is sweet, even though these disgusting fucks have done everything they could to rape the poor and people of color in the ass.

Now really, so you think that shit like the Jena 6 situation, the Sean Bell situation, the Genarlow Wilson situation is just all gonna magically disappear, because white folks are willing to vote for a half-white, non-threating guy from Hawaii??? Really???

It's not about a magic bullet or the end of racism. Its about ending the accomodationalism of the DNC centrist strategy which has made the Dems look like a bunch of bitches for over a decade (throwing in the lame duck status Clinton had in his second term during the scandals.) And its about not wanting two political families to hijack the process for over 20 years.

Stop being a fucking scaredy cat and overthinking the shit. Damn.

 

[bham_brotha]

From reading a lot of these responses I see how we often end up with presidents like Bush. People voting for someone "just because" rather than actually listening to the issues at hand. As I said in another thread, i'm not casting my vote for Obama just because he's black, and i'm not casting my vote for Clinton just because she isn't black. I'll wait to see how the campaigns go and see who fits my best interest...the way its SUPPOSED to be done.

 

[DaleMabry]

bump

 

[master-ceo]

I'm puttin each an every simp/house ****** on BGOL on my ignore list. I don't want to see/hear what you gotta say. Its meaningless... Your views are white trash.

 

[Genocide]

I think the question you are really asking is that "Should we vote for Obama just because he is black?"

The answer to that question is YES. Let me explain.

The presidency is much more than a job, its about image. You have the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, the War on STD's, and most importantly the War on Racism. Each one of these War's are wars that are pretty much impossible to win. However, the biggest war that BLACK people should be concerned with is the War on Racism.

Now ask yourself, how can we move closer to racial equality in the U.S. What's the one thing we can do besides having bullshit little discussions and Non-For Profit organizations geared towards establishing racial equality? Having a black president, that's what! Having a black president is the biggest step we can take to help even the playing field for blacks everywhere. If a black man can be the President of the Free World, then he can certainly be the President of I.B.M or some shit. RESPECT is what we gain as a race with Obama as President, assuming he does a good job.

What about his views and his politics you say? What about them? You have watched the debates and heard each of the candidates speak and I assure you ALL of them TALK a good ass game. They are all just saying what they think people wanna hear. Not all the time, but most of a lot of the time. Why? Because the reality of the situation is the bureaucracy of CHANGE is very tumultuous, especially in the white house. All of you "Undecided" voters waiting around until a candidate says something that you like need to realize that anybody can say some shit, but will they back it up?

Bush has fucked things up far worse than Barack could ever do, and you are hung up on Barack's position on certain issues?

Vote for Obama...because he's black.

 

[peterlongshort]

I'm undecided on my vote as well. I feel your point. Sometimes the Obama supporters go a little overboard in their enthusiasm on this board, but for the most part (like everything else on here) it's all in fun. I appreciate their passion and the fact that they take their future's very seriously.

Of course, there are a few trolls on the board who just like to create confusion and division among black people regardless of the political environment. I just ignore those people like I always do.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Duh! my ass. Black resistance and struggle forced their hands. Power concedes nothing without a demand, smart ass. Look up the quote if you like. And even then, second-class citizenship wasn't abolished until the Civil Rights act nearly a century later. And even then, segregation continued well into the late 70s, and discriminatory practices STILL continue when race and poverty dovetail. That's a fact. That's not even opinion.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It is grassroots struggle and disciplined moves like boycotts, the legal strategies set up by the black law schools like Howard in dismantling Jim Crow legally, and even some degree of armed resistance (Malcolm X, John Williams, the Deacons of Defense, the Panthers) that keeps the Elites somewhat honest.

So fuck beating the fucking marching drum for the Power of the Big Boss Cracka.

We sit around and wait for a white man to fix your troubles and we are fools, period.



My nig you have no idea...I damn near got a Ph.D in history before I changed my game up. I will smite thee into the dust if you wanna take it to a historical level--we can go historiography, cliometrics, whatever you like. Go ahead and talk reckless but on a history front, you just don't want it. Ease up, my brother.



Point taken but your premise is that black folk are only voting for him because he is black, when he is getting an unprecedented level of support that Chisholm, Jackson, Sharpton and Moseley Braun never got. I find your premise to be condescending and borderline insulting in assuming a lack of sophistication in the average black voter.



I agree that Obama might go the route of Jimmy Carter. I think though that the GOP is playing a mindgame on those of you who think his presidency was a waste and thank God for Reagan or Clinton. Fuck that shit. Carter was ahead of his time. (Shit one of the first words I ever said as a baby was "Jimmy Carter" so youre barking up the wrong tree with me)

A nigga like me will KEEP electing Jimmy Carters until the political climate changes. An essentially good man willing to tackle the tough problems of our time and think outside of the box in doing so? And keeping democracy relatively honest and transparent? Why the fuck would we run from that outcome??????

Clinton locked up more black folks than Reagan ever did. Clinton let Rwanda go down without doing jack shit to stop it. Clinton threw his boy Jesse and Sista Soulja under the bus just to show whites "Ive got these Negroes in check." Clinton dropped bombs on innocent East Africans to change the subject when he got putting cigars up fat hoes' pussies.

Clinton paraded around the world with The Devil, Sr. (aka Bush I) like shit is sweet, even though these disgusting fucks have done everything they could to rape the poor and people of color in the ass.



It's not about a magic bullet or the end of racism. Its about ending the accomodationalism of the DNC centrist strategy which has made the Dems look like a bunch of bitches for over a decade (throwing in the lame duck status Clinton had in his second term during the scandals.) And its about not wanting two political families to hijack the process for over 20 years.

Stop being a fucking scaredy cat and overthinking the shit. Damn.

So, once again, without the Civil Rights Act of 1965, what would have happened???? What PH.D do you have, makes you privy to information that says that MLK signed the "Civil Rights Act". He didn't. I agree, Power concedes nothing without force, but power is still power. Unless you have the power yourself, then you're just trying to reason with power.

MLK didn't as I said end racism by himself. Malcolm X is just as much responsible as MLK is, and you see aint nobody even bringing his name up. If him and the Nation hadn't scared the shit out of White folks, they wouldn't have been so eager to give MLK a listen. The options were, listen to this negro willing to talk, or have more Black folks embrace what was considered "radical" "militant" Black Panther/Nation of Islam/Black Nationalism and who knows what the fuck would have happened. We were even getting with the Mexicans and Native Americans back then. White folks went with saving their ass as usual. That's the only reason why they hold MLK up there like that. There are plenty of Black Americans who have contributed that they don't respect to that extent. Why? Because they can't use their legacies as a way to keep Black people "turning the other cheek". They even delete a whole part of MLK's legacy just to keep the people asleep.


Second of all, how wasn't Jimmy Carter a waste??? Yes, he was a good dude, but what did he get accomplished??? The Republicans toyed with him for 4 years, then kept the hostages in Iran until Reagan was elected in 1980. If it wasn't for Bill Clinton, you wouldn't have seen another Democratic President maybe ever. So yes, did Clinton have to compromise somethings??? Yeah, but he was way more successful than Jimmy Carter was in every way possible. What do you think if Bush I had gotten another shot in there? You do know that most of those people that got locked up during Clinton's presidency were put there by the by Reagan's "Drug Enforcement Bill" of 1986. He was the one who put all those young Black and Latino Men in jail. If Clinton say, loses to Bush in 1992 or 1996, don't you think Bush I or Bob Dole goes even harder at the drug war that he helped create??? Jimmy Carter is much better at being an ex-president than he was as president. This is what I'm talking about. Y'all cut off your nose to spite your face. Clinton was better than the alternative. This is fact. You think Bob Dole would've helped yo ass???

Third off, you can't compare Obama to Jackson, Chisolm, Sharpton, and others. First off, he's half-white, second of all, he has a chance. That's why I said in my post, "brother's with a chance to win". Shirley Chisolm aint have a chance in the world. Neither did Jackson or Sharpton, but in elections where Black candidates have had a chance to win, be it local, or statewide, Black people vote for the Black candidate, even when that candidate is full of shit. I know. I see it happen constantly.

From reading a lot of these responses I see how we often end up with presidents like Bush. People voting for someone "just because" rather than actually listening to the issues at hand. As I said in another thread, i'm not casting my vote for Obama just because he's black, and i'm not casting my vote for Clinton just because she isn't black. I'll wait to see how the campaigns go and see who fits my best interest...the way its SUPPOSED to be done.

This is what Denzel Washington & Michael Baisden were just saying, and I agree with both of them. Make them fight it out. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Don't put your faith in one political candidate, or you'll be sorry.

I think the question you are really asking is that "Should we vote for Obama just because he is black?"

The answer to that question is YES. Let me explain.

The presidency is much more than a job, its about image. You have the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, the War on STD's, and most importantly the War on Racism. Each one of these War's are wars that are pretty much impossible to win. However, the biggest war that BLACK people should be concerned with is the War on Racism.

Now ask yourself, how can we move closer to racial equality in the U.S. What's the one thing we can do besides having bullshit little discussions and Non-For Profit organizations geared towards establishing racial equality? Having a black president, that's what! Having a black president is the biggest step we can take to help even the playing field for blacks everywhere. If a black man can be the President of the Free World, then he can certainly be the President of I.B.M or some shit. RESPECT is what we gain as a race with Obama as President, assuming he does a good job.

What about his views and his politics you say? What about them? You have watched the debates and heard each of the candidates speak and I assure you ALL of them TALK a good ass game. They are all just saying what they think people wanna hear. Not all the time, but most of a lot of the time. Why? Because the reality of the situation is the bureaucracy of CHANGE is very tumultuous, especially in the white house. All of you "Undecided" voters waiting around until a candidate says something that you like need to realize that anybody can say some shit, but will they back it up?

Bush has fucked things up far worse than Barack could ever do, and you are hung up on Barack's position on certain issues?

Vote for Obama...because he's black.

Is it better for Blacks if you elect a Black president and he's rendered ineffective? How is it?? If Obama's not ready to be president, which I'm not saying he isn't, but for arguments sake. If he aint ready, and he isn't JFK reincarnated, then you'll never get another one, plus you'll give the presidency back to the GOP in 4 years, which would be devastating way, way, way more devastating.

We produced Oprah, Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice. We already know we can be billionaires, on the Supreme Court, Secretary of State and all that good shit. The issue is, what will help Black people as a whole. I don't necessarily think that just by voting for a Black president alone is enough if he isn't prepared to battle Republicans.

I'm undecided on my vote as well. I feel your point. Sometimes the Obama supporters go a little overboard in their enthusiasm on this board, but for the most part (like everything else on here) it's all in fun. I appreciate their passion and the fact that they take their future's very seriously.

Of course, there are a few trolls on the board who just like to create confusion and division among black people regardless of the political environment. I just ignore those people like I always do.

Yes they do, and I agree with you, because this is the first time I've ever been able to talk about politics with people my own age . Usually, I'm the only Young Black Male voting where I'm at, and I'm hangin' around old women and white folks. It's exciting that Obama's got these brothers finally givin' a fuck for once, even if we disagree about a few things.

 

[Temujin]

The social signifigance of having a black president of the United States of America far outweighs any political leanings I may have. Besides the fact he is the best candidate for the job he is black and for me that means a whole hell of a lot.

When I was in third grade I wanted to be president by the time I reached eighth grade I thought a black person couldn't be president. Up until Barack I still thought a black person couldn't be president. The audacity of hope is a beautiful thing. The fact that my children and my childrens children can grow up believing that they can run this country one day is enough to get my vote.

Politically there is very little difference between Barack and Hillary. Everyone knows this. There is no reason a black person in America shouldn't vote for Barack. When is the next time you will have the chance to vote for a black person who has a legitimate chance to win the presidency. Probably not in our lifetime. This is history we are witnessing all we have to do is grab hold.

 

[audio syndicate]

some of yall....i don't even know the words

this isn't a fucking game...there are much larger repercussions to whoever stupid ass america chooses as its leader, and it's cute to want to make history and believe in "hope" some of yall need a fucking reality check ASAP.

this is NOT supposed to be a popularity contest, this should have been about getting the best and the brightest to the table to turn this disaster of a country back around before it becomes one big MADE IN CHINA based playtoy

instead, some of you idiots are busy talking about if a candidate is fat, or ugly, or latino, or white, or black...what does that have to do with being a sound manager? that's what the president is supposed to be..a sound manager

what does it take to be a sound manager of a country?

EXPERIENCE in running a large governmental organization, this is not something that should have on-the-job training

a fundamental understanding of the law and the governmental process

the ability to negotiate and deal with our foreign and domestic allies and enemies

and a host of other traits you dont see in ANY of the remaining candidates....

america really dropped the ball on this one...

call me a sellout if you want, but i will not be voting for any of the current candidates as i feel none of them are truly qualified to lead our country

if one of them picks a worthwhile candidate for vp and NOT EACH OTHER, i may reconsider, but as of right now....

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

The social signifigance of having a black president of the United States of America far outweighs any political leanings I may have. Besides the fact he is the best candidate for the job he is black and for me that means a whole hell of a lot.

When I was in third grade I wanted to be president by the time I reached eighth grade I thought a black person couldn't be president. Up until Barack I still thought a black person couldn't be president. The audacity of hope is a beautiful thing. The fact that my children and my childrens children can grow up believing that they can run this country one day is enough to get my vote.

Politically there is very little difference between Barack and Hillary. Everyone knows this. There is no reason a black person in America shouldn't vote for Barack. When is the next time you will have the chance to vote for a black person who has a legitimate chance to win the presidency. Probably not in our lifetime. This is history we are witnessing all we have to do is grab hold.

Did you see Barack coming??? So, how do you know there won't be anybody else? Jesse Jackson, Jr.(don't laugh), is the exact opposite of his father and has the ability to be just as great as Obama is, Harold Ford, Jr., and even Barack in the future. There are so many capable Black people in this generation who have learned how to play the political game. Obama is just the only one you're seeing now.

Black people should vote for who will help us most as a whole. If Barack's policies can do that then, okay, but him being Black does not necessarily make him best for Black people as a whole.

 

[divine]

EXPERIENCE in running a large governmental organization, this is not something that should have on-the-job training

With this logic, none of the candidates should be voted in because neither of them have experience being President of the United States of America.

So you will never vote for any candidate? Are you just making excuses not to vote because you're a felon?

 

[Genocide]

Is it better for Blacks if you elect a Black president and he's rendered ineffective? How is it?? If Obama's not ready to be president, which I'm not saying he isn't, but for arguments sake. If he aint ready, and he isn't JFK reincarnated, then you'll never get another one, plus you'll give the presidency back to the GOP in 4 years, which would be devastating way, way, way more devastating.

We produced Oprah, Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice. We already know we can be billionaires, on the Supreme Court, Secretary of State and all that good shit. The issue is, what will help Black people as a whole. I don't necessarily think that just by voting for a Black president alone is enough if he isn't prepared to battle Republicans.

What makes you think Obama isn't ready to battle Republicans? What makes you think he isn't ready to be president? You say "for argument's sake" but why would you say this if you didn't believe it? Obama has been a black man for 47 years, a Senator for four years, and a lawyer for 17 years. What would anyone think he couldn't do a good job?

Believe what you want to believe, but understand that your comments can do more harm than good. I made the same mistake in saying that Obama couldn't win in this false democracy. However, it doesn't matter what I believe because I will still vote for him. But, what if someone else hears me saying "Obama can't win" and decides not to vote? Then we have a real problem. You had no basis for your argument and you should watch it in the future.

 

[Drones216]

damn right!

 

[SpeedyMyk]

some of yall....i don't even know the words

this isn't a fucking game...there are much larger repercussions to whoever stupid ass america chooses as its leader, and it's cute to want to make history and believe in "hope" some of yall need a fucking reality check ASAP.

this is NOT supposed to be a popularity contest, this should have been about getting the best and the brightest to the table to turn this disaster of a country back around before it becomes one big MADE IN CHINA based playtoy

instead, some of you idiots are busy talking about if a candidate is fat, or ugly, or latino, or white, or black...what does that have to do with being a sound manager? that's what the president is supposed to be..a sound manager

what does it take to be a sound manager of a country?

EXPERIENCE in running a large governmental organization, this is not something that should have on-the-job training

a fundamental understanding of the law and the governmental process

the ability to negotiate and deal with our foreign and domestic allies and enemies

and a host of other traits you dont see in ANY of the remaining candidates....

america really dropped the ball on this one...

call me a sellout if you want, but i will not be voting for any of the current candidates as i feel none of them are truly qualified to lead our country

if one of them picks a worthwhile candidate for vp and NOT EACH OTHER, i may reconsider, but as of right now....

If being a senator, working on the state legislature and working hands-on in the city don't give you experience with working in the government, short of actually being president, how would you get it?

A fundamental understanding of the law and governmental process? He graduated top of the class at Harvard and was nominated to run the Harvard Law Review. How much more of a fundamental understanding of the law do you want?

Wake the fuck up

 

[TheKingofVa]

I agree with the OP poster 100 percent. My favorite right now is Edwards but it looks like he has no chance. I've been an Obama supporter since 2003 before he was in the national spotlight so I hope he wins the primary once Edwards backs out.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

 

[DaleMabry]

I dont understand why so many posters are simply scared to vote for Obama.

They come up with circuituous arguments that boil down to "I dont want people to think I/we voted for him just because he is black" or "he isnt gonna win anyway we may as well support a winner and get concessions out of them" or "he isnt gonna be our black messiah so fuck that phoney, what difference does it make"

Are we really THAT shook?

 

[TheKingofVa]

The social signifigance of having a black president of the United States of America far outweighs any political leanings I may have. Besides the fact he is the best candidate for the job he is black and for me that means a whole hell of a lot.

When I was in third grade I wanted to be president by the time I reached eighth grade I thought a black person couldn't be president. Up until Barack I still thought a black person couldn't be president. The audacity of hope is a beautiful thing. The fact that my children and my childrens children can grow up believing that they can run this country one day is enough to get my vote.

Politically there is very little difference between Barack and Hillary. Everyone knows this. There is no reason a black person in America shouldn't vote for Barack. When is the next time you will have the chance to vote for a black person who has a legitimate chance to win the presidency. Probably not in our lifetime. This is history we are witnessing all we have to do is grab hold.

^^^ This post right here is really scary, I hope a lot of people aren't thinking like this. To vote for someone just because they are half-black is insane. There will be many more candidates of color in the future. Vote for who is best to repair this wrecked country.