I have to disagree with you. They can but they have proven themselves unable to sustain a push. Cesaro was going well then they started jobbing him out. Same with Ziggler, Sandow, Rhodes,etc. Wade Barrett should have gotten the title when he was leading Nexus. Instead he was fed to the Cena machine, put in another faction jobbed out to Ezekial Jackson & now he's still stuck in the midcard.

I hear what you're saying but at this point in Cena's career he is who he is. He's been in good matches with HHH, HBK, Punk to name a few... My problem is WWE fails to realize and remember that one star doesn't make a company. Bryan has gotten over all over again and yeah its great he'll get pushed again but if it's for the "legend" that is Cena then it's a wasted opportunity.

Cena will never be viewed the way the WWE wishes he was mostly because of poor booking. Now is the time to build new stars not keep feeding us the Super Cena legends tour. The other sad part is because of how bad booking is now no one is gonna look back and think this was the year that made Cena a legend. It'll be looked at as the years where good wrestlers got over looked and booked poorly to make Cena.

Hell even in their prime Rock and Austin lost matches.

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I hear what you're saying but at this point in Cena's career he is who he is. He's been in good matches with HHH, HBK, Punk to name a few... My problem is WWE fails to realize and remember that one star doesn't make a company. Bryan has gotten over all over again and yeah its great he'll get pushed again but if it's for the "legend" that is Cena then it's a wasted opportunity.

Cena will never be viewed the way the WWE wishes he was mostly because of poor booking. Now is the time to build new stars not keep feeding us the Super Cena legends tour. The other sad part is because of how bad booking is now no one is gonna look back and think this was the year that made Cena a legend. It'll be looked at as the years where good wrestlers got over looked and booked poorly to make Cena.

Hell even in their prime Rock and Austin lost matches.

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Most legends have that status mainly because of the matches and primarily the feuds they were apart of. And those feuds were great not only because of the matches but because the 2 opponents were presented on an even level. That is something that time after time with very few exceptions they fail to do with Cena.
 
When I say "they", I'm not necessarily just speaking on WWE but on the companies in general, going back to the territories. It doesn't matter how hard you work, if the company doesn't want you to be a real star, you won't be, at least not for that company. Zack Ryder is the best example of that right now.
Both SCSA and Rock are legends because the company made them so. The problem is the guys who were part of that are no longer there and Vince has people writing to entertain him instead of the audience.

See when you say stuff like that you minimize the work those guys did to become legends, i don't care how much a company pushes you if you don't have that "it" factor that makes you stand out then people will not watch. All Vince & Co did was give guys like Hogan, Savage, SCSA & Rock a platform, it was up to them to make it work. Cena will be considered a legend but it will always feel tainted since he was forced instead of legitimately earning the title. Cena would be in a great spot now if they had turned him back in 07-08 and had the hardcore fans cheering him, by now he could alternate between good & bad while having the respect of all the fans no matter what like HHH.
 
In other news

ANOTHER TNA RELEASE
by Mike Johnson @ 4:00 PM on 6/5/2013

Douglas Williams, who of late had been training in OVW as opposed to having a role in company storylines, has been released by TNA.
Williams follows Todd Kenely in being dropped by the promotion.

The talk over the last few days was that some names may be dropped in a cost-cutting measure, so there may be additional releases forthcoming. Stay tuned.


Now this is shit I don't like. With all the young guys they have, they need a trainer like Williams, who can still get in the ring and work. Seeing how they just signed Rampage, he would be perfect to work with Rampage to help him as they should put Jackson in a match at Bound For Glory (preferably against Kurt Angle).

You wanna cut costs, get rid of Hogan :hmm:
 
Most legends have that status mainly because of the matches and primarily the feuds they were apart of. And those feuds were great not only because of the matches but because the 2 opponents were presented on an even level. That is something that time after time with very few exceptions they fail to do with Cena.

Exactly how I feel.. Cena has had bad booking on his side for the last few years. It's what hurts this whole legend status, looking back no one will remember a great Cena match or a great feud he was apart of that launched him into being a so called legend. Some of Cena's best feuds happened over 7 yrs ago when he was feuding with Edge.

I just think the idea of legend status is silly when u have booking this bad and a company with so little direction.

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See when you say stuff like that you minimize the work those guys did to become legends, i don't care how much a company pushes you if you don't have that "it" factor that makes you stand out then people will not watch. All Vince & Co did was give guys like Hogan, Savage, SCSA & Rock a platform, it was up to them to make it work. Cena will be considered a legend but it will always feel tainted since he was forced instead of legitimately earning the title. Cena would be in a great spot now if they had turned him back in 07-08 and had the hardcore fans cheering him, by now he could alternate between good & bad while having the respect of all the fans no matter what like HHH.

I'm not minimizing anything. Both of those guys did the work but if the "machine", whether it's WWE now or any major promotion/territory back in the day, isn't behind you, it won't matter. Austin could talk all the shit and flip middle fingers but if Vince decided "I don't want to do this", he would have jobbed him out and killed him off. Same with Rock.
In Cena's defense, he has earned his spot. Dude works as hard as anyone, especially considering how limited he is. We've gone over his weaknesses ad nauseum and we will again but he's not the booker. He's surrounded by people who've been in the business at least twice as long as he has and if they don't correct him, then he must be doing something right (we know that's bullshit but that's how employees think).

Most legends have that status mainly because of the matches and primarily the feuds they were apart of. And those feuds were great not only because of the matches but because the 2 opponents were presented on an even level. That is something that time after time with very few exceptions they fail to do with Cena.

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Even Monday, since it was a no dq, non title match, why not have Ryback roll him into the ring and let Axel get a pinfall victory?
Why the stupid 3 Stages of Hell stips? A lumberjack match?

You wanna cut costs, get rid of Hogan :hmm:

You know I'm not a Hogan fan but if their books say Hogan's selling merch and notoriously tough crowds in Philly and Boston are chanting "Hogan! Hogan!", you don't cut Hulk. But you do cut back on his time.
Hulk was on fire on the mic at Slammiversary, I'll give him that.
 
You know I'm not a Hogan fan but if their books say Hogan's selling merch and notoriously tough crowds in Philly and Boston are chanting "Hogan! Hogan!", you don't cut Hulk. But you do cut back on his time.
Hulk was on fire on the mic at Slammiversary, I'll give him that.

Which is why Cena's Legend status will never really be legit. Back in Hogans prime as a baby face he wasn't getting boo ed. Even now where his abilities have been outlined grossly Hogan will get cheered and still sell merch. Cena does a speech at a press conference and he gets the "Cena Sucks" chants. You get Legend status due to the road you took to get there. Jericho is a legend due to his work. Sting who NEVER worked for Vince and never will is a Legend due to his work. Sure WWE can give the title 'Legend' to whomever they want but we are the ones that validate it. White privilege has gotten Cena this far, but it can't make you cheer FOR him

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I'm not minimizing anything. Both of those guys did the work but if the "machine", whether it's WWE now or any major promotion/territory back in the day, isn't behind you, it won't matter. Austin could talk all the shit and flip middle fingers but if Vince decided "I don't want to do this", he would have jobbed him out and killed him off. Same with Rock.

Agreed that any company can shut you down whenever they feel like it, but at the same time guys like Hogan Austin Rock etc gave them a reason to not shut them down. I never agreed with the notion that anyone could've been Hulk Hogan because you can see that Terry just had that natural showmanship to get it over. It seems like for the longest time Vince completely tuned the fans out, now that HHH is starting to gain a little power we're seeing a concerted effort to create some new stars.

In Cena's defense, he has earned his spot. Dude works as hard as anyone, especially considering how limited he is. We've gone over his weaknesses ad nauseum and we will again but he's not the booker. He's surrounded by people who've been in the business at least twice as long as he has and if they don't correct him, then he must be doing something right (we know that's bullshit but that's how employees think).

True, but at the same time guys who know the business know when to switch it up. All the legends in the business did what they wanted to do, case in point SCSA made sure he was presented a certain way as did HHH. Hogan was the ultimate politician so why is Cena so helpless when all the other top stars got more leeway?
 
Which is why Cena's Legend status will never really be legit. Back in Hogans prime as a baby face he wasn't getting boo ed. Even now where his abilities have been outlined grossly Hogan will get cheered and still sell merch. Cena does a speech at a press conference and he gets the "Cena Sucks" chants. You get Legend status due to the road you took to get there. Jericho is a legend due to his work. Sting who NEVER worked for Vince and never will is a Legend due to his work. Sure WWE can give the title 'Legend' to whomever they want but we are the ones that validate it. White privilege has gotten Cena this far, but it can't make you cheer FOR him

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A part of the booing Cena is because it's funny. Partly because of how he takes it in good humor, it's become part of the schtick.
Cena's legend won't be legit to us but to this current generation of fans, he's their guy. The same way I used to HATE the Rock N Roll Express and now I look back and miss those days, another generation of fans will do that with Cena. Breaking out their "We Hate Cena" tshirts at conventions.

Agreed that any company can shut you down whenever they feel like it, but at the same time guys like Hogan Austin Rock etc gave them a reason to not shut them down. I never agreed with the notion that anyone could've been Hulk Hogan because you can see that Terry just had that natural showmanship to get it over. It seems like for the longest time Vince completely tuned the fans out, now that HHH is starting to gain a little power we're seeing a concerted effort to create some new stars.

I still think Vince is tuning out fans. But they just fired their head writer, who was big on soap opera bullshit, and they're forced to rely on more wrestling. I have no doubt Vince will hire another writer to get back to goofy storylines.
You're right. Those guys made it work and because they were making money for Vince, he kept them strong. That's why he keeps Cena as/is. If ratings were to drop HARD then he might be willing the change up. But it would have to be so far he couldn't fall back on his regular excuses (Monday Night Football, the cyclical nature of the business, etc).



True, but at the same time guys who know the business know when to switch it up. All the legends in the business did what they wanted to do, case in point SCSA made sure he was presented a certain way as did HHH. Hogan was the ultimate politician so why is Cena so helpless when all the other top stars got more leeway?

What does he need to do? He wins almost all the time. What's to fix if you're John Cena? He's in the main events. He's getting the Hogan treatment plus some. Where is the impetus for him to bitch?
Plus, some guys just aren't good politicians. Ric Flair is on everyone's top 5 but he was the worst politician to ever be a main event guy. Some wrestlers just aren't bright like that while others are born sharks.


switching gears

I'm looking forward to Bully Ray vs Chris Sabin this summer. I guess Destination X will be an Impact taping.

I miss Mickie James as a heel. This is a good turn going on.
 
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I was thinking of TNA Knockouts the other day when suddenly I came across these.....

Roxxi

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Victoria

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Micki James

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Sarita

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Brooke

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Side Note: This is probably the best pic I've come across of Roxxi.
 
Who pissed off Mark Henry? This is clearly pointed at someone in the office.


WWE STAR BREAKS SILENCE ON HIS TIME OFF, NOT A HAPPY CAMPER
by Mike Johnson @ 12:12 PM on 6/10/2013

Mark Henry took to Twitter late last night to respond to "rumors" he was retiring and commented on his recent time off from WWE after hurting his shoulder at Extreme Rules, writing:
"The only reason I'm breaking my silence to the twitter world is to tell u I'm not retiring!!!! I have hate in my heart that's too dangerous. It's best to be away till I'm right I feel I my hurt someone or do damage to my family by going to jail.tired of holding back. I will return when I'm healthy,not because the roster is thin. I AM HURT! Don't hide on the web you got my # call me with that bull sh@t."

So, there you have it.
 
And for the hundredth time, Impact starts with...The old bastard in red and yellow :hmm: I'm about boycott these bastards...I'm just done.

Also wtf, is TNA holding a beard growing contest?
 
Rollie is on fire!!!:lol:


And for the hundredth time, Impact starts with...The old bastard in red and yellow :hmm: I'm about boycott these bastards...I'm just done.

Also wtf, is TNA holding a beard growing contest?

Yeah, they are. They're in one with WWE. White boys are into big beards all of a sudden. Big E needs to get in on it so he can lose those razor bumps.
Morgan and Crimson vs Bryan and Sandow -loser shaves match. WWE wins by dq because of a Eric Young and Gunner run in.
Hogan started it but we didn't see him again for almost the rest of the entire show and they shot an angle with Roode and Hardy for next week. That's how you use a guy like Hogan.

I like heel Mickie James.
Velvet earns a lot of criticism but for her and all the KOs, I like that they don't cry whenever something happens to them like the Divas do. The Divas cry all the time. Put them in a hold, they're crying. Kaitlyn gets catfished, she's crying.
 
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so it looks like they about to turn Punk again, and turn Del Rio back heel at the same time possibly making Ziggler a face in the process
 
Cena matches are getting harder and harder to watch. Poor booking combined with poor execution is a killer especially when it's your main event.:smh::smh:

Jericho and Wolverine, i mean Punk yet again put on a solid match. Gone are the days when the best wrestling match ends a PPV.

Decent PPV overall... Del Rio and Ziggler possibly swapping roles could be interesting.

And the return of Mr. PPV/Monday Night RVD to WWE...gotta wonder if he gets main event push with a money in the bank victory or if he's just here to help younger guys get over.
 
so it looks like they about to turn Punk again, and turn Del Rio back heel at the same time possibly making Ziggler a face in the process

that means theyd have to turn Jericho heel if Punk becoming a face again..

i assume since AJ won i guess that means Kaitlyn may also turn heel as well
 
that means theyd have to turn Jericho heel if Punk becoming a face again..

i assume since AJ won i guess that means Kaitlyn may also turn heel as well

there was talk of WWE turning Jericho heel,since it's being said he might take a brief hiatus after the MITB ppv, which also will be where Rob Van Dam will make his return to WWE

-there was actually talk of turning Big E Langston face but after tonight it seems Ziggler is doing the turn, Langston and AJ Lee might eventually break away from Ziggler...


- Looks like Mark Henry is about to hang them up :


- Mark Henry made the following tweets tonight for his RAW return:

"Whether you loved or hated me in my career.I was all ways there for you.i appreciate u all. Good or bad I will live forever with u the fans."

"I found a place. #raw #wwe I have spoke to my family and hope to talk to all of you fans tomorrow live from Grand Rapids. Guys Father Time is undefeated."
 
so it looks like they about to turn Punk again, and turn Del Rio back heel at the same time possibly making Ziggler a face in the process

That's what it looks like. I don't understand why they're going to do it now and why have three turns at the same time, with it looking obvious someone is turning in the Bryan-Orton angle. Putting the title on a face ADR and having him go against Barrett would make sense. Or leave the title on Dolph and build up to his split with Big E and AJ. They just hotshot and rush shit. It might make for one good show but then weeks of bad tv as they figure out what to do on the fly. It's like WCW never died.

Considering how he's been popping off on Twitter, I'm not shocked Dolph lost the title.
Cena matches are getting harder and harder to watch. Poor booking combined with poor execution is a killer especially when it's your main event.:smh::smh:

Jericho and Wolverine, i mean Punk yet again put on a solid match. Gone are the days when the best wrestling match ends a PPV.

Decent PPV overall... Del Rio and Ziggler possibly swapping roles could be interesting.

And the return of Mr. PPV/Monday Night RVD to WWE...gotta wonder if he gets main event push with a money in the bank victory or if he's just here to help younger guys get over.

Probably both, like Jericho. For the limited time they'll both be there, it's great to see RVD and Jericho help with the guys they have. I've seen Orton vs Barrett and Cesaro or Sheamus vs those two or Rhodes Scholars a hundred times. Having RVD gives them fresh matches.

there was talk of WWE turning Jericho heel,since it's being said he might take a brief hiatus after the MITB ppv, which also will be where Rob Van Dam will make his return to WWE

-there was actually talk of turning Big E Langston face but after tonight it seems Ziggler is doing the turn, Langston and AJ Lee might eventually break away from Ziggler...

That works but I hate how they try to make all their faces smiling, hand slapping white meat babyfaces. Even Orton says Vince tells him to smile more as he's going to the ring.

The talk of Mark retiring has been around for over a year so that's not a surprise with him coming off another injury. I just hope they give him that big feud with Cena first. Let him make that real main event money before he goes out.
 
That's what it looks like. I don't understand why they're going to do it now and why have three turns at the same time, with it looking obvious someone is turning in the Bryan-Orton angle. Putting the title on a face ADR and having him go against Barrett would make sense. Or leave the title on Dolph and build up to his split with Big E and AJ. They just hotshot and rush shit. It might make for one good show but then weeks of bad tv as they figure out what to do on the fly. It's like WCW never died.


Probably both, like Jericho. For the limited time they'll both be there, it's great to see RVD and Jericho help with the guys they have. I've seen Orton vs Barrett and Cesaro or Sheamus vs those two or Rhodes Scholars a hundred times. Having RVD gives them fresh matches.



That works but I hate how they try to make all their faces smiling, hand slapping white meat babyfaces. Even Orton says Vince tells him to smile more as he's going to the ring.

Doesn't this just prove how out of touch Vince has become with his own brand? He's doing hot shot booking instead of letting things naturally build. Remember Punk walking out? That should have gone on longer than what 2 weeks! I'm starting to believe Vince has lost the touch and the guys on his roster aren't bold enough to stand out from what they may think is just a bad idea. Orton should have enough clout to tell Vince..."my character doesn't smile".
 
Doesn't this just prove how out of touch Vince has become with his own brand? He's doing hot shot booking instead of letting things naturally build. Remember Punk walking out? That should have gone on longer than what 2 weeks! I'm starting to believe Vince has lost the touch and the guys on his roster aren't bold enough to stand out from what they may think is just a bad idea. Orton should have enough clout to tell Vince..."my character doesn't smile".

I'm going to post the Orton interview. Good read.
Yeah, I think Vince has lost touch but he's over 60 yrs old, that's natural. I don't even think he was ever that in touch to begin with. But he no longer has people who will stand up to him (Vince Russo) or that he respects (Pat Patterson, Gorilla Monsoon). It's a damn shame that Michael Hayes is such a pussy. He has to know that most of the stuff they do is bullshit but from what I keep seeing, he just does whatever Vince/Stephanie wants.
 
RANDY ORTON DISCUSSES CENA PROMOS THAT MAKE YOU 'WANT TO KILL YOURSELF', HIS PLACE ON THE ROSTER, WORKING BABYFACE, THE INSANE RAW CROWD AFTER WRESTLEMANIA, WHAT HE WANTED TO DO THAT NIGHT AND MUCH, MUCH MOREby Mike Ryker @ 6:00 PM on 6/5/2013


WWE Superstar Randy Orton joined Busted Open with Dave Lagreca and Doug Mortman. You can hear Busted Open on Sirius 92, XM 208 and on the app on Sports Zone.

On teaming with Team Hell No and on Daniel Bryan’s presence right now in the WWE: "Yeah he can do some stuff, can’t he? When he blows that comeback, as we say, he gets the people going. You know, he’s got a little, he goes crazy with the Ultimate Warrior thing, it’s like he is always morphing into like Bryan Hogan, instead of Bryan Daniel-or Daniel Bryan, or whatever his name is now. I remember, one time my dad, like I just had a match and I came home and I’m talking about how Bryan Danielson, you know hit me in the back of the head with a title, and I feel like I got a concussion. And my dad the next day was like, “you know I was really worried about you cause you kept calling him Bryan Danielson.” And I’m like, well that was his name, that’s how we know him, I call him that. The WWE likes to change things up, don’t they?"

On how gimmicks or catchphrases happen, do they just catch on randomly or planned: "It’s one of those things where they’re trying, there is a creative team and you know I’m my own brand so I’m always thinking. A lot of the time, things like that come out of nowhere. Like you just stumble on to something. Hasn’t really happened with me, but you’ll see it happen. I’m not the stick guy. I can’t go out there like John Cena and cut a babyface promo that makes you want to kill yourself five minutes in, as good as he can. You know what I mean? No offense, John. Obviously he’s very successful so, I don’t know what I am talking about."

Randy tells a funny John Cena story: "I tagged with him, last week or the week before, on a Raw Supershow, or a live event Supershow, both rosters were there. And we’re out there in the ring. And it’s me, Cena, and somebody. Maybe Kofi or Sheamus, against Big Show, Mark Henry, and somebody else, I forget. And Cena says, “Can you do a dropkick tonight?” And I go, uhh, yeah. Can you? And he goes; and we’re in the ring! Like, we’re about to—the bells about to ring. And he’s starting, and he goes, “Alright, I’m gonna tag you in in a second. Let’s do a double drop kick.” Now I’m thinking in my head, “This motherf**cker don’t need to be doing no dropkicks.” That’s what I’m thinking. So he tags me in, ducks a punch from Show, Show turns around. Before I can even step through the ropes, Cena is up in the air dropkicking Show. And I’m like, looking at him, I thought you said a double dropkick? So, next time he calls anything, I’m gonna think twice. Because I ended up jumping up in the air, while Shows already on the ground, and just landing on my head. So it was a double dropkick where he (Cena) went and I then I slip- Oh-Oh-I tried to get—nope. So everyone in the back, I come back and they were like, (clapping) “Great dropkick.” I watched it back, and it looks like I just jumped up in the air as high as I can and then land. Nothing happened; I just jumped up and fell. It was brutal. Thank you, John Cena."

On John Cena’s Five Moves of Doom: "No. Hold on. I only got about four moves. (this was funny to me-UD)So don’t throw stones, now. But yeah. He shouldn’t be doing dropkicks. Nah, I tell him all the time actually. But, dammit. He tries."

On since coming back he seems to be enjoying himself more in the babyface position: "Yeah. It’s always fun when the crowd reacts like that. And you know what? We will be in some country over in Europe sometimes, and they’re not like that at all. But you gotta just, each crowd is different. And you gotta know that. You can do the same exact thing, or have the same finish in one town, that’s over huge. And the next town, it’s like a fart in church."

On the crowd at Raw the night after Wrestlemania 29: "Oh Yeah! I had to just—I didn’t know what to do. I wanted to be part of the wave. I thought; should I do the wave with them? Like what—cause they obviously were crapping all over us. Not on purpose. But they weren’t like. We were in the ring, beating the crap out of each other, and they were doing the wave. So it was like, it’s the European, it’s the whole multicultural fan base from all over the world that had been at Wrestlemania, and stayed there the weekend, and got tickets to Raw. So you got a lot of different kinds of people out there. And that European crowd, they do that. They’re loud, they’re singing, they’re drunk, they’re fighting, they’re brawling. That soccer crowd over there? The football crowd? And that’s what it was. That’s what they were doing. And I knew that, you know. Cause we wrestle in Europe all the time. But yeah, it was definitely—I had to just kind of sit back and what is going on?"

On if the Wrestlemania crowds are consistent: "You know, you can’t. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. It just depends. Like the first year that Rock hosted Wrestlemania, not when he worked Cena, but when he hosted Wrestlemania? It’s almost like it didn’t have the appeal when it happened. You never know what you are going to get. You never know if—these three hour Raws? That’s a lot of wrestling. And they’ve already been there for an hour, they got there early, got their t-shirt, got their concession, sat down, watched the dark match. You know that’s a lot of wrestling. Our fans, they’re die-hard fans. And they’ll sit there through it, man. And they’ll sit through the stuff they might not want to see, to see their guy. But you can guaran-damn-tee the WWE Universe is there for us. And that’s cool. And before as a heel, I never really cared about the fans. But now as a babyface, I see more than ever how important they are."

On how he feels on being a heel vs. a babyface: "Well the more over I can get as a babyface, when I turn, the bigger the heel I’ll be. So if they wanna keep me a babyface, I’ll just keep doing my thing. And keep my five or six or four, whatever it is, moves. Keep them crisp and see what happens. But right now, being the good guy, it’s cool. Because they’re digging it."

On being in an odd spot, all over placement wise, is it frustrating: "It could be frustrating, but I just don’t let it be. There was a time in my career where I would let it get me frustrated, but now it’s like I get paid well to do what I love. They tell me to do this, they tell me to jump, I’ll jump. And I’m gonna jump as high as I can because I know that all my fans out there, all those 2.5 million people that follow me on Twitter, they want to see me give a hundred and ten percent. So I’m gonna do what WWE tells me to do out there, I’m gonna work with who they want me to work with. I’ll give my suggestions when I feel they might be used wisely but I’m just gonna give it my all. And that’s kind of the unspoken motto backstage. Just give it a hundred and ten percent. And our guys do."

On being not the typical babyface: "Maybe? I think the face thing works for me because I tried the best I could when I was turning to keep some of those heel characteristics. And I think I did. But then there was a point where they were really big on me smiling when I came out to the ring. I swear, I shit you not. I’m sitting there, and my music plays, and then I hear someone calling my name. And I look over, it’s Vince. And he takes his headset off and he stands up and he goes “SMILE!” (:smh:-UD)And I’m like, okay. I’m thinking in my head, a year ago, a little nine-year-old girl in the front row, if I gave her the right kind of look or expression and walked towards her. Still 20 feet away from her, but if she was ring side, I could get her to cry, or get behind her mom. They were scared of me. I had like this Undertaker type, weird aura. They didn’t know what I was. They knew I was capable of doing anything. They didn’t know what they were going to get from me. I’m kicking people in the head. I’m kissing Stephanie McMahon and nailing Triple H with the sledgehammer. It was a good time."

On Triple H/ McMahon family feud, Wrestlemania match being underrated: "The buildup was great. The match suffered because Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker kicked out of each other’s finishers for twenty minutes before we went out there. They should have been last. They really should have. If we would’ve been earlier on that card, I think it would have been better for us. But I think, like I was saying, those fans, god love them, but that’s a lot of wrestling. And they’ve already been winded by watching these big match ups with Shawn Michaels kicking out of tombstone piledrivers and Undertaker kicking out of superkicks. And then, what a finish. And now they’re like, well we’ve seen our main event. And now when me and Triple H go out there, and we’re not doing five RKO’s or five pedigrees and kicking out of them. It’s not the same."

On how having a family has changed him in his career: "Big time. The responsibility factor. Really getting married, settling down, and having a kid; that was the biggest thing for me. I realized, this little girl that came into my life, that I created with my wife, and how special is that? I wanted a little girl so bad too. The whole daddy’s little girl thing was intriguing to me. And I got that relationship with her now. So it’s really been cool, but it’s taken me back and I realize my decisions affect her. So you gotta think before you act."

On being a multi-generation star, is it a blessing or a curse: "Yes and no. I think it might depend on who your old man was too? Mine is a hall of famer. So is Cody’s, so is Ted’s, so is Curtis’s. I wanna say Michael McGillicutty, but that’s blasphemy, that’s awful. Yeah I’m happy for him by the way; he got the Curtis Axel moniker, in respect of his father, and his grandfather, Larry the Axe. That’s cool. So I’m happy for him, that was a long time coming. But yeah, I don’t think Curtis Axel, his father being Mr. Perfect, hurts him. I think it helps him. Immediately, you know who he is. Even if you don’t know who he is, you know where he came from. And you know you loved where he came from. You remember his dad if you are any kind of wrestling fan. So you’re gonna wanna be interested in what this kid has to offer. Whether or not he is able to provide the entertainment factor is another story. That’s up to him."

On if the next “class” of WWE superstars along the same caliber of his 2001-2002 class: "I could say yes, I could say yes it is. The class that I was in with Lesnar and those guys, there’s no Lesnars or Batistas walking around there right now. Big E, he’s a strong dude. Ryback’s a strong dude. But if you put Batista next to those guys, he was 6’6, 320 lbs. Those guys are pushing 6’1-6’2. But Batista was wide. He was a big old dude. Those guys could beat him in a bench press contest but I’d rather look like Dave. If I was gonna intimidate somebody? Give me the Batista build, any day."
 
RANDY ORTON DISCUSSES CENA PROMOS THAT MAKE YOU 'WANT TO KILL YOURSELF', HIS PLACE ON THE ROSTER, WORKING BABYFACE, THE INSANE RAW CROWD AFTER WRESTLEMANIA, WHAT HE WANTED TO DO THAT NIGHT AND MUCH, MUCH MOREby Mike Ryker @ 6:00 PM on 6/5/2013


WWE Superstar Randy Orton joined Busted Open with Dave Lagreca and Doug Mortman. You can hear Busted Open on Sirius 92, XM 208 and on the app on Sports Zone.

On teaming with Team Hell No and on Daniel Bryan’s presence right now in the WWE: "Yeah he can do some stuff, can’t he? When he blows that comeback, as we say, he gets the people going. You know, he’s got a little, he goes crazy with the Ultimate Warrior thing, it’s like he is always morphing into like Bryan Hogan, instead of Bryan Daniel-or Daniel Bryan, or whatever his name is now. I remember, one time my dad, like I just had a match and I came home and I’m talking about how Bryan Danielson, you know hit me in the back of the head with a title, and I feel like I got a concussion. And my dad the next day was like, “you know I was really worried about you cause you kept calling him Bryan Danielson.” And I’m like, well that was his name, that’s how we know him, I call him that. The WWE likes to change things up, don’t they?"

On how gimmicks or catchphrases happen, do they just catch on randomly or planned: "It’s one of those things where they’re trying, there is a creative team and you know I’m my own brand so I’m always thinking. A lot of the time, things like that come out of nowhere. Like you just stumble on to something. Hasn’t really happened with me, but you’ll see it happen. I’m not the stick guy. I can’t go out there like John Cena and cut a babyface promo that makes you want to kill yourself five minutes in, as good as he can. You know what I mean? No offense, John. Obviously he’s very successful so, I don’t know what I am talking about."

Randy tells a funny John Cena story: "I tagged with him, last week or the week before, on a Raw Supershow, or a live event Supershow, both rosters were there. And we’re out there in the ring. And it’s me, Cena, and somebody. Maybe Kofi or Sheamus, against Big Show, Mark Henry, and somebody else, I forget. And Cena says, “Can you do a dropkick tonight?” And I go, uhh, yeah. Can you? And he goes; and we’re in the ring! Like, we’re about to—the bells about to ring. And he’s starting, and he goes, “Alright, I’m gonna tag you in in a second. Let’s do a double drop kick.” Now I’m thinking in my head, “This motherf**cker don’t need to be doing no dropkicks.” That’s what I’m thinking. So he tags me in, ducks a punch from Show, Show turns around. Before I can even step through the ropes, Cena is up in the air dropkicking Show. And I’m like, looking at him, I thought you said a double dropkick? So, next time he calls anything, I’m gonna think twice. Because I ended up jumping up in the air, while Shows already on the ground, and just landing on my head. So it was a double dropkick where he (Cena) went and I then I slip- Oh-Oh-I tried to get—nope. So everyone in the back, I come back and they were like, (clapping) “Great dropkick.” I watched it back, and it looks like I just jumped up in the air as high as I can and then land. Nothing happened; I just jumped up and fell. It was brutal. Thank you, John Cena."

On John Cena’s Five Moves of Doom: "No. Hold on. I only got about four moves. (this was funny to me-UD)So don’t throw stones, now. But yeah. He shouldn’t be doing dropkicks. Nah, I tell him all the time actually. But, dammit. He tries."

On since coming back he seems to be enjoying himself more in the babyface position: "Yeah. It’s always fun when the crowd reacts like that. And you know what? We will be in some country over in Europe sometimes, and they’re not like that at all. But you gotta just, each crowd is different. And you gotta know that. You can do the same exact thing, or have the same finish in one town, that’s over huge. And the next town, it’s like a fart in church."

On the crowd at Raw the night after Wrestlemania 29: "Oh Yeah! I had to just—I didn’t know what to do. I wanted to be part of the wave. I thought; should I do the wave with them? Like what—cause they obviously were crapping all over us. Not on purpose. But they weren’t like. We were in the ring, beating the crap out of each other, and they were doing the wave. So it was like, it’s the European, it’s the whole multicultural fan base from all over the world that had been at Wrestlemania, and stayed there the weekend, and got tickets to Raw. So you got a lot of different kinds of people out there. And that European crowd, they do that. They’re loud, they’re singing, they’re drunk, they’re fighting, they’re brawling. That soccer crowd over there? The football crowd? And that’s what it was. That’s what they were doing. And I knew that, you know. Cause we wrestle in Europe all the time. But yeah, it was definitely—I had to just kind of sit back and what is going on?"

On if the Wrestlemania crowds are consistent: "You know, you can’t. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. It just depends. Like the first year that Rock hosted Wrestlemania, not when he worked Cena, but when he hosted Wrestlemania? It’s almost like it didn’t have the appeal when it happened. You never know what you are going to get. You never know if—these three hour Raws? That’s a lot of wrestling. And they’ve already been there for an hour, they got there early, got their t-shirt, got their concession, sat down, watched the dark match. You know that’s a lot of wrestling. Our fans, they’re die-hard fans. And they’ll sit there through it, man. And they’ll sit through the stuff they might not want to see, to see their guy. But you can guaran-damn-tee the WWE Universe is there for us. And that’s cool. And before as a heel, I never really cared about the fans. But now as a babyface, I see more than ever how important they are."

On how he feels on being a heel vs. a babyface: "Well the more over I can get as a babyface, when I turn, the bigger the heel I’ll be. So if they wanna keep me a babyface, I’ll just keep doing my thing. And keep my five or six or four, whatever it is, moves. Keep them crisp and see what happens. But right now, being the good guy, it’s cool. Because they’re digging it."

On being in an odd spot, all over placement wise, is it frustrating: "It could be frustrating, but I just don’t let it be. There was a time in my career where I would let it get me frustrated, but now it’s like I get paid well to do what I love. They tell me to do this, they tell me to jump, I’ll jump. And I’m gonna jump as high as I can because I know that all my fans out there, all those 2.5 million people that follow me on Twitter, they want to see me give a hundred and ten percent. So I’m gonna do what WWE tells me to do out there, I’m gonna work with who they want me to work with. I’ll give my suggestions when I feel they might be used wisely but I’m just gonna give it my all. And that’s kind of the unspoken motto backstage. Just give it a hundred and ten percent. And our guys do."

On being not the typical babyface: "Maybe? I think the face thing works for me because I tried the best I could when I was turning to keep some of those heel characteristics. And I think I did. But then there was a point where they were really big on me smiling when I came out to the ring. I swear, I shit you not. I’m sitting there, and my music plays, and then I hear someone calling my name. And I look over, it’s Vince. And he takes his headset off and he stands up and he goes “SMILE!” (:smh:-UD)And I’m like, okay. I’m thinking in my head, a year ago, a little nine-year-old girl in the front row, if I gave her the right kind of look or expression and walked towards her. Still 20 feet away from her, but if she was ring side, I could get her to cry, or get behind her mom. They were scared of me. I had like this Undertaker type, weird aura. They didn’t know what I was. They knew I was capable of doing anything. They didn’t know what they were going to get from me. I’m kicking people in the head. I’m kissing Stephanie McMahon and nailing Triple H with the sledgehammer. It was a good time."

On Triple H/ McMahon family feud, Wrestlemania match being underrated: "The buildup was great. The match suffered because Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker kicked out of each other’s finishers for twenty minutes before we went out there. They should have been last. They really should have. If we would’ve been earlier on that card, I think it would have been better for us. But I think, like I was saying, those fans, god love them, but that’s a lot of wrestling. And they’ve already been winded by watching these big match ups with Shawn Michaels kicking out of tombstone piledrivers and Undertaker kicking out of superkicks. And then, what a finish. And now they’re like, well we’ve seen our main event. And now when me and Triple H go out there, and we’re not doing five RKO’s or five pedigrees and kicking out of them. It’s not the same."

On how having a family has changed him in his career: "Big time. The responsibility factor. Really getting married, settling down, and having a kid; that was the biggest thing for me. I realized, this little girl that came into my life, that I created with my wife, and how special is that? I wanted a little girl so bad too. The whole daddy’s little girl thing was intriguing to me. And I got that relationship with her now. So it’s really been cool, but it’s taken me back and I realize my decisions affect her. So you gotta think before you act."

On being a multi-generation star, is it a blessing or a curse: "Yes and no. I think it might depend on who your old man was too? Mine is a hall of famer. So is Cody’s, so is Ted’s, so is Curtis’s. I wanna say Michael McGillicutty, but that’s blasphemy, that’s awful. Yeah I’m happy for him by the way; he got the Curtis Axel moniker, in respect of his father, and his grandfather, Larry the Axe. That’s cool. So I’m happy for him, that was a long time coming. But yeah, I don’t think Curtis Axel, his father being Mr. Perfect, hurts him. I think it helps him. Immediately, you know who he is. Even if you don’t know who he is, you know where he came from. And you know you loved where he came from. You remember his dad if you are any kind of wrestling fan. So you’re gonna wanna be interested in what this kid has to offer. Whether or not he is able to provide the entertainment factor is another story. That’s up to him."

On if the next “class” of WWE superstars along the same caliber of his 2001-2002 class: "I could say yes, I could say yes it is. The class that I was in with Lesnar and those guys, there’s no Lesnars or Batistas walking around there right now. Big E, he’s a strong dude. Ryback’s a strong dude. But if you put Batista next to those guys, he was 6’6, 320 lbs. Those guys are pushing 6’1-6’2. But Batista was wide. He was a big old dude. Those guys could beat him in a bench press contest but I’d rather look like Dave. If I was gonna intimidate somebody? Give me the Batista build, any day."


Damn good interview!!
 
That was a good interview and it makes clear that Vince has a very weird idea of what HE thinks fans want to see. Majority of fans don't like the whole constant smiling thing. I remember when Lesner came back and all Cena did was smile the whole time and i'm thinking why are you smiling? and why the goofy smile at that?

I guess Vince doesn't remember than when he first turned Orton face it ended up failing because all he did was smile and fans didn't buy into him. Orton has that Austin thing where he's a better face when he's still kinda doing the heel gimmick. Orton has to stand up and say no thank you Vince. Hell more guys, wrestlers and writings need to stand up for the product and say what the hell are we doing..it's the early 90's again with the bad gimmicks and sadly there's no WCW coming to make competition real again.

Orton seems like the kind of dude who speaks his mind enough to make a difference but he's also one strike away from main eventing a TNA ppv against Sting
 
RANDY ORTON DISCUSSES CENA PROMOS THAT MAKE YOU 'WANT TO KILL YOURSELF', HIS PLACE ON THE ROSTER, WORKING BABYFACE, THE INSANE RAW CROWD AFTER WRESTLEMANIA, WHAT HE WANTED TO DO THAT NIGHT AND MUCH, MUCH MOREby Mike Ryker @ 6:00 PM on 6/5/2013


WWE Superstar Randy Orton joined Busted Open with Dave Lagreca and Doug Mortman. You can hear Busted Open on Sirius 92, XM 208 and on the app on Sports Zone.

On teaming with Team Hell No and on Daniel Bryan’s presence right now in the WWE: "Yeah he can do some stuff, can’t he? When he blows that comeback, as we say, he gets the people going. You know, he’s got a little, he goes crazy with the Ultimate Warrior thing, it’s like he is always morphing into like Bryan Hogan, instead of Bryan Daniel-or Daniel Bryan, or whatever his name is now. I remember, one time my dad, like I just had a match and I came home and I’m talking about how Bryan Danielson, you know hit me in the back of the head with a title, and I feel like I got a concussion. And my dad the next day was like, “you know I was really worried about you cause you kept calling him Bryan Danielson.” And I’m like, well that was his name, that’s how we know him, I call him that. The WWE likes to change things up, don’t they?"

On how gimmicks or catchphrases happen, do they just catch on randomly or planned: "It’s one of those things where they’re trying, there is a creative team and you know I’m my own brand so I’m always thinking. A lot of the time, things like that come out of nowhere. Like you just stumble on to something. Hasn’t really happened with me, but you’ll see it happen. I’m not the stick guy. I can’t go out there like John Cena and cut a babyface promo that makes you want to kill yourself five minutes in, as good as he can. You know what I mean? No offense, John. Obviously he’s very successful so, I don’t know what I am talking about."

Randy tells a funny John Cena story: "I tagged with him, last week or the week before, on a Raw Supershow, or a live event Supershow, both rosters were there. And we’re out there in the ring. And it’s me, Cena, and somebody. Maybe Kofi or Sheamus, against Big Show, Mark Henry, and somebody else, I forget. And Cena says, “Can you do a dropkick tonight?” And I go, uhh, yeah. Can you? And he goes; and we’re in the ring! Like, we’re about to—the bells about to ring. And he’s starting, and he goes, “Alright, I’m gonna tag you in in a second. Let’s do a double drop kick.” Now I’m thinking in my head, “This motherf**cker don’t need to be doing no dropkicks.” That’s what I’m thinking. So he tags me in, ducks a punch from Show, Show turns around. Before I can even step through the ropes, Cena is up in the air dropkicking Show. And I’m like, looking at him, I thought you said a double dropkick? So, next time he calls anything, I’m gonna think twice. Because I ended up jumping up in the air, while Shows already on the ground, and just landing on my head. So it was a double dropkick where he (Cena) went and I then I slip- Oh-Oh-I tried to get—nope. So everyone in the back, I come back and they were like, (clapping) “Great dropkick.” I watched it back, and it looks like I just jumped up in the air as high as I can and then land. Nothing happened; I just jumped up and fell. It was brutal. Thank you, John Cena."

On John Cena’s Five Moves of Doom: "No. Hold on. I only got about four moves. (this was funny to me-UD)So don’t throw stones, now. But yeah. He shouldn’t be doing dropkicks. Nah, I tell him all the time actually. But, dammit. He tries."

On since coming back he seems to be enjoying himself more in the babyface position: "Yeah. It’s always fun when the crowd reacts like that. And you know what? We will be in some country over in Europe sometimes, and they’re not like that at all. But you gotta just, each crowd is different. And you gotta know that. You can do the same exact thing, or have the same finish in one town, that’s over huge. And the next town, it’s like a fart in church."

On the crowd at Raw the night after Wrestlemania 29: "Oh Yeah! I had to just—I didn’t know what to do. I wanted to be part of the wave. I thought; should I do the wave with them? Like what—cause they obviously were crapping all over us. Not on purpose. But they weren’t like. We were in the ring, beating the crap out of each other, and they were doing the wave. So it was like, it’s the European, it’s the whole multicultural fan base from all over the world that had been at Wrestlemania, and stayed there the weekend, and got tickets to Raw. So you got a lot of different kinds of people out there. And that European crowd, they do that. They’re loud, they’re singing, they’re drunk, they’re fighting, they’re brawling. That soccer crowd over there? The football crowd? And that’s what it was. That’s what they were doing. And I knew that, you know. Cause we wrestle in Europe all the time. But yeah, it was definitely—I had to just kind of sit back and what is going on?"

On if the Wrestlemania crowds are consistent: "You know, you can’t. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. It just depends. Like the first year that Rock hosted Wrestlemania, not when he worked Cena, but when he hosted Wrestlemania? It’s almost like it didn’t have the appeal when it happened. You never know what you are going to get. You never know if—these three hour Raws? That’s a lot of wrestling. And they’ve already been there for an hour, they got there early, got their t-shirt, got their concession, sat down, watched the dark match. You know that’s a lot of wrestling. Our fans, they’re die-hard fans. And they’ll sit there through it, man. And they’ll sit through the stuff they might not want to see, to see their guy. But you can guaran-damn-tee the WWE Universe is there for us. And that’s cool. And before as a heel, I never really cared about the fans. But now as a babyface, I see more than ever how important they are."

On how he feels on being a heel vs. a babyface: "Well the more over I can get as a babyface, when I turn, the bigger the heel I’ll be. So if they wanna keep me a babyface, I’ll just keep doing my thing. And keep my five or six or four, whatever it is, moves. Keep them crisp and see what happens. But right now, being the good guy, it’s cool. Because they’re digging it."

On being in an odd spot, all over placement wise, is it frustrating: "It could be frustrating, but I just don’t let it be. There was a time in my career where I would let it get me frustrated, but now it’s like I get paid well to do what I love. They tell me to do this, they tell me to jump, I’ll jump. And I’m gonna jump as high as I can because I know that all my fans out there, all those 2.5 million people that follow me on Twitter, they want to see me give a hundred and ten percent. So I’m gonna do what WWE tells me to do out there, I’m gonna work with who they want me to work with. I’ll give my suggestions when I feel they might be used wisely but I’m just gonna give it my all. And that’s kind of the unspoken motto backstage. Just give it a hundred and ten percent. And our guys do."

On being not the typical babyface: "Maybe? I think the face thing works for me because I tried the best I could when I was turning to keep some of those heel characteristics. And I think I did. But then there was a point where they were really big on me smiling when I came out to the ring. I swear, I shit you not. I’m sitting there, and my music plays, and then I hear someone calling my name. And I look over, it’s Vince. And he takes his headset off and he stands up and he goes “SMILE!” (:smh:-UD)And I’m like, okay. I’m thinking in my head, a year ago, a little nine-year-old girl in the front row, if I gave her the right kind of look or expression and walked towards her. Still 20 feet away from her, but if she was ring side, I could get her to cry, or get behind her mom. They were scared of me. I had like this Undertaker type, weird aura. They didn’t know what I was. They knew I was capable of doing anything. They didn’t know what they were going to get from me. I’m kicking people in the head. I’m kissing Stephanie McMahon and nailing Triple H with the sledgehammer. It was a good time."

On Triple H/ McMahon family feud, Wrestlemania match being underrated: "The buildup was great. The match suffered because Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker kicked out of each other’s finishers for twenty minutes before we went out there. They should have been last. They really should have. If we would’ve been earlier on that card, I think it would have been better for us. But I think, like I was saying, those fans, god love them, but that’s a lot of wrestling. And they’ve already been winded by watching these big match ups with Shawn Michaels kicking out of tombstone piledrivers and Undertaker kicking out of superkicks. And then, what a finish. And now they’re like, well we’ve seen our main event. And now when me and Triple H go out there, and we’re not doing five RKO’s or five pedigrees and kicking out of them. It’s not the same."

On how having a family has changed him in his career: "Big time. The responsibility factor. Really getting married, settling down, and having a kid; that was the biggest thing for me. I realized, this little girl that came into my life, that I created with my wife, and how special is that? I wanted a little girl so bad too. The whole daddy’s little girl thing was intriguing to me. And I got that relationship with her now. So it’s really been cool, but it’s taken me back and I realize my decisions affect her. So you gotta think before you act."

On being a multi-generation star, is it a blessing or a curse: "Yes and no. I think it might depend on who your old man was too? Mine is a hall of famer. So is Cody’s, so is Ted’s, so is Curtis’s. I wanna say Michael McGillicutty, but that’s blasphemy, that’s awful. Yeah I’m happy for him by the way; he got the Curtis Axel moniker, in respect of his father, and his grandfather, Larry the Axe. That’s cool. So I’m happy for him, that was a long time coming. But yeah, I don’t think Curtis Axel, his father being Mr. Perfect, hurts him. I think it helps him. Immediately, you know who he is. Even if you don’t know who he is, you know where he came from. And you know you loved where he came from. You remember his dad if you are any kind of wrestling fan. So you’re gonna wanna be interested in what this kid has to offer. Whether or not he is able to provide the entertainment factor is another story. That’s up to him."

On if the next “class” of WWE superstars along the same caliber of his 2001-2002 class: "I could say yes, I could say yes it is. The class that I was in with Lesnar and those guys, there’s no Lesnars or Batistas walking around there right now. Big E, he’s a strong dude. Ryback’s a strong dude. But if you put Batista next to those guys, he was 6’6, 320 lbs. Those guys are pushing 6’1-6’2. But Batista was wide. He was a big old dude. Those guys could beat him in a bench press contest but I’d rather look like Dave. If I was gonna intimidate somebody? Give me the Batista build, any day."

surprised they didnt bring up orton's way of getting back at ppl he didnt like(by shitting in their gym bags :smh::puke::lol: )
 
That was a good interview and it makes clear that Vince has a very weird idea of what HE thinks fans want to see. Majority of fans don't like the whole constant smiling thing. I remember when Lesner came back and all Cena did was smile the whole time and i'm thinking why are you smiling? and why the goofy smile at that?

I guess Vince doesn't remember than when he first turned Orton face it ended up failing because all he did was smile and fans didn't buy into him. Orton has that Austin thing where he's a better face when he's still kinda doing the heel gimmick. Orton has to stand up and say no thank you Vince. Hell more guys, wrestlers and writings need to stand up for the product and say what the hell are we doing..it's the early 90's again with the bad gimmicks and sadly there's no WCW coming to make competition real again.

Orton seems like the kind of dude who speaks his mind enough to make a difference but he's also one strike away from main eventing a TNA ppv against Sting

:lol::lol::lol::yes::yes::yes:
 
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