U.S. life span among shortest. Blacks in U.S. (just above Iran/Syria)

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U.S. life span shorter
August 11, 2007 05:08:02 PM PST

Americans are living longer than ever, but not as long as people in 41 other countries.

For decades, the United States has been slipping in international rankings of life expectancy, as other countries improve health care, nutrition and lifestyles.

Countries that surpass the U.S. include Japan and most of Europe, as well as Jordan, Guam and the Cayman Islands.

"Something's wrong here when one of the richest countries in the world, the one that spends the most on health care, is not able to keep up with other countries," said Dr. Christopher Murray, head of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

A baby born in the United States in 2004 will live an average of 77.9 years. That life expectancy ranks 42nd, down from 11th two decades earlier, according to international numbers provided by the Census Bureau and domestic numbers from the National Center for Health Statistics.

Andorra, a tiny country in the Pyrenees mountains between France and Spain, had the longest life expectancy, at 83.5 years, according to the Census Bureau. It was followed by Japan, Macau, San Marino and Singapore.

The shortest life expectancies were clustered in Sub-Saharan Africa, a region that has been hit hard by an epidemic of HIV and AIDS, as well as famine and civil strife. Swaziland has the shortest, at 34.1 years, followed by Zambia, Angola, Liberia and Zimbabwe.

Researchers said several factors have contributed to the United States falling behind other industrialized nations. A major one is that 45 million Americans lack health insurance, while Canada and many European countries have universal health care, they say.

But "it's not as simple as saying we don't have national health insurance," said Sam Harper, an epidemiologist at McGill University in Montreal. "It's not that easy."

Among the other factors:

• Adults in the United States have one of the highest obesity rates in the world. Nearly a third of U.S. adults 20 years and older are obese, while about two-thirds are overweight, according to the National Center for Health Statistics.

"The U.S. has the resources that allow people to get fat and lazy," said Paul Terry, an assistant professor of epidemiology at Emory University in Atlanta. "We have the luxury of choosing a bad lifestyle as opposed to having one imposed on us by hard times."

Racial disparities. Black Americans have an average life expectancy of 73.3 years, five years shorter than white Americans.

Black American males have a life expectancy of 69.8 years, slightly longer than the averages for Iran and Syria and slightly shorter than in Nicaragua and Morocco.


• A relatively high percentage of babies born in the U.S. die before their first birthday, compared with other industrialized nations.

Forty countries, including Cuba, Taiwan and most of Europe had lower infant mortality rates than the U.S. in 2004. The U.S. rate was 6.8 deaths for every 1,000 live births. It was 13.7 for Black Americans, the same as Saudi Arabia.

"It really reflects the social conditions in which African American women grow up and have children," said Dr. Marie C. McCormick, professor of maternal and child health at the Harvard School of Public Health. "We haven't done anything to eliminate those disparities."

Another reason for the U.S. drop in the ranking is that the Census Bureau now tracks life expectancy for a lot more countries — 222 in 2004 — than it did in the 1980s. However, that does not explain why so many countries entered the rankings with longer life expectancies than the United States.

Murray, from the University of Washington, said improved access to health insurance could increase life expectancy. But, he predicted, the U.S. won't move up in the world rankings as long as the health care debate is limited to insurance.

Policymakers also should focus on ways to reduce cancer, heart disease and lung disease, said Murray. He advocates stepped-up efforts to reduce tobacco use, control blood pressure, reduce cholesterol and regulate blood sugar.

"Even if we focused only on those four things, we would go along way toward improving health care in the United States," Murray said. "The starting point is the recognition that the U.S. does not have the best health care system. There are still an awful lot of people who think it does."

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On The Net:

Census Bureau: http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb

National Center for Health Statistics: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lifexpec.htm
 
Watching Sicko had me :angry:

This is really sad and a statement about our for profit health insurance system.
 
"As a Man Thinketh in His Heart, So is He"

We need to end the fatal relationship with western society, this can only accomplished by being self sufficient thru economic development.
 
First, how much of this has to do with personal behaviors ? There was a posting of statistics regarding the murder rate in America. From what I remember, Black people who account for 13% of the population accounted for 50% of the homicides. And 7 out of 8 of those homicides had a black assailant. This has a huge skewing effect on averages. For example, if you have 3 black men who live to be 80, and you have a black man murdered at 23, the average life expectancy among the 4 men would be 65. That one murder takes the average from a good one to a poor one among industrialized nations.

There are also many places for pregnant women to get help without payment, especially in the inner cities. I grew up in the hood, and all the help you usually got was pre-natal and some Similac after the baby was born. I wonder if there has ever been a comparison between the mortality rates among those who got pre-natal care and those who dodn't.
 
Imhotep said:
We need to end the fatal relationship with western society . . .
Does that imply we need to establish relationships with eastern societies? If so, which; and how would that help?

QueEx
 
Fuckallyall said:
First, how much of this has to do with personal behaviors ? There was a posting of statistics regarding the murder rate in America. From what I remember, Black people who account for 13% of the population accounted for 50% of the homicides. And 7 out of 8 of those homicides had a black assailant. This has a huge skewing effect on averages. For example, if you have 3 black men who live to be 80, and you have a black man murdered at 23, the average life expectancy among the 4 men would be 65. That one murder takes the average from a good one to a poor one among industrialized nations.

There are also many places for pregnant women to get help without payment, especially in the inner cities. I grew up in the hood, and all the help you usually got was pre-natal and some Similac after the baby was born. I wonder if there has ever been a comparison between the mortality rates among those who got pre-natal care and those who dodn't.




It’s ALL about personal behavior. From how we live our lives, from how we treat the illnesses once you need care. The US is fucked up as far as industrial “developed” societies. From our love of guns to the love of processed foods, to our sedentary, fat, non moving no exercising getting asses. On top of that, corporations are using more and more processed foods in our foods as well as unnatural ways to prepare the foods we buy. There is less profit in keeping healthy and more profit in treating the sick. It’s all about capitalism.
 
thoughtone said:



It’s ALL about personal behavior. From how we live our lives, from how we treat the illnesses once you need care. The US is fucked up as far as industrial “developed” societies. From our love of guns to the love of processed foods, to our sedentary, fat, non moving no exercising getting asses. On top of that, corporations are using more and more processed foods in our foods as well as unnatural ways to prepare the foods we buy. There is less profit in keeping healthy and more profit in treating the sick. It’s all about capitalism.
But if it's about personal behavior, you can't blame industry.

And. isn't it true that the loner you live and the healthier you are, the more you make and the more you buy ?
 
Fuckallyall said:
But if it's about personal behavior, you can't blame industry.

And. isn't it true that the loner you live and the healthier you are, the more you make and the more you buy ?

Humans in a society don’t live in a vacuum. We only make our decisions based on information available to us. Gun deaths in the United States vs. Canada. Detroit’s almost 20,000 violent crimes per year vs. Windsor, Canada’s 2300 violent crimes per year despite being only separated by a bridge and an international border. The conservative ideology, which the United States, generally abides by consists of I’ll get mine, you get yours leads to competition, which leads to survival of the fittest, which leads to stress and poorer health. The wealthy in American are healthy despite their consumptive life styles, because they have access to any kind of health care. American attitude is unhealthy, which leads to unhealthy people.
 
thoughtone said:
Humans in a society don’t live in a vacuum. We only make our decisions based on information available to us. Gun deaths in the United States vs. Canada. Detroit’s almost 20,000 violent crimes per year vs. Windsor, Canada’s 2300 violent crimes per year despite being only separated by a bridge and an international border. The conservative ideology, which the United States, generally abides by consists of I’ll get mine, you get yours leads to competition, which leads to survival of the fittest, which leads to stress and poorer health. The wealthy in American are healthy despite their consumptive life styles, because they have access to any kind of health care. American attitude is unhealthy, which leads to unhealthy people.
You are right, they don't. To counter the advertisements of merchandisers are many other sources of information saying things like "exersize and healthy diet lead to longer life" & "those with educations and no criminal record make more money". It's what you choose. Ande before you trot out the old "poor people don't have that information" shibolleth, I came from the projects and remember, specifically, the exposure to many good habits as well as bad ones (I often chose the bad ones early in life). And I find it ironic that you attack the very process that has brought mankind unprecedented progress that you now use to make this communication. And, Canada's gun crime rate did not have much of an inpact on the gun deaths, and much of Canada is actually undergoing increases in crime. Holla.
 
Fuckallyall said:
You are right, they don't. To counter the advertisements of merchandisers are many other sources of information saying things like "exersize and healthy diet lead to longer life" & "those with educations and no criminal record make more money". It's what you choose. Ande before you trot out the old "poor people don't have that information" shibolleth, I came from the projects and remember, specifically, the exposure to many good habits as well as bad ones (I often chose the bad ones early in life). And I find it ironic that you attack the very process that has brought mankind unprecedented progress that you now use to make this communication. And, Canada's gun crime rate did not have much of an inpact on the gun deaths, and much of Canada is actually undergoing increases in crime. Holla.

I’m not focusing on Blacks in projects, you are. Whites in middle class neighborhoods have bad health habits, rich white girls in Beverly Hills have weight issues and white children in lily white suburbs are blowing themselves away with guns. These are messages almost totally unique to American sociality. Which correlates to America being the only industrialize country not to have universal health care. Why do other industrialized countries have better overall health?

Canada will never have the violent crime rate the USA has, no matter how high in climbs.
 
First, I didn't focus on poor blacks in projects, either. I just used myself as a example of a non-rich person.

Second, never say never, especially when Canada has nowhere near the number or diversity of the US.
PS, I am NOT wishing Canada a high crime rate, just pointing out the facts.
 
When discussing this topic you can't ignore the role doctors have historically played in maintaining the status quo. From using Blacks as lab rats in the Tuskegee experiments to filling whites with radioactive materials during WWII or the fact that 100k people die every year due to doctor's fuckups. Doctors have always killed in the name of science, capitalism and the American way it shouldn't surprise anyone that American life expectancy is declining along class lines.
 
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