THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....
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They wildin right now.
Is it me or has EVERYONE stepped up their Social Media game as of late? More than likely they aren't writing these, but still!
I agree, but it will never happen. Too much money to be made going 3 hours vs only 2.
listening to a podcast on wrestling and they made the point old school gimmicks work at nxt but fail on the main roster (revival, acsencsion, vaudevillians, AOP, American alpha)
is because these gimmicks are doa or the fact that vince doesn't give about tag teams
when is the last time new day been on smackdown? what are the usos, good brothers and sanity up to?
They were over in NXT. WWE doesn't give enough time to develop a match. Their injuries have derailed them. The Revival would be great outside of WWE. Those are just the facts.
You're also catering to a different crowd in NXT. NXT audience is a bit more "inside", older in age and likes the "old school", whereas WWE audience is younger and has various tastes in wrestlers.
So what is over in NXT may not necessarily get over on the main roster regardless of how much they are pushed.
But John Cena is over and he is kept there by little kids. A "old school" gimmick is gonna be viewed by someone that isn't old enough to see that this has been done before. Why is it Cryme Time isn't old school? New Day isn't old school? The Uso's, etc... These gimmicks seem to be the only old school for white wrestlers. If I have to hear a black wrestler described as; "just wanting to have fun!" I am going to go insane!
The Vaudevilians wasn't going to work on the main roster and The Ascension sucked. They weren't that good at NXT to me. The Revival were hurt by injuries cause with them immediately beating New Day clean when they were called up maybe there were some plans for them. But by and large Vince doesn't give 2 fucks about tag teams. They did all that stuff with the B team and as soon as they dropped the belts they became an afterthought that doesn't get on Raw. All this TV time and so little development.
Funnily enough I remember Vince saying 2 hours is prime real estate to tell his stories. He said this during the Monday Night War. He rather 2 hours, but as you say the money thrown at him he couldn't care less about creating quality over quantity in terms of time.
I said this before. NXT is over-rated and is attracting people who aren't pleased with the main shows. The WWE audience being younger is flawed. Their median age is much older. The WWE is not attracting the younger audience anymore. They pushed away fans when they forced Cena on everyone and masked it by saying Cena was selling merch(which he was). The median age of fans today is 54 YEARS!!!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/blakeo...-fans-are-getting-older-but-why/#1ad24ae72059
WWE has seriously failed in creating mainstream pop culture stars like they use to in the 80's and 90's that drew the important 18-34 demographic.
What do you mean NXT is overrated? IMO its the best wrestling product being put out right now in the U.S. right now. They in ring product is top notch. They have top raided Indy talent lol. I enjoy the passion that Marro brings as a analyst. They product caters to wrestling fans. You're not watch ROH, Impact, Lucha Underground, MLW, if you're just a casual.
2 hours for Raw was ideal for Vince compared to when Raw was only 1 hour during the first half of the 90s.
I wouldn't call NXT overrated, but like I said it caters to a much different crowd than the typical WWE audience.
I don't know about the median WWE fan being 54. That source seems a bit flawed. They must be accounting for the live shows and the parents who are taking their kids to see the shows.
Watch an NXT show and you'll see almost all adults in the crowd. A WWE show will be larger of course and have a much higher percentage of kids in the crowd.
I agree about WWE not creating stars. The problem is everything now is so overproduced and scripted. Guys aren't allowed to really break out and become stars on their own like Stone Cold and The Rock.
It's overrated compared to what the WWE use to produce and the industry as a whole. The levels have dropped since the start of the millennium. I know WWE gets out of hand with the micromanaging on the major level, but it also can't be denied that just maybe WWE does that because they don't trust the talent. They don't trust the talent because of how they are grooming the talent in NXT. They are training them to do flips and monkey spots with no real coherent psychology. Some of these guys also lack actual charisma to draw people in as well.
For example let's look at Roman Reigns. Yes, they screwed up his push by pitting him originally as a face up against Daniel Bryan. They butchered the guy there, but Roman also didn't have the tools to handle the heat and overcome it like say past guys put into that spot. WWE has created a McDonald's pro wrestling which is coming back to haunt them.
The guys who were trained in OVW such as Lesnar, Cena, Orton, and so on were better seasoned when they came up on the main roster. They also had the legitimate legends around at that time to help these guys along in 2002 such as Hogan, Taker, Flair, etc. The workrate is there, but the psychology of working in synergy with the audience is severely lacking due to the wrestlers thinking that stringing a bunch of pointless moves together is telling a story.
WWE is also at fault as they seem to think every epic has to copy UT vs HBK from WM 25. The women I applaud as they did step up in NXT and came on board onto WWE RAW and Smackdown when given a chance delivered. Even that was more to do with fans giving them backlash that started with AJ Lee.
I get it that NXT is catering to the hardcore fan, but it is still an inferior product overall to what they use to produce with WCW, ECW, and WWE in the hey day. There is a reason a lot of them are flopping when they come onto the big level. Their psychology and charisma is lacking.
Yeah, 2 hours was better than 1 for Vince. However, Vince made the comment during the time Nitro was doing 3 hour broadcasts on TNT. Vince felt they were going to burn themselves out eventually with also doing monthly 3 hour ppv shows. It's just ironic Vince said that when Nitro had much more roster depth than what RAW has now.
My thing with NXT is that they are trying to turn it into something it shouldn't. They are trying to make it a 3rd brand to RAW and Smackdown instead of using it more for a training ground. For example, they had Samoa Joe start there which was ridiculous unless they wanted him there to help work with the youngsters. They had him start there because of their usual politics. The same with other guys like Brood. Compare that to how they treated AJ Styles. He came in as how should have and he is a star for them right now, while Samoa Joe and Brood are struggling.
NXT has failed to deliver WWE what OVW was delivering and that was the next crop of stars who could main event. Sure, The Shield came in and did well. However, look for all that push they got how far have they actually gone in being draws?
The age thing I think is accurate as I also seen it on The Bleacher Report too and their source wen even further back.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-ages-of-wwe-audience-shows-interesting-trend
What I don't understand with WWE is how they are actually going backwards with their promotion. What they are doing now is actually what they mocked WCW for. Aging guys in the title scene or main event legends taking over main show spots. I actually don't have a problem mixing, but I think WWE has relied on icons instead of trying to build new guys.
They took Reigns and pushed him over everyone at the expense of the whole roster and for what? He wasn't drawing like Cena who is also a downgrade of their traditional stars. He wasn't awing crowds with his matches as say HBK use to which excused him being pushed besides lack of drawing power in his physical prime of 1996.
They over script and over produce the show as you stated. You know there is a problem if today's way of doing business guys like Flair, Hogan, UT, Sting, Warrior, Steamboat, Savage, Dibiase, and so on would have trouble getting over due to how they are making the show. On the flip side they don't really have top notch guys at that level either, but if they don't let them sink or swim how are they going to get REAL new stars(Guys like Cena were forced and manufactured to the point where he was organically getting over they started to overproduce him).
Well alright then Sasha
Joe getting that push i see.
I been wondering where Amazing Red has been...
This will definitely be the match of the night. I also hope one of the next few things happen this weekend
1. They put the belt on Bianca (most likely won't happen, at least until Wrestlemania weekend NXT Takeover. Plus, Shayna got her stable
2. Velveteen gets into the Royal Rumble. Ain't like he got anything else to do this weekend
3. A surprise rumble winner (no Dean, Seth, Braun, Cena, Taker, or Batista. For the women no Charlotte)
4. Sasha actually wins (highly unlikely)
5. The women have 7 open RR spots. Let the new girls get a chance...no Lita, Trish, or any of the other legacy people from last year's RR
20:30 mark of the weigh-ins ...
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I definitely can see the Becky Lynch prediction happening but I feel like they have to find a way to get Charlotte in there because she's blonde and they are trying to force her on us like Reigns
Unlike Reigns, Charlotte has played heel and face. I don't see the two as being similar.
Flair, is actually talented as fuck but the fans are behind Becky.
Besides, they already have an option for Charlotte, she can/might face Asuka again at Mania for the title.
I hope they don't do a triple threat against Ronda.
I want to see Becky get her moment.
