TV Tech Biz: Streaming platforms like HBO Max & Disney+ struggle with 'churn'

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HBO Max is set up enough to really be safe from that. All the major blockbusters coming to theaters are coming to them also.
South park in HD with no commercials. Amazing
All the adult swim shows.
Cartoon Network
All the HBO shows
Solid classic movie lineup
Classic warner

They are the titan to beat.

I got Disney + to watch Hamilton when it came out, and honestly the only two things I have watched on there are classic simpsons and Hamilton. I may peep soul eventually, but thats not worth an entire subscription.

I got Hulu for 1.99 during the christmas period and I have looked at it twice. To watch a few Ranma 1/2 episodes and some bob's burgers(which can be found on my youtube tv subscription honestly)

If Netflix and Amazon Prime are constants, then I am more likely to drop Hulu and Disney+ before I drop HBO max.
 
It’s better to have a customer than no customer at all.. it’s like a restaurant..yes you want everybody to order the lobster cause you generate the most money from it( yrly subscription),but at the end of the day would you rather have a full house with a percentage of people buying chicken fingers (a churner)or an almost empty restaurant with only a few seats full of lobster buyers?

u’’ll have these churn individuals from time to time cause some of those people either are curious about your platform or their for specific thing and when they are done with what they need they bounce.. you at least get some money off of them.. you also try to figure out what made them stop by or why they didn’t stay.. fig out the customer base and maybe add on content that will have them return or will have them stay a lil longer

disney and hbo max have a lot of content coming out this yr which should either attract more churners or have individuals willing to stay longer.. it shouldn’t be looked as a problem just an observation of diff demographs in this streaming service bizz.. both parties are gonna generate more money regardless just by having this service available period.. you don’t keep people coming to a club cause of 1 big event you had , you keep them coming back for consistently entertaining them and having a cool establishment
 
HBO Max is set up enough to really be safe from that. All the major blockbusters coming to theaters are coming to them also.
South park in HD with no commercials. Amazing
All the adult swim shows.
Cartoon Network
All the HBO shows
Solid classic movie lineup
Classic warner

They are the titan to beat.

I got Disney + to watch Hamilton when it came out, and honestly the only two things I have watched on there are classic simpsons and Hamilton. I may peep soul eventually, but thats not worth an entire subscription.

I got Hulu for 1.99 during the christmas period and I have looked at it twice. To watch a few Ranma 1/2 episodes and some bob's burgers(which can be found on my youtube tv subscription honestly)

If Netflix and Amazon Prime are constants, then I am more likely to drop Hulu and Disney+ before I drop HBO max.

really?

disney+ is the kids GO TO

and now that the series are coming back to back?

Mandalorian, Wandavision, Falcon Winter Solider and movies and classic series I think its essential

So is Amazon (since its attached to everything Prime) and the series and content is SOLID.

HULU is good its almost like regular TV to me. It has classic series some quality new stuff, the network shows I miss when they originally air...

I cannot complain about HBO Max the price is too high but the CONTENT Is INSANE just off it being HBO

but add the blockbuster movies going STRAIGHT to the app and the movies they ALREADY have add the STRONG animation library?

Its hard to RANK

but if you could ONLY have 3 apps?

Netflix Disney+ (with HULU ESPN) Amazon Prime are STILL the top 3

to ME...

now if HBO Max can keep the price down?
 
really?

disney+ is the kids GO TO

and now that the series are coming back to back?

Mandalorian, Wandavision, Falcon Winter Solider and movies and classic series I think its essential

So is Amazon (since its attached to everything Prime) and the series and content is SOLID.

HULU is good its almost like regular TV to me. It has classic series some quality new stuff, the network shows I miss when they originally air...

I cannot complain about HBO Max the price is too high but the CONTENT Is INSANE just off it being HBO

but add the blockbuster movies going STRAIGHT to the app and the movies they ALREADY have add the STRONG animation library?

Its hard to RANK

but if you could ONLY have 3 apps?

Netflix Disney+ (with HULU ESPN) Amazon Prime are STILL the top 3

to ME...

now if HBO Max can keep the price down?
Netflix and Disney are the hamburgers and hotdogs of a kids bbq.. hbo max will eventually work its way into being chicken wings... most people couldn’t imagine having a bbq without burgers and hotdogs.. there’s been a lot of bbqs without chicken but adding chicken to the bbq is a great addition.. this is how it’s gonna end up.. Netflix and Disney as 1 and 2.. hbo max might end up having the most churne but they gonna make some money within the system
 
HBO Max is set up enough to really be safe from that. All the major blockbusters coming to theaters are coming to them also.
South park in HD with no commercials. Amazing
All the adult swim shows.
Cartoon Network
All the HBO shows
Solid classic movie lineup
Classic warner

They are the titan to beat.

I got Disney + to watch Hamilton when it came out, and honestly the only two things I have watched on there are classic simpsons and Hamilton. I may peep soul eventually, but thats not worth an entire subscription.

I got Hulu for 1.99 during the christmas period and I have looked at it twice. To watch a few Ranma 1/2 episodes and some bob's burgers(which can be found on my youtube tv subscription honestly)

If Netflix and Amazon Prime are constants, then I am more likely to drop Hulu and Disney+ before I drop HBO max.


Paramount+ will be a contender as well. It's CBS All access, plus the Viacom channels (Nick, BET, Comedy Central, MTV) I'm sure there will be some Showtime content as well.
 
Everybody has a number they won’t surpass cause the whole point of this is to avoid paying for cable

:yes:

“The one thing consumers have told us over and over is, ‘I won’t pay more than I used to pay for linear television,’” Westcott said, referring to the cable and satellite TV bundles to which streaming services were supposed to be a cost-effective alternative. “People are finding that ad-supported platforms have good content.”
 
:yes:

“The one thing consumers have told us over and over is, ‘I won’t pay more than I used to pay for linear television,’” Westcott said, referring to the cable and satellite TV bundles to which streaming services were supposed to be a cost-effective alternative. “People are finding that ad-supported platforms have good content.”

YUP
 
Everybody has a number they won’t surpass cause the whole point of this is to avoid paying for cable
I still have cable plus Netflix, Disney, Hulu and Amazon. Through cable I get HBO Max and Showtime Anytime. I think I have Cinamax also. The streaming area for me is not so much about saving money, but having the most access to media I want to consume.
 
The Streaming Wars Are Turning Into a Game of Catch-up
Peacock’s addition of the WWE and HBO’s green-lighting of another ‘Game of Thrones’ spinoff are big splashes, ones that also underscore just how far they have to go before challenging Netflix
By Alison Herman Jan 27, 2021, 8:22am EST
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2020 saw the Streaming Wars ramp up in earnest. 2021 is when platforms like Peacock, Disney+, and HBO Max will have to prove themselves as lasting entities instead of fresh arrivals. Even though the year is just a few weeks old, there are already a slew of updates that indicate the current state of play, as well as what’s to come. Companies are coalescing around what they perceive to be their most valuable assets—some in the form of the intellectual property that increasingly drives the culture, others in areas underserved by the streaming revolution. The news runs the gamut from Harry Potter to hockey, but it converges on a familiar theme: a game of collective catch-up that could hinge on the players’ arsenals. Let’s dive in.
Everyone Needs Their Own Flagship IP
The highest-profile streaming launch of the past few months is certainly WandaVision, the debut Marvel series on Disney+ and the official melding point of the MCU and the non-cinematic Marvelverse. It’s too early to tell whether WandaVision’s mystery box has much inside it, and so far it’s clear that detailed homages to The Dick Van Dyke Show don’t have the same visceral power as “Yoda, but a baby.” Still, the rollout has been smooth and has established Disney+ as a home base for substantive installments in not one, but two major franchises. Soon, both The Mandalorian and WandaVision will be joined by a barrage of companions; it’s all part of a plan that’s still in its early stages, yet shows no signs of slowing down.

Such momentum naturally inspires the sincerest form of flattery. This week, two pieces of news leaked from WarnerMedia, the parent company of HBO Max that’s bet heavily on the service as the company’s future, to the point of alienating talents like Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve. The first is the development of yet another Game of Thrones prequel in addition to House of the Dragon and a since-scrapped pilot starring Naomi Watts. (The latest nascent series will adapt The Tales of Dunk & Egg, a series of novellas set about a century before the show.) The second is a potential Harry Potter series, a concept so preliminary it has no set writers, actors, directors, or even slant on the material.


HBO is now several years into trying to turn Game of Thrones’ monoculture-extending success into an extended universe of its own. Harry Potter, a series technically in the WarnerMedia domain thanks to the ongoing film franchise centered on spinoff Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, is both a new and obvious target for the ongoing gold rush. (Meanwhile, the Potter theme parks are under Universal, an entirely different media conglomerate. IP: It’s a labyrinth!) And while author J.K. Rowling has voiced some repugnant views regarding trans people in recent years, her reputation hasn’t devalued the massive narrative universe she’s built—or at least, it hasn’t yet.
WarnerMedia already has the DC Extended Universe. It’s an endeavor that’s been unable to match Marvel’s perceived untouchability, but it includes success stories like Wonder Woman 1984, which marked a subscription spike with its Christmas release despite some chaotic execution. But as Disney has already shown, one massive franchise to buoy your multimedia efforts is good; two, or even three, is even better. Replicating the Marvel or Star Wars model is not as simple as snapping one’s fingers—even Star Wars has stumbled with Solo and Rise of Skywalker—but it’s easy to see why WarnerMedia wants to play up its assets. Such resources are legacy companies’ built-in advantage compared to newcomers like Netflix, and if exploited properly, they can build the foundation Netflix constructed with its head start and massive spending.
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Sports, Streaming, and Streamlining
Not every piece of the foundation needs to be scripted, however. At its launch in July, NBCUniversal’s Peacock service was heavily marketed as “free,” or at least unique among major streamers in having a free, ad-subsidized option in addition to multiple premium tiers. Six months in, the service is now turning its attention to funneling more of its tens of millions of sign-ups toward the $4.99 and $9.99 a month options. (NBCUniversal does not disclose the breakdown of subscription tiers in its sign-up totals, though it seems likely the free one is the most popular.)

The campaign to make this walled garden more enticing starts with Peacock’s would-be trump card. Earlier this month, Peacock unveiled both the full run of The Office, poached back from Netflix at a hefty price, and a flotilla of accessories to accompany it, unusual for an archival show. (On Netflix, The Office’s blockbuster success was accidental, or at least unplanned; on Peacock, the spotlight is very much the point.) Most of The Office’s catalog lies behind Peacock’s paywall, as do full seasons of original series like Brave New World and Saved by the Bell. And joining those scripted shows, there are also select matches from the English Premier League, an offering that got relatively little attention upon launch but now seems to foreshadow a slew of major moves.
On January 22, NBC announced the closure of NBC Sports Network by the end of the year, indicating much of its programming will carry over to Peacock—details are sparse, but NBCSN featured NHL and NASCAR as well as the EPL. And just this week, Peacock announced a partnership with the WWE to serve as its streaming hub for premium subscribers, a move that comes in tandem with the closure of the WWE Network streaming service.
For the past few years, linear brodcast’s greatest remaining advantage over purely streaming TV has been sports. (Anecdotally, almost all of the non-cord-cutters in my life are sports fans. Many of them are my colleagues.) As much as Damian Lillard raps that “Hulu has live sports,” we’re still very far away from a time when the average sports fan could be satisfied with over-the-top options alone—but we do appear to be entering a period when sports will be a much more explicit selling point for platforms. “One of the key things we’re trying to do is differentiate ourselves through live events and sports,” Peacock executive Rick Cordella told The Wall Street Journal.
The WWE pivot, in particular, is also part of another larger story: the streamlining of the Streaming Wars as competitors either go under or opt to consolidate. Most infamous is Jeffrey Katzenberg’s Quibi, whose originals are now licensed to Roku. The end of the WWE Network service is a more positive story; NBCUniversal reportedly paid more than $1 billion for a five-year contract. (That’s two The Offices!) But it also marks a $9.99-per-month platform subsuming itself into a different platform (with plenty of other options included) widely available at half the price. The field is shrinking, ever so slightly, and continuing to coalesce around a handful of major players.
Netflix Hits a Key Milestone
Meanwhile, Netflix still represents what, in many ways, these newer entrants are trying to achieve. It’s now been the better part of a decade since Netflix started bankrolling original series in a bid for subscribers, a playbook most of its rivals are currently cribbing. Now, Netflix is starting to move into a new phase that represents the best-case outcome for those replicating its experiment.

In its Q4 earnings report earlier this month, the company unveiled a surprising figure on top of its typical subscriber tallies: zero, the amount of debt it plans to take on going forward in order to finance its dizzying output of original films and series. To finance productions before subscriber revenue could sustain the company in its own right, Netflix had previously taken on $16 billion in debt, a liability many skeptics pointed to as the service ascended. It’s a staggering number that can finally stop growing.
That still leaves Netflix with an estimated $10 billion to $15 billion of debt to actually pay down. But as HBO Max and Peacock vie for consideration as proper peers, the financial turning point is also a reminder that Netflix is just much further along in its big-picture timetable, even though it started without the muscle of Disney or WarnerMedia behind it. With nearly 204 million subscribers worldwide, including 66 million in the United States, Netflix is what a fully mature streaming service looks like. As we look forward to HBO Max’s international expansion, the launch of Paramount+, and the continued ramp-up of Disney’s master plan, Netflix’s present remains the future others are striving toward.
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The streaming services are crap to me, because of the tier system. Since the pandemic, I’ve done a few free trials, to watch new movies and then canceled before my trial ends. Works like a charm, too.
 
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The Streaming Price Wars Have Begun
By Josef Adalian

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Worried about how to beat the increasingly high cost of streaming? Good news: Even as Netflix recently upped its monthly fee — and Disney+ is about to do the same — a price war has broken out among several of the newer platforms. As they battle to get cost-conscious consumers to notice them, baby streamers have been serving up some particularly attractive deals in recent weeks. The savings can be substantial — particularly if you’re willing to make a long-term commitment.

Ahead of next month’s transformation of CBS All Access into Paramount+, owner ViacomCBS is letting consumers sign up for a year of the platform for a whopping 50 percent off the usual price tag. Committing to an annual plan currently costs as little as $30 (or $2.50 per month) for the ad-supported version of the streamer. The ad-free version of the service can be had for $50 per year, or $5 per month. The $30 plan is similar, though not quite as attractive, as Hulu’s recent Black Friday offers, which slashed the price of the service to just under $2 per month with a one-year commitment. Hulu, however, didn’t offer the deep discount for its ad-free plan.

Just-launched Discovery+ has trimmed prices for two of its ad-free plans by 30 percent, at least through Sunday. As part of a Valentine’s Day promotion, a six-month subscription is down to $29 (instead of the normal $42) while a year currently costs $59 (versus the usual $84). Caveats: The discounts don’t apply to the ad-supported version of Discovery+ (which remains $5 per month), and remember, if you’re a Verizon subscriber, you may be eligible for a free six- or 12-month trial subscription.

➽ HBO Max has extended a holiday promotion that trims a little more than 20 percent off the cost of a subscription, reducing the streamer’s usual $15 per month price tag to $70 if you prepay for six months (that’s $11.67 per month). It follows a September promotion that let customers lock in savings for a full year. (HBO Max is still being offered for free to many AT&T wireless and phone customers.)
They’re trying to lock people in order to avoid churn.

Given the number of major streamers that have bowed over the past 18 months, it is not all that surprising that companies are having to hustle to get consumers to check them out. The pandemic has folks streaming more TV shows and movies, but unemployment remains high and millions are likely looking to cut costs for nonessential budget items. Plus, the proliferation of new platforms means getting Jane Q. Streamer to add another $5, $10, or $15 for yet another service is a big ask — particularly when Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and now Disney+ are so firmly established. Making streaming more affordable can be an easy way to get cost-conscious potential customers to smash that subscribe button. “It’s all about grabbing land share,” explains LightShed partner and media analyst Rich Greenfield, who says Wall Street wants to know these new services are at least getting sampled beyond a one-week (or one-month) trial period. “Investors are rewarding companies for subscriber [tallies].”

Most of the current deals keep the base monthly rate unchanged, instead offering a break only if a consumer is willing to make a minimum commitment of six months or more. That is no accident. “They’re trying to lock people in order to avoid churn,” Greenfield says. Indeed, unlike cable TV — where getting rid of an HBO or Showtime add-on requires calling in, waiting for a customer-service rep, and then hoping you’re not assaulted by a desperate plea not to downgrade — it is very easy for someone to cancel a streaming service. A couple clicks, and you’re good to go. Longer-term plans give new services breathing room as they work to build their subscriber base and their programming libraries. (That last point is key right now, given the pandemic’s continuing effect on the production pipeline.)

I Want My Bundle Back (Bundle Back Bundle Back)

Avoiding churn may also be why we have seen more streaming bundles pop up of late. Disney, for example, offers Disney+ packaged with Hulu and ESPN+ for a discounted price of $13 per month (vs. $18 per month if purchased separately). While the bundle isn’t a great deal unless you are a frequent user of all three services, it gives consumers the perception of value and expanded choice. That in turn reduces churn, since someone who’s not feeling Disney+ for a few months will likely stick around if they are being served well by Hulu and ESPN+.
Disney’s streaming strategy takes a page from its consumer parks division.

Disney, by the way, has been something of a pioneer in offering deep discounts in exchange for loyalty: It has offered a cheaper annual plan for Disney+ since it began signing up customers, even giving its best superfans the chance to lock in a low price for a whopping three years. (Given next month’s planned price hike, that turned out to be a very good deal for consumers.) Disney’s streaming strategy takes a page from its consumer parks division, which for decades has let California and Florida residents buy annual passes to build up loyalty to the Disney brand (and keep the parks full when it’s not tourist season).

Bundles are also a great way for companies to maximize the value of smaller platforms. AMC Networks, for instance, has assembled an impressive collection of niche streamers such as Shudder, Sundance Now, and IFC Films Unlimited. They’re all quality platforms, but separately, they have limited appeal. So the company recently decided to put the full library of content from all three services on to a new supersize app dubbed AMC+, throwing in a selection of shows from AMC proper and BBC America as a bonus. The whole package is priced at $9 per month, which isn’t cheap, but is also less than half of what the three speciality streamers cost on a stand-alone basis.

ViacomCBS has also been testing out a bundle of sorts. It is selling Showtime and the ad-free version of CBS All Access/Paramount+ — $21 if bought à la carte — for just $10 per month. The only hitch: You have to also be an Apple TV+ subscriber. Still, given Apple’s own commitment to discounting right now — most of its current users are getting the service for free as a bonus for buying Apple products — the ViacomCBS bundle is a particularly sweet deal, at least if you’re a fan of CBS and Showtime programming.

Will All This Actually Work?

Of course, anyone signing up for these offers needs to know we are quite possibly living through what will soon be known as the good old days of streaming discounts. Much the way Netflix eventually got rid of its once-standard 30-day free trials, as these new streamers mature, they will almost surely ditch the deals. Luring new subscribers is paramount (pun intended) right now for newbie services, but as Greenfield points out, “The question is eventually going to be, what is the profitability of these subscribers.” It’s great to have 50 million subscribers, but if they’re only paying a few dollars per month, they’re likely not making a service a ton of money.

In India and a few other countries, for instance, Disney offers Disney+ bundled with its general entertainment Hotstar for something like $20 per year. That gives it broad reach (and helps boost those global Disney+ subscriber tallies) but results in Disney bringing in less revenue per subscriber than it does in other countries. While newer streamers aren’t offering Hotstar-like discounts in the U.S., they’re definitely selling their goods well below sustainable long-term cost. That won’t last. “At some point, if your service is good enough, it has to be good enough to warrant subscribing” at a non-discounted rate, Greenfield says. What’s more, even if something is (relatively) cheap, consumers won’t remain signed up forever if they don’t feel a service is worth it. “People aren’t going to stay on if they’re not engaged.”

Disney’s Earnings Day Is Here

Is Disney+ about to cross the 100 million subscriber mark? Probably not, but I wouldn’t be shocked if the Mouse House still stuns when it reports its fourth-quarter earnings — and its current subscriber tallies — later today. December’s investor presentation (you know, the one where the company said it would be mining something like 5,000 new shows from its IP library) not only wowed Wall Street; it also served as a brilliant marketing stunt aimed at wooing holiday shoppers to give the gift of Disney+. That, combined with the strong numbers for Pixar’s Soul, could in theory have driven a slew of sign-ups and put the Big D over the magic milestone. It’ll be close: Disney+ was at 87 million at the start of December, and analysts such as JPMorgan’s Alexia Quadrani are very optimistic (she’s predicting 95 million). We’ll get the news after the stock market closes this afternoon.

Roku Loops In More Live Channels

Random fact: I have never listened to that “Baby Shark” song all the way through. My personal boycott aside, folks whose kids can’t get enough of the musically monotonous fish now have a reason to check out the Roku Channel. Roku’s free, ad-supported streamer is adding a live, linear channel devoted to nothing but Baby Shark content, giving parents another way to keep their kiddos occupied. The Baby Shark channel is one of 13 virtual channels joining Roku’s live lineup as of today. Other new options:

Six channels devoted to various music video genres, including ’80s and ’90s music for us olds (plus channels playing hip-hop, country, and party jams.) Programming will come from Loop, a new-ish company that serves up on-demand video playlists via its mobile and TV apps, and is already doing the live linear thing on Roku Channel competitor Plex. This is very good news for those of us who still remember when MTV played music videos (but when is somebody going to bring back VJs?).

K-Pop stans can get Korean variety and reality shows, music specials, and drama on K-ID, and Korean dramas such as Secret Garden on Kocowa Classic.

Hallmark Movies & More aggregates content from the Hallmark Channel library.

Bloomberg Quicktake serves up news for millennial audiences (see also: Cheddar).

CineVault Westerns will feature oaters from the Sony library, while Cine Romántico will play Spanish-language romance movies.

Tubi Goes to Sundance

While we’re on the topic of ad-supported VOD, it’s a big week for the Fox-owned Tubi. The streamer is in the middle of a massive promotional push it’s dubbed Free Like Tubi week, which basically consists of lots of targeted promotional stunts and giveaways across social media (including Fox’s various show handles). This morning, it unveiled plans for a massive expansion of its already impressive News On Tubi hub, announcing it will add live news feeds from over 80 local TV stations around the country over the next few months.

And perhaps most interestingly, on Monday Tubi said it had acquired director Danny Madden’s Sundance selection Beast Beast and will begin streaming the feature film Friday. While it no doubt paid nowhere near the $25 million or so Apple TV+ threw down for the much bigger Sundance sensation CODA, that Tubi spent any money at all on a feature film is a sign of how serious it — and other companies — are about the free on-demand streaming space. Amazon’s IMDb TV is already producing original shows, Roku recently invested serious coinage for the remains of the Quibi and I’m expecting we’ll see even more ambitious plays to come as 2021 goes along. The race to turn AVOD into the new broadcast TV is on.
 
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