Neither Elimination Chamber match was anything to write home about but that Kane-Cena shit was not good and predictable. And quite frankly between that match being the main event(and not being good) and all the damn promos they had for Rock-Cena during the PPV is was overkill.

The PPV was not good period and they didn't do a good job at building anything or anybody for that matter. You can make this about Punk and Cena but the truth is that the Cena match was the typical Cena last man standing,ambulance match that we've seen before with the climax being an Attitude Adjustment off something(an ambulance) into a set up area. The feud was a waste and so was the match.

If somebody else wants to refute this let them cause I'm guessing you're gonna need Upgrade,Deltronz and dirtyd to all verify this for you to think I'm not saying this simply because I'm a "hater".

C/S the PPV sucked ass!!!

This Cena shit has gotten beyond old. It's not completely his fault but damn, this cat could at least attempt to improve his in ring skills. We all know this shit is for entertainment. That being said, Cena is not entertaining. He's boring, he's predictable, he's basically running an outdated gimmick that would have worked in the late 80's/ early 90's. As much as he professes that he "love's" the business, he does nothing to improve upon his character or skill level. Cena marks can respond how they want (you are already on ignore from previous idiotic statements) it doesn't really matter. The fact remains that the only folks he's over with is kids, and it's probably going to stay that way. But the WWE needs to stop forcing this dude down our collective throats (no homo) because we are tired of this one trick pony. They really haven't "built" any new stars in a while and the cats they could run with, Brodus Clay for example, they book in a ridiculous gimmick and derail any build up that they initially had. I keep watchin this shit hoping they will eventually turn the corner, but instead they making it harder to watch. :smh:
 
Punks Twitter Beef with Chris Brown:lol:

I would like @chrisbrown fight somebody that can defend themselves. Me curb stomping that turd would be a #wrestlemania moment.

Chris Brown's Response
@CMpunk needs more followers. He's such a leader! Not to mention the roids hes on has made it utterly impossible for him pleasure a women.

He also followed up with
Positivity regardless of how u feel! @CMpunk contact my assistant and I'll have em send u an autographed pic for my biggest FAN!!!

I got to give it to Punk because this could be entertaining:lol:
 
Punks Twitter Beef with Chris Brown:lol:

Damn Chris Brown needs to learn how to shut the fuck up. Him responding to any and everything (a)makes him looks like an emotional ass bitch and (b)is gonna get him in a situation he doesn't want to be in though I don't get why Punk decided to even mention Chris Brown.
 
I know I'm in the minority here, but Miz never has done anything for me. He's ok enough on the mic, but never bought him as a real threat in the ring. His ring work lacks any distinctiveness.

I like Miz but I agree. They don't book him strong consistently but that goes for all their heels right now.

Then they should've never booked Jericho to be in this EC match. The fact they've already clashed has lowered my interest in a WM bout between them. If they wanted them to clash in this AND Mania, they should've had Jericho go over here (even if it meant cheating to win). And now comes my bathroom break. Beth is good, but Tamia "we know who her father is, but she still sucks" Snucka is whatever.

Agreed with all points. I think Tamina has something but she doesn't have enough ring time to improve. Since they knew they were going with this, she should have been working 10-15 minute matches with Natalya at every house show.


Chris Brown and CM Punk.:hmm:

Why did they let the Cena-Kane match finish the ppv especially one called "Elimination Chamber" with two world title EC matches on the card? And it's even worse that both EC matches were better than the Cena-Kane match.
This feud has been the worst waste of time to wait for the Rock.
It's not about hating Cena for me, I don't, it's about bad booking (office) and bad acting (Cena).

Letting Santino last was surprising but why do that with a guy you absolutely will not build instead of someone else with more potential?
Now take Kofi and shoot him back up the ladder, please. Doesn't get hurt. Doesn't fail drug tests.
 

I don't know if there are any spill.com fans in this threads, but there's a pretty funny discussion about the Cena/Ryder/Kane storyline on this week's ACOCO. They go in on the bullshit acting by Ryder when he was playing injured in the wheelchair and
stone cold / booker t in the supermarket :lol:
 
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Punks Twitter Beef with Chris Brown:lol:



Chris Brown's Response


He also followed up with


I got to give it to Punk because this could be entertaining:lol:

punk should do a promo on david otunga and jennifer hudson..be like"oh and david,tell your wife to turn down the volume on her voice will you..? everytime i turn on the television she in commercials singing about"the SUN in the SKYYYYY.." or something to that effect.." :lol:
 
Ron Simmons in the WWE Hall of Fame :dance:

And I know for years that D'Lo Brown has said that he would love to induct Simmons.
 
so nobody found the Rock N Roll Buck Zumoff line hilarious?
congrats to Ron Simmons!! Hell In A Cell with Taker and HHH should be good!!!
 
That was a sloppy match on raw..Barrett broke his arm, Truth had to be helped to the bac, Kofa took a nasty fall almost got hurt...Vince is mad tonite.
 
That was a sloppy match on raw..Barrett broke his arm, Truth had to be helped to the back, Kofa took a nasty fall almost got hurt...Vince is mad tonite.
 
knew theyd take the easy way out of the kane/cena feud by turning eve heel..

Problem is other than the shit last Monday the last Raw before the ending of the feud what did that do to really take the feud to the next level or for any of the parties involved?

Ross on whether WWE will capitalize on the C.M. Punk and Chris Brown Twitter feud: "I'd suggest that would be a classic, Gorilla Monsoon reply of "HIGHLY UNLIKELY." Chris Brown couldn't be melted and poured on the WWE Champion, plus I've never heard of Brown physically engaging any male."
 
Anyone else think that Ryder may end up costing Cena the match with the Rock? They've made Ryder look like a pathetic goof ball. A heel turn may do his character some good.
 
That was a sloppy match on raw..Barrett broke his arm, Truth had to be helped to the back, Kofa took a nasty fall almost got hurt...Vince is mad tonite.

co-sign. kofi looked like he was supposed to stay in the match longer I thought ninja was going to split his head on the mat like funaki in the royal rumble hears ago. :smh:

when i saw truth and barrett out side the ring for like 8 min i knew somthing went wrong.
 


I didn't realize Barrett got hurt so bad. He was cursing up a storm. Looked like he hyper-extended it and put all his body weight on it. His arm was moving like a piece of cooked pasta.
 
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I thought RAW was good tonight although the clusterfuck ending doesn't help. I liked Cena intensity i just wish he didn't go back to the "Im here and You're not" speech, the fans don't care and next week he will get eaten alive.
 
I WONDER WHO SAID THIS :dunno::dunno::dunno:

NoDQ.com > WWE > Anonymous WWE Star Rants on The Rock
Posted by Steve Carrier on 02/21/2012 at 01:14 AM

With The Rock making his much anticipated return to Raw next Monday, John Cena had harsh words for "The Most Electrifying Man In Sports Entertainment," saying he's no longer The People's Champion, but he's a champion with people (referring to the entourage around him). After strongly criticizing The Rock for returning, but not sticking around WWE, Cena vowed to beat the iconic grappler in his hometown of Miami, Florida at WrestleMania XXVIII.

A number of WWE performers appeared giddy backstage over Cena's remarks as they legitimately feel that way over Johnson. One talent commented via text to PWInsider.com (with permission to be quoted under condition of of anonymity: "[The Rock] comes in to use WWE to get back the audience he lost doing Disney movies, which is fine but he's been back over a year and name one person he helped make a bigger star since then? No one.

"He's here for himself, he keeps to himself, and he keeps someone who's actually touring here all year from making a bigger payday at the bigger shows. It's all about making this the "biggest" Mania of all time. OK, then what do we do the rest of the year? Who's been made? You think he took ANY blame for Survivor [Series] not drawing? Of course not, but how do you feud with a guy on the Titantron? Cena nailed the guy dead on tonight.

"Say anything about Triple H, 'Taker, etc. still being in the top spot but if they were needed to work the road, they would and they would still work their asses off as much as they needed to. Rock is out for Rock and the idea he's here to better anything but his own wallet is the biggest work of 2012."
 
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I can understand why they criticize...


The rock is so good, he upsets people emotionally when he makes his appearances and split.

fact is, he dont need wwe, the wwe needs him.., badly.


 
So they'll speak out against The Rock (who's already paid his dues as a wrestler), but won't speak out about the writers and the lack of push for the talent?

They push Broadus with this goofy gimmick and after a month they decide he's not ready.

Ryder gets himself over and instead of capitalizing and building on top of that, they make him look like a punk.

They put Miz in a predictable storyline and match with The Rock and John Cena and they blame him for the failure.

Where are the anonymous comments about all that shit?
 
knew theyd take the easy way out of the kane/cena feud by turning eve heel..

It seems to me that the Eve turn is something they just decided on last week after all the heat she got dumping Zack and kissing Cena.
She can't act or dance and isn't a very good wrestler. What does Eve bring again?

I can understand why they criticize...


The rock is so good, he upsets people emotionally when he makes his appearances and split.

fact is, he dont need wwe, the wwe needs him.., badly.



I get the criticism but, in Rock's defense, he sees how fucked up the current Creative is and he's not leting those assclowns fuck up his character.

So they'll speak out against The Rock (who's already paid his dues as a wrestler), but won't speak out about the writers and the lack of push for the talent?

They push Broadus with this goofy gimmick and after a month they decide he's not ready.

Ryder gets himself over and instead of capitalizing and building on top of that, they make him look like a punk.

They put Miz in a predictable storyline and match with The Rock and John Cena and they blame him for the failure.

Where are the anonymous comments about all that shit?

Agreed but with Rock it's similar to all the heat Vince Russo used to catch when he was writing for TNA: he liked to take credit for great angles and moments but dodged all the fallout for bad ones. If Mania does a more than normal huge number, Rock's going to get the credit but Survivor Series didn't do a (relatively) good number and it's The Miz who takes the fall for it. If you're one of the guys who's working on the road yearround, that shit, on top of all the other shit you put up with working in this company, will piss you off.

Here's another perspective on the Rock situation backstage from Mike Johnson
In Johnson's defense, anytime he's been booked for PPV or TV, I've heard he stays at the same hotel as the rest of the WWE crew. It's not like the guy is sequestered away like a Grand Jury. I can understand the frustration of him being on top, but the reality is, his name means greater box office for Wrestlemania and that does trickle down to everyone on the card. There's certainly a give and take to him being there, and it's certainly not all a negative.


Ultimately, it's not Rock or Cena or Punk or Bryan, it's Vince McMahon's fault and nothing will change in the foreseeable future.
 
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Butch Reed and Teddy Long should do it.

Teddy and Butch should but they'll probably go with JBL with Teddy as the alternate if Layfield doesn't do it.

co-sign. kofi looked like he was supposed to stay in the match longer I thought ninja was going to split his head on the mat like funaki in the royal rumble hears ago. :smh:

when i saw truth and barrett out side the ring for like 8 min i knew somthing went wrong.

ZIGGLER AND BARRETT INJURY UPDATES
by Mike Johnson @ 12:15 AM on 2/21/2012

According to WWE sources, Dolph Ziggler is actually OK. He took a hard bump but was OK after being checked out backstage.

Unfortunately, Wade Barrett did not fare as well. After being checked out by medical staff, it's been confirmed he suffered a dislocated elbow from the fall with Ziggler in the Raw main event Battle Royal.


They do not need another injury to a name guy.

Why bring back Mark to job him to Sheamus? Since it's pretty clear he's going to beat Bryan, save Mark and let him come back after Mania for him and Sheamus to feud for the WHC.
 
Damn Chris Brown needs to learn how to shut the fuck up. Him responding to any and everything (a)makes him looks like an emotional ass bitch and (b)is gonna get him in a situation he doesn't want to be in though I don't get why Punk decided to even mention Chris Brown.

naah people need 2 chyll bein in dudes business like that,CM Punk just tryna gain publicity. I hate Chris Brown and i dnt even kno why,but he's not on my mind enough 4 me to even care what he does or to send threats his way.. Now thats bitch made
 
naah people need 2 chyll bein in dudes business like that,CM Punk just tryna gain publicity. I hate Chris Brown and i dnt even kno why,but he's not on my mind enough 4 me to even care what he does or to send threats his way.. Now thats bitch made

It's still on Brown to learn to not respond to every random thing said about him.
Who the fuck is CM Punk to Chris Brown? They operate in completely different circles. Brown needs to learn how to let shit go. He validates all this shit by responding.
 
It's still on Brown to learn to not respond to every random thing said about him.
Who the fuck is CM Punk to Chris Brown? They operate in completely different circles. Brown needs to learn how to let shit go. He validates all this shit by responding.

U right,I would have to say I might have made the same mistake Chris made. But U are right 100% on that
 
It seems to me that the Eve turn is something they just decided on last week after all the heat she got dumping Zack and kissing Cena.
She can't act or dance and isn't a very good wrestler. What does Eve bring again?

She's not that bad Dave although i do agree with the bad acting part.



I get the criticism but, in Rock's defense, he sees how fucked up the current Creative is and he's not leting those assclowns fuck up his character.

I don't get the criticism at all, you can't beg a guy to come back(which is an indictment on the current roster)and then trash him when he shows up. Cena needs to focus more on wanting to beat Rock to prove he can, and not this stupid you're never here crap. This report could be a dirt sheet rumor but if it's not then we have a locker room full of whiny bitches.



Agreed but with Rock it's similar to all the heat Vince Russo used to catch when he was writing for TNA: he liked to take credit for great angles and moments but dodged all the fallout for bad ones. If Mania does a more than normal huge number, Rock's going to get the credit but Survivor Series didn't do a (relatively) good number and it's The Miz who takes the fall for it. If you're one of the guys who's working on the road yearround, that shit, on top of all the other shit you put up with working in this company, will piss you off.

What can you really blame him for? SS did horrible because they built it up poorly and people are saving their coins for Mania. They blamed Miz because they didn't want to blame themselves, and to be quite honest Miz is not the same as he was last year imo.

Here's another perspective on the Rock situation backstage from Mike Johnson
In Johnson's defense, anytime he's been booked for PPV or TV, I've heard he stays at the same hotel as the rest of the WWE crew. It's not like the guy is sequestered away like a Grand Jury. I can understand the frustration of him being on top, but the reality is, his name means greater box office for Wrestlemania and that does trickle down to everyone on the card. There's certainly a give and take to him being there, and it's certainly not all a negative.

I think we all kinda have an idea on who the people are that have it in for Rock if this report is true. I do find it sad that this current gen needs stars of the past to come out of retirement so they can make money. I don't remember Rock or Austin begging legends to come help them sell ppvs, i know part is creative but another part is who's really a superstar in the WWE now? I mean a "true" superstar not that bullshit superstar label they give all of the wrestlers.

Honestly if i were Rock i would give them all the bird after Mania and tell em good luck in staying relevant after im gone:lol: again if this is even a true report.
 
She's not that bad Dave although i do agree with the bad acting part.

She's horrible. She started good but then, for some reason, they took her out of the ring and she regressed when she started wrestling more often.

Every one of these Divas needs to be working longer matches house shows with Beth and Natalya and WWE should bring in Jackie Moore for them to work with on house shows as well.
What I don't get they fired Finlay, who was working with the women but didn't replace him with someone else equally capable like Regal.

I don't get the criticism at all, you can't beg a guy to come back(which is an indictment on the current roster)and then trash him when he shows up. Cena needs to focus more on wanting to beat Rock to prove he can, and not this stupid you're never here crap. This report could be a dirt sheet rumor but if it's not then we have a locker room full of whiny bitches.

The talent didn't beg for him to come back, Vince did.
They do complain about Creative, they just wait until their gone to do it (see Colt Cabana's "Creative Has Nothing For You" YouTube videos). The Rock bitching is probably misplaced frustration born out of watching so many guys just floating around and not doing anything and Santino gets a main event payday so they get mad at a guy who comes in twice a year and gets a main event spot.





What can you really blame him for? SS did horrible because they built it up poorly and people are saving their coins for Mania. They blamed Miz because they didn't want to blame themselves, and to be quite honest Miz is not the same as he was last year imo.

Miz isn't the same but it's the presentation because he's still the same guy.
No one is blaming him for SS not doing well (though the idea that people are saving their money isn't a good one) but just having him on it didn't help it at all but instead of the writers taking the blame, it's put on a guy who does what he's told every week. He didn't write himself and Truth into jobbing for Cena in the weeks coming up on the show.


I think we all kinda have an idea on who the people are that have it in for Rock if this report is true. I do find it sad that this current gen needs stars of the past to come out of retirement so they can make money. I don't remember Rock or Austin begging legends to come help them sell ppvs, i know part is creative but another part is who's really a superstar in the WWE now? I mean a "true" superstar not that bullshit superstar label they give all of the wrestlers.

Honestly if i were Rock i would give them all the bird after Mania and tell em good luck in staying relevant after im gone:lol: again if this is even a true report.


Whether he's there or not doesn't matter as far as their relevence since he doesn't do anything with any of them.

Complaining about a guy who comes in once, twice a year for a big payday isn't new. Michael Hayes TO THIS DAY complains Andre the Giant and Dusty Rhodes coming into territories that the Freebirds had hot and taking "their" house on big shows.

Rock and Austin couldn't ask anyone to come in because ALL of the top guys from the WWF were in WCW but when they were available, Vince brought in Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan asap.

This is where I think you and I fundamentally disagree. You put the blame on the talent but I still say, if Rock and Austin and HHH and Taker had been booked by the same mindset and writers they have now, they wouldn't be any better. In fact to back that up, when Vince was really controlling the product, Rock was a smiling Rocky Maivia and Steve Austin was the Ringmaster.
 


I didn't realize Barrett got hurt so bad. He was cursing up a storm. Looked like he hyper-extended it and put all his body weight on it. His arm was moving like a piece of cooked pasta.


Dolph might be a little banged up, but he's probably cool, but Wade :eek:
Any word on his condition? It would suck to lose one of the few guys that they've actually pushed. Especially this close to Mania.
 
She's horrible. She started good but then, for some reason, they took her out of the ring and she regressed when she started wrestling more often.

Okay so you kind of agree with me because you said she started off good, which means she's capable of being better.

Every one of these Divas needs to be working longer matches house shows with Beth and Natalya and WWE should bring in Jackie Moore for them to work with on house shows as well.
What I don't get they fired Finlay, who was working with the women but didn't replace him with someone else equally capable like Regal.

Firing Finlay was a pointless dumbass move because it firing him didn't help the company or the divas at all.



The talent didn't beg for him to come back, Vince did.
They do complain about Creative, they just wait until their gone to do it (see Colt Cabana's "Creative Has Nothing For You" YouTube videos). The Rock bitching is probably misplaced frustration born out of watching so many guys just floating around and not doing anything and Santino gets a main event payday so they get mad at a guy who comes in twice a year and gets a main event spot.

Cena actually did want a match with Rock and Vince did him no favors by saying he was just as big as Rock SCSA & Hogan. Misplaced frustration translates into cowardly bitching because when Rock leaves they'll still be where they're at, just with a little bump in pay from their Mania bonuses.





Whether he's there or not doesn't matter as far as their relevance since he doesn't do anything with any of them.

It kind of does since when he's there it shines a much needed mainstream spotlight on the company. Seriously when he returned a lot of my friends who had tuned out were asking me about certain wrestlers and if they were any good.

Complaining about a guy who comes in once, twice a year for a big payday isn't new. Michael Hayes TO THIS DAY complains Andre the Giant and Dusty Rhodes coming into territories that the Freebirds had hot and taking "their" house on big shows.

Rock and Austin couldn't ask anyone to come in because ALL of the top guys from the WWF were in WCW but when they were available, Vince brought in Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan asap.

You really think Rock is there for a big payday? Seeing as how he probably made about 15mil doing Fast5. Michael Hayes can complain all he wants but this is a business, and if you can get big names to appear then you do it plain and simple.

This is where I think you and I fundamentally disagree. You put the blame on the talent but I still say, if Rock and Austin and HHH and Taker had been booked by the same mindset and writers they have now, they wouldn't be any better. In fact to back that up, when Vince was really controlling the product, Rock was a smiling Rocky Maivia and Steve Austin was the Ringmaster.

JR himself has come out and mentioned the fact that the wrestlers don't seem inspired to climb the ranks anymore, and while you can blame creative you can't give them a pass if they've given up on themselves. Austin let Vince know that the Ring Master was no going to work and his ex gave him the name Stone Cold(legally he never should've mentioned that:lol:)

One more thing how fucking stupid were they to keep tossing people out on the same side the medics are trying to exam Barrett & Dolph? Big Show deserves some blame because he was not careful with Dolph at all on that throw.
 
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Okay so you kind of agree with me because you said she started off good, which means she's capable of being better.

She's capable but, as we've seen in the last two years, she can't improve in WWE as it is now. For her to improve, they need to change or she needs to leave.


Firing Finlay was a pointless dumbass move because it firing him didn't help the company or the divas at all.

Absolutely. Firing him and not replacing him with an equally capable trainer hurts everyone.





Cena actually did want a match with Rock and Vince did him no favors by saying he was just as big as Rock SCSA & Hogan. Misplaced frustration translates into cowardly bitching because when Rock leaves they'll still be where they're at, just with a little bump in pay from their Mania bonuses.

Wanting a match with a guy (which everyone believes Vince put him up to) isn't the same as begging for a guy to come back.
Once Rock is gone, they can go back to focusing on the real people holding them down.







It kind of does since when he's there it shines a much needed mainstream spotlight on the company. Seriously when he returned a lot of my friends who had tuned out were asking me about certain wrestlers and if they were any good.

And yet, the one ppv he actually wrestled at had less buys than it did the previous year. Rock adds a certain splash for a week but not in a way that makes people spend 45.00 on a ppv. Once his segment is over, it's back to normal WWE bullshit. So me telling my brother, another long time fan who's gone away, how good Dolph Ziggler is and when he turns it on, Ziggler's jobbing and looking stupid.


You really think Rock is there for a big payday? Seeing as how he probably made about 15mil doing Fast5. Michael Hayes can complain all he wants but this is a business, and if you can get big names to appear then you do it plain and simple.

Yes. He's not doing it for free and doing Vince a favor. That's not a knock or saying he doesn't love the business and isn't happy to be back but, as you point out, it's a business.
Hayes' complaining is an example of how guys have had the same complaints for 25 years, at least.



JR himself has come out and mentioned the fact that the wrestlers don't seem inspired to climb the ranks anymore, and while you can blame creative you can't give them a pass if they've given up on themselves. Austin let Vince know that the Ring Master was no going to work and his ex gave him the name Stone Cold(legally he never should've mentioned that:lol:)

I remember when he first told that story and I thought "Damn Steve, are you trying to write a bigger check for Jeannie?":D
If there's no incentive, why be "inspired"? It used to be, that guys worked hard and got themselves over and were rewarded, that's no longer the case. Now when you get over, they bury you to "test you out" and sometimes forget about you (Drew McIntyre, Zeke, MVP, etc, blah, blah) so what's the point? Austin came up with the whole SCSA gimmick (needs to break bread with the Sandman too) but he still didn't get a push until Bret came back and started talking him up.
Someone is going to have to start beating them again or Vince is going to have to retire/die for there to be any change in WWE longterm.

One more thing how fucking stupid were they to keep tossing people out on the same side the medics are trying to exam Barrett & Dolph? Big Show deserves some blame because he was not careful with Dolph at all on that throw.

:yes:
If he had been a younger guy having two fucked up Raw matches (blowing that RKO last week was terrible) in a row like that, he would be in deep shit.
 
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