TRUMP SUPPORTERS TINA CAMPBELL & CHRISETTE MICHELE REBOOT AFTER BACKLASH

Shiiit....it's both literal and figurative, before we can make any progress as a people, coons like you must be eliminated. Real talk.

Again, you're not killing NOTHING. It's all aggressive talk from behind a computer screen, that won't leave there.

In the real world I'm living my best life, unbothered by fuck niggas like you and building with brothers with the common goal of improving ourselves, our families, and our communities.

Fuck outta here, nigga.
 
this is patently untrue. this is a projected illusion that is only accepted by the simple and easily persuaded.


thats bullshit too. you know white folks practice economic oppression against white folks as much as they do against us, right? you know thats why they created the whole class thing to keep poor white folks from joining Black people to work against rich oppressors, right? you know white supremacy does not benefit MOST white folks in the U.S., it EXPLOITS most white folks, right?


this is a real rose colored way of remembering severe government enacted economic apartheid, but whatever.

Say what you want but during Jim Crow black people only had themselves to depend on and we had more pride, unity, and capital. I never said it was rose glasses, you just assumed I felt it was. Then if we had wealth how come it disappeared after integration. You do know integration was a strategy to separate black people from their capital with the pretense others were going to accept us and do business with us. Well that failed miserably. Then you say other groups don't look out for themselves first? If untrue then why ain't fresh of the boat people hiring those from outside their community? I know what I see in Chicago and I can tell you that my city is one of the most segregated cities in America based off economics, housing, and politics. Maybe you see things differently where you are at. Yes the class struggle is real but the race issue has just as much sway.
 
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Say what you want but during Jim Crow black people only had themselves to depend on and we had more pride, unity, and capital.

what scientific studies can you cite to support this? how do you quantify pride in a race of people? how do you identify unity? if what your basing this on is anecdotes then your presenting your opinions, not hard facts.

Then if we had wealth how come it disappeared after integration. You do know integration was a strategy to separate black people from their capital with the pretense others were going to accept us and do business with us.

what are you specifically talking about?

Then you say other groups don't look out for themselves first? If untrue then why ain't fresh of the boat people hiring those from outside their community? I know what I see in Chicago and I can tell you that my city is one of the most segregated cities in America based off economics and politics. Maybe you see things differently where you are at. Yes the class struggle is real but the race issue has just as much sway.

you said: ALL OTHER GROUPS STAY ON CODE. this sir, is called an absolute. speaking in absolutes is a logical fallacy. those other groups youre speaking of have YOU fooled. in reality you are not seeing white communities from the inside out. they only APPEAR to be unified to those who do not know better.
 
what scientific studies can you cite to support this? how do you quantify pride in a race of people? how do you identify unity? if what your basing this on is anecdotes then your presenting your opinions, not hard facts.



what are you specifically talking about?



you said: ALL OTHER GROUPS STAY ON CODE. this sir, is called an absolute. speaking in absolutes is a logical fallacy. those other groups youre speaking of have YOU fooled. in reality you are not seeing white communities from the inside out. they only APPEAR to be unified to those who do not know better.

You sure come off as presumptuous and dismissive of others:smh:.






^^^^^I am just making shit up so me and these videos are poppy cock according to you but they are there for you dismiss as falsehood.

This web pages below is more poppycock

The Destruction of Black Wealth
BOB HERBERT

MARCH 9, 2012

Businesses owned by African Americans are suffering at higher rates than most during the downturn.

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Some youngsters want to grow up to become artists or athletes or firefighters. Some want to be doctors or dancers. Charles Walker wanted to own a supermarket.

“Ever since I can remember, I wanted my own grocery store,” he said over lunch on a quiet afternoon in snowbound Detroit last year. To Walker, “grocery store” meant a gleaming, well-run supermarket, not necessarily huge but well stocked and scrupulously clean, with fresh meats and produce and first-class customer service.

“I had retail in my blood,” he told me. “I grew up here in Detroit, but I had a grandmother we used to visit in Alabama, and she had a store that sold cookies and candies, and she had a pop machine. That all seemed pretty cool to a little kid. And the people my mother worked for owned a meat market. That was their life. As I got older, going to high school and college, I worked there in the summers. That appealed to me, too, and they seemed to be making a good living. I thought that I could do something on a larger scale, and I really wanted to.”

The upside of this story is that Charles Walker, a black kid from a rough-and-tumble neighborhood in Detroit, realized his dream. It took a long time, but after years of working and prudent money management, after stints as a manager for CVS stores and a market called Metro Foodland, he was able to put together a deal, with help from relatives and a handful of outside investors, for a market that was part of the discount Sav-A-Lot chain. At age 47, the happily married father of three grown children had his supermarket.

That was in 2004. Detroit was in the midst of yet another comeback scenario, but decent food stores were rare, and black-owned markets, even rarer. Walker’s store was one of only two black-owned supermarkets in the entire city.

He did well for a while, bringing in $100,000 a week and employing a staff of 20. The store was a gleaming marvel in a neighborhood that was struggling but seemed to be improving. Then, as Walker put it, “the economy changed.”

Not nearly enough attention has been paid to the damage that the continuing Great Recession has done to black Americans. It’s true that jobs and homes were lost across a wide expanse of ethnic and income groups. It’s true that white businesses as well as black-owned firms have failed. But African American communities were particularly vulnerable, and the downturn swept through them like an invading army, destroying wealth that had been painstakingly accumulated over decades and, in some cases, generations.

Cornerstone institutions like minority-owned banks and black churches are being hammered, according to Deborah Wright, president of Carver Bancorp in New York, the largest black-run bank in the country. Some banks have already gone under, and others are in bad shape. Carver handles financing for a large number of black churches, and Wright says, “For the first time since I’ve been in this field, I’m seeing churches fail. That is very, very unusual. It speaks to the distress that their parishioners are under.”

The Pew Research Center reported last summer that the median wealth of white households in the wake of the recession was an astonishing 20 times that of black households. The black unemployment rate at the end of last year was close to 16 percent, comparable to the average national unemployment rate during some years of the Great Depression. But even 16 percent does not begin to capture the horror of unemployment in black America. The hardest of the hard-core unemployed are not even included in the official government statistics. I’ve been to neighborhoods in Boston; Chicago; Detroit; Camden, New Jersey; and other cities in which the majority, sometimes the vast majority, of the working-age population is jobless. Forget the smiling faces on television citing the latest hopeful economic statistics. Forget the assurances of self-styled black intellectuals that we are in some sort of marvelous post-racial era in which anybody can realize his or her dreams. The black community is shouldering its way through an economic calamity. More than a quarter of all black Americans are poor, as are more than a third of all black children. Doors of economic opportunity—in the workforce, in access to higher education, and elsewhere—are slamming shut at a breathtaking rate.

For many small African American businesses, and for countless entrepreneurs like Charles Walker, the downturn has been ruinous. The inevitable reduction in demand from a customer base struggling disproportionately with joblessness and the home-foreclosure crisis came at the same time as a drastic curtailment in access to capital for most small businesses. For black businesses, already chronically undercapitalized, the one-two punch was often fatal.

Small businesses generally get started and survive their early stages with capital drawn from the personal assets—mainly savings and real estate—of the business owners, their relatives, and friends. Home equity is a common source of collateral for small-business loans. With substantially lower levels of wealth and homeownership to begin with, blacks have a much harder time putting together start-up capital, and they find it more difficult to hang on during rough patches in the economy. The Great Recession was much worse than anyone’s idea of a rough patch.

David Beck of Self-Help, a nonprofit lender that has concentrated on minority businesses, told me: “With this financial crisis, the amount of equity wiped out in minority communities is just jaw-dropping, and that is devastating to small businesses. Once that home-equity collateral is wiped away, it’s really hard to find anything to replace it with.”

The ferocity of the recession has made it difficult in some cases for sympathetic lenders—black or white—to stay in business. The most dramatic example was the fall of ShoreBank in Chicago, which pioneered the concept of a community--oriented bank that would provide capital to establish and help sustain minority--owned firms. ShoreBank made more than $4 billion in investments and was responsible for the rehabilitation of tens of thousands of units of affordable housing. One of ShoreBank’s clients was Charles Walker. “I was actually one of their bigger projects in Detroit,” he said. But the Great Recession destroyed the dreams of both. ShoreBank closed its doors on August 20, 2010.

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It was inevitable, as the recession and its dismal aftermath persisted, that black businesses would fold at a higher rate than normal, and at a higher rate than white-owned businesses. Official statistics are difficult to come by, but the hard evidence of shuttered shops, restaurants, and offices can be viewed in neighborhoods across the country. Black-owned auto dealerships have taken a terrible hit. By mid-2011, according to Automotive News, there were just 261 black-owned dealerships in the U.S., half as many as three years earlier. White-owned dealerships suffered a decline of 18 percent over the same period.

At the same time that this carnage in existing businesses was occurring, African Americans who lost jobs in the recession and were desperate for work began trying to start businesses of their own. Their goal was to create a job for themselves. Few winners are expected to emerge from that effort. The newcomers have tended to lack business experience as well as capital, and few mainstream lenders have been willing to help.

When the recession struck, Charles Walker had already poured all of his modest personal wealth into his Sav-A-Lot market. “It was difficult even before the recession,” he said. “But I’ve always been a hard worker, and I was doing OK for a while—I’d say for about three years. When I first opened up, they were building houses in the neighborhood. As the economy changed, they stopped building houses. People started to leave the neighborhood. Those were my customers. A Chrysler plant that was nearby shut down one of its shifts. It was rough. I thought the economy would start to turn around at some point in time, but it never did.”

“As everything started closing down all around me,” he continued, “I started to feel like I was on this island all by myself. I was struggling, taking from Peter to pay Paul, and that was the start of the downward spiral. I went to my investors and asked them to put up additional funds—you know, ante up some more to try and keep us going. And they did. I did get some more money from the bank. And I went to Sav-A-Lot and asked them to give me different terms. They worked with me. But you can’t keep borrowing money. I couldn’t see my way out, so I had to make the tough decision.”

I rode with Walker from the restaurant where we’d had lunch to the large parking lot outside his supermarket, which had already been shut down. We walked through the snow to the front of the store, and he unlocked the doors to what had once been his dream. With the flick of a switch, the store filled with light. It was still scrupulously clean, but the shelves were empty and the registers were gone. The heat had been turned way down, so it was cold. Walker gave me a tour, telling me in detail of the way things once had been.

It’s a mistake to think there was much of a flourishing black business sector even before the recession. Walker’s supermarket, which probably would have survived and might have thrived if the economy had held, was unusual. More than 90 percent of black-owned businesses are one-person affairs—the owner is the only employee.

Small businesses in general tend to be undercapitalized and lack such fundamental resources as finance and marketing experts. Black firms are even less likely to have that kind of expertise within reach. According to the Association for Enterprise Opportunity, which specializes in the development of microenterprises, less than 5 percent of all firms in the U.S. generate annual sales of a million dollars or more. For black firms, it’s less than 1 percent.

Proponents of black business development make a persistent effort to cast the best possible light on a bleak environment. ShoreBank, as good a friend as small black enterprises have ever had, found only a few sectors in which such firms could thrive. Most were retail or service start-ups with little hope of succeeding. Few were in bolder enterprises like manufacturing, wholesaling, or distribution. The quality of most businesses that applied for loans was poor.

ShoreBank found some success financing minority-owned franchises of large national organizations like McDonald’s, which offered its franchisees high-level corporate support in such areas as cost control, marketing, and mass advertising. The bank had great success supporting businesses that purchased and rehabilitated rental properties—as long as the housing market held up. Other types of enterprises did not do well.

The cold truth is that the chances for success are extremely slim for aspiring black entrepreneurs in an environment in which unemployment is chronically high, inequality of wealth and income is off the charts, and capital of any sort is hard to come by. There is also the continuing problem of racial discrimination. Studies have consistently shown that black-owned firms experience higher rates of loan denial and pay interest at higher rates than white-owned businesses, even after credit worthiness and other factors are taken into account.

The scale of the problem is huge, and the resources of those trying to deal with it are, by comparison, minuscule. Hundreds of nonprofits, credit unions, and community-development financial institutions are trying to fill the breach. But black businesses will never thrive if they have to rely primarily on a customer base that is depressed economically, isolated socially, and the target of persistent racial discrimination.

Deborah Wright made it clear that even Carver Bancorp, established in the 1940s, is not immune. When I asked about its outlook, she said: “The jury is still out. We’re going to fight to the end, but it’s a hard nut. It really is.”

It is futile to view the desperate struggle of African American businesses outside the context of two overwhelming imperatives: the obligation of the United States to figure out how to put its population to work in jobs that will support families and sustain a world-class economy; and the parallel obligation, perpetually avoided, to bring black Americans and all of their talent and energy fully into the fold of the wider society.

James Baldwin warned of the fire next time. Failure to face up to those two imperatives will lead ultimately to the failure not just of black-owned business enterprises but the failure of American society itself.


So let's try something different. Other groups may not have a utopian community but they know to circulate their dollars multiple times before their dollars leave their community. If you dismiss this than you are not being honest. Then we have to ask why black dollars aren't touching more black hands.

How integration led to the decline of black-owned businesses
A Center of Activity
By Barney Blakeney


A few days ago I ran into Clay Middleton, a candidate for the S.C. House of Representatives Dist. 111 seat currently held by Rep. Floyd Breeland. I've long held Middleton in high regard since he was a cadet at The Citadel. He has proven himself to be a leader, first as an Army officer who served in Iraq then as an assistant to Rep. Jim Clyburn and a field organizer for the state Democratic Party. At 26 years old, Middleton seems wise beyond his years.

Our conversation ranged from the state of black America to strategies for bringing more resources to Dist. 111. Ultimately, we discussed the reasons for some of the disparities in the black community.

According to Middleton, his generation of African Americans seems to think they have no reason to continue the quest for equal rights and opportunities. But he says nothing could be further from the truth.

The need to continue pushing for equal opportunity is as great today as it was in the past. While there has been progress socially, economic progress has been a lot slower.

Another participant in the discussion suggested that integration has led to what many consider stagnated economic progress in the black community. The premise is one I've heard many times. Before integration, black-owned businesses flourished, the guy said. In the past, Morris Street in downtown Charleston, along with Spring and Cannon streets, was a vibrant center of activity for black business. Those businesses flourished because blacks were unwelcome in many white-owned businesses.

A classic example of how integration caused the demise of many black-owned businesses is the former Dee Dex Snack Bar. During the late 1960s and 1970s, integration opened the doors of fast food restaurants like Piggy Park on Rutledge Avenue and the Patio on Spring Street. Until then, Dee Dex Snack Bar had been the premier fast food restaurant for blacks downtown.

The business was originally located on Calhoun Street where Gaillard Auditorium is now. The auditorium's construction displaced the snack bar and drugstore owned by the late Deward Wilson and scores of black families. When the business relocated to Spring Street, its business continued to flourish, but its days were numbered.

The old Brooks Motel, formerly located on Morris Street, is another example of how integration has contributed to decreasing numbers of viable black-owned businesses. Built prior to the signing of the Civil Rights Act into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1967, the motel accommodated most of the civil rights leaders when they came to Charleston, including Dr. Martin L. King, Jr. Today, there's no sign of the motel or Brooks Restaurant, across from the motel on Morris Street. Both were demolished to make way for condominiums, which have displaced not only businesses but also families in the traditionally black neighborhood.

While integration has contributed to a reduction in the number of black-owned businesses, I'm convinced that our failure to fully implement integration is the greater culprit. America has never fully integrated its society, and that has left many would-be black entrepreneurs out of the economic loop.

Middleton said he thinks education is the key to success for African Americans, economic and otherwise. He hopes that by making a quality education available to more blacks and other minorities, they can create more economic opportunities for themselves and their communities.

As the campaigns for House Dist. 111 develop in the coming months, I'll be interested in seeing how budding new leaders like Middleton address challenging issues like full integration and economic progress among blacks.





I know you are the expert on everything buk. Please keep us educated with your infallible truths.
 
Why you mad?
And what does your " I need to fly to Columbia to buy pussy" know about having the respect of black women.

Hey how did Mirimichi play? Heard Dude from the boyband took a bath selling that course for cheaper then all the cake he dumped into it bringing it up to normal course standards.
 
You sure come off as presumptuous and dismissive of others:smh:.
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and youre using evidence that does not support your previous statements.

Black pride is not identified or quantified by the information youve provided.

Black Unity is not identified or quantified by the information youve provided.

All other groups always being on code is not proven by the information youve provided.

i dont have to be an expert on anything to recognize propaganda when i see it.
 
and youre using evidence that does not support your previous statements.

Black pride is not identified or quantified by the information youve provided.

Black Unity is not identified or quantified by the information youve provided.

All other groups always being on code is not proven by the information youve provided.

i dont have to be an expert on anything to recognize propaganda when i see it.



I disagree black pride is quantified by the resources the black community can produce by black talent for the black community to strive.

I disagree black unity is quantified by the black politics practiced and black education applied in the black community.

Then you attack the third party information I provided but it was you debunking the economic power black people had prior to integration which was why I posted it in the first place. If we still have that power then please tell what the hell is happening today? Only two logical conclusions can be drawn either 1.) we aren't capable of providing good services compared to others. 2.) we can't convince people in our community that the white man's ice is not colder then the black man's ice. Which one is it as it applies in this time?

All other groups are on code when it comes to getting black dollars if you think that is false then how come other groups can open a business in the black community and thrive on black consumer dollars, but a black business will not work in their community? Now if black economics can't be connected to black pride and black unity then I don't know what to tell you.
 
You sure come off as presumptuous and dismissive of others:smh:.






^^^^^I am just making shit up so me and these videos are poppy cock according to you but they are there for you dismiss as falsehood.

This web pages below is more poppycock

The Destruction of Black Wealth
BOB HERBERT

MARCH 9, 2012

Businesses owned by African Americans are suffering at higher rates than most during the downturn.

PinIt418InstapaperEmail


Some youngsters want to grow up to become artists or athletes or firefighters. Some want to be doctors or dancers. Charles Walker wanted to own a supermarket.

“Ever since I can remember, I wanted my own grocery store,” he said over lunch on a quiet afternoon in snowbound Detroit last year. To Walker, “grocery store” meant a gleaming, well-run supermarket, not necessarily huge but well stocked and scrupulously clean, with fresh meats and produce and first-class customer service.

“I had retail in my blood,” he told me. “I grew up here in Detroit, but I had a grandmother we used to visit in Alabama, and she had a store that sold cookies and candies, and she had a pop machine. That all seemed pretty cool to a little kid. And the people my mother worked for owned a meat market. That was their life. As I got older, going to high school and college, I worked there in the summers. That appealed to me, too, and they seemed to be making a good living. I thought that I could do something on a larger scale, and I really wanted to.”

The upside of this story is that Charles Walker, a black kid from a rough-and-tumble neighborhood in Detroit, realized his dream. It took a long time, but after years of working and prudent money management, after stints as a manager for CVS stores and a market called Metro Foodland, he was able to put together a deal, with help from relatives and a handful of outside investors, for a market that was part of the discount Sav-A-Lot chain. At age 47, the happily married father of three grown children had his supermarket.

That was in 2004. Detroit was in the midst of yet another comeback scenario, but decent food stores were rare, and black-owned markets, even rarer. Walker’s store was one of only two black-owned supermarkets in the entire city.

He did well for a while, bringing in $100,000 a week and employing a staff of 20. The store was a gleaming marvel in a neighborhood that was struggling but seemed to be improving. Then, as Walker put it, “the economy changed.”

Not nearly enough attention has been paid to the damage that the continuing Great Recession has done to black Americans. It’s true that jobs and homes were lost across a wide expanse of ethnic and income groups. It’s true that white businesses as well as black-owned firms have failed. But African American communities were particularly vulnerable, and the downturn swept through them like an invading army, destroying wealth that had been painstakingly accumulated over decades and, in some cases, generations.

Cornerstone institutions like minority-owned banks and black churches are being hammered, according to Deborah Wright, president of Carver Bancorp in New York, the largest black-run bank in the country. Some banks have already gone under, and others are in bad shape. Carver handles financing for a large number of black churches, and Wright says, “For the first time since I’ve been in this field, I’m seeing churches fail. That is very, very unusual. It speaks to the distress that their parishioners are under.”

The Pew Research Center reported last summer that the median wealth of white households in the wake of the recession was an astonishing 20 times that of black households. The black unemployment rate at the end of last year was close to 16 percent, comparable to the average national unemployment rate during some years of the Great Depression. But even 16 percent does not begin to capture the horror of unemployment in black America. The hardest of the hard-core unemployed are not even included in the official government statistics. I’ve been to neighborhoods in Boston; Chicago; Detroit; Camden, New Jersey; and other cities in which the majority, sometimes the vast majority, of the working-age population is jobless. Forget the smiling faces on television citing the latest hopeful economic statistics. Forget the assurances of self-styled black intellectuals that we are in some sort of marvelous post-racial era in which anybody can realize his or her dreams. The black community is shouldering its way through an economic calamity. More than a quarter of all black Americans are poor, as are more than a third of all black children. Doors of economic opportunity—in the workforce, in access to higher education, and elsewhere—are slamming shut at a breathtaking rate.

For many small African American businesses, and for countless entrepreneurs like Charles Walker, the downturn has been ruinous. The inevitable reduction in demand from a customer base struggling disproportionately with joblessness and the home-foreclosure crisis came at the same time as a drastic curtailment in access to capital for most small businesses. For black businesses, already chronically undercapitalized, the one-two punch was often fatal.

Small businesses generally get started and survive their early stages with capital drawn from the personal assets—mainly savings and real estate—of the business owners, their relatives, and friends. Home equity is a common source of collateral for small-business loans. With substantially lower levels of wealth and homeownership to begin with, blacks have a much harder time putting together start-up capital, and they find it more difficult to hang on during rough patches in the economy. The Great Recession was much worse than anyone’s idea of a rough patch.

David Beck of Self-Help, a nonprofit lender that has concentrated on minority businesses, told me: “With this financial crisis, the amount of equity wiped out in minority communities is just jaw-dropping, and that is devastating to small businesses. Once that home-equity collateral is wiped away, it’s really hard to find anything to replace it with.”

The ferocity of the recession has made it difficult in some cases for sympathetic lenders—black or white—to stay in business. The most dramatic example was the fall of ShoreBank in Chicago, which pioneered the concept of a community--oriented bank that would provide capital to establish and help sustain minority--owned firms. ShoreBank made more than $4 billion in investments and was responsible for the rehabilitation of tens of thousands of units of affordable housing. One of ShoreBank’s clients was Charles Walker. “I was actually one of their bigger projects in Detroit,” he said. But the Great Recession destroyed the dreams of both. ShoreBank closed its doors on August 20, 2010.

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It was inevitable, as the recession and its dismal aftermath persisted, that black businesses would fold at a higher rate than normal, and at a higher rate than white-owned businesses. Official statistics are difficult to come by, but the hard evidence of shuttered shops, restaurants, and offices can be viewed in neighborhoods across the country. Black-owned auto dealerships have taken a terrible hit. By mid-2011, according to Automotive News, there were just 261 black-owned dealerships in the U.S., half as many as three years earlier. White-owned dealerships suffered a decline of 18 percent over the same period.

At the same time that this carnage in existing businesses was occurring, African Americans who lost jobs in the recession and were desperate for work began trying to start businesses of their own. Their goal was to create a job for themselves. Few winners are expected to emerge from that effort. The newcomers have tended to lack business experience as well as capital, and few mainstream lenders have been willing to help.

When the recession struck, Charles Walker had already poured all of his modest personal wealth into his Sav-A-Lot market. “It was difficult even before the recession,” he said. “But I’ve always been a hard worker, and I was doing OK for a while—I’d say for about three years. When I first opened up, they were building houses in the neighborhood. As the economy changed, they stopped building houses. People started to leave the neighborhood. Those were my customers. A Chrysler plant that was nearby shut down one of its shifts. It was rough. I thought the economy would start to turn around at some point in time, but it never did.”

“As everything started closing down all around me,” he continued, “I started to feel like I was on this island all by myself. I was struggling, taking from Peter to pay Paul, and that was the start of the downward spiral. I went to my investors and asked them to put up additional funds—you know, ante up some more to try and keep us going. And they did. I did get some more money from the bank. And I went to Sav-A-Lot and asked them to give me different terms. They worked with me. But you can’t keep borrowing money. I couldn’t see my way out, so I had to make the tough decision.”

I rode with Walker from the restaurant where we’d had lunch to the large parking lot outside his supermarket, which had already been shut down. We walked through the snow to the front of the store, and he unlocked the doors to what had once been his dream. With the flick of a switch, the store filled with light. It was still scrupulously clean, but the shelves were empty and the registers were gone. The heat had been turned way down, so it was cold. Walker gave me a tour, telling me in detail of the way things once had been.

It’s a mistake to think there was much of a flourishing black business sector even before the recession. Walker’s supermarket, which probably would have survived and might have thrived if the economy had held, was unusual. More than 90 percent of black-owned businesses are one-person affairs—the owner is the only employee.

Small businesses in general tend to be undercapitalized and lack such fundamental resources as finance and marketing experts. Black firms are even less likely to have that kind of expertise within reach. According to the Association for Enterprise Opportunity, which specializes in the development of microenterprises, less than 5 percent of all firms in the U.S. generate annual sales of a million dollars or more. For black firms, it’s less than 1 percent.

Proponents of black business development make a persistent effort to cast the best possible light on a bleak environment. ShoreBank, as good a friend as small black enterprises have ever had, found only a few sectors in which such firms could thrive. Most were retail or service start-ups with little hope of succeeding. Few were in bolder enterprises like manufacturing, wholesaling, or distribution. The quality of most businesses that applied for loans was poor.

ShoreBank found some success financing minority-owned franchises of large national organizations like McDonald’s, which offered its franchisees high-level corporate support in such areas as cost control, marketing, and mass advertising. The bank had great success supporting businesses that purchased and rehabilitated rental properties—as long as the housing market held up. Other types of enterprises did not do well.

The cold truth is that the chances for success are extremely slim for aspiring black entrepreneurs in an environment in which unemployment is chronically high, inequality of wealth and income is off the charts, and capital of any sort is hard to come by. There is also the continuing problem of racial discrimination. Studies have consistently shown that black-owned firms experience higher rates of loan denial and pay interest at higher rates than white-owned businesses, even after credit worthiness and other factors are taken into account.

The scale of the problem is huge, and the resources of those trying to deal with it are, by comparison, minuscule. Hundreds of nonprofits, credit unions, and community-development financial institutions are trying to fill the breach. But black businesses will never thrive if they have to rely primarily on a customer base that is depressed economically, isolated socially, and the target of persistent racial discrimination.

Deborah Wright made it clear that even Carver Bancorp, established in the 1940s, is not immune. When I asked about its outlook, she said: “The jury is still out. We’re going to fight to the end, but it’s a hard nut. It really is.”

It is futile to view the desperate struggle of African American businesses outside the context of two overwhelming imperatives: the obligation of the United States to figure out how to put its population to work in jobs that will support families and sustain a world-class economy; and the parallel obligation, perpetually avoided, to bring black Americans and all of their talent and energy fully into the fold of the wider society.

James Baldwin warned of the fire next time. Failure to face up to those two imperatives will lead ultimately to the failure not just of black-owned business enterprises but the failure of American society itself.


So let's try something different. Other groups may not have a utopian community but they know to circulate their dollars multiple times before their dollars leave their community. If you dismiss this than you are not being honest. Then we have to ask why black dollars aren't touching more black hands.

How integration led to the decline of black-owned businesses
A Center of Activity
By Barney Blakeney


A few days ago I ran into Clay Middleton, a candidate for the S.C. House of Representatives Dist. 111 seat currently held by Rep. Floyd Breeland. I've long held Middleton in high regard since he was a cadet at The Citadel. He has proven himself to be a leader, first as an Army officer who served in Iraq then as an assistant to Rep. Jim Clyburn and a field organizer for the state Democratic Party. At 26 years old, Middleton seems wise beyond his years.

Our conversation ranged from the state of black America to strategies for bringing more resources to Dist. 111. Ultimately, we discussed the reasons for some of the disparities in the black community.

According to Middleton, his generation of African Americans seems to think they have no reason to continue the quest for equal rights and opportunities. But he says nothing could be further from the truth.

The need to continue pushing for equal opportunity is as great today as it was in the past. While there has been progress socially, economic progress has been a lot slower.

Another participant in the discussion suggested that integration has led to what many consider stagnated economic progress in the black community. The premise is one I've heard many times. Before integration, black-owned businesses flourished, the guy said. In the past, Morris Street in downtown Charleston, along with Spring and Cannon streets, was a vibrant center of activity for black business. Those businesses flourished because blacks were unwelcome in many white-owned businesses.

A classic example of how integration caused the demise of many black-owned businesses is the former Dee Dex Snack Bar. During the late 1960s and 1970s, integration opened the doors of fast food restaurants like Piggy Park on Rutledge Avenue and the Patio on Spring Street. Until then, Dee Dex Snack Bar had been the premier fast food restaurant for blacks downtown.

The business was originally located on Calhoun Street where Gaillard Auditorium is now. The auditorium's construction displaced the snack bar and drugstore owned by the late Deward Wilson and scores of black families. When the business relocated to Spring Street, its business continued to flourish, but its days were numbered.

The old Brooks Motel, formerly located on Morris Street, is another example of how integration has contributed to decreasing numbers of viable black-owned businesses. Built prior to the signing of the Civil Rights Act into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1967, the motel accommodated most of the civil rights leaders when they came to Charleston, including Dr. Martin L. King, Jr. Today, there's no sign of the motel or Brooks Restaurant, across from the motel on Morris Street. Both were demolished to make way for condominiums, which have displaced not only businesses but also families in the traditionally black neighborhood.

While integration has contributed to a reduction in the number of black-owned businesses, I'm convinced that our failure to fully implement integration is the greater culprit. America has never fully integrated its society, and that has left many would-be black entrepreneurs out of the economic loop.

Middleton said he thinks education is the key to success for African Americans, economic and otherwise. He hopes that by making a quality education available to more blacks and other minorities, they can create more economic opportunities for themselves and their communities.

As the campaigns for House Dist. 111 develop in the coming months, I'll be interested in seeing how budding new leaders like Middleton address challenging issues like full integration and economic progress among blacks.





I know you are the expert on everything buk. Please keep us educated with your infallible truths.




It was those blacks from the civil rights era who sold blacks out today leaving blacks with nothing to rely on. All because they felt what whites had was better and wanted to be close to whites. Those sell out ass niggas weren't shit only thinking about themselves and not the future generations. That's why it's hard for me to respect the elder generation like 65 and older. Imaging if blacks stayed on course with black businesses and passed it down, blacks today would have less issues with white supremacy. We wouldn't be begging them for a job or hoping the application wasn't thrown away, housing food, etc.
 
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Separate your quotes from mine Megatron X so people will not think that it was me who typed what you typed.

Edit: I see you just did it:cool:
 
I disagree black pride is quantified by the resources the black community can produce by black talent for the black community to strive.

you cannot quantify something in the absence of scientific data.

there is no scientific method for gauging Black pride.

if you cannot admit this truth, there is no reason to continue this.
 
you cannot quantify something in the absence of scientific data.

there is no scientific method for gauging Black pride.

if you cannot admit this truth, there is no reason to continue this.


I gave scientific information. It was you who said this regarding my thoughts on pre intergration "this is a real rose colored way of remembering severe government enacted economic apartheid, but whatever."

So I posted third party information to show you that black businesses thrived during government sponsored segregation. The question you should be asking is what happened and why did none of it pass down? Nothing rose colored about it. Next everything can't be attributed to a scientific formula. Things are just the way they are because things happen. Black businesses that used to exist are not here anymore. What scientific flow chart do you need for that? Black economics is a key indicator in black unity and black pride. I don't see how anyone can separate those factors from each other.

With that said I can tell your heart and mind is in the right place because I know mine is. It will take all kinds of strategies and ideas from the black community to improve our current condition so those coming after us will have something to gain. Some of your thoughts are correct and some can be challenged. Likewise can be said about me or anyone else for that matter. What remains is what can be done to improve the type of positive changes we both want to see?

 
The arrogance

And I know niggas are going to make Jesus jokes because that's the thing to do but even Christian leaders such as Jamal Bryant and Rev William Barber have been openly in opposition to Trump and Jamal Bryant even called out Paula White to the point of rebuking her.

 
A lot of really good points made in this thread. Those two will be fine. Sadly one of the biggest issues us so called Black people have is lack of economic cohesiveness. We may not own all the business in our community but we are the ones with the money that keep those business going. Also it is easy to say boycott those business. If the people talking about boycotting would actually show a full plan for boycott complete with contingency for food and products it would help. Telling people not to buy from a people who own 99.9 percent of everything in your community or reasonable distance just comes off hot talk. For all the people I don't fuck with or do business with I don't have comparable Black own businesses to spend my money with. The few Black owned business I do patronize are not all owned by Black people that live in the community because once they got enough money most moved to other neighborhoods. So the money is leaving the community anyway. I have lived to see friends who grew up in the north east Bronx move up the whitelandia (Westchester County) only to regret it years later when they see their child who is in a school of mostly white kids just just happens to always hit the potluck of winding up in classes with every other non white child in the school.
 
I gave scientific information. It was you who said this regarding my thoughts on pre intergration "this is a real rose colored way of remembering severe government enacted economic apartheid, but whatever."

So I posted third party information to show you that black businesses thrived during government sponsored segregation. The question you should be asking is what happened and why did none of it pass down? Nothing rose colored about it. Next everything can't be attributed to a scientific formula. Things are just the way they are because things happen. Black businesses that used to exist are not here anymore. What scientific flow chart do you need for that? Black economics is a key indicator in black unity and black pride. I don't see how anyone can separate those factors from each other.

With that said I can tell your heart and mind is in the right place because I know mine is. It will take all kinds of strategies and ideas from the black community to improve our current condition so those coming after us will have something to gain. Some of your thoughts are correct and some can be challenged. Likewise can be said about me or anyone else for that matter. What remains is what can be done to improve the type of positive changes we both want to see?
my man.

stop lying.

the information you provided does not apply to the study of Black Pride.

you must site studies done specifically about Black pride in order to know if it's increased or decreased.

you did not do that.

you cannot force the information you posted to apply to whatever subject you like.

please stop bullshitting me.

its offensive.
 
my man.

stop lying.

the information you provided does not apply to the study of Black Pride.

you must site studies done specifically about Black pride in order to know if it's increased or decreased.

you did not do that.

you cannot force the information you posted to apply to whatever subject you like.

please stop bullshitting me.

its offensive.

I still say black pride is tied into black economics. Agree to disagree:dunno:.

With that said I know you are a Christian based off your many debates about the faith on this board. I find it strange when people ask hardcore Christians for scientific proof of the Bible being real all of the sudden faith and indoctrination is stronger than proof, but want proof on everything else:rolleyes:. I have no hard feelings towards you personally but I had to take it there.
 
So if they voted and sang for democrats would you all have been satisfied? Please tell the difference between a democrat and a republican cause I really don’t see a difference. That’s why I don’t get into this democrat/republican shit. You niggaz been Democrats for decades and they’ve played you ever since. It was the Democrats who were all for keep niggaz in chains. Niggaz catch an equal amount of hell under both parties.
THANK YOU !!!!!
 
Hey how did Mirimichi play? Heard Dude from the boyband took a bath selling that course for cheaper then all the cake he dumped into it bringing it up to normal course standards.
It played like Big Creek, which it what it was known as before JT bought it and tripled the greens fees.
 
I know Black Christians are typically the butt of jokes but they responded, look at those empty seats.

 
I never understood why those christian, church-going, juicy ass Campbell sisters always dressed like they about to hit the club. Now, I ain't mad (only applies to Erica) but I jut don't understand. :D


Also, thin ass crowd serves her Alf lookin ass right. Good.
 
I'll add this, Tina was quite selfish to boldly support Trump and to tell the Black community essentially to fuck off, because despite the fact that Mary Mary will go down as one of the greatest Gospel acts, she put her sister Erica in a tough spot, Tina has the stronger voice but Erica is prettier and more likable. Now Erica has to look at distancing herself from Tina because it can be toxic for her solo career which is doing much better than Tina..

Erica is in a tough spot, who thinks about distancing yourself from your siblings.
 
theres this arrogance i see in Tina that just doesnt seem humble like how u expect a christian should be, especially someone who is supposedly intune with teh spirit, and its the cause of her downfall
 
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More than a few brown people solicited support for the current leader of the United States, Donald Trump. Those efforts, for the most part, were rewarded with a one-way ticket on the ever-growing “cancelled” list. Now two of Black entertainment’s biggest Trump Stans, Tina and Chrisette Michele, are looking to make a comeback with their core fans, and finding out it’s not so easy.

First up, Tina. The Mary Mary singer has come under tremendous scrutiny since copping to voting for Trump “because he’s a Christian.Bye Tina. Following her convictions has resulted in the singer managing potentially serious financial toll. Campbell recently cut short a tour promoting her new album, It’s Still Personal, due to lackluster sales. She shared the news with fans via Instagram:

“We are grateful for those who were planning to attend but our overall ticket sales haven’t shown that we have the support that we need to continue to tour at this time. We’re convinced that that many more would love the opportunity to attend this praise filled, faith filled, entertaining, worship experience, so we have dcided to give ourselves time to reach all of those people and bring this amazing tour back in the spring of 2018.”

Lack of support or lack of good judgment?



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Then there’s Chrisette Michele, who came under fire in January when she decided to perform during Trump’s inauguration for a fee of $250.00 $250K. Well, now that a few months have passed, CM is back with a new single, ‘Strong Black Woman’, aiming to reconnect with her core audience. Will it work? We’ll let you decide. Peep the single below.


Fuck that shit half the industry played trump hotels. She just played a gig, no hating on that. Now that first one. I can understand a person of faith not voting for Hillary but damn trump a demon and not even hiding it. Besides the biggest racist is Hillary, Bill and hers criminal reform and welfare reform set black people back decades. Them som old school Arkansas racist. The ones that smile in your face well actually doing racist shit for real.
 
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