THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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Indeed. Kofi continues to be wasted despite showing in-ring brilliance and being over with the crowd.
This was an...OK Rumble. Not on the level with the likes of 1992,2004,or 2010. But not a BAD Rumble (like 1999) even though who I wanted to win didn't win (and really, I have no interest in Sheamus). *** for the Rumble match (needed a little less Otunga/Uso, and more Christian/Broadus level people. Couple of the comedy spots, Kharma's return, and the fantastic Jericho/Sheamus showdown pulls this from being forgettable), ***1/2 for the Punk/Ziggler match (but it could've been higher had the storyline not messed up the pacing, so that says a lot for the ability and chemistry between Punk/Ziggler). **1/2 for the opening cage match. Skip everything else.
Awesome Kong - (hate the name Kharma) returns
Worst Rumble...EVER!!!
Worst Rumble...EVER!!!
As long as 1999 Rumble exists, it'll never be the worst rumble ever. And 1999 occurred during the Attitude ever.
I actually popped in the Royal Rumble 1999 DVD in a couple months ago to see if my perspective of the rumble match itself changed. BRUTAL stuff, and I actually feel worse about it now than I did when I saw it live back in the day. It really has not aged well at all.
Worst ending? 1999 wins
Rumble filled with the most jobbers? 1999 wins
Rumble with the most dead air during the match? 1999 wins
Those 3 factors alone will keep this year's rumble a good distance away from that territory (and this is coming from someone who has no interest in Sheamus, and really wanted Jericho to win it).
I don't mind Sheamus winning that much because I think you can use the Rumble to build up to 3 new guys (the winner, the guy who eliminates the most, and the guy who lasts the longest) and Jericho can lose and still talk his way into the WWE title match with Punk.
I wish they would build Bryan better as champion. He's had one good win and Kofi hasn't done anything of note in a long time. Now he's going into Mania, destined to lose to Sheamus or Randy Orton (if they sneak him in at Elimination Chamber).
Jericho not winning is one of the best red herrings in a long time. I was fooled and I'm cool with that.
The match itself had some moments (Kharma's return, Ricardo, Kofi's handstand and the Socko/Cobra standoff which was entertaining) but still felt alittle weak overall. The match probably highlighted the weak roster more than anything.
The match itself had some moments (Kharma's return, Ricardo, Kofi's handstand and the Socko/Cobra standoff which was entertaining) but still felt alittle weak overall. The match probably highlighted the weak roster more than anything.
Sorry bruh but 2012 is the worst one ever because even the main eventers are close to being jobbers
Sheamus vs DB is not going to set the world on fire and at least after the 99 rumble people wanted to see how Vince would weasel out of the match.
Sorry bruh but 2012 is the worst one ever because even the main eventers are close to being jobbers
I guess we'll agree to disagree, but a non-wrestler winning the rumble, LOTS of dead spots, full of jobbers (and really,that's pretty objective, there is no question the 1999 Rumble had more jobbers than the 2012 one), and practically nothing of worth happening during the entire Rumble match (Jericho/Sheamus wrestling sequence at the end was better than anything in the 1999 Rumble match. If you disagree then tell me what sequence in the 1999 rumble match was better) makes this year's clearly better than 1999. Watch the 1999 one again today. As I said in my other post, I saw it recently on DVD and actually feels it's worse now than when it first aired live since we're so removed from that era. At least back in 1999 there was followup to look forward to (but make no question, the 1999 rumble match still sucked back then).
Also, I hardly see how Daniel Bryan (a current world champ) and Sheamus (a former world champ) are two jobbers. Sounds like you're letting your dislike for them cloud objective terminology (and bare in mind, I don't want to see Sheamus and have no interest in him). Daniel Bryan is a damn good wrestler and, truth be told, has chemistry in the ring with Sheamus based on their prior matches. But again....I still didn't want Sheamus to win and was disappointed that Jericho didn't win. But 2012 worst rumble match ever? Definitely not. The card as a whole was underwhelming however.
I actually like Sheamus but he's been nothing for so long that him winning the Rumble was just blah. DB has been boring as champ as well and im sorry but anyone expecting this to be entertaining is setting themselves up for disappointment(not you since you said you have no interest). This Rumble will be remembered for 2 things 1.Kofi's handstand 2. Ricardo's car
and imo that's failure defined. We have to accept the fact that until we get that next superstar with the "it" factor then this is what we're stuck with. It's not Punk DB Ziggler(although i like him) or Orton, Rock vs Cena will be great but after that then what?
I actually like Sheamus but he's been nothing for so long that him winning the Rumble was just blah. DB has been boring as champ as well and im sorry but anyone expecting this to be entertaining is setting themselves up for disappointment(not you since you said you have no interest). This Rumble will be remembered for 2 things 1.Kofi's handstand 2. Ricardo's car
We'll have to agree to disagree again. They have booked Daniel Bryan badly during his world title run, but he is still a great wrestler that produces in the ring despite how badly they book him. Plus, his matches against Sheamus in the past have been great (their match on PPV in particular), so I have no doubt they'll put together a good match on Wrestlemania if that's where we're headed (my beef is I've never liked Sheamus, so I didn't want to see him win the rumble...especially over Jericho). Also, Punk has the "it" factor and so does Ziggler (and for a while I didnt see it, but I do nowadays).And for whatever the 2012 rumble will be remembered for I'm sure the rumble match itself will be held in higher regard than 1999's. I'm not trying to argue that 2012 was one of the better rumbles (it wasn't) but certainly didnt have ZERO redeeming values unlike the 1999 rumble.
Dave will attest to the fact that i called Punks bs months ago, if he can't shoot on you then his promos ring hollow and he has gotten pretty sloppy in the ring as of late. Ziggler has a chance but something tells me it won't happen, mainly because i've seen this company fuck up sure things(KOFI!!!)so i don't have hope for dolph. I just looked at the the participants for the 99 rumble and give me that roster over this one any day
Without seeing this year's, it would have to be incredibly bad to top 99. When McMahon won the match, all credibility was gone with me and it hurt the product. The thing worse was when McMahon won the WWF title and never lost it.
Bryan vs Sheamus should be a good match. The problems with them isn't them, both are good in their own way but in how they're booked and presented. Name your favorite wrestler and there's a good chance there was a time when he sucked until a different booker worked with him or he was given a different gimmick.
As I said, since Jericho can talk himself into a Mania main event, letting a young guy win isn't a bad thing. The only knock is of course they did this to "swerve" all of those people who had Jericho winning since internally, they had pencilled Chris in to win it when he came back.
I actually like Sheamus but he's been nothing for so long that him winning the Rumble was just blah. DB has been boring as champ as well and im sorry but anyone expecting this to be entertaining is setting themselves up for disappointment(not you since you said you have no interest). This Rumble will be remembered for 2 things 1.Kofi's handstand 2. Ricardo's car
There will be no "next superstar with the "it" factor" under this current management and direction. They're even more limited and limiting than during the Hulkamania era.
Punk has "it" and they made sure to crush "it" when he resigned. Ziggler has "it" but he gets beat all the fucking time. There are quite a few guys that could be big stars for them but the booking is horrible and no one can break through. That's not going to change any time soon and they will have to keep going back to Austin and Rock and Mick and Nash and Booker and even fucking Jerry Lawler.
You did and I thought you were wrong then too. Punk is the last guy who's allowed to do "real" (not shoot) promos like in the "good ol days". Jericho will have some of that when he starts talking but everyone else just recites their lines. So if it's a problem that Punk doesn't recite as well as other guys, I think that's a good thing since we shit on the guys and the shows for their fake sounding promos.
That's my problem who has he really gone against because everyone is so lame now that he gets away with stuff, he goes after them then they repeat the same shit we've heard before(Del Rio). Look at his promos with HHH and the one with Cena the week of Summerslam, is weakness is he goes so hard after a guy that when they check him he gets flustered. So far he runs his mouth then the other guy just takes it which is "fish in a barrel", he doesn't match up well with people above him because his shots don't do any damage to them.
But back to the original point and that's this Rumble sucked
Even if people didn't like the 99 rumble match at least it had the iconic Rock vs Foley match, what did this one have that's worth remembering?
I thought we were just comparing the rumble matches, not the card itself. Of course the Foley/Rock match is better than anything on the 2012's card. But I was just comparing the rumble itself. Looking at that, 2012 is a good deal better than the terrible 1999 Rumble which still holds the title for worst rumble ever for a lot of reasons. This year's rumble was middling, overall, but not hitting the "chore to watch" levels that was 1999 (plus the ending is the worst one to date as well).
How is that any different than when Rock was on top? Who was his verbal nemesis: The Big Show? Taker?
And you seem to think these are completely spontaneous moments and not choreographed situations where they know who's going to get the last word?
Pluck Punk out of 2011-12 and put him in 1985 with Ole Anderson telling him "You got 7 minutes. Mention your match with Magnum TA in Augusta and you got Buzz Sawyer in Charlotte." and he contends with Flair.
But back to the original point and that's this Rumble sucked
That's different. That's Rumble ppv had some good wrestling on it with good booking, I'm just saying the Rumble match would have to be shitty on another level to beat the year a 60 yr old Vince McMahon won.
So, I can appreciate that they did not let Cena win last night, but really sold Kane as the monster. I personally think they should let Kane keep beating his arse up to Mania. They have it set up like Kane is really getting in Cenas head because he can't beat him. When Rock and Cena go at it at Mania, they should set it up where the match is going back and forth, and Cena can't finish him off. All of a sudden, something happens where the ref is knocked out, and Kane comes down to the ring. You think he's going to beat Cenas arse again, but he beats down the Rock. Cena takes advantage of the beaten Rock and gets the win. After the match, Cena gives an evil smirk to the crowd. As he's walking up the ramp, he keeps screaming at the crowd, "This is what you all wanted".
A lot of debate about the 99 Rumble ....
I'll say that the both rumbles were filled with nobody jobbers, but the thing that made that rumble worst then last night's was that this year's rumble was funny. The 99 rumble was filled with jobbers, had a horrible ending, and was dry/unfunny. This year's match was filled with jobbers, but they mostly all provided some funny moments. Ricky Rod showing up in that piece of shit car or the socko/cobra faceoff And the final four match up was actually pretty decent. It was the first time in months that I've been entertained by Orton. And the surprise ending with Sheamus winning it instead of Jericho.
I'll say that the both rumbles were filled with nobody jobbers, but the thing that made that rumble worst then last night's was that this year's rumble was funny. The 99 rumble was filled with jobbers, had a horrible ending, and was dry/unfunny. This year's match was filled with jobbers, but they mostly all provided some funny moments. Ricky Rod showing up in that piece of shit car or the socko/cobra faceoff
And the final four match up was actually pretty decent. It was the first time in months that I've been entertained by Orton. And the surprise ending with Sheamus winning it instead of Jericho. I was thinking about this today and you're right. I like the change up to let Sheamus win instead of Jericho. Jericho/Punk can main event Mania without getting the Rumble win. And hopefully (fingers crossed) they can do this push correctly and make Sheamus somebody we give a shit about again.
The only thing I think about is whether the wrestlers knew before hand, because it comes off as a Vince last second change up special. Like both guys were getting ready to come out of the curtain and Vince pulled them to the side and said, "By the way .... Chris, you're going to lose. You're cool with that, right?"
The only thing I think about is whether the wrestlers knew before hand, because it comes off as a Vince last second change up special. Like both guys were getting ready to come out of the curtain and Vince pulled them to the side and said, "By the way .... Chris, you're going to lose. You're cool with that, right?"
I'm going to save this comment. You may have just guessed the ending of Mania down to a tee
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The only way Cena should get a screwjob win like that over Rock is if Rock is going to come back for more matches.
If there was one time Cena should have won, it was last night. Not just win but beat the fuck out of Kane. Finally put an edge on Cena, make him a tough guy. Not that Superman shit they do but old fashioned babyface comeback where he kicks Kane's ass and shows he's ready to fight Rock at Mania. But they fucked that up too. Who the hell wants to see this shit drag out another couple weeks at Elimination Chamber when Rock and Cena and deciding who's in the world title matches should be the focus?
You can also put Foley HHH & Jericho on that list kinda convenient you left them out
Also you just made my point Punk gets the last word all the time and never has people go hard at him like he does with them. JL is an easy punching bag but just remember his final promo with HHH & Cena, when both stars have equal time he eventually runs out of those quips which never works well for him.We were but i was just saying how even if you didn't like that match at least it had something on the card to make it tolerable, whereas this Rumble as a whole had nothing. Like you said we agree to disagree it's cool no big deal but imo the 93 rumble was the worst ever.
You can also put Foley HHH & Jericho on that list kinda convenient you left them out
Not convenient, I just couldn't remember any of them getting the best of Rock in dueling promos. Jericho actually made his debut getting owned by the Rock.
He only gets the last word when the other guy isn't as good on the mic, like Johnny Ace. When he was faced with HHH, Hunter got the last word, as it was plotted out.
Being the best at that isn't a good thing to me. That parts almost as fake as most closed fist punches that never draw blood or knock anybody out. Two guys who have this heated rivalry where they've done these violent things to each other have time to go out and trade jokes and barbs back at each other? Every week, no matter what happened the last time they saw each other? TNA got this all the way right last week when Storm and Hardy didn't take time to talk about shit, when they saw Roode and Bubba, they wanted to fight, fuck talking.
93 was boring. I remember it started good but then just fizzled out. But Yoko winning was a surprise to me since I didn't think he was getting that kind of push that fast.
You see how Del is so agreeable and easy to get along with. He "agrees to disagree". That is not me. Fuck that. I will just keep disagreeing because I KNOW I'm right.
Not convenient, I just couldn't remember any of them getting the best of Rock in dueling promos. Jericho actually made his debut getting owned by the Rock.
He only gets the last word when the other guy isn't as good on the mic, like Johnny Ace. When he was faced with HHH, Hunter got the last word, as it was plotted out.
Being the best at that isn't a good thing to me. That parts almost as fake as most closed fist punches that never draw blood or knock anybody out. Two guys who have this heated rivalry where they've done these violent things to each other have time to go out and trade jokes and barbs back at each other? Every week, no matter what happened the last time they saw each other? TNA got this all the way right last week when Storm and Hardy didn't take time to talk about shit, when they saw Roode and Bubba, they wanted to fight, fuck talking.
93 was boring. I remember it started good but then just fizzled out. But Yoko winning was a surprise to me since I didn't think he was getting that kind of push that fast.
You see how Del is so agreeable and easy to get along with. He "agrees to disagree". That is not me. Fuck that. I will just keep disagreeing because I KNOW I'm right.
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Rock got the last move but Jericho didn't even have to say a thing
I know you'll keep disagreeing even when you've been bitched slapped j/k
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Rock got the last move but Jericho didn't even have to say a thing
I remember that but Rock hitting the Rock Bottom spoiled it for me a little. Still, that's them working together and magic happens when two great talkers work together. HHH, when he was working against Punk, didn't talk as a wrestler but as COO and didn't give Punk room to go back at him. He cut his promos like a babyface instead of a heel which sucked a little of the juice from Punk, who was fully face by then. The only good promos Cena has cut in years where while working with Punk. Jeff Hardy did his best mic work, working the Punk feud before he left. Outside the WWE bubble, Punk was a fantastic promo and that's something that sticks with guys their entire career so the difference isn't him, it's the environment.
I know you'll keep disagreeing even when you've been bitched slapped j/k
You ain't joking!
You say the rock bottom spoiled it but imo Jericho successfully pissed Rock off and Rock just snapped and was at a loss for words. Jericho admitted back in 2002 i believe when they were doing a retrospect that when he got owned by Rock & Taker the smart thing to do would be to watch what he said to some people, that was smart on his part and to his credit he still killed it on the mic. I really hate to do this but i give Cena his credit because he does seem to have thick skin especially given the absolute verbal destruction at the hands of Rock. I want to see Punk & Rock in a promo because as long as he doesn't do one he can claim he would kick his ass in a word battle.
btw: can we please show some love to the baddest chick in wrestling
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Naomi!!! 
I'm downloading Raw just to see Naomi again.
Naomi and the other girl had different outfits on. They had blue cheetah pants with a little mesh section on the hips and it looked like she wasn't wearing underwear. You could see Naomi's hips, thighs and a little side ass every time she moved. And they were getting good camera angles too. That shit was fuckin' awesome!!!
Naomi and the other girl had different outfits on. They had blue cheetah pants with a little mesh section on the hips and it looked like she wasn't wearing underwear. You could see Naomi's hips, thighs and a little side ass every time she moved. And they were getting good camera angles too. That shit was fuckin' awesome!!!
I'm downloading Raw just to see Naomi again.
Naomi and the other girl had different outfits on. They had blue cheetah pants with a little mesh section on the hips and it looked like she wasn't wearing underwear. You could see Naomi's hips, thighs and a little side ass every time she moved. And they were getting good camera angles too. That shit was fuckin' awesome!!!
On some real shit Naomi is the best shit on Raw.
I'm downloading Raw just to see Naomi again.
Naomi and the other girl had different outfits on. They had blue cheetah pants with a little mesh section on the hips and it looked like she wasn't wearing underwear. You could see Naomi's hips, thighs and a little side ass every time she moved. And they were getting good camera angles too. That shit was fuckin' awesome!!!
Missed it .... patiently await the youtube uploads
Good match between Bryan and Punk and the Jericho-Punk Road to Wrestlemania begins.
Since I've already missed Clay,Naomi and Cameron I guess there's no reason for me to watch the rest of this.
Since I've already missed Clay,Naomi and Cameron I guess there's no reason for me to watch the rest of this.
This shit too blurry, you really need the HD version to see:
Edit: A different video, still too blurry. Starts at :45
Edit: A different video, still too blurry. Starts at :45
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I love how Clay's opponent is always on the outside of the ring with the look on their face
look on their facei think a interesting payoff to the whole cena/kane angle is that next time cena comes out to save zack ryder and/or eve,they both turn on him and say they were in on the whole thing w/ kane all along..
I'd rather watch Cena win the belt for the 467th time than this bullshit they got goin...
They gave Taker some weave too?
He looks like Prince in Purple Rain
He looks like Prince in Purple Rain
