THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[Upgrade Dave]

Hogan was in Japan when he was originally with WWE BEFORE he joined AWA (WWE and New Japan Pro Wrestling had a business relationship where they shared talent at that time). He was pretty green at that point, though. After that, he joined the AWA around the time he did Rocky 3. Later on, Vince Jr. snatched him back (he had recently took over the company from Daddy Vince around that time), and that's what I was referring to.

I hate how he did Bret, cause I was always a serious Bret Hart fan. You're right, though. He never liked Bret too much. That Diesel push was influenced a lot by the Kliq, though.

I know all that but he had already left the AWA when Vince got him. Verne wanted a piece of all his future endorsement and touring money in exchange for making him the AWA champ. Hogan didn't sign on and they parted ways.
Hulk was the first IWGP champ and was so when he won the WWF title.

Which would be okay if he still had it... but he doesn't.

It depends on what you mean by "it". Vince had two gifts: undeniable drive to win and the ability to pick front office talent. He had George Scott, Pat Patterson and Ernie Ladd bringing in the best talent from the territories in the early 80s to build up the WWF. He later had Jim Cornette and Jim Ross to build it back up in the mid 90s.
He still has the drive but he's lost the second one.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWdN5ynoMg

Latest Impact! episode.

Hardy vs Abyss- Monster's Ball

Lashley vs Roode vs MVP vs Aries for the world title

Good show.

 

[unknownsoldier]

The Announcement

 

[EPDC]

The Announcement

Still waiting to see how this will shake WWE to its "core"....

 

[unknownsoldier]

Still waiting to see how this will shake WWE to its "core"....

Somebody threw a potential "fatal four way" being set up (Sting, H, Rock, Austin)...that's the only thing that can somewhat save this mess.

 

[EPDC]

Somebody threw a potential "fatal four way" being set up...that's the only thing that can somewhat save this mess.

Fuck that, I want a brand split. That would shake WWE to its core.

 

[unknownsoldier]

Fuck that, I want a brand split. That would shake WWE to its core.

 

[EPDC]

I wish they did a brand split and added a few more shows to kind of cut the fat out of Raw and Smackdown. Split the brands, but make it a complete split, no crossover whatsoever.

• Have the US title exclusive to Smackdown and have the IC exclusive to Raw. Make those two titles the top championships for each brand, defended weekly on television.
  
• Keep the WWE World Heavyweight Championship exclusive to PPV's
  
• Giving the WWE World HW champion, whoever it is, the option of appearing on both brands. Since he's the WORLD Champion, he isn't tied to ONE show. He should only defend the title on PPV. It would make the top title "mean" more.
  
• Have the Tag Titles hop between both brands as well, since the Tag Division is so weak.
  
• With champions for each brand, they can have champions meet only once per year at Clash of Champions/Night of Champions...
  
• Create a WWE Network exclusive Diva Wrestling show, something like G.L.O.W. and keep them off TV. WWE minus whale buy the rights for G.L.O.W. from whoever owns it.
  
• Lastly, take a lot of their kid friendly/humorous characters and have a Saturday morning show geared towards kids. We don't need to see gators, bunnies and midgets on Monday Nights.

There are so many great wrestlers that never get a chance to work television because there is only so much time.

 

[Alphachino]

They gotta have roman come out and Brock lesnar the shit outta Rollins or Bryan at the ppv. Roman needs that edge to him, he can play the badass but he needs to come out and beat the shit outta somebody Orin scared its gonna be Brock vs Goldberg all over again.

 

[tarizo312]

The Announcement

Still waiting to see how this will shake WWE to its "core"....

So Reigns gets screwed because of the "controversy" at the Rumble but he also gets screwed in the match against Show at Raw but no "controversy" Who writes this crap????

 

[tarizo312]

Logically, why does Rollins care who faces Brock when he got the briefcase?

 

[unknownsoldier]

I wish they did a brand split and added a few more shows to kind of cut the fat out of Raw and Smackdown. Split the brands, but make it a complete split, no crossover whatsoever.

• Have the US title exclusive to Smackdown and have the IC exclusive to Raw. Make those two titles the top championships for each brand, defended weekly on television.
  
• Keep the WWE World Heavyweight Championship exclusive to PPV's
  
• Giving the WWE World HW champion, whoever it is, the option of appearing on both brands. Since he's the WORLD Champion, he isn't tied to ONE show. He should only defend the title on PPV. It make the top title "mean" more.
  
• Have the Tag Titles hope on both brands as well, since the Tag Division is so weak.
  
• With champions for each brand, they can have champions meet only once per year at Clash of Champions/Night of Champions...
  
• Create a WWE Network exclusive Diva Wrestling show, something like G.L.O.W. and keep them off TV. WWE minus whale buy the rights for G.L.O.W. from whoever owns it.
  
• Lastly, take a lot of their kid friendly/humorous characters and have a Saturday morning show geared towards kids. We don't need to see gators, bunnies and midgets on Monday Nights.

There are so many great wrestlers that never get a chance to work television because there is only so much time.

It's why I keep saying, just reopen WCW & act independent of the E. NO crossovers, unless you do what Ross suggested for Mid South & NWA and do one super show a year. Take the US belt back in addition to the heavyweight & tag titles and just run two promotions. Have four major events: SuperBrawl, Great American Bash, Halloween Havoc, & Starrcade w/ the occasional Clash of the Champions. A saturday morning show for kids & a weekly show for adults.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

I wish they did a brand split and added a few more shows to kind of cut the fat out of Raw and Smackdown. Split the brands, but make it a complete split, no crossover whatsoever.

• Have the US title exclusive to Smackdown and have the IC exclusive to Raw. Make those two titles the top championships for each brand, defended weekly on television.
  
• Keep the WWE World Heavyweight Championship exclusive to PPV's
  
• Giving the WWE World HW champion, whoever it is, the option of appearing on both brands. Since he's the WORLD Champion, he isn't tied to ONE show. He should only defend the title on PPV. It make the top title "mean" more.
  
• Have the Tag Titles hope on both brands as well, since the Tag Division is so weak.
  
• With champions for each brand, they can have champions meet only once per year at Clash of Champions/Night of Champions...
  
• Create a WWE Network exclusive Diva Wrestling show, something like G.L.O.W. and keep them off TV. WWE minus whale buy the rights for G.L.O.W. from whoever owns it.
  
• Lastly, take a lot of their kid friendly/humorous characters and have a Saturday morning show geared towards kids. We don't need to see gators, bunnies and midgets on Monday Nights.

There are so many great wrestlers that never get a chance to work television because there is only so much time.

Are you being sarcastic? They did all of that except the Divas wrestling show.

 

[unknownsoldier]

They gotta have roman come out and Brock lesnar the shit outta Rollins or Bryan at the ppv. Roman needs that edge to him, he can play the badass but he needs to come out and beat the shit outta somebody Orin scared its gonna be Brock vs Goldberg all over again.

Gotta be Bryan since Rollins can always cash in at any point...they're just making shit up without regard to the rules.

Logically, why does Rollins care who faces Brock when he got the briefcase?

doesn't make sense.

 

[EPDC]

Are you being sarcastic? They did all of that except the Divas wrestling show.

Not being sarcastic.

Did they have ONE WWE World Heavyweight Champion that only defended on PPVs? There was the WWE Champion and the World Heavyweight Champion, but never just ONE top champion.

Did they have a Saturday morning show geared towards children?

 

[Alphachino]

Not being sarcastic.

Did they have ONE WWE World Heavyweight Champion that only defended on PPVs? There was the WWE Champion and the World Heavyweight Champion, but never just ONE top champion.

Did they have a Saturday morning show geared towards children?

Yeah, it was on cw

 

[Alphachino]

So am I to assume reigns didn't know he was the rocks cousin when he triple power bombed his ass with the shield a while back????

 

[unknownsoldier]

Did they have a Saturday morning show geared towards children?

I remember Superstars was how Saturday morning cartoons ended in the late 80s/early 90s. Those squash matches built guys, allowed them to establish their moves & finishes...they need to make the current Superstars that for this younger generation.

 

[EPDC]

I remember Superstars was how Saturday morning cartoons ended in the late 80s/early 90s. Those squash matches built guys, allowed them to establish their moves & finishes...they need to make the current Superstars that for this younger generation.

Yeah, I remember that back in the day, bit since they have the network now, they can build an entire Saturday lineup around a kids wrestling show, in addition to adding their Slam City episodes around it.

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

Not being sarcastic.

Did they have ONE WWE World Heavyweight Champion that only defended on PPVs? There was the WWE Champion and the World Heavyweight Champion, but never just ONE top champion.

Did they have a Saturday morning show geared towards children?

They tried that with the original Undisputed Championship back when the brand extension first began. Then they broke that up and put the WWE title on one brand and the World title on the other because back then, they had a lot of guys who could be main event players. They don't have that many now, so they put the titles back together.

And they've tried a few kids shows, Slam City and Saturday Morning Kids Slam.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Gee, I wonder who THIS is?

 

[EPDC]

They tried that with the original Undisputed Championship back when the brand extension first began. Then they broke that up and put the WWE title on one brand and the World title on the other because back then, they had a lot of guys who could be main event players. They don't have that many now, so they put the titles back together.

And they've tried a few kids shows, Slam City and Saturday Morning Kids Slam.

They should try it again. There seems to be much better, younger talent today to make it work. So long as they get better at booking/writing.

 

[Simply Sickenin']

Why are they doing this to themselves? So now Bryan will probably go on to fight Reigns at Fastlane and ....​

1. Bryan wins which is pretty much a repeat of last year where they fucked up having Bryan not win the rumble but then they throw in a curve ball to and get Bryan in the main event anyway.
2. Reigns wins which will probably go over as Vince shoving his hand pick guy down down the fans' throat by having Reign pin Bryan clean.

Why are they doing this to themselves. You fucked up pushing Reigns too fast, but that was a week ago. You made your bed, now lay in it. I don't see either outcome being good for Reigns in the long run.

​

 

[c_commander]

So am I to assume reigns didn't know he was the rocks cousin when he triple power bombed his ass with the shield a while back????

He knew. They just didn't mention it. Family beating each other's ass is one of wrestling's most tried and true traditions. The Hardy's are a great example.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Gee, I wonder who THIS is?

..and the Reigns match is up next

 

[ScottyPiffen745]

They should try it again. There seems to be much better, younger talent today to make it work. So long as they get better at booking/writing.

Improving the writing and the booking is all they really need to do.

They had a lot more talent back in the 90s and the 2000s and made it work with two 2-hour shows

Raw is 3 hours now, SD is pretty much a recap of Raw, they got NXT, and can put any extra show on their own network - plenty of opportunity to develop and showcase the talent. But it doesn't mean anything, because they consistently fuck up pushes (bad writing) and punish the guys the fans actually like (bad booking).

 

[unknownsoldier]

Gee, I wonder who THIS is?

Orton

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

now i wish i could listen to Austin's podcast

 

[unknownsoldier]

Why are they doing this to themselves? So now Bryan will probably go on to fight Reigns at Fastlane and ....​

1. Bryan wins which is pretty much a repeat of last year where they fucked up having Bryan not win the rumble but then they throw in a curve ball to and get Bryan in the main event anyway.
2. Reigns wins which will probably go over as Vince shoving his hand pick guy down down the fans' throat by having Reign pin Bryan clean.

Why are they doing this to themselves. You fucked up pushing Reigns too fast, but that was a week ago. You made your bed, now lay in it. I don't see either outcome being good for Reigns in the long run.

​

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Fuck that, I want a brand split. That would shake WWE to its core.

It would but they don't have the talent to make it work anymore.

They gotta have roman come out and Brock lesnar the shit outta Rollins or Bryan at the ppv. Roman needs that edge to him, he can play the badass but he needs to come out and beat the shit outta somebody Orin scared its gonna be Brock vs Goldberg all over again.

I'm not because Roman is younger than Goldberg and for that match, both guys were disgruntled and on the way out.

Logically, why does Rollins care who faces Brock when he got the briefcase?

You know that word never belongs in a WWE booking conversation.

So am I to assume reigns didn't know he was the rocks cousin when he triple power bombed his ass with the shield a while back????

While I'm glad they finally got around to acknowledging his past on tv, they now need us to forget all the dirt Reigns did to the Rock and the Usos without any explanation.
That was my first thought when Rock saved him at Rumble.

They should try it again. There seems to be much better, younger talent today to make it work. So long as they get better at booking/writing.

And that's the real reason they won't and shouldn't.

Why are they doing this to themselves? So now Bryan will probably go on to fight Reigns at Fastlane and ....​

1. Bryan wins which is pretty much a repeat of last year where they fucked up having Bryan not win the rumble but then they throw in a curve ball to and get Bryan in the main event anyway.
2. Reigns wins which will probably go over as Vince shoving his hand pick guy down down the fans' throat by having Reign pin Bryan clean.

Why are they doing this to themselves. You fucked up pushing Reigns too fast, but that was a week ago. You made your bed, now lay in it. I don't see either outcome being good for Reigns in the long run.

​

 

[younggiftedandblack]

Orton

It was the Boogeyman. Apparently he and Bray are going to feud.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

It was the Boogeyman. Apparently he and Bray are going to feud.

they should go for the "one horror movie icon vs another one" thing

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

They should try it again. There seems to be much better, younger talent today to make it work. So long as they get better at booking/writing.

The US belt should be the main belt of RAW and the IC belt should be the main belt of Smackdown. Twice a year on a PPV the IC Champ wrestles the US champ for a shot at the World title later on in the evening. NoC would be an ideal choice for one of them.

 

[EPDC]

The US belt should be the main belt of RAW and the IC belt should be the main belt of Smackdown. Twice a year on a PPV the IC Champ wrestles the US champ for a shot at the World title later on in the evening. NoC would be an ideal choice for one of them.

Lately, it seems like the US belt is more important than the IC titles, with who's holding it (Rusev) vs who's holding the IC title (BNB).

Always liked the IC title better, as I grew up with WWF, but Rusev is giving the US title some meaning. If/When Cena beats him, it would do the title a lot of good in legitimizing it as the second most important belt in the company.

 

[Alphachino]

Lately, it seems like the US belt is more important than the IC titles, with who's holding it (Rusev) vs who's holding the IC title (BNB).

Always liked the IC title better, as I grew up with WWF, but Rusev is giving the US title some meaning. If/When Cena beats him, it would do the title a lot of good in legitimizing it as the second most important belt in the company.

Man cena gotta lose that match man, rusev losing has to be a wrestle mania moment. It would be cheap against cena at fast lane.

Shit real talk Id give rusev Bryan at wm, when Bryan beats him the roof would explode