This my friends, is whats wrong with you.
Too Short Says There Was An Industry-Wide Plot To Shut Down Conscious Hip Hop
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This my friends, is whats wrong with you.
No, the problem is people like to hear themselves speak. Diversity is there, if you want it, you can go get it. Its been ghat way for quite some time.
What kind of man gets TOLD what to do, while being rich, and of sound mind, knowing what he is doing is destroying a culture.
I like short, especially the early records, but blaming the so called industry because he decided garnering money was better than uplifting "SOMETIMES", I'd pretty bitch made. Freaky Tales is all time, but so is the Ghetto. Throwing in a few songs would not have hurt his bottom line.
You made the money, took the Devils pie, now shut the fuck up, whining about someone else made me do it.
Short could have gone indy, bought a small local radio station in Oakland, started a distribution company with E40. Short of all people had a bonafied Customer base, that would have supported anything he did.
I like short, especially the early records, but blaming the so called industry because he decided garnering money was better than uplifting "SOMETIMES", I'd pretty bitch made. Freaky Tales is all time, but so is the Ghetto. Throwing in a few songs would not have hurt his bottom line.
You made the money, took the Devils pie, now shut the fuck up, whining about someone else made me do it.
Short could have gone indy, bought a small local radio station in Oakland, started a distribution company with E40. Short of all people had a bonafied Customer base, that would have supported anything he did.
no he couldn't have at the time.
he started independent remember? so he knows what he could and couldn't reach at the time with all that shit popping off.
do you remember the song gotta buy dope from us? that is basically how the record industry was.
you can do your 50k records independent. you were not going to control airwaves. you were not going to be on regular radio and there was no internet for your fans to reach you and keep tabs on you.
there's no excuse for it NOW you're right.
then there was only 1 game in town.
Leave bia bia out of this fam
it was an oakland anthem. i got no shame in it. but the snobs act like they weren't listening to that shit too.
"nah fam i never listened to the radio, i was at the record store digging in crates listening to the black youth uplifting parliament black awareness family i couldn't stand that lil jon shit"
lying like a motherfucker
there was a rotation. you listened to kmel for rap and r&b
you listened to wild 94.9 for some rap and that uptempo shit and the mexican mixes
you listened to 102.9/5 for some smooth shit and jazz
and you listened to 98.1 for oldies.
if they all were on commercial you were shit out of luck
one of my best friends got married earlier this year
they did all the siddity shit. it was classy. towards the end everyone is drunk they put this shit on
nobody turned their noses up and shit
EVERYBODY got they ass up and started partying hard.
im talking 25+ to 70 grandma's in there throwing elbows. these ain't "hood" people. these people who ain't acting all high and mighty and recognize time and place.
what's your podcast fam. proomote it. i'll spread it on my site.
First and foremost I'm an admitted conspiracy head...
Do any of yal believe this was a concentrated pre meditated effort by the FBI in the continuous program of COINTELPRO?
Do any of yal believe this was a concentrated pre meditated effort by the FBI in the continuous program of COINTELPRO?
it was the nuke option.
they tried to get rid of it by condemning it.
that only made their white bread's want it more.
so since it wasn't going away, let's showcase the worst of the worse and deal with the minor blow back in the white community knowing we can shield them with our access, resources and laws.
just fuck them all the way up.
the other option was let positive messages fill our young minds and have us look at them for what they truly are and then overturn this shit.
Execs went with what fucking sells. Although positive hip hop was great, shit wasn't selling like Dopeman back in the 80s. None of the 'negative' shit got radio play yet we craved that shit back then and found ways to have it.
There was an industry-wide plot to make fucking money. Once record execs witnessed that 'negative' hip hop made a mint DESPITE not getting radio play, it was a done deal.
Folks up here in Cleveland weren't trying to hear anything positive Too Short said. A positive CD would have just sat on the fucking shelves.
The shit is like pushing Christian rock when the market demands heavy metal. Heavy metal came up despite white folks trying to shut that shit down. The audience demanded it.
It's funny as fuck. Mid-80s white parents were
about all the negative music their kids wanted to listen to. The market dictated it. When it happens with rap, folks conveniently forget what the market wanted. What sold. What made the news.
I remember when 2-live Crew, NWA, and the Geto Boys had to fight like hell to say the negative shit they said. They tried to arrest them at shows. They still were the most popular acts and top selling. Who wouldn't want that money?
There was an industry-wide plot to make fucking money. Once record execs witnessed that 'negative' hip hop made a mint DESPITE not getting radio play, it was a done deal.
Folks up here in Cleveland weren't trying to hear anything positive Too Short said. A positive CD would have just sat on the fucking shelves.
The shit is like pushing Christian rock when the market demands heavy metal. Heavy metal came up despite white folks trying to shut that shit down. The audience demanded it.
It's funny as fuck. Mid-80s white parents were
about all the negative music their kids wanted to listen to. The market dictated it. When it happens with rap, folks conveniently forget what the market wanted. What sold. What made the news.I remember when 2-live Crew, NWA, and the Geto Boys had to fight like hell to say the negative shit they said. They tried to arrest them at shows. They still were the most popular acts and top selling. Who wouldn't want that money?
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Bullshit music videos and tape shuffling was the thing back then. Them stars got big when college and high school dudes took chances on rappers and bragged about copping a phat album!
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Short was independent, so was E40, and both were doing way more than 50K indy. even if it was ONLY 50K, that is a tremendous amount of CASH. Even at $5 in profit, that was more than enough during the 80's and 90's to leverage towards a distribution company, pressing plant, cd manufacturing plant, or a small radio station.
Both of those guys had the bay area on LOCK and instead of selling degradation, and never ending hustler stories to make more individual wealth, they could of sold the dope (metaphorically speaking) for a few years and flipped it into control.
coming back after the fact and blaming the so called industry for not betting on themselves, when Black people were holding them down is childish.
tired of grown men, RICH grown men acting like they have no fucking power to enact change.
If we all agree to it, yet support the bullshit music and defend the fuckery, you have to ask, what type of hoe ass thinking is that..
Black folks who is down with that, need to start thinking more like men and less like turned out hoes for the white man!!!
Black folks who is down with that, need to start thinking more like men and less like turned out hoes for the white man!!!
When folks throw words around, like the government, they white man and the industry, they are not talking about the white man individually, they are referring the system that they created.. And this is the real threat and advisory of the black man..
And if you actually believe, in your mind that is over stating their power or authority, then you really don't know how the real world operates..
Execs went with what fucking sells. Although positive hip hop was great, shit wasn't selling like Dopeman back in the 80s. None of the 'negative' shit got radio play yet we craved that shit back then and found ways to have it.
There was an industry-wide plot to make fucking money. Once record execs witnessed that 'negative' hip hop made a mint DESPITE not getting radio play, it was a done deal.
Folks up here in Cleveland weren't trying to hear anything positive Too Short said. A positive CD would have just sat on the fucking shelves.
The shit is like pushing Christian rock when the market demands heavy metal. Heavy metal came up despite white folks trying to shut that shit down. The audience demanded it.
It's funny as fuck. Mid-80s white parents were
I remember when 2-live Crew, NWA, and the Geto Boys had to fight like hell to say the negative shit they said. They tried to arrest them at shows. They still were the most popular acts and top selling. Who wouldn't want that money?
OK we hear you, but refer to the phrase " you gotta buy dope from us." if it was that easy it would've been done and not like it hasn't been tried.
How can one take over a industry that is already owned and not for sale? Not to Mention even if said industry was for sale I'm positive your skin color alone would prevent a purchase of that magnitude.
Riddle me that?
Suge, J Prince, and Irv Gotti could not accomplish that in their best years, but you think two independent artist could? The closest guy to that was Luke, and they kept his ass in court until he lost all his bread. "They" would not allow that. If Short never signed with a major he would have been E-40. Short was indie early on, but was signed to street dudes who were taking all his bread. He did not blow up nationwide until he signed with Jive. Short signing with Jive made him as big as he possibly could be.
rap was diverse back then but i'll admit when nwa/the chronic dropped a lot of the older pro black conscious dudes around my block switched their image up, a lot of dudes didn't even know why they were wearing medallions, it was jus the popular thing to do, then when hardcore rap came to be that was the popular thing to do
And folks are talking out their ass, because, you guessed it, thats the popular thing to do.
Do you know how hard it is to go through every thing you do and try to find out why you do it?
The album is was written has some pretty stupid things said on there.
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Nope 1996-2000 was mostly UK drum and bass mixtapes and cd's for me. I watched videos for my pop fix..
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