THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[chrislee]

Maybe Jericho should have gone off on Orton for blowing this spot

wouldn't that have been Jericho's fault?

I never thought of it but you're right, Jericho should be responsible for missing that spot. Orton only made it worst by hitting the ropes again. Orton should have stood up after the blown spot and gave him a RKO while Jericho still had the walls locked in.

@ the Orton pyro video.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Now it seems Orton blackballed Kofi's push because Kofi hasn't gotten a push since that storyline.

'Preciate this.
Kofi has gotten pushed (he is IC champ) but it's been inconsistent as hell. After the matches with Swagger and Dolph, he should have been in a new series with Rey and/or Cody but instead is getting jobbed out while still being champ.

I can't wait to see who turns face/heel after mania? There has not been any turns in a while.

They just turned the Bellas to be technical and they're much more interesting as heels than as armpieces to every guest host they have. Still can't wrestle.

Who would you pick to win if the match was AJ Styles vs John Morrison? I would go with AJ...

AJ. Morrison's getting there as a top guy and in ring talent but AJ has been there for a few years. Morrison needs to have a long series with Punk. Punk could be the Kurt Angle to Morrison's AJ Styles: a veteran that takes him to the next level.

I never thought of it but you're right, Jericho should be responsible for missing that spot. Orton only made it worst by hitting the ropes again. Orton should have stood up after the blown spot and gave him a RKO while Jericho still had the walls locked in.

@ the Orton pyro video.

That's the problem with guys not knowing how to improvise anymore and Orton's a third generation guy. Inexcusable. I've seen Jericho miss spots in matches with guys like Rey and Benoit and cover it nicely.
And what's with him acting out in front of the fans like that. Doesn't he know their on tv? That shit is unprofessional. I don't see the old VKM putting up with that shit.

 

[c_commander]

I never thought of it but you're right, Jericho should be responsible for missing that spot. Orton only made it worst by hitting the ropes again. Orton should have stood up after the blown spot and gave him a RKO while Jericho still had the walls locked in.

@ the Orton pyro video.

Maybe it's me but Orton completely missed his head so for Jericho to sell the move would have been ridiculous.And then the 2nd time Jericho let go of his move and stood up to make it easier for Orton.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

AJ. Morrison's getting there as a top guy and in ring talent but AJ has been there for a few years. Morrison needs to have a long series with Punk. Punk could be the Kurt Angle to Morrison's AJ Styles: a veteran that takes him to the next level.

There hasn't been a big PPV in the last year that I haven't been waiting for them to make Morrison. The guy is as over as a person can get and he one of the best young talents they have in terms of physical ability.

I thought he would have been 1st in line at the MiTB ppv .... no luck

Then I thought they would at least give him a final three spot in the rumble .... nope

Then they remove MiTB from Mania .... no shine for Johnny there either

If Morrison and Kofi don't get a push within the first month or two after Mania, I think we can safely assume that it NEVER going to happen
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[The Pope]

Anybody else feel like the WWE is simply replacing Rey Rey with Sin Cara??

Mysterio is starting to break down and in about 2-4 years he'll either retire from wrestling or WWE. The company has a big fan base in Mexico so they want to keep some mexicans on their roster.

 

[The Pope]

'Preciate this.
Kofi has gotten pushed (he is IC champ) but it's been inconsistent as hell. After the matches with Swagger and Dolph, he should have been in a new series with Rey and/or Cody but instead is getting jobbed out while still being champ.

I think somebody heard you talking about Kofi:

NoDQ.com > WWE > Spoiler: Title Change at Tonights WWE Tapings
Posted by Steve Carrier on 03/22/2011 at 09:57 PM

- At tonight's WWE SmackDown tapings in Columbus, Ohio, Wade Barrett of The Corre defeated Kofi Kingston to become the new WWE Intercontinental Champion.

The title change came when Kofi was going for Trouble in Paradise but The Corre distracted the referee. Kofi hit Heath Slater instead, allowing Barrett to hit Wasteland for the win. Kofi took a 450 Splash from Justin Gabriel after the match.

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

Phew, did ya'll see layla this week? Man she's a bad chick, i know she has to have some dirty pix & I can't wait for them to leak... she's a dime.

 

[GULLAH JACK]

I think somebody heard you talking about Kofi:

They are shittin' on that dude...sellin' his stuff at half price and shit too..he must be on the way out.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Phew, did ya'll see layla this week? Man she's a bad chick, i know she has to have some dirty pix & I can't wait for them to leak... she's a dime.

Layla was looking good as usual, but she annoys the fuck outta me because she tries to do a shitty California beach blonde accent, but she can never keep it up.

I don't understand why they just don't let her talk in her natural British accent .... it way sexier IMO

On a kinda separate note. Seeing Trish in the ring again reminded me of one really positive thing about the attitude era ... I miss seeing the divas wrestling in thongs.
They really need to bring that back

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[ScottyPiffen745]

Damn, with Kofi on the way out, how many black people they got now?

Zeke Jackson, A. Fox and Teddy Long? And Booker T on commentary.

 

[The Pope]

Damn, with Kofi on the way out, how many black people they got now?

Zeke Jackson, A. Fox and Teddy Long? And Booker T on commentary.

You forgot about the world's strongest jobber Mark Henry and Mr. Jennifer Hudson aka David Otunga and JTG. As far as Kofi goes I don't think they are about to release him anytime soon unless he pulls an MVP and ask for his release because he feels they aren't giving him a proper push.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

You forgot about the world's strongest jobber Mark Henry and Mr. Jennifer Hudson aka David Otunga and JTG. As far as Kofi goes I don't think they are about to release him anytime soon unless he pulls an MVP and ask for his release because he feels they aren't giving him a proper push.

sadly, if he does ask for his release, that will probably be the last we see of him in the U.S.

TNA has made it clear that they only want WWE guys if they were top guys (except Matt Hardy, which was probably only to keep Jefro happy)

It's looking like this is Kofi's last year before he jumps over to Mexico or New Japan

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[c_commander]

You forgot about the world's strongest jobber Mark Henry and Mr. Jennifer Hudson aka David Otunga and JTG. As far as Kofi goes I don't think they are about to release him anytime soon unless he pulls an MVP and ask for his release because he feels they aren't giving him a proper push.

I would be surprised if JTG makes it past the cuts when they start future endeavoring people.They've gotten rid of people with better upside already and his situation has only gotten worse.This is another shining example of the WWE ruining a tag team with no direction for what they would do with the team as singles wrestlers.

sadly, if he does ask for his release, that will probably be the last we see of him in the U.S.

TNA has made it clear that they only want WWE guys if they were top guys (except Matt Hardy, which was probably only to keep Jefro happy)

It's looking like this is Kofi's last year before he jumps over to Mexico or New Japan

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I doubt that he would ask for his release and if he did he should be the type of WWE release that TNA would look for.One who can wrestle in the ring and who has their best years ahead of them and not behind them.He would also fit in ROH where it's about athletic matches.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

I doubt that he would ask for his release and if he did he should be the type of WWE release that TNA would look for.One who can wrestle in the ring and who has their best years ahead of them and not behind them.He would also fit in ROH where it's about athletic matches.

Outside of the people in this thread, who's really checking for ROH.

Your right about ROH having the best athletic matches out there right now, but you really have to hunt for material from them.

They are just dying for a tv deal. Something small, like ECW did with TNN (the old Spike) or TNA did with Fox Sports Net.

As for Kofi, I think he would fit in well in the ROH environment
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[c_commander]

Outside of the people in this thread, who's really checking for ROH.

Your right about ROH having the best athletic matches out there right now, but you really have to hunt for material from them.

They are just dying for a tv deal. Something small, like ECW did with TNN (the old Spike) or TNA did with Fox Sports Net.

As for Kofi, I think he would fit in well in the ROH environment
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You're right that they need a TV deal and the bad TV deal and now there lack of one is why people aren't checking for ROH. If they had a deal similar to TNA the would probably be the #2 company. ROH is aware of their strengths as a company and sticks to them while TNA continually tries to compete with the WWE by replicating the WWE.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I think somebody heard you talking about Kofi:

I saw that and . I didn't post it because I know some folks don't like spoilers and I didn't want to break the news to the fam.
I think Kofi might be on the way out. There are going to be some surprising names on the "future endeavors" list and I think his will be the top one.
I expect to see him in JAPW and maybe Dragon's Gate.

I would be surprised if JTG makes it past the cuts when they start future endeavoring people.They've gotten rid of people with better upside already and his situation has only gotten worse.This is another shining example of the WWE ruining a tag team with no direction for what they would do with the team as singles wrestlers.

And they did it again with the Hart Dynasty. You would think tag teams don't draw until you remember the Road Warriors, Rock N Roll Express, Midnight Express, even WWF/E teams like the Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, and New Age Outlaws, shit even Marella and Koslov are popular. Hopefully HHH will remember the benefit of having strong tag teams when he moves full time to the office.

I doubt that he would ask for his release and if he did he should be the type of WWE release that TNA would look for.One who can wrestle in the ring and who has their best years ahead of them and not behind them.He would also fit in ROH where it's about athletic matches.

Before TNA brings in anymore talent, they should shed some dead weight: Hogan, Bischoff, Russo, Flair (kills me to say it), Madison Rayne (chick is inconsistent as hell).

You're right that they need a TV deal and the bad TV deal and now there lack of one is why people aren't checking for ROH. If they had a deal similar to TNA the would probably be the #2 company. ROH is aware of their strengths as a company and sticks to them while TNA continually tries to compete with the WWE by replicating the WWE.

Considering how many channels there are, I'm surprised second, third tier channels like G4 haven't snapped ROH up. The video game/comic book/porn guys generally like wrestling too.

You're dead right in that last sentence.

 

[chrislee]

G4 really should pick up a Wrestling program. G4 proraming is garbage, they need a complete overhaul.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

G4 really should pick up a Wrestling program. G4 proraming is garbage, they need a complete overhaul.

I think they should keep the "Ninja Warrior" stuff and all the porn, video game and comic convention stuff but for them to not have wrestling of some form, even international, just doesn't make sense for a network that needs viewers.

I remember posting about Alberto Del Rio and how his push has been inconsistent. I stand by that after reading Smackdown spoilers for this week. If they want people to buy their ppvs and watch their shows, they need strong heels. How they don't get that with Michael Hayes on the creative team I don't know.

 

[Deltronz]

I'd love to see Kofi Kingston have a run in Chikara like so many others have. It would add a new face to an already eclectic group of wrestlers who could keep up with him. If nothing else, at least he'd be used properly in a fresh/exciting environment.

Every year there is a surprise (or two) at the big King of Trios tournament, so who knows (assuming they do release him).

 

[theegokiller]

I would love to see Kofi, Shelton, and Jay Lethal together in TNA. I think he could get into some really great programs over there. That is if they return to more wrestling, and less talk.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I'd love to see Kofi Kingston have a run in Chikara like so many others have. It would add a new face to an already eclectic group of wrestlers who could keep up with him. If nothing else, at least he'd be used properly in a fresh/exciting environment.

Every year there is a surprise (or two) at the big King of Trios tournament, so who knows (assuming they do release him).

That would be nice.

I would love to see Kofi, Shelton, and Jay Lethal together in TNA. I think he could get into some really great programs over there. That is if they return to more wrestling, and less talk.

If I had faith they would use him properly, I would agree. But I don't, so I want him to avoid TNA until at least after Hogan and Bisch are gone.


Maybe, just maybe they add Kofi to the possible eight man match with The Corre. Him, Kane, Show, and Diesel (who hasn't worked since the Rumble so he's due) would give that team one guy who could work and sell for the heels.

 

[GULLAH JACK]

http://www.wweshop.com/category/KofiKingston

They are basically having a clearance sale on Kofi's merchandise

 

[c_commander]

I think they should keep the "Ninja Warrior" stuff and all the porn, video game and comic convention stuff but for them to not have wrestling of some form, even international, just doesn't make sense for a network that needs viewers.

I remember posting about Alberto Del Rio and how his push has been inconsistent. I stand by that after reading Smackdown spoilers for this week. If they want people to buy their ppvs and watch their shows, they need strong heels. How they don't get that with Michael Hayes on the creative team I don't know.

Unlike a lot of other heels with pushes out of the gate Del Rio hasn't been booked to be invincible.But through the use of allowing him promo time and his antics he has always kept his heat so that a lost hasn't killed him. Say what you will but even with the losses his push is better than Sheamus' who still hasn't beaten either of the top faces on Raw legitimately.And his beatdown of HHH was wasted as well.
What Haynes has done has brought someone back into the fold hot and elevated their position,brought in a newcomer and put him in a good spot and kept Del Rio in the forefront as a viable championship threat.

 

[c_commander]

I would love to see Kofi, Shelton, and Jay Lethal together in TNA. I think he could get into some really great programs over there. That is if they return to more wrestling, and less talk.

Doesn't look like Shelton is going to TNA between his commitments with ROH and him working a dark match with the WWE.And I'm not sure that more wrestling will come until Bischoff,Hogan and Russo are gone.

Maybe, just maybe they add Kofi to the possible eight man match with The Corre. Him, Kane, Show, and Diesel (who hasn't worked since the Rumble so he's due) would give that team one guy who could work and sell for the heels.

My only fear is that if they put him in the match he will also be the one taking the pinfall.

 

[chrislee]

I think they should keep the "Ninja Warrior" stuff and all the porn, video game and comic convention stuff but for them to not have wrestling of some form, even international, just doesn't make sense for a network that needs viewers.

I'm cool with Ninja Warrior even though I don't watch it anymore. X-Play is the only gaming related show they have. The network was orignally all gaming & tech shows that they might replay twice a day then they scraped everything and left AOTS and X-Play behind. They went with 6 to 12 hour marathons of Star Trek, Cops, Cheaters and other garbage.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

I'm cool with Ninja Warrior even though I don't watch it anymore. X-Play is the only gaming related show they have. The network was orignally all gaming & tech shows that they might replay twice a day then they scraped everything and left AOTS and X-Play behind. They went with 6 to 12 hour marathons of Star Trek, Cops, Cheaters and other garbage.

theyll be even more like Spike if they get a wrestling show

read now they done cut AOTS and X Play down to two new shows a week rather than three

 

[GAMBINO]

I'm watching the documentary on Netflix "WCW Rise and Fall" shit is good.

 

[dirtyd]

I'm watching the documentary on Netflix "WCW Rise and Fall" shit is good.

Im not surprised wcw was embarrassing at times (robocop), but the NWO was the greatest stable ever created before it became a clusterfuck of glorified jobbers and that's wcw legacy which vince can never take away.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Damn, all of Kofi's stuff being on clearance with the Nexus merchandise and the Hard Dynasty merchandise ain't a good look. Nobody else's shit is on clearance unless the shit is ugly as fuck. Then with no MITB at WM and Barrett being in the Corre vs. Show/Kane/Santino/Kozlov match, he probably won't be at Wrestlemania either.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Unlike a lot of other heels with pushes out of the gate Del Rio hasn't been booked to be invincible.But through the use of allowing him promo time and his antics he has always kept his heat so that a lost hasn't killed him. Say what you will but even with the losses his push is better than Sheamus' who still hasn't beaten either of the top faces on Raw legitimately.And his beatdown of HHH was wasted as well.
What Haynes has done has brought someone back into the fold hot and elevated their position,brought in a newcomer and put him in a good spot and kept Del Rio in the forefront as a viable championship threat.

I thought they pushed Sheamus too fast but he was made to be a monster for a year before losing to HHH at Mania. The formula of a heel getting his heat back with talking works for a veteran like Jericho but Del Rio's wins were against Mysterio until he came back, Matt Hardy, who no longer works for the company and never brought up, and Christian before he got hurt. You don't build new heels through beating them.
People like Christian and he's great in the ring and on the mic (better as a heel) but we all know Vince doesn't see him as a main event guy and this does more to hurt Del Rio than elevate Christian. I can't remember a number one contender losing by pinfall on tv right before Mania.

My only fear is that if they put him in the match he will also be the one taking the pinfall.

I would be okay with that since him being on the show meant he would still be with WWE for at least a while longer. Not being on the show means he's done and that's a bigger shame than Shelton Benjamin's release.

Im not surprised wcw was embarrassing at times (robocop), but the NWO was the greatest stable ever created before it became a clusterfuck of glorified jobbers and that's wcw legacy which vince can never take away.

Still the Four Horsemen.

 

[dirtyd]

Still the Four Horsemen.

Look here grandpaYa'll worship the 4 horsemen and that's great and all but as painful as it is to hear, the NWO was unreal imo

 

[GULLAH JACK]

Look here grandpaYa'll worship the 4 horsemen and that's great and all but as painful as it is to hear, the NWO was unreal imo

The NWO was a ripoff of a Japanese faction...and the Horsemen were the prototype for all GREAT stables...even the NWO. Real talk, the best Horsemen team (Flair, Windham, Blanchard, Arn Anderson vs. Hogan/Nash/Hall/ and???) Not sure who you would pick for the NWO out of their glorified jobbers...Being a Horseman was special...The NWO was set up like a gang and got watered down. With the exceptions of Paul Roma, Lex Luger, Sid Vicious and Steve McMichael, every Horseman has been a helluva wrestler. LOL.Just sayin'. Can you remember every member that ever joined the NWO? 4 Horsemen > NWO.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Kurt Angle Arrested In North Dakota
Posted by Jeremy Thomas on 03.25.2011


Kurt Angle was arrested this morning in North Dakota for being drunk in his car. TMZ reports that Angle was found by a highway patrol in Grand Forks, North Dakota sitting in his car in the median strip on the road. Angle told officers he hit an icy patch and when the police noticed alcohol on his breath he was given a field sobriety test, which he failed.

Angle was charged with being in control of a motor vehicle while intoxicated as opposed to a DUI, meaning that he was drunk in the car but not actually driving.

 

[c_commander]

I thought they pushed Sheamus too fast but he was made to be a monster for a year before losing to HHH at Mania. The formula of a heel getting his heat back with talking works for a veteran like Jericho but Del Rio's wins were against Mysterio until he came back, Matt Hardy, who no longer works for the company and never brought up, and Christian before he got hurt. You don't build new heels through beating them.
People like Christian and he's great in the ring and on the mic (better as a heel) but we all know Vince doesn't see him as a main event guy and this does more to hurt Del Rio than elevate Christian. I can't remember a number one contender losing by pinfall on tv right before Mania.
.

Thing is that not only did he beat them but that he injured and put them out of action as well. And him winning the Royal Rumble was more significant than Sheamus getting his shot via a Raw Battle Royal

Look here grandpaYa'll worship the 4 horsemen and that's great and all but as painful as it is to hear, the NWO was unreal imo

The problem with the NWO is that it got so damn diluted with bums and lower tier guys while the best editions of the horseman(the first 2) featured 4 elite level wrestlers.

 

[c_commander]