U.S. - China: Currency Wars

Re: Currency Wars: How Ben Bernanke Outsmarted China See full article from DailyFina

Ashimac,

Did you run this by the people at <font size="3">Lamar & Cruise</font size> ???

They usually keep a sharp eye on monetary policy and matters involving the FedRes, especially if Obama is somehow involved or implicated. The Daily Finance article has been out there now for 3 days. Have they commented yet ???

QueEx
 
Re: Currency Wars: How Ben Bernanke Outsmarted China See full article from DailyFina

Ashimac,

Did you run this by the people at <font size="3">Lamar & Cruise</font size> ???

They usually keep a sharp eye on monetary policy and matters involving the FedRes, especially if Obama is somehow involved or implicated. The Daily Finance article has been out there now for 3 days. Have they commented yet ???

QueEx

Quantitative Easing is a double-edged sword. It may have the Chinese on their heels a bit but the cost to US consumers, in terms of food & energy, are punishing the poor, middle-class, & those on fixed-incomes.

A follow-up question if I could: If we conclude Bernanke outsmarted the Chinese, we must ask ourselves: At whose expense?

Bernanke wins, Goldman Sachs wins, but what about the people?
 
Re: Currency Wars: How Ben Bernanke Outsmarted China See full article from DailyFina

Everyone loses with these currency games between the Fed and the Chinese.

With Fed/Bernanke inflation, the Chinese must subsidize United States consumers to stay in power. The problem is it causes gas and food prices to increase EVERYWHERE in the world!

Well, look at that! Food prices ARE increasing!

Those revolts in Tunisia and Egypt are just the beginning. I guess Bernanke is too smart to realize his inflation is causing this.

Of course, that leads to governments collapsing where the oil has to either travel or be drilled. And guess what?

Gas prices start skyrocketing.

And, it was all because Bernanke "outsmarted" the Chinese.

YAY! These whites are so smart.
 
Re: Currency Wars: How Ben Bernanke Outsmarted China See full article from DailyFina

Everyone loses with these currency games between the Fed and the Chinese.

With Fed/Bernanke inflation, the Chinese must subsidize United States consumers to stay in power. The problem is it causes gas and food prices to increase EVERYWHERE in the world!

Well, look at that! Food prices ARE increasing!

Those revolts in Tunisia and Egypt are just the beginning. I guess Bernanke is too smart to realize his inflation is causing this.

Of course, that leads to governments collapsing where the oil has to either travel or be drilled. And guess what?

Gas prices start skyrocketing.

And, it was all because Bernanke "outsmarted" the Chinese.

YAY! These whites are so smart.

Give the man a break, it's a chess game, you have to give up a pawn or two sometimes to get the king. The king right now is employment, and the first step is to shake the Chinese off our backs.
 
Re: Currency Wars: How Ben Bernanke Outsmarted China See full article from DailyFina

I think this article has it backward. THe fed is simply monetizing the debt, and making the US citizens pay more for the same thing. This is the second round, and the first round is still out there. It is nothing more than (at best) temporary government created inflation.
 
Re: Currency Wars: How Ben Bernanke Outsmarted China See full article from DailyFina

I think this article has it backward. THe fed is simply monetizing the debt, and making the US citizens pay more for the same thing. This is the second round, and the first round is still out there. It is nothing more than (at best) temporary government created inflation.

I think your right, the food supply is getting hit with a bunch of freakish weather conditions. Russia is a major exporter and their forest fires forced them to ban exports. I believe their was a drought in china also. Add to that expanding demand from the growing middle class in china and really world wide and we have a today's high food prices.

Now keep an eye on oil. If it skyrockets to $150 again where in trouble. Transportation is a major input to food costs.
 
Re: Currency Wars: How Ben Bernanke Outsmarted China See full article from DailyFina

Why is it every time food prices go up...

the government/FED (or its mass media lackeys) always blame it on some drought, or storm, or disease, or flood?

It is never because the government/FED spent too much, bailed-out too much, borrowed too much.

Why is there magically always a food crisis when the government f***s up the money?

Is it me or is it just an ongoing coincidence.
 
China To Cut 2/3 of it's USD Holdings

I normally don't post market related news at all or post much in this forum period but this is VERY IMPORTANT considering the U.S. fiscal crisis.

All those who were hoping global stock markets would surge tomorrow based on a ridiculous rumor that China would revalue the CNY by 10% will have to wait. Instead, China has decided to serve the world another surprise. Following last week's announcement by PBoC Governor Zhou (Where's Waldo) Xiaochuan that the country's excessive stockpile of USD reserves has to be urgently diversified, today we get a sense of just how big the upcoming Chinese defection from the "buy US debt" Nash equilibrium will be. Not surprisingly, China appears to be getting ready to cut its USD reserves by roughly the amount of dollars that was recently printed by the Fed, or $2 trilion or so. And to think that this comes just as news that the Japanese pension fund will soon be dumping who knows what. So, once again, how about that "end of QE" again?


From Xinhua:

China's foreign exchange reserves increased by 197.4 billion U.S. dollars in the first three months of this year to 3.04 trillion U.S. dollars by the end of March.

Xia Bin, a member of the monetary policy committee of the central bank, said on Tuesday that 1 trillion U.S. dollars would be sufficient. He added that China should invest its foreign exchange reserves more strategically, using them to acquire resources and technology needed for the real economy.

And as if the public sector making it all too clear what is about to happen was not enough, here is the private one as well:

China should reduce its excessive foreign exchange reserves and further diversify its holdings, Tang Shuangning, chairman of China Everbright Group, said on Saturday.

The amount of foreign exchange reserves should be restricted to between 800 billion to 1.3 trillion U.S. dollars, Tang told a forum in Beijing, saying that the current reserve amount is too high.

Tang's remarks echoed the stance of Zhou Xiaochuan, governor of China's central bank, who said on Monday that China's foreign exchange reserves "exceed our reasonable requirement" and that the government should upgrade and diversify its foreign exchange management using the excessive reserves.

Tang also said that China should further diversify its foreign exchange holdings. He suggested five channels for using the reserves, including replenishing state-owned capital in key sectors and enterprises, purchasing strategic resources, expanding overseas investment, issuing foreign bonds and improving national welfare in areas like education and health.

However, these strategies can only treat the symptoms but not the root cause, he said, noting that the key is to reform the mechanism of how the reserves are generated and managed.

The last sentence says it all. While China is certainly tired of recycling US Dollars, it still has no viable alternative, especially as long as its own currency is relegated to the C-grade of not even SDR-backing currencies. But that will all change very soon. Once the push for broad Chinese currency acceptance is in play, the CNY and the USD will be unpegged, promptly followed by China dumping the bulk of its USD exposure, and also sending the world a message that US debt is no longer a viable investment opportunity. In fact, we are confident that the reval is a likely a key preceding step to any strategic decision vis-a-vis US FX exposure (read bond purchasing/selling intentions). As such, all those Americans pushing China to revalue, may want to consider that such an action could well guarantee hyperinflation, once the Fed is stuck as being the only buyer of US debt.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/china-proposes-cut-two-thirds-its-3-trillion-usd-holdings

For those who come in with that "If they sell our debt they'll take themselves down with us" argument. That argument is very tired. China has been using their Dollars to buy everything up including the debts of certain European countries and investing heavily into buying the Australian Dollar.
 
Re: China To Cut 2/3 of it's USD Holdings

There is a plus side for the US. Labor becomes cheaper and some jobs will no longer need to be migrated as the countries with rising currency becomes expensive to market the jobs to. Also the debt becomes cheaper to pay off with the devalued dollars. It's not all dooms day.
 
Re: China To Cut 2/3 of it's USD Holdings

check this view out
http://www.forexstophunters.com/2011/04/dxy-china-2-trillion-unwanted.html
Sunday, 24 April 2011DXY: China 2 Trillion Unwanted
The press is filled with statements from Chinese officials about the need to redeploy 2 trillion Dollars from their reserves, rumors were floated late last week of a 10% Yaun revaluation this weekend. We should all be grateful that they are telegraphing this so we can front run this avalanche of dollar selling. Thank you China for ringing the bell now after this tremendous upside run in EURUSD. Ah, the skeptic in me says they are looking for a bid to sell into what they say they will be diversifying into. Weren't they massive buyers in EURUSD at 118 and Eurobonds when the Euro was going ro disintegrate. They may have the intention to do this, but they are better traders than to sell USD's into extreme pessimisim and no bids. Me thinks they are seeking bagholders and will engineer a DXY rally and Euro decline before pulling the trigger and will not preannounce lol.


Good hunting
at 23:25
 
Re: Could tariffs force China to play fair with its currency?

Of course it could. But do you honestly think that'll happen? Afterall, how do you think China received "most favored nation" status? Contributions to U.S. politicians that's how. And with the Supreme Court's recent decision allowing coporations and foreign interests to contribute to candidates, no way corrupt legislators are gonna even suggest imposing tariffs. :hmm:
. . . one year later, maybe we get to see . . . maybe not



Senate Passes Bill to Sanction China Over Currency




The Senate has voted to punish China for keeping its currency undervalued
against the dollar.

Many see China's currency policy as a big factor in the flood of Chinese imports
that has led to American factories shutting down and workers getting laid off.

The 63-35 vote Tuesday evening shows the growing anger over the U.S. trade
relation with China. The Asian nation built up a $273 billion surplus last year
bolstered by monetary policy that makes its exports cheaper and American
sales to China more expensive.

But the bill to punish China is likely to hit a dead end in the House.

House Republican leaders agree with many business groups that unilateral action
against China could spark a trade war. The Obama administration has indicated
a preference for diplomatic persuasion.






http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/11/senate-passes-bill-to-sanction-china-over-currency/



 
Everytime I see this thread it pisses me off.

To think the United States Federal government, the Federal Reserve, and Wall Street have the nerve to talk about someone else's business, when they can't handle their own.

I think more people are seeing the outrageous hypocrisy of the "elites" and the lampposts are being picked and the ropes are being knotted.
 
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