So what would that mean
THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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Samoa Joe to RoH.
This is the worst 'Road to Wrestlemania' that they've had in a while.
You can barely tell that Mania is only a little over a month away.
Hopefully they step their game up for the next couple of Raws.
Rumors are Roman Reigns failed a drug test......points to why Brock left Raw pissed.
From a Reddit "insider"
Here is the full story from what I have been told from a very reliable source. First, Brock Lesnar was not expected to put over Roman Reigns on the microphone nor was he expected to be part of the segment that featured Daniel Bryan and Paul Heyman putting Reigns over. Rather, Lesnar was expected to be a part of the main event. Lesnar's walkout occurred in the hour or so following the Bryan-Heyman-Reigns segment. It is this reason why literally nothing of particular note to Reigns occurred in the main event aside from the Bryan tag-in which the commentators quickly put over as a bit of retaliation of what happened pre-Fast Lane now that they're all buddy buddy (Bryan-Reigns).
Daniel Bryan was made aware of the situation before he cut his promo. Before Bryan did the professional thing that was required of him, putting Reigns over, you can clearly see much more intensity in the promo. That was the makings of a very good promo. It was also cut straight from the hip from a guy who feels legitimately robbed of his main event status at Wrestlemania for the chosen one who really fucked up in a pretty big way.
Reigns failed the WWE's drug testing policy. The higher ups in the WWE were made aware of Reigns's failure early Monday morning.
Clearly all involved are very disappointed in Reigns. It has brought back discussion of Jeff Hardy's drug test failure prior to Wrestlemania XXIV where it was highly likely that he was to win his first championship (which was delayed until Armageddon in December). Many feel that Reigns should be forced to forfeit his position at Wrestlemania and take the suspension. However, Vince McMahon is backing "his boy" and made the decision not to suspend him as there is more than 30-days to go before Wrestlemania.
However, given the current situation in the UFC with the steroids controversy, Brock Lesnar is beyond infuriated with that decision. His legitimate fear is that should he choose to return to the UFC, quite likely given the money that Dana is offering, his Wrestlemania main event status against Roman Reigns links him directly to failed drugs tests in the media. It's a guilty by association issue for Brock and a perfectly understandable one.
Lesnar has demanded that Reigns be replaced preferably with Daniel Bryan or John Cena, both of whom he is happy to put over given their popularity. Lesnar does not particularly care if the much smaller Bryan were to defeat him - it's a non-issue due to the known 'scripted' nature of professional wrestling - as it wont effect his UFC reputation. Again, Vince McMahon has said that Reigns would not be replaced in the main event of Wrestlemania. Lesnar walked out.
From a Reddit "insider"
Here is the full story from what I have been told from a very reliable source. First, Brock Lesnar was not expected to put over Roman Reigns on the microphone nor was he expected to be part of the segment that featured Daniel Bryan and Paul Heyman putting Reigns over. Rather, Lesnar was expected to be a part of the main event. Lesnar's walkout occurred in the hour or so following the Bryan-Heyman-Reigns segment. It is this reason why literally nothing of particular note to Reigns occurred in the main event aside from the Bryan tag-in which the commentators quickly put over as a bit of retaliation of what happened pre-Fast Lane now that they're all buddy buddy (Bryan-Reigns).
Daniel Bryan was made aware of the situation before he cut his promo. Before Bryan did the professional thing that was required of him, putting Reigns over, you can clearly see much more intensity in the promo. That was the makings of a very good promo. It was also cut straight from the hip from a guy who feels legitimately robbed of his main event status at Wrestlemania for the chosen one who really fucked up in a pretty big way.
Reigns failed the WWE's drug testing policy. The higher ups in the WWE were made aware of Reigns's failure early Monday morning.
Clearly all involved are very disappointed in Reigns. It has brought back discussion of Jeff Hardy's drug test failure prior to Wrestlemania XXIV where it was highly likely that he was to win his first championship (which was delayed until Armageddon in December). Many feel that Reigns should be forced to forfeit his position at Wrestlemania and take the suspension. However, Vince McMahon is backing "his boy" and made the decision not to suspend him as there is more than 30-days to go before Wrestlemania.
However, given the current situation in the UFC with the steroids controversy, Brock Lesnar is beyond infuriated with that decision. His legitimate fear is that should he choose to return to the UFC, quite likely given the money that Dana is offering, his Wrestlemania main event status against Roman Reigns links him directly to failed drugs tests in the media. It's a guilty by association issue for Brock and a perfectly understandable one.
Lesnar has demanded that Reigns be replaced preferably with Daniel Bryan or John Cena, both of whom he is happy to put over given their popularity. Lesnar does not particularly care if the much smaller Bryan were to defeat him - it's a non-issue due to the known 'scripted' nature of professional wrestling - as it wont effect his UFC reputation. Again, Vince McMahon has said that Reigns would not be replaced in the main event of Wrestlemania. Lesnar walked out.
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I'll wait for more reliable sourcing on that one.
The direction seems to NOW be he's in the IC mix with Ziggler, Ambrose, Truth, and Wade.
I like Reigns but him vs Brock doesn't scream WRESTLEMANIA main event to me.
The only feud that has any energy behind it is Sting vs HHH.
Taker having not yet appeared on Raw is going to put way too much on Bray to carry the whole angle and that kills it. Bray's great but Bray getting 5-7 minutes every week on every show is going to wear people out.
The most popular guy on the roster is stuck in a meaningless midcard feud and the supposed "future" of the WWE gets beat on a regular basis.
I'll wait for more reliable sourcing on that one.
The direction seems to NOW be he's in the IC mix with Ziggler, Ambrose, Truth, and Wade.
I like Reigns but him vs Brock doesn't scream WRESTLEMANIA main event to me.
The only feud that has any energy behind it is Sting vs HHH.
Taker having not yet appeared on Raw is going to put way too much on Bray to carry the whole angle and that kills it. Bray's great but Bray getting 5-7 minutes every week on every show is going to wear people out.
The most popular guy on the roster is stuck in a meaningless midcard feud and the supposed "future" of the WWE gets beat on a regular basis.
understood. Reddit insiders have been pretty accurate in their previous wrestling related leaks though.I don't think Brock gives a shit either way. He fought in UFC, he knows this a tv show. So whoever they put in there, he'll put over.
Vince has found a way to imitate all of his old competitors. He's made himself and all of his kids champions. He ignores the wishes of his fans in favor of the guys he likes. He's Verne Gagne and Fritz Von Erich and Eric Bischoff all rolled into one.
The time aint right for Reigns. The writing is all over the wall. They can fuck around and sabotage his career long term. He may just end up as Shemus 2.0
The only way they can salvage the main event as is, is to Rollins cash in leave as champ. But that would another issue cause he would get a face reaction from a wrestmania crowd when compared to Roman
The only way they can salvage the main event as is, is to Rollins cash in leave as champ. But that would another issue cause he would get a face reaction from a wrestmania crowd when compared to Roman
I hate the idea of another cash in killing another guy's big moment but I think they're going to do it anyway.
I have used that same Sheamus example a number of times. Sheamus was the hot young powerhouse at one point and they killed him. Reigns is heading in that direction unless they change up how they handle him. They've been doing a better job lately but they've done a lot of damage and most of their fans still want to see Bryan get his run.
KILLING A RIDICULOUS ROMAN REIGNS STORY MAKING THE ROUNDS
by Mike Johnson @ 12:47 PM on 2/25/2015
One of the crazier rumors making the way around the Internet over the last 12 hours has been one that originated on Reddit.com where an anonymous user claimed that Brock Lesnar had walked out of the WWE Raw taping on Monday due to Roman Reigns failing a WWE Wellness test and the company deciding not to suspended Reigns.
Despite the lack of any sort of credible sourcing, the story picked up steam online via message boards and social media, to the point I woke up to over 150 emails all sending links to the story asking about it.
I reached out to WWE today regarding the rumor. I already suspected there was nothing to this (and we usually ignore such rumors), but given the huge play it has gotten via social media, I wanted to give the company a chance to respond to this sea of ridiculousness.
WWE's official statement:
"That story is absolutely, 100% untrue."
So, there you have it folks. Paul McCartney isn't dead...and Roman Reigns didn't fail a Wellness test.
I think this has been posted before but here it is in a larger size
The geezer need to step aside and be a silent chairman/ceo/owner. He is out of touch even his first born left the company
. Shane and Hunter should be making the decisions and should have been making them for the last 10+ years. The fans had have enough of Vince's senility.
. Shane and Hunter should be making the decisions and should have been making them for the last 10+ years. The fans had have enough of Vince's senility.
I've been thinking about the issues in WWE and I think they need an off-season.
Even if it's just for one month, I think it's needed.
An off-season for the writers to come up with new ideas, fresh angles, etc. and an off-season for the wrestlers to rest up and heal from injuries.
Every other sport and form of entertainment has an off-season.
I think the old model of going year-round needs to be changed.
It's not like the WWE has any real competition where they feel the need to have to go year-round.
I realize they have a TV deal and that USA may not be happy with having re-runs for a month, but I think the ratings would actually increase once they come back because the product will be better and people will look forward to the WWE coming back on the air.
The same way we all look forward to the NFL season starting back up in the fall.
Curious to know what you guys think.
Even if it's just for one month, I think it's needed.
An off-season for the writers to come up with new ideas, fresh angles, etc. and an off-season for the wrestlers to rest up and heal from injuries.
Every other sport and form of entertainment has an off-season.
I think the old model of going year-round needs to be changed.
It's not like the WWE has any real competition where they feel the need to have to go year-round.
I realize they have a TV deal and that USA may not be happy with having re-runs for a month, but I think the ratings would actually increase once they come back because the product will be better and people will look forward to the WWE coming back on the air.
The same way we all look forward to the NFL season starting back up in the fall.
Curious to know what you guys think.
Too much money to be lost with having an off season. Perhaps if they got better writers. As far as USA, they can air live NXT for that one month main roster off season, but I don't think the network would go for Sami Zayn or Kevin Owens when they want Cena and Co.
I thought about the potential money lost and the fact they have shareholders to account to. I realize that.
However, I really think WWE needs a reset button with everything.
If you deliver a better product, profits should go up with higher attendance, ratings.
There just seems to be a fatigue with the writers and apathy with a lot of fans now.
Have an off-season and have people anticipate the show starting again, just like with every other sport.
Right after Wrestlemania would be the perfect time for an off-season.
They pretty much just coast after Wrestlemania anyway.
Then pick up again in time for SummerSlam.
Couldn't agree more, but then again...I can't believe they're having WM at Levi's Stadium. They went to Seattle, but at least that's a retractable roof. There's a report saying there's over 12k seats left, people not tryna sit in that stadium in the nose bleeds in March.
I've always thought the best way to hit the reset button was to go back to how things were in the 90s: PPVs quarterly & a show only w/ squash matches. Bring squashes back to Raw as well. These feuds are too microwaved & characters are being built anymore.
Regins should be getting ready to end Rusev's streak, prepping to spend 2015 building him up for WM32. Rollins should be cashing in on Brock who had a hard fought win against Bryan...setting up a series of matches between Rollins & Bryan. Rollins spend 2015 feuding w/ Bryan, Orton, Ziggler, & settling his unfinished business w/ Ambrose (maybe MITB winner) at the Rumble. Meanwhile you're building Roman through feuds w/ Harper, heel Sheamus, give him the IC title from Barrett & he defends both titles (propping the IC belt in his push) before dropping the US title at the RR while winning the Rumble match going to Dallas to meet the architect Rollins in the main event.
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I don't think having squash matches works anymore in today's climate.
People wanna see superstars vs. superstars, not some jobber they've never heard of.
If you had superstars jobbing, then they would never get built up down the line.
I agree there are too many PPVs right now, but I don't think they could ever go back to having only 4 PPVs.
That genie has been let out of the bottle and can't be put back.
Maybe having 6 PPVs (one every other month) would be a start.
I still think having an off-season would solve a lot of the issues.
Wasn't Wrestlemania at Metlife Stadium a few years ago though? Surely it's colder in March/April in NJ than it is during the same time in Santa Clara. I think the card is why those tickets haven't sold.
Yup!
Just a few weeks ago the Ascension was squashing local jobbers, and even the announce team was burying them.
People were trained to wanna see that by WCW, it can work again. There's a new set of fans that never seen squash match before & give it to them...they'll come around. They have to go back to it, the business needs it especially with no real territories to develop guys. Superstars/Main Event can be that. Guys need to develop routines, there needs to be an importance placed on finishing maneuvers again, rules of heel/face re-established, timed contests...idk, maybe I've been listening to too much Cornette/Ross/Austin, but the sport needs to get back to its roots.
True, but that's NYC/NYJ...different animal than Santa Clara, but you right...the card got a lot to do with it.
I think this has been posted before but here it is in a larger size
naomi?which 2 are they?
rey jr released from wwe yesterday
Rey wasn't released, his contract expired. Good news for nearly everyone else. He's not the same guy from 1996 but who is? He can still have good matches and, with the right guys, have great ones.
I expect him to pop up in Lucha Underground, AAA, ROH, and probably a trip back to Japan to get that cash. With him and Joe becoming available, good time for the indies with money.
We don't know if the writers are any good or not. The problem is Vince. As long as he's there and running the show, it will not change.
They can't afford an offseason. USA ain't going for that shit.
Squash matches can still work, they worked fine for Ryback when he came back with that gimmick. They should be used for new guys coming in the way they used to be: to get fans familiar with them and their moves and characters. Otherwise, you have what we have now where they have superstars jobbing every week in every match and then want people to watch when say R-Truth gets a title match after winning one match coming off a 6 month losing streak.
Last week's Impact
http://youtu.be/oc1yDsDLaFU
I was watching thinking "Why are they showing this Grado-Al Snow stuff?" and then they answered my question.
Al looks in better shape now that he did in WWE years ago.
Ki got a nasty cut on the behind his ear. It looks like it happened when the edge of Galloway's weapon swiped him.
I expect him to pop up in Lucha Underground, AAA, ROH, and probably a trip back to Japan to get that cash. With him and Joe becoming available, good time for the indies with money.
We don't know if the writers are any good or not. The problem is Vince. As long as he's there and running the show, it will not change.
They can't afford an offseason. USA ain't going for that shit.
Squash matches can still work, they worked fine for Ryback when he came back with that gimmick. They should be used for new guys coming in the way they used to be: to get fans familiar with them and their moves and characters. Otherwise, you have what we have now where they have superstars jobbing every week in every match and then want people to watch when say R-Truth gets a title match after winning one match coming off a 6 month losing streak.
Last week's Impact
http://youtu.be/oc1yDsDLaFU
I was watching thinking "Why are they showing this Grado-Al Snow stuff?" and then they answered my question.
Al looks in better shape now that he did in WWE years ago.
Ki got a nasty cut on the behind his ear. It looks like it happened when the edge of Galloway's weapon swiped him.
i've said it before the E doesnt need an offseaon but the wrestlers do.
there should be a rotation program where the wrestlers get off .25 of the year. Whether that is 3 months straight or 1/3 months. T
this would keep wrestlers & storylines fresh
keep wrestlers healthy
force the E to elevate mid-carders while some of the bigger names are out
make room for eventual NXT call ups
look at how the abbreivated schedule has kept Lesnar hot. Look how excited fans were for Orton's return. Wrestlers only get time off when they are injured, shooting a movie or get them walking papers
there should be a rotation program where the wrestlers get off .25 of the year. Whether that is 3 months straight or 1/3 months. T
this would keep wrestlers & storylines fresh
keep wrestlers healthy
force the E to elevate mid-carders while some of the bigger names are out
make room for eventual NXT call ups
look at how the abbreivated schedule has kept Lesnar hot. Look how excited fans were for Orton's return. Wrestlers only get time off when they are injured, shooting a movie or get them walking papers
That would work.
I think that would be a good compromise to my idea.
The show can still go on, maybe just have the mid-card guys and NXT guys while the main eventers take time off.
Too many wrestlers (and writers) seemed burned out right now and they're just putting out a shitty product.
I wouldn't mix in the NXT guys until they were ready to be brought up permanently.
Rotating talent would give them more main eventers to spread out for all the ppvs they have with the full roster, or most of the full roster, for the Rumble, Mania, SummerSlam and the Survivor Series.
That's how the old territories used to survive and they were in the same cities every week and every month.
This must've been when I stopped watching this shit.Hell naw.....
i think this was another time when JR was on commentary all like "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,DONT DO IT!!!!"
i think Rollins will cash in,with the help of both Heyman and Lesnar..plus he'll most likely become Heyman's newest"guy"
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