THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[kanedagame]

Reid Flair, the youngest son of WWE Hall of Famer Ric Flair, has passed away, PWInsider.com has sadly confirmed. He was only 24 years old.
Reid was found this morning in Charlotte, North Carolina. He had just returned from working for All Japan.

Reid was seen in the latter days of WCW, where both he and his father had heads shaved as part of an angle where Ric feuded with Vince Russo. Reid later began training as a pro wrestler under Bobby Eaton and George South, but personal issues, including a heroin arrest, sidetracked what was expected to be instant stardom for Reid, who had an excellent amateur pedigree.

At one point, he was slated to debut with Ring of Honor when the promotion was owned by Cary Silkin, but the arrest caused ROH to back off on those plans. That led to the beginning of the end of their relationship with Ric Flair.

Since then, there had been talk of Reid going to WWE developmental and the company had taken a look at him, but didn't sign him to a contract. He had been working in All Japan and was slated to make appearances with Ric this weekend in Maryland.

Our deepest condolences to the Flair family during what can only be described as a tragic, sad day.

 

[Alphachino]

It looks like Y2J will be taking another hiatus.
Orton is much better as a heel and he has 2 strikes so the company can only push him so much.
HHH is only a part timer. And if Cena cheats to beat Rock how exactly is he screwing the company over? Rock is a part timer who only showed up maybe half of the time during the Road to Wrestlemania.
Rock is a part timer and him and Cena don't like each other so it doesn't matter what Cena's status is he's automatically the heel.
Sheamus is Cena lite and too jokey
Bryan is comedic right now and would have to transition
I could see Ryback and Cena feuding but considering that Cena voluntarily passed up a title shot so that Ryback could have it that wouldn't make sense either. And Ryback's promo work and ring work needs improvement. Cena is at his best being led thru a match not being the leader.

I've heard that they're thinking of turning Kofi. Even with that ladder match it was years before Jeff Hardy was a legit main eventer. I could see Punk working with Kofi but it seems like the company doesn't want to push him and he'd have to completely adjust his style to being a heel.

Nah brotha Orton has 2 strikes the YOU KNOW OF. The nigga should've been canned but he's got "it" you can't replace that. And he moves merchandise.

Bryan can be serious in a heartbeat, as evident with his run with Punk last year. He's Benoit light, and he's over with the fans, plus the whole team hell no this is stale now.

I see so much of Jeff in Kofi and he really could be a main eventer if they tried.

You are doubting how over Sheamus is as well.

 

[c_commander]

Nah brotha Orton has 2 strikes the YOU KNOW OF. The nigga should've been canned but he's got "it" you can't replace that. And he moves merchandise.

Bryan can be serious in a heartbeat, as evident with his run with Punk last year. He's Benoit light, and he's over with the fans, plus the whole team hell no this is stale now.

I see so much of Jeff in Kofi and he really could be a main eventer if they tried.

You are doubting how over Sheamus is as well.

Actually I've heard a few people state that as it concerns the Wellness Policy the testing and results are done independently of the WWE. So if you fail you fail. If it was that simple Orton wouldn't have gotten to 2 strikes to begin with neither would Rey who moves a ton of merchandise.

Sheamus is over maybe more than I give him credit for and he can wrestle but his character for the most part is just like Cena's.

Bryan was a heel during his run with Punk last year and pissed off at losing the belt. That all occurred before this run with Kane that has been highly comedic.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

After hearing Cena go on about how he had Rock beat, it sounds like they are turning him. I just don't see him winning clean? What do ya'll think?

i still think something will happen that will have ziggler come up out of nowhere and cash in the briefcase since he still has it

 

[THE DRIZZY]

If they make Kofi a heel I hope he gets an African dictator type gimmick and use submission holds more. A high flying heel does not always work but a submission style would make Kofi credible as a heel.

 

[Rocky Miavia]

Taker can barely move, he isn't fighting Lesnar's stiff ass. Lesnar would prolly snap his neck by mistake.

Or on purpose. They don't like each other for real. I still remember that stare down in the audience at a UFC fight Brock had.

 

[theegokiller]

I would love for the Rock/Cena to go one of two ways. I would really like to see Cena lose at Mania by Cena getting disqualified. The next night on RAW, he comes out and apologizes to the fans for letting them down. He calls out Rock to apologize man-to-man. Rock comes out and Cena starts kissing his butt about how much he respects him and if the Rock could give him a rematch at the next pay per view. The Rock says let's fight tonight for the fans. They fight and Cena somehow cheats again to win. He turns on the fans saying that he came out every night and gave his all to the WWE Universe, and they didn't appreciate it. They would have to move Punk to Smackdown though.

The other way is to just have Cena lose clean at Mania, and then win on RAW the next night since the Rock is leaving to film another movie.

I honestly think they are going to have Cena beat Rock, then Ziggler cashes in, and beat him for the belt.

 

[0utsyder]

I would love for the Rock/Cena to go one of two ways. I would really like to see Cena lose at Mania by Cena getting disqualified. The next night on RAW, he comes out and apologizes to the fans for letting them down. He calls out Rock to apologize man-to-man. Rock comes out and Cena starts kissing his butt about how much he respects him and if the Rock could give him a rematch at the next pay per view. The Rock says let's fight tonight for the fans. They fight and Cena somehow cheats again to win. He turns on the fans saying that he came out every night and gave his all to the WWE Universe, and they didn't appreciate it. They would have to move Punk to Smackdown though.

The other way is to just have Cena lose clean at Mania, and then win on RAW the next night since the Rock is leaving to film another movie.

I honestly think they are going to have Cena beat Rock, then Ziggler cashes in, and beat him for the belt.

Ziggler has the contract for the World Title that ADR has he wouldn't be able to go after the Rocks belt

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[ThaBurgerPimp]

If they make Kofi a heel I hope he gets an African dictator type gimmick and use submission holds more. A high flying heel does not always work but a submission style would make Kofi credible as a heel.

theyll probably do like Booker T and turn him into"King Kofi" and have him get pissed off whenever someone "mispronounces" it i.e King Koffee,etc

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I'm more curious about Punk/Taker. Are they going to boost Punk to that level by him beating the Undertaker or will they carry on the streak and have Taker face Lesnar next year..?

That's what they should do but I'll believe it when I see it.

Well that's just the rumor that I've heard. I would rather Punk end the streak and just became even more the ultimate heel. But I'm not sure who he could feud with afterwards. Orton? Del Rio? Sheamus?

He could definitely work with Del Rio, Sheamus, and Ryback. Orton, maybe but with 2 strikes, he'll probably never get another long run.

Or on purpose. They don't like each other for real. I still remember that stare down in the audience at a UFC fight Brock had.

They've gotten over all that and get along pretty well. That staredown was them working, trying to shoot their own angle. Brock knew his UFC days were numbered and was getting ahead of the game.

Actually I've heard a few people state that as it concerns the Wellness Policy the testing and results are done independently of the WWE. So if you fail you fail. If it was that simple Orton wouldn't have gotten to 2 strikes to begin with neither would Rey who moves a ton of merchandise.

It's legit now.

Sheamus is over maybe more than I give him credit for and he can wrestle but his character for the most part is just like Cena's.

I like Sheamus' work but his run as a face has been boring as shit. But when the bell rings, he can have good matches with anybody. They should probably turn him back heel or stop making him a bad Irish Cena imitation.

Bryan was a heel during his run with Punk last year and pissed off at losing the belt. That all occurred before this run with Kane that has been highly comedic.

I can see Bryan getting another short run as World or WWE champ but he's never going to be on the Cena/Punk level.

 

[dirtyd]

According to sources, tension had been building between the underneath talent and Haas for a long period of time. A lot of the underneath talent considered Haas a bully. The problem was said to have been Haas, who is used to the WWE style of doing things backstage where there’s a pecking order as opposed to the ROH way of doing things where all the guys help and motivate each other, trying to bring that WWE philosophy to the ROH locker room.

Saturday in N.C., Haas was said to have not been himself and he appeared to be intoxicated backstage.

The story is that Haas and Redwood had gotten into an argument several weeks ago. They then got into a backstage argument during intermission on Saturday and ROH booker Hunter Johnson (Delirious) yelled at both guys and Haas went crazy. Kevin Kelly tried to calm things down, but indications are that Haas turned on him as well. Management did not want Haas to wrestle, but they felt they could not stop him from going to the ring.

Several people that attended the event live said they could hear the commotion going on backstage right before Haas was set to come out and wrestle Jeff Neal after intermission. Haas came out for his match and announced his retirement. According to sources, management turned off his mic, but Haas could still be heard taking shots at Johnson and Kelly. Haas ended up changing the finish of his match and lost to Neal. Live reports coming out of the event indicated that Haas was crying during the match and appeared to be intoxicated.

After the match, Haas tried to cut another promo, but management refused to give him a mic. Haas then shouted his promo without a mic and announced his match this weekend on ROH’s “Supercard of Honor” iPPV was off and took shots at Kelly and Delirious before leaving the ring.

According to one source, a lot of the wrestlers are disappointed in Haas’s actions. Redwood is a popular figure backstage and it was said to have made Haas look bad for allegedly bullying someone much smaller than him. Another source also noted that Haas was likely fired before going out in front of the fans and making a “retirement speech” in order to save face.

According to Chris Shore of Prowrestling.Net, Haas changed clothes and left the building quickly in an agitated state. Shore also noted the situation was addressed with the locker room after the show was over.

Now as for Raw

Seriously WWE that's the show they used as the go home for Mania Cena's segment was great just because of the reactions he got, but Rock get put in a bs segment & Taker/Punk close the show with a boring promo. I felt like Rock/Cena should've closed the show with a staredown or brawl but the wwe completely missed on this one.

 

[Alphachino]

Now as for Raw

Seriously WWE that's the show they used as the go home for Mania Cena's segment was great just because of the reactions he got, but Rock get put in a bs segment & Taker/Punk close the show with a boring promo. I felt like Rock/Cena should've closed the show with a staredown or brawl but the wwe completely missed on this one.

Just got back from Raw, it was pretty good, I got to see a few guys I never saw in person (Rock, HBK)

Highlight of the night was seeing Naomi and Cams asses in real life, OMG DEM BITCHES IS PHAT!! Phone died after I taped a few entrances, had I known I'd see them asses I would've turned GPS off.

Not much was different in person than what yall prolly saw on TV, except the Shield fought Cena, Ryback, and Sheamus in a match. Shield lost by DQ seth rollins hit Cena in the back with a chair. All three of the faces hit their moves to send us home happy. Thought my son was gonna go ballistic when Shemaus rubbed his head and Cena signed his shirt. Once again I stand by my views on dude, he's a classy mother fucker.

 

[dirtyd]

Just got back from Raw, it was pretty good, I got to see a few guys I never saw in person (Rock, HBK)

Highlight of the night was seeing Naomi and Cams asses in real life, OMG DEM BITCHES IS PHAT!! Phone died after I taped a few entrances, had I known I'd see them asses I would've turned GPS off.

Not much was different in person than what yall prolly saw on TV, except the Shield fought Cena, Ryback, and Sheamus in a match. Shield lost by DQ seth rollins hit Cena in the back with a chair. All three of the faces hit their moves to send us home happy. Thought my son was gonna go ballistic when Shemaus rubbed his head and Cena signed his shirt. Once again I stand by my views on dude, he's a classy mother fucker.

Too bad his former co-workers say the exact opposite.

 

[RiverCity]

Highlight of the night was seeing Naomi and Cams asses in real life, OMG DEM BITCHES IS PHAT!! Phone died after I taped a few entrances, had I known I'd see them asses I would've turned GPS off.

 

[Alphachino]

That's what they should do but I'll believe it when I see it.



He could definitely work with Del Rio, Sheamus, and Ryback. Orton, maybe but with 2 strikes, he'll probably never get another long run.



They've gotten over all that and get along pretty well. That staredown was them working, trying to shoot their own angle. Brock knew his UFC days were numbered and was getting ahead of the game.


It's legit now.




I like Sheamus' work but his run as a face has been boring as shit. But when the bell rings, he can have good matches with anybody. They should probably turn him back heel or stop making him a bad Irish Cena imitation.



I can see Bryan getting another short run as World or WWE champ but he's never going to be on the Cena/Punk level.

Too bad his former co-workers say the exact opposite.

Honestly I have no knowledge of him outside of what I see, and dudes a hard worker and does so much charity work and shit for kids I can't help but root for the guy. Backstage stuff aside, I really can't follow that gossip

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Just got back from Raw, it was pretty good, I got to see a few guys I never saw in person (Rock, HBK)

Highlight of the night was seeing Naomi and Cams asses in real life, OMG DEM BITCHES IS PHAT!! Phone died after I taped a few entrances, had I known I'd see them asses I would've turned GPS off.

Not much was different in person than what yall prolly saw on TV, except the Shield fought Cena, Ryback, and Sheamus in a match. Shield lost by DQ seth rollins hit Cena in the back with a chair. All three of the faces hit their moves to send us home happy. Thought my son was gonna go ballistic when Shemaus rubbed his head and Cena signed his shirt. Once again I stand by my views on dude, he's a classy mother fucker.

I've never said any different, at least as far as fans are concerned.
I say and the evidence is so overwhelming, it's not even an argument, that Cena is booked and produced poorly and lacks a certain understanding and self awareness to improve on his own. But even that I put on management for not correcting him when he drops one of his goofy, pointless promos or smiling when he needs to be deadly serious.
The only reason I don't put more of that on Cena is because that's how Vince has always booked his "superhuman" babyfaces. No one ever told the Warrior to make sense or Hogan to say something different.

Honestly I have no knowledge of him outside of what I see, and dudes a hard worker and does so much charity work and shit for kids I can't help but root for the guy. Backstage stuff aside, I really can't follow that gossip

What did I say to get quoted this time?
I don't pass any judgement on him based on gossip or backstage stuff, just on what he does in the ring.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

There are at least 2 iPPVs this weekend and both of them (plus a TNA house show in Westbury, NY) look like better cards than WM.

First from Ring of Honor's Supercard of Honor

Ring of Honor presents their Supercard of Honor 2013 iPPV at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC this Friday. This event is SOLD OUT, but can be ordered via iPPV at www.rohwrestling.com.
A Wrestlemania weekend tradition, Supercard of Honor will feature:

*ROH champion Kevin Steen vs. Jay Briscoe.

*ROH Tag Team champions Kyle O'Reilly & Bobby Fish vs. The American Wolves.

*Jay Lethal vs. Michael Elgin for future ROH title shot.

*ACH & Tadarius Thomas vs "God's Gift" Qt Marshall & A Mystery Partner

*ROH TV champ Matt Taven vs. Matt Hardy vs. Adam Cole.

*Roderick Strong vs. Karl Anderson.

*SCUM vs. ROH Ten Man Tag: Steve Corino & Rhino & Jimmy Jacobs & Jimmy Rave & Cliff Compton vs. BJ Whitmer, Makr Briscoe, Mike Mondo, Caprice Coleman & Cedric Alexander



And from PWS

With Extreme Rising having canceled their live events this weekend, Pro Wrestling Syndicate has added Sabu to their Friday 4/5 event in Metuchen, NJ at Sportsplex.

Each of this weekend's PWS events will be available via iPPV through http://www.highspots.com. Each show is available for $9.99.

Scheduled for the PWS events:

Thursday 4/4 Supercard 2013 Night One iPPV from Sportsplex in Metuchen NJ:

*Big Van Vader as Guest Commissioner
*The Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkoff appearing together for the last time.
*Superstar Graham to appear.
*PWS champion Kevin Matthews vs. Colt Cabana
*PWS Tri-State champ Alex Reynolds vs. Starman
*John Morrison vs "The Pope" Elijah Burke
*PWS Tag Team champs The Phat Pack vs. Black Hollywood vs. South Side Playaz Club with Shelly Martinez & Amber O'Neal vs. D-Struction & Seduction
*Rock N Roll Express vs. The Briscoes
*Trent Barreta vs. Sonjay Dutt
*Dan Maff vs. Kevin Steen
*Davey Richards vs. Anthony Nese
*Hardcore Scramble: Apollyon vs. Devon Moore vs. Lucifer Darksyde vs. Necro Butcher vs. New Jack vs. The Sheik vs. Tommy Dreamer
*??? vs. Simon Dean
30 Man Rumble.

Lot of great and unique matches on that one but I'm fascinated by the Rock N Roll Express vs the Briscoes.

From TNA

TNA's One Night Only X-Travaganza PPV will debut this Friday on PPV, featuring:
*X Division X-scape match: Christian York vs. Jimmy Rave vs. Matt Bentley vs. Puma (TJ Perkins) vs. Lince Dorado vs. Alex Silva vs. Sam Shaw .

*Douglas Williams & Kid Kash vs. Anthony Nese & Rashad Cameron (Blk Jeez).

*Chavo Guerrero Jr. vs. Robbie E (with Joseph Park as a special guest referee)

*Ultimate X match: Kenny King vs. Zema Ion vs. Rubix (Jigsaw) vs. Mason Andrews (Scorpio Sky)

*Christopher Daniels & Kazarian vs. Petey Williams & Sonjay Dutt.

*No DQ match and Lynn's final TNA match: Jerry Lynn vs. Rob Van Dam

*Austin Aries vs. Samoa Joe.

Might be the best show of them all.

 

[dirtyd]

I've never said any different, at least as far as fans are concerned.
I say and the evidence is so overwhelming, it's not even an argument, that Cena is booked and produced poorly and lacks a certain understanding and self awareness to improve on his own. But even that I put on management for not correcting him when he drops one of his goofy, pointless promos or smiling when he needs to be deadly serious.
The only reason I don't put more of that on Cena is because that's how Vince has always booked his "superhuman" babyfaces. No one ever told the Warrior to make sense or Hogan to say something different.

But SCSA, HHH, Rock, Punk & Jericho had an understanding of the crowd and knew how to change up or follow a story. Cena to me still comes off as a fan who got into wrestling instead of a fan who was meant to be a wrestler. The booking is shit but that's why you need guys who understand the business working with creative so they can improve.

What did I say to get quoted this time?
I don't pass any judgement on him based on gossip or backstage stuff, just on what he does in the ring.

He's quoting me because i brought up how some former co-workers (Reks Doane Tarver etc) have some not so nice things to say about Cena.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

But SCSA, HHH, Rock, Punk & Jericho had an understanding of the crowd and knew how to change up or follow a story. Cena to me still comes off as a fan who got into wrestling instead of a fan who was meant to be a wrestler. The booking is shit but that's why you need guys who understand the business working with creative so they can improve.

I'm not so sure that a fair comparison because most of them either were absolute politcal guys who actively shut other guys down or had far superior creative behind them.
Jericho has incredible talent but going into WM against HHH, he looked like shit. Same with Punk until his Summer of Punk redo in WWE.
Rock is three years into his return and is only just now figuring out that he can't keep doing the same schtick he used a decade ago.
WWE is a such a different animal that no matter how good you are, if they don't book you or produce you right, you can't live up to your potential and Cena is one of the guys who's victim to that. He plays his part of course but, like a child, if no one says he's wrong, he's going to keep doing it.

He's quoting me because i brought up how some former co-workers (Reks Doane Tarver etc) have some not so nice things to say about Cena.

I understood quoting you but my quote didn't fit. Maybe he had a separate response and forgot.

I just heard an interview with Doane and he's not backing down on his Cena criticism but he's saying a lot of what I've been saying that it's more the environment and atmosphere backstage than it is things Cena is actively doing.
Yeah Cena uses his stroke backstage but often it's the office doing stupid stuff and penalizing guys who might cross him (Alex Riley will have some good shit to tell when he gets his release).

 

[Upgrade Dave]

That PWS iPPV just got an upgrade in a major way

JUSHIN LIGER ADDED TO THURSDAY'S PWS EVENT IN NEW JERSEY
by Mike Johnson @ 9:16 AM on 4/2/2013

With Extreme Rising having canceled their live events this weekend, Japanese legend Jushin Liger has been added to Thursday's Pro Wrestling Syndicate event in Metuchen, NJ in a three-way bout against former ROH champion Davey Richards and former TNA X-Division star Anthony Nese.

Damn. I'm not a big fan of three man matches but that one might be sick.

 

[Alphachino]

I'm not so sure that a fair comparison because most of them either were absolute politcal guys who actively shut other guys down or had far superior creative behind them.
Jericho has incredible talent but going into WM against HHH, he looked like shit. Same with Punk until his Summer of Punk redo in WWE.
Rock is three years into his return and is only just now figuring out that he can't keep doing the same schtick he used a decade ago.
WWE is a such a different animal that no matter how good you are, if they don't book you or produce you right, you can't live up to your potential and Cena is one of the guys who's victim to that. He plays his part of course but, like a child, if no one says he's wrong, he's going to keep doing it.






I understood quoting you but my quote didn't fit. Maybe he had a separate response and forgot.

I just heard an interview with Doane and he's not backing down on his Cena criticism but he's saying a lot of what I've been saying that it's more the environment and atmosphere backstage than it is things Cena is actively doing.
Yeah Cena uses his stroke backstage but often it's the office doing stupid stuff and penalizing guys who might cross him (Alex Riley will have some good shit to tell when he gets his release).

my phone quoted the entire post.

But I was saying that I really can't get into the whole backstage politics junk because all the top stars always seem to get that label. Austin, HBK, Taker, Bret, HHH, Cena the list could go for days. And its always some midcarder who just got shitcanned who was barely any good, or some diva who got tossed for being a slut. All im saying is if I don't know both sides then. Can't comment. I completely get what you are saying tho Cena gets booked as superman its pretty apparent. By as someone said that'd just how Vince books his faces (rock, Austin, hogan, taker, etc) so I cant knock Cena for capitalizing and making bank.

Like I said before it took me a minute to get used to the new PG Cena but he's grew on me. The man has his faults but I can guarantee that he will show up Sunday.

 

[dirtyd]

I'm not so sure that a fair comparison because most of them either were absolute politcal guys who actively shut other guys down or had far superior creative behind them.
Jericho has incredible talent but going into WM against HHH, he looked like shit. Same with Punk until his Summer of Punk redo in WWE.
Rock is three years into his return and is only just now figuring out that he can't keep doing the same schtick he used a decade ago.
WWE is a such a different animal that no matter how good you are, if they don't book you or produce you right, you can't live up to your potential and Cena is one of the guys who's victim to that. He plays his part of course but, like a child, if no one says he's wrong, he's going to keep doing it.

Please don't use that word because every Punk fan wears it out But Rock's problem is that he's not doing the same stuff he used to, i've heard/read plenty of fans say it feels more like Dwayne playing "The Rock".

As for Cena playing the part and not changing that speaks to my point, all the guys i mentioned knew when to change up or just tweak there character a little to make it more fresh.

I understood quoting you but my quote didn't fit. Maybe he had a separate response and forgot.

I just heard an interview with Doane and he's not backing down on his Cena criticism but he's saying a lot of what I've been saying that it's more the environment and atmosphere backstage than it is things Cena is actively doing.
Yeah Cena uses his stroke backstage but often it's the office doing stupid stuff and penalizing guys who might cross him (Alex Riley will have some good shit to tell when he gets his release).

My thing is don't let the office punish a guy because he crossed you, just be a man and handle that shit f2f.

But I was saying that I really can't get into the whole backstage politics junk because all the top stars always seem to get that label. Austin, HBK, Taker, Bret, HHH, Cena the list could go for days. And its always some midcarder who just got shitcanned who was barely any good, or some diva who got tossed for being a slut. All im saying is if I don't know both sides then. Can't comment. I completely get what you are saying tho Cena gets booked as superman its pretty apparent. By as someone said that'd just how Vince books his faces (rock, Austin, hogan, taker, etc) so I cant knock Cena for capitalizing and making bank.

Like I said before it took me a minute to get used to the new PG Cena but he's grew on me. The man has his faults but I can guarantee that he will show up Sunday.

Rock was one of the weakest super faces ever and i never understood why he let himself get booked that way. Rock is known for not having an ego and willing to put people over, but he lost to HHH way too many times and it never made sense to me.

It's easy to dismiss claims by former employees as being jealous or disgruntled, but Tyler Reks left on his own accord and seems at peace with his decision. At the end of the day they need to step up and demand change because Vince can't fire everybody.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I actually thought it was a solid RAW to be honest....but I don't watch Raw like you guys. I watch it on theDVR and fast foward threw the bullshit. I'd probably feel different watching it live...

Naomi and Cameron....damn.....i'm actually shocked at Cameron's progression in the ring. Not saying she's all-world but I thought she'd never get in a ring after watching Tough Enough. Good for him. Shit man they already wrestle better then them Bella's who IMO had a solid diva's match....

 

[Alphachino]

Please don't use that word because every Punk fan wears it out But Rock's problem is that he's not doing the same stuff he used to, i've heard/read plenty of fans say it feels more like Dwayne playing "The Rock".

As for Cena playing the part and not changing that speaks to my point, all the guys i mentioned knew when to change up or just tweak there character a little to make it more fresh.





My thing is don't let the office punish a guy because he crossed you, just be a man and handle that shit f2f.




Rock was one of the weakest super faces ever and i never understood why he let himself get booked that way. Rock is known for not having an ego and willing to put people over, but he lost to HHH way too many times and it never made sense to me.

It's easy to dismiss claims by former employees as being jealous or disgruntled, but Tyler Reks left on his own accord and seems at peace with his decision. At the end of the day they need to step up and demand change because Vince can't fire everybody.

I feel you, but doesn't it strike you as odd that every top star is labeled something different backstage? Like you said the rock is a good guy but tthought of as a attentionwhore/traitor who uses WWE to promote movies. all I can say is I saw a different Cena back in his rapper gimmick because dude could and can be a good heel,this is all Vince's doing IMHO. Dudes a company man and his limited skillset imho is Vince telling him to kept it simple to not get hurt. Now don't get me wrong he needs a lot of work but my alltime fave Austin had one of the most limited sets of moves but noone called him on it. Cena needs turn, Austin showed it can be done and still move merchandise. Its not like Cena is getting cheers from everyone anyway.

I actually thought it was a solid RAW to be honest....but I don't watch Raw like you guys. I watch it on theDVR and fast foward threw the bullshit. I'd probably feel different watching it live...

Naomi and Cameron....damn.....i'm actually shocked at Cameron's progression in the ring. Not saying she's all-world but I thought she'd never get in a ring after watching Tough Enough. Good for him. Shit man they already wrestle better then them Bella's who IMO had a solid diva's match....

Yeah the Bella's fucking suck. There's no beating that fact.

 

[dirtyd]

I feel you, but doesn't it strike you as odd that every top star is labeled something different backstage? Like you said the rock is a good guy but tthought of as a attentionwhore/traitor who uses WWE to promote movies. all I can say is I saw a different Cena back in his rapper gimmick because dude could and can be a good heel,this is all Vince's doing IMHO. Dudes a company man and his limited skillset imho is Vince telling him to kept it simple to not get hurt. Now don't get me wrong he needs a lot of work but my alltime fave Austin had one of the most limited sets of moves but noone called him on it. Cena needs turn, Austin showed it can be done and still move merchandise. Its not like Cena is getting cheers from everyone anyway.

The thing is that was 03 when he was a good over the top heel who's goofiness was part of his act, i'm willing to see him try because it's obvious to everyone that he's run his course as a face (boring chants). Cena isn't a great technical wrestler but can pull off a great match when someone else takes the lead, as far as Austin goes he's a perfect example of a wrestler having his move set stripped down. Popularity + Injuries forced him to limit his skill set but before that he was an outstanding wrestler, honestly even with the limited moves he was still able to bring a frenetic pace to his matches with made it more exciting.

I hate the whole heels can't sell excuse that Vince tries to use because we all know that's a bunch a bullshit. The NWO proved that to be false & Triple H had people paying to see him get his ass kicked

 

[Upgrade Dave]

my phone quoted the entire post.

But I was saying that I really can't get into the whole backstage politics junk because all the top stars always seem to get that label. Austin, HBK, Taker, Bret, HHH, Cena the list could go for days. And its always some midcarder who just got shitcanned who was barely any good, or some diva who got tossed for being a slut. All im saying is if I don't know both sides then. Can't comment. I completely get what you are saying tho Cena gets booked as superman its pretty apparent. By as someone said that'd just how Vince books his faces (rock, Austin, hogan, taker, etc) so I cant knock Cena for capitalizing and making bank.

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I disagree. Even though I can think of guys they buried, no one says that about Taker, Bret (who I can't name anyone he buried), or Austin.
I'm with you. You cant go by one guy's opinion or even a couple guys because we don't know the whole story and often, they don't either (like Foley holding a grudge against Flair for years until they talked and Flair filled him in on what was really going on in WCW). But with Cena, he would help his own case if he stepped up and helped more of the guys under him. He has stroke but doesn't use it as much or as well as he can.

Please don't use that word because every Punk fan wears it out But Rock's problem is that he's not doing the same stuff he used to, i've heard/read plenty of fans say it feels more like Dwayne playing "The Rock". (what word? UD)

As for Cena playing the part and not changing that speaks to my point, all the guys i mentioned knew when to change up or just tweak there character a little to make it more fresh.

Yeah but outside a turn, I don't see where Cena can go now without a complete overhaul of the creative staff and the producers.

My thing is don't let the office punish a guy because he crossed you, just be a man and handle that shit f2f.

Rock was one of the weakest super faces ever and i never understood why he let himself get booked that way. Rock is known for not having an ego and willing to put people over, but he lost to HHH way too many times and it never made sense to me.

Yep. Rock had two things going for him: GREAT people booking and his own understanding from growing up in and around the business his whole life.

It's easy to dismiss claims by former employees as being jealous or disgruntled, but Tyler Reks left on his own accord and seems at peace with his decision. At the end of the day they need to step up and demand change because Vince can't fire everybody.

I actually thought it was a solid RAW to be honest....but I don't watch Raw like you guys. I watch it on theDVR and fast foward threw the bullshit. I'd probably feel different watching it live...

Naomi and Cameron....damn.....i'm actually shocked at Cameron's progression in the ring. Not saying she's all-world but I thought she'd never get in a ring after watching Tough Enough. Good for him. Shit man they already wrestle better then them Bella's who IMO had a solid diva's match....

Raw wasn't horrible and had some bright spots (I dvr it a lot some weeks) but some of the shit made no sense, as usual.
Jericho gets Cesaro on Raw but Fandango at Mania?
When Vince loves you, it's awesome but he can just as quickly turn on you and then it's over (Players, Drew).
Cameron is turning out to be quite nice. She's not upper echelon like Natalya but she's serviceable and looks like she's working hard to improve. When this whole Funkadactyl thing is over, she's going to be alright.
Bellas come right back and end up on Mania and poor Kaitlyn (who sucks too) is the Divas champ and she can't even get on the show to job to AJ. Priorities are a mess in that company.

I feel you, but doesn't it strike you as odd that every top star is labeled something different backstage? Like you said the rock is a good guy but tthought of as a attentionwhore/traitor who uses WWE to promote movies. all I can say is I saw a different Cena back in his rapper gimmick because dude could and can be a good heel,this is all Vince's doing IMHO. Dudes a company man and his limited skillset imho is Vince telling him to kept it simple to not get hurt. Now don't get me wrong he needs a lot of work but my alltime fave Austin had one of the most limited sets of moves but noone called him on it. Cena needs turn, Austin showed it can be done and still move merchandise. Its not like Cena is getting cheers from everyone anyway.

Yeah the Bella's fucking suck. There's no beating that fact.

Whoa, potna. Steve Austin was great. He slowed down once the injuries started racking up but Austin could do everything and do it all well. He was not limited.

The thing is that was 03 when he was a good over the top heel who's goofiness was part of his act, i'm willing to see him try because it's obvious to everyone that he's run his course as a face (boring chants). Cena isn't a great technical wrestler but can pull off a great match when someone else takes the lead, as far as Austin goes he's a perfect example of a wrestler having his move set stripped down. Popularity + Injuries forced him to limit his skill set but before that he was an outstanding wrestler, honestly even with the limited moves he was still able to bring a frenetic pace to his matches with made it more exciting.

I hate the whole heels can't sell excuse that Vince tries to use because we all know that's a bunch a bullshit. The NWO proved that to be false & Triple H had people paying to see him get his ass kicked

Crockett used to see Four Horsemen vitamins! Vince is getting old and seems to have forgotten even stuff he's done in his company and everyone is too scared to say dick to him.

 

[Johnny_2_Clips]

Paul Bearer's Sons Comment on Raw Closing Segment

By Steve Carrier on 04/02/2013

Michael Moody, son of the late Paul Bearer, commented on Facebook about the closing segment from Monday's Raw episode which saw CM Punk pouring ashes all over The Undertaker.

"If anyone is wondering, yes WWE did come to us wanting approval for tonight's storyline. The way it was presented to us was ok. Seeing it on screen was a different story. I don't even know what to say."

Michael's brother Daniel also commented saying:

"Totally different."

I mean was it indicated that it was Paul's ashes? I always thought it was suppose to be like his mother's...

 

[Alphachino]

I disagree. Even though I can think of guys they buried, no one says that about Taker, Bret (who I can't name anyone he buried), or Austin.

I read that Austin would pick and choose his opponents despite what Creative said at the time. I read that they wanted Billy Gunn pushed and Austin said no, same with Brock, and that whole Hogan thing that went down when Austin no showed for both those Raws in 2 months. Austin did his fair share of holding niggas back.

Taker didn't really hold people back but he was known to no sell certain wrestlers when he wasn't getting his way.

But like I stated to you, I wasn't there so it could be a fabrication.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Naomi and Cameron....damn.....i'm actually shocked at Cameron's progression in the ring. Not saying she's all-world but I thought she'd never get in a ring after watching Tough Enough. Good for him. Shit man they already wrestle better then them Bella's who IMO had a solid diva's match....

That's actually another positive sign of Cameron and Naomi. They were able to carry those bum Bella bitches to a passable match. (specifically Naomi.)

 

[c_commander]

I read that Austin would pick and choose his opponents despite what Creative said at the time. I read that they wanted Billy Gunn pushed and Austin said no, same with Brock, and that whole Hogan thing that went down when Austin no showed for both those Raws in 2 months. Austin did his fair share of holding niggas back.

Taker didn't really hold people back but he was known to no sell certain wrestlers when he wasn't getting his way.

But like I stated to you, I wasn't there so it could be a fabrication.

The only names that I've heard in relation to Austin were Marc Mero who Austin refused to wrestle because a week before on Raw Mero had gotten powerbombed by Sable. So for Austin it made no sense to wrestle or feud with a guy who they just buried that badly. And I heard that he refused to feud with Jarrett for some reason.

As for Brock he refused to job to him on Raw with no buildup which he was right about. That would have generated money and the company wanted to give it away for free with not even a weeks worth of buildup.

We'll never know even the half of what happened but he, Sting and Rock get less criticism than other main event guys in terms of backstage politics.

 

[RiverCity]

PWS "SuperCard '13 Night One" - iPPV (Metuchen, NJ) - April 4th, 2013 (8:00 PM)
1) 30-Man Battle Royal for shot at PWS Title
2) Simon Dean (Nova) vs. TBA
3) Hardcore Scramble: Apollyon vs. Devon Moore vs. Lucifer Darksyde vs. Necro Butcher vs. New Jack vs. The Sheik vs. Tommy Dreamer
4) Dan Maff vs. Kevin Steen
5) Trent Barreta vs. Sonjay Dutt
6) Rock N Roll Express (Ricky Marton & Robert Gibson) vs. The Briscoe Brothers (Mark & Jay Briscoe)
7) PWS Tag Team Titles: The Phat Pack (c) vs. Black Hollywood vs. South Side Playaz Club w/Amber O'Neal & Shelly Martinez vs. D-Struction & Seduction
8) John Morrison vs. Elijah Burke
9) Triple Threat: Jushin Thunder Liger vs. Davey Richards vs. Tony Nese
10) PWS Tri-STate Title: Starman vs. Alex Reynolds (c)
11) PWS Title: Kevin Matthews (c) vs. Colt Cabana
* NOTES *
- Also appearances from Billy Graham, Vader, Iron Sheik, & Nikolai Volkoff.

TNA One Night Only: X-Travaganza - PPV - April 05, 2013 (7:00 PM)
1) X-Division Xscape Steel Cage Match: Matt Bentley vs. Alex Silva vs. Christian York vs. Sam Shaw vs. Lince Dorado vs. Puma vs. Jimmy Rave
2) Rashad Cameron & Tony Nese vs. Kid Kash & Doug Williams
3) Robbie E vs. Chavo Guerrero Jr. w/Special Ref: Joseph Park
4) Ultimate X Match: Kenny King vs. Zema Ion vs. Rubix vs. Mason Andrews
5) Bad Influence (Kazarian & Christopher Daniels) vs. Sonjay Dutt & Petey Williams
6) No DQ Match: Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn
7) Samoa Joe vs. Austin Aries

TNA "Road To Slammiversary Tour" - House Show (Westbury, NY) - April 05, 2013 (6:30 PM)
1) Joseph Park vs. Robbie E
2) Kurt Angle vs. Wes Brisco
3) TNA Knockouts Title: Velvet Sky (c) vs. Gail Kim
4) Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe
5) NY Street Fight: Bobby Roode vs. James Storm
6) AJ Styles vs. Austin Aries
7) Jeff Hardy & Sting vs. Team 3D (Bully Ray & Devon)

ROH "SuperCard of Honor VII" - iPPV (New York City) - April 05, 2013 (7:30 PM)
1) ACH & Tadarius Thomas vs. QT Marshall & TBA
2) Charlie Haas vs. Shelton Benjamin (?)
3) Team ROH (BJ Whitmer, Mark Briscoe, Mike Mondo, Caprice Coleman, & Cedric Alexander) vs. S.C.U.M. (Jimmy Rave, Rhino, Rhett Titus, Cliff Compton, & Jimmy Jacobs)
4) Karl Anderson vs. Roderick Strong
5) #1 Contenders Match: Jay Lethal vs. Michael Elgin
6) ROH TV Title Triple Threat: Matt Taven (c) vs. Adam Cole vs. Matt Hardy
7) ROH Tag Team Titles: reDRagon (Bobby Fish & Kyle O'Reilly) (c) vs. The American Wolves (Davey Richards & Eddie Edwards)
8) ROH World Title: Kevin Steen (c) vs. Jay Briscoe

PWS "SuperCard '13 Night Two" - iPPV - April 5th, 2013 (8:00 PM)
1) Suicidal Six Way: The Drunken Swashbuckler vs. The Sheik vs. Devon Moore vs. Cassidy Riley vs. Micah Taylor vs. Bonesaw
2) Lance Anoia vs. Sonjay Dutt
3) Pat Buck vs. Tommy Dreamer
4) Hurricane Helms & Starman vs. Nova & Chris Chetti
5) PWS Tri-State Title: Trent Barreta vs. Alex Reynolds (c)
6) PWS Heavyweight Title: Tony Nese vs. Kevin Matthews (c)
7) John Morrison vs. Jushin Thunder Liger
8) New Jack vs. Necro Butcher
* NOTES *
- Rock N Roll Express, Big O, & more will also compete. Also appearences from MVP, Lita, Paul Orndorff, Sabu, Carlito Colon, Eugene, Bill Apter, Shelly Martinez, Doink The Clown, Amber O'Neal, Silvie Silver, Kevin Sullivan, DOC & Knux of Aces & Eights, Vader, Bret Hart, Billy Graham, Tom Prichard, & The Iron Sheik.

EVOLVE 19 - iPPV (Seacaucus, NJ) - April 05, 2013 (4:00 PM)
1) Evolve Title Tournament Quarterfinals 4-Way Freestyle Bracket A: Rich Swann vs. Samuray del Sol vs. Sami Callihan vs. Jigsaw
2) Evolve Title Tournament Quarterfinals Bracket B: AR Fox vs. Jon Davis
3) Evolve Title Tournament Semifinals: Bracket A Winner vs. Chuck Taylor
4) Evolve Title Tournament Semifinals: Bracket B Winner vs. Ricochet
5) The Young Bucks (Nick & Matt Jackson) vs. Super Smash Bros. (Player Uno & Player Dos)
6) Johnny Gargano & Brian Kendrick vs. Orange Cassidy & Drew Gulak
7) No DQ Match: Arik Cannon vs. Scott Reed
8) Uhaa Nation vs. TBA
9) Evolve Title Tournament Finals: TBA vs. TBA

Combat Zone Wrestling - Live Event (Secaucus, NJ) - Apirl 05, 2013 (8:00 PM)
1) Drake Younger vs. Danny Havoc
2) Matt Tremton vs. Joe Gacy
3) Campaign For A Better Combat Zone (Drew Gulak, Mr. Tofiga, Alexander James, & TBA) vs. The Front (Sozio, Nicholas Kaye, Trooper Aububon, & Ace Delic)
4) Sumerian Death Squad (Tommy End & Michael Donte) vs. 014K (Jake & Dave Crist)
5) Aerial Assault: Shane Strickland vs. AR Fox vs. Rich Swann vs. Chiva Kid vs. Lucky 13 vs. Shane Hollister
6) Greg Excellent vs. Colt Cabana
7) CZW Tag Team Titles: BLK-OUT (Ruckus & BLK Jeez) vs. The Catalyst (Dustin Rayz & Eric Ryan) (c)
8) Brian Kendrick vs. Sami Callihan
9) CZW Heavyweight Title: MASADA (c) vs. Jun Kasai

Kaiju Big Battel - Live Event (Secaucsu, NJ) - April 05, 2013 (11:55 PM)
- Who the fu-k knows?

SHIMMER 53 - iPPV (Secaucus, NJ) - April 06, 2013 (12:00 PM)
1) Amazing Kong vs. Mia Yim
2) Ayumi Kurihara vs. Mercedes Martinez
3) Madison Eagles vs. Jessie McKay
4) Ayako Hamada vs. Athena
5) SHIMMER Title Steel Cage Match: Saraya Knight (c) vs. Cheerleader Melissa

Ring of Honor - TV Taping (New York City) - April 06, 2013 (2:00 PM)
1) Michael Elgin vs. Karl Anderson
2) Bobby Fish vs. Eddie Edwards
3) Kyle O'Reilly vs. Davey Richards
* NOTES *
- More to be announced after 04/05 event.

CHIKARA "The Shoulder of Pallas" - Live Event (Seacaucus, NJ Lineup) - April 06, 2013 (4:00 PM)
1) Saturyne vs. Kobald
2) 3.0 (Scott Parker & Shane Matthews), Gran Akuma, & Marty Jannetty vs. F.I.S.T. (Johnny Gargano, Chuck Taylor, Icarus, & Sugar Dunkerton)
3) The Colony (Fire Ant, Green Ant, & assailANT) & Frightmare vs. Soldier Ant & The Colony: Xtreme Force (Missile Assault Ant, Arctic Rescue Ant, & Orbit Adventure Ant)
4) Archibald Peck vs. Tim Donst
5) 4-Corners Elimination: The Spectral Envoy (UltraMantis Black & Blind Rage ) vs. The Throwbacks (Mr. Touchdown & Dasher Hatfield) vs. The Baitir (Obariyon & Kobald) vs. The Devastation Corporation (Max Smashmaster & Blaster McMassive)
6) Amasis vs. Ophidian
7) Mike Quackenbush & TBA vs. Jigsaw & The Shard
8) CHIKARA Grand Champion: Eddie Kingston (c) vs. Hallowicked

DG-USA "Open The Ultimate Gate '13" - iPPV (Secaucus, NJ) - April 06, 2013 (8:00 PM)
1) Six Way Freestyle: Chuck Taylor vs. Arik Cannon vs. Jigsaw vs. Tony Nese vs. Fire Ant vs. Shane Strickland
2) Super Smash Bros. (Player Uno & Player Dos) vs. Eita & TBA
3) Brian Kendrick vs. Rich Swann
4) Sami Callihan vs. Uhaa Nation
5) Ricochet vs. Akira Tozawa
6) Samuray del Sol vs. Jon Davis
7) Open The United Gate Titles: CIMA & AR Fox (c) vs. The Young Bucks (Nick & Matt Jackson)
8) Open The Freedom Gate Title: Johnny Gargano (c) vs. Shingo Takagi

5 Dollar Wrestling - Live Event (Secaucus, NJ) - April 06, 2013 (11:55 PM)
- Who the fu-k knows?!

DG-USA "Mercury Rising '13" - iPPV (Secaucus, NJ) - April 07, 2013 (1:00 PM)
1) Tony Nese vs. Soldier Ant
2) Super Smash Bros. vs. Sami Callihan & Arik Cannon
3) Brian Kendrick vs. Chuck Taylor
4) Ladders Fray: Matt Jackson vs. Nick Jackson vs. AR Fox vs. Samuray del Sol vs. Uhaa Nation vs. Christina Von Eerie vs. Facade
5) Shingo Takagi vs. Akira Tozawa
6) CIMA, Eita, & TBA vs. Johnny Gargano, Rich Swann, & Ricochet

WRESTLEMANIA 29 - PPV (East Rutherford, NJ) - April 07, 2013 (6:30 PM)
- PRE-SHOW - WWE Intercontinental Title: Wade Barrett (c) vs. The Miz
1) Tons of Funk (Brodus Clay & Tensai) & The Funkadactyls (Cameron & Naomi) vs. Rhodes Scholars (Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow) & The Bella Twins (Brie & Nikki Bella)
2) Chris Jericho vs. Fandango
3) No Holds Barred: Brock Lesnar w/Paul Heyman vs. Triple-H w/Shawn Michaels (if HHH loses, he must retire)
4) WWE Tag Team Titles: Team Hell No (Daniel Bryan & Dolph Ziggler) (c) vs. Dolph Ziggler & Big E. Langston w/AJ Lee
5) Ryback vs. Mark Henry
6) Sheamus, Randy Orton, & Big Show vs. The Shield (Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, & Roman Reigns)
7) The Undertaker vs. CM Punk w/Paul Heyman
8) World Heavyweight Title: Alberto del Rio (c) w/Ricardo Rodriguez vs. Jack Swagger w/Zeb Colter
9) WWE Title: The Rock (c) vs. John Cena

- 2013 "WrestleCon" runs from April 5th (starting at 4 PM) and goes through April 7th (ending at 2:30 PM) with live events (Dragon Gate USA, CZW, SHIMMER, CHIKARA, etc.) and autograph signings from legends like Bret Hart, Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, DDP, Jushin Thunder Liger, and dozens more.
- WWE "WrestleMania Fan Axxess" is April 4th through April 7th featuring live wrestling, Q & A's with WWE stars, autograph signings from both current WWE stars and legends, and many more.
- 2013 WWE "Hall of Fame" Ceremony is April 06th at Madison Square Garden (8:00 PM) featuring the inductions of Bob Backlund, Booker T, Bruno Sammartino, Trish Stratus, Donald Trump, & Mick Foley along with appearences from Arnold Schwarzenegger, Stephanie McMahon, Maria Menounos, Terry Funk, Stevie Ray, & Vince McMahon.

 

[dirtyd]

I read that Austin would pick and choose his opponents despite what Creative said at the time. I read that they wanted Billy Gunn pushed and Austin said no, same with Brock, and that whole Hogan thing that went down when Austin no showed for both those Raws in 2 months. Austin did his fair share of holding niggas back.

Taker didn't really hold people back but he was known to no sell certain wrestlers when he wasn't getting his way.

But like I stated to you, I wasn't there so it could be a fabrication.

Nope. Taker's record is spotless & he actually mentors a lot of the younger talent, the Hardy Boyz & Lita always talked about Taker giving them advice whenever they asked for it.

The only names that I've heard in relation to Austin were Marc Mero who Austin refused to wrestle because a week before on Raw Mero had gotten powerbombed by Sable. So for Austin it made no sense to wrestle or feud with a guy who they just buried that badly. And I heard that he refused to feud with Jarrett for some reason.

As for Brock he refused to job to him on Raw with no buildup which he was right about. That would have generated money and the company wanted to give it away for free with not even a weeks worth of buildup.

We'll never know even the half of what happened but he, Sting and Rock get less criticism than other main event guys in terms of backstage politics.

Austin basically paid Jarrett back for how shitty Jarrett treated him in the past so i have no problem with that, my issue with Austin was the whole walking out deal because he could've just said injuries were forcing him to quit and people would've been fine with that. As for Rock & Sting they're just examples of guys who knew they were too popular for politics, plus they were just smarter than everyone else when it came to the business.

Raw wasn't horrible and had some bright spots (I dvr it a lot some weeks) but some of the shit made no sense, as usual.
Jericho gets Cesaro on Raw but Fandango at Mania?
When Vince loves you, it's awesome but he can just as quickly turn on you and then it's over (Players, Drew).
Cameron is turning out to be quite nice. She's not upper echelon like Natalya but she's serviceable and looks like she's working hard to improve. When this whole Funkadactyl thing is over, she's going to be alright.
Bellas come right back and end up on Mania and poor Kaitlyn (who sucks too) is the Divas champ and she can't even get on the show to job to AJ. Priorities are a mess in that company.


Crockett used to see Four Horsemen vitamins! Vince is getting old and seems to have forgotten even stuff he's done in his company and everyone is too scared to say dick to him.

Raw's structure was the main problem because everyone seemed out of place, how do you not have Rock & Cena close the show leading into the biggest ppv of the year?

Vince has been exposed as not really knowing what he's doing because Drew could've been a great heel, Kofi could've been a ME by now, the PTP'ers could've been a solid & enjoyable team and Cena could've had a monster heel run.

Now as for the 4 horsemen that group & the Freebirds are a great example of heel 101, the Von Erichs would've have never been as popular as they were if it weren't for Michael Hayes & the Horsemen were literally causing riots

 

[dirtyd]

New pic of the WM setup

Looks like they learned from that horrible palm tree incident.

 

[RiverCity]

Shimmer #49 DVDRip x264





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1. Kc Spinelli vs. Miss Natural
2. Christina Von Eerie vs. Yumi Ohka
3. Veda Scott & Shazza McKenzie vs. Taylor Made & Allysin Kay
4. Hiroyo Matsumoto vs. Sassy Stephie
5. Courtney Rush vs. Ryo Mizunami
6. Cheerleader Melissa vs. Rhia O'Reilly
7. Davina Rose vs. Tomoka Nakagawa
8. Leva Bates vs. Kellie Skater
9. MsChif vs. Mercedes Martinez
10. Ayako Hamada vs. Kalamity
11. SHIMMER Tag Team Title Match: Portia Perez & Nicole Matthews vs. Kana & LuFisto
12. SHIMMER Title Match: Saraya Knight vs. Athena

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Shimmer Vol #50 DVDRip x264




SHIMMER- WOMEN ATHLETES Vol. 50 (DVD)




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[RiverCity]

WM stage setup