THE WRESTLING THREAD: HHH KEEPS DOING HHH THINGS.....

[Upgrade Dave]

Why would Punk do it? The same people who were in place when he was there aren't in charge anymore. It seems like he's burned out so why go somewhere that seems even more physically demanding and for what would be pocket change?

A spoiler that isn't really a spoiler:
I am surprised by who the investor is and disappointed in a fucked up way cause they could do better than TNA.

I'm overjoyed MVP is in TNA. He's been off national tv for too long but I see it as a waste to have a guy in his prime in what looks like another executive role. He should be working for the mystery investor instead of being it but we'll see.
In a month, they've added The Wolves and MVP and new fresh talent is always a good thing.

Smart move by Antonio Banks to create and own the MVP character.

since the rock recently confirmed he'll be back for another GI Joe film,punk better tell him to put in a good word to the producers so that he could audition for Shipwreck

Sting vs Taker should be set up for next year's mania... WWE needs to tell sting go home and get in the best shape you can for the next few months, tell him to get on that DDP yoga shit and then hopefully after a few matches here and there he'll be in good condition to put on a semi decent match with Taker. Hell both of them should just retire after the match...

As for MVP... I mean seriously, doesn't do anything for me even when he was in WWE so I care less now to watch him wrestle and play this investor angle...

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Oh no. They shouldn't do it this year or next. They'll just be one year older and one year further from their primes. That match has been so blown up in fans' imaginations that it couldn't possibly live up to the hype. Bad backs and knees don't get better for two 50-yr olds. Both of them need younger, faster guys to work with.


Jim Ross has an interesting perspective

Jim Ross wrote a detailed blog on Punk's walkout at JRsBarBQ.com. In part, Ross wrote, "Recognizing when a talent is getting frayed around the edges is management's job. Once the problem is identified it is incumbent upon everyone involved in the equation to work together to solve the problem through compromise and respect but most of all communication. If the talent or the company is unwilling to compromise, then, most likely the problem won't be solved and, therefore, if a problem can't be solved there's only one other option to put in play and that is to eliminate the problem." It was a good read from the perspective of someone who has headed WWE's Talent Relations department.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Gunner cuts a pretty good promo. Hell, he got them to stop chanting "What?" angry: hate that shit) and start chanting "USA!" in Glasgow.

The Joe and Kurt video packages were great. Joe just comes across like a guy that beats people up for fun.

Not sure how you explain they had that footage from Samuel Shaw and Christy Hemme's date but that Shaw is a creepy fuck.

On the other hand, they did take the time to explain why Roode would help Magnus against AJ and Sting.

Ray vs Anderson is still good but I think they should have taken some of that time they gave to Dixie and that long ass segment she got last week and dedicated it to the hard hitting match Ray and Ken had the week before.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Not sure how you explain they had that footage from Samuel Shaw and Christy Hemme's date but that Shaw is a creepy fuck.

i think they setting it up to where the payoff to this will be that another wrestler comes in and saves her..

 

[Upgrade Dave]

i think they setting it up to where the payoff to this will be that another wrestler comes in and saves her..

It has to end in a match with someone or it's a waste of time.

I just want to know how they can explain that footage. Maybe Christy is being stalked by GTV.

 

[SadButTrue82]

Oh no. They shouldn't do it this year or next. They'll just be one year older and one year further from their primes. That match has been so blown up in fans' imaginations that it couldn't possibly live up to the hype. Bad backs and knees don't get better for two 50-yr olds. Both of them need younger, faster guys to work with.



I'm not looking at it as a great match, just a great spectacle. Fans aren't expecting a great match out of either of them on their own so i doubt anyone would be expecting anything special from the match but to not do the match would be a waste to fan service. You're only asking two old guys to train for their possible final match in wrestling. For one night I'm sure they could give a decent showing and just having both men in the ring against each other would make up for not having a great match.

Smart move having his own name but for me he's just another guy. He's not a name thats gonna move the dial in any direction for more than a few weeks. It's good that he's back in the states but he's an average wrestler at best with an average character to go with it

 

[Simply Sickenin']

 

[Alphachino]

Thats probably how it went down

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I'm not looking at it as a great match, just a great spectacle. Fans aren't expecting a great match out of either of them on their own so i doubt anyone would be expecting anything special from the match but to not do the match would be a waste to fan service. You're only asking two old guys to train for their possible final match in wrestling. For one night I'm sure they could give a decent showing and just having both men in the ring against each other would make up for not having a great match.

That might be good enough for you but the Taker match being great is as much a tradition as the match itself, going back as far as his match with Diesel. To do it just for the spectacle, you might as well just do it at SummerSlam.
The Taker match is a draw and for what they charge on ppv and live, it has to be top notch. You cant follow that Punk match from last year with a "decent" match this year.

Smart move having his own name but for me he's just another guy. He's not a name thats gonna move the dial in any direction for more than a few weeks. It's good that he's back in the states but he's an average wrestler at best with an average character to go with it

People like what they like but MVP was a very good wrestler before he went to New Japan and has only gotten better. If WWE still rewarded guys for improving and getting over, he should rightly be in one of the main event spots for this year's Mania.
Unless it's Rock, Cena, or maybe Brock, there is no one TNA can get that will move the dial so they just focus on bringing in good fresh talent and booking good storylines.
Seeing that they've had some of their biggest audiences in a while, whatever individuals might think, they're doing something that's working on a large scale.


The latest on Punk, WWE, and Mania

There were meetings with the creative team all week discussing different scenarios leading into Wrestlemania should CM Punk not return, as well as what to do with him if he does return.

The meetings were not a result of Punk walking out specifically, but also as a by-product of the fans rejecting segments and chanting for Daniel Bryan at the Royal Rumble. One source claimed that "anything is possible" at this point in regard to the Wrestlemania card and that with the exception of John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt, nothing should be considered official at this point.

There's also been a lot of back and forth discussion over Brock Lesnar's role going into Wrestlemania I am told. The initial plan had been to have Lesnar against Undertaker. That may or may not be the plan still, but they certainly teased Lesnar vs. Batista on Raw Monday.

Seeing how they had Bryan vs Sheamus penciled in and all the shows making it seem like Sheamus was due a heel turn (he's so much better as a heel), Sheamus looks like the guy who's going to come out worse off with Punk's walk out as Bryan will get HHH so where does that leave him? Catching a spear from Roman Reigns?

 

[SadButTrue82]

That might be good enough for you but the Taker match being great is as much a tradition as the match itself, going back as far as his match with Diesel. To do it just for the spectacle, you might as well just do it at SummerSlam.
The Taker match is a draw and for what they charge on ppv and live, it has to be top notch. You cant follow that Punk match from last year with a "decent" match this year.



People like what they like but MVP was a very good wrestler before he went to New Japan and has only gotten better. If WWE still rewarded guys for improving and getting over, he should rightly be in one of the main event spots for this year's Mania.
Unless it's Rock, Cena, or maybe Brock, there is no one TNA can get that will move the dial so they just focus on bringing in good fresh talent and booking good storylines.
Seeing that they've had some of their biggest audiences in a while, whatever individuals might think, they're doing something that's working on a large scale.

I think you're overvaluing Takers matches just a bit...I admit his matches have become a main attraction especially since he faced HBK but I doubt wrestlemania the ppv would suffer anything if for one year it was an average match between he and Sting because to me what you lose in a good match you've made up for by doing fan service which is to see those two icons in the ring together. Its not like everyone of Takers matches were great either, he's had a few yrs where his match was just on the card and if you actually built mania around the right talent and didnt act like you needed Takers match to sell then I doubt most people would care that Taker didn't have the best match on the show. The older stars should be marketed as a special attraction not a main attraction.

As for MVP, his wrestling has always improved but for me he was never really over as either being one of the good workers in the company or a good heel/face. He was just there. He'd have one good feud with Benoit and thats it. You can't put a guy in one of your top spots just cause he improves as a wrestler but doesnt get over with the fans. If that was the case guys like Swagger and Kofi could be in the same boat.

I won't say I like TNA's storylines especially anything with Dixie in it because she bothers me as much as HHH and Stephanie do. TNA will have to keep their "upswing" going for more than a few weeks before you can say they're doing something right...AJ and Sting I believe had the most to do with ratings and now both are gone so lets see what they do when they're without their top two guys. However if the ratings go down which I think they will I don't think that would mean TNA is doing something wrong just that it was a momentary boost to ratings and now they're back to the norm.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I think you're overvaluing Takers matches just a bit...I admit his matches have become a main attraction especially since he faced HBK but I doubt wrestlemania the ppv would suffer anything if for one year it was an average match between he and Sting because to me what you lose in a good match you've made up for by doing fan service which is to see those two icons in the ring together. Its not like everyone of Takers matches were great either, he's had a few yrs where his match was just on the card and if you actually built mania around the right talent and didnt act like you needed Takers match to sell then I doubt most people would care that Taker didn't have the best match on the show. The older stars should be marketed as a special attraction not a main attraction.

I'm not overvaluing it at all. WWE has undervalued it before, at their own loss. People who pay to see Mania don't want an okay match, they want an instant classic. He's had some stinkers but not in a long time.
I agree on how they should build Mania but they don't so we have what they do and what they do means not wasting such a highly coveted spot on a match that won't live up to the hype.

As for MVP, his wrestling has always improved but for me he was never really over as either being one of the good workers in the company or a good heel/face. He was just there. He'd have one good feud with Benoit and thats it. You can't put a guy in one of your top spots just cause he improves as a wrestler but doesnt get over with the fans. If that was the case guys like Swagger and Kofi could be in the same boat.

MVP improved in the ring and on the mic and was getting over as a heel from the really good Matt Hardy feud. You absolutely reward those guys and push them to see if they will get over. Not doing it is one of the reasons we have Orton and Cena main eventing year after year.
He was smart to leave WWE before they completely killed his character.

I won't say I like TNA's storylines especially anything with Dixie in it because she bothers me as much as HHH and Stephanie do. TNA will have to keep their "upswing" going for more than a few weeks before you can say they're doing something right...AJ and Sting I believe had the most to do with ratings and now both are gone so lets see what they do when they're without their top two guys. However if the ratings go down which I think they will I don't think that would mean TNA is doing something wrong just that it was a momentary boost to ratings and now they're back to the norm.

Sting and AJ have been there the entire time so they can only get so much credit. I can't say TNA's turned a ratings corner but they're doing something that's connecting. But even this recent bump has still been in their normal range.
I've thought for a long time that they need to spend more time building their house show attendance than worrying about tv because there is only so much they can do from their position.

 

[RiverCity]

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Dude's a fucking beast.

WWE is thick with talent in the ring but the people in the back are shit.

 

[Alphachino]

Id pay just to do his workout regimen for a year

 

[RealHipHop]

The have gotta stop holding Cesaro back!

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[ScottyPiffen745]

Cesaro and Ziggler should do the motion-capture for the games.

 

[tajshan]

looks like Naomi got hurt in her match with Oxanna for real(knee to the face)?

 

[Nochturnal]

looks like Naomi got hurt in her match with Oxanna for real(knee to the face)?

Yeah, she caught her with a good one.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

will hate to see what happen when Raw is in Chicago on march 3rd.. they going to be muting the hell out of the audience

 

[Upgrade Dave]

looks like Naomi got hurt in her match with Oxanna for real(knee to the face)?

Folks were leaning in on shit last night. Reigns got popped by Big E and Christian stiffed Jack Swagger and busted his lip. That's coming off Darren Young getting his mouth busted last week on SD. It ain't ballet, for real.


Titus O'Neil's turn has been better than Broadus Clay's or just about anyone's in the last few months but they should have let him cut a promo. The followup promo is just as important as the initial act.

Nice video for Ernie Ladd, too bad they didn't show any of his promos but I didn't expect them to. The guy was not built for 2014 sensibilities.

 

[NightMare Paint]

Folks were leaning in on shit last night. Reigns got popped by Big E and Christian stiffed Jack Swagger and busted his lip. That's coming off Darren Young getting his mouth busted last week on SD. It ain't ballet, for real.


Titus O'Neil's turn has been better than Broadus Clay's or just about anyone's in the last few months but they should have let him cut a promo. The followup promo is just as important as the initial act.

Titus turned? man I need to check my DVR

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Titus turned? man I need to check my DVR

Do so. It was good.

Cena has a legit eye injury from an Orton match and they keep him off tv.
They find ways to fuck up in the E. Him getting hurt by Orton would add heat to their issue and the EC.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

 

[Nochturnal]

Naomi's eye after Raw

 

[Alphachino]

Naomi's eye after Raw

I thought that shit looked legit, she was holding her eye too damn long. Props to her for finishing as intended. That uso is a lucky man

 

[NightMare Paint]

Do so. It was good.

Cena has a legit eye injury from an Orton match and they keep him off tv.
They find ways to fuck up in the E. Him getting hurt by Orton would add heat to their issue and the EC.

You were right. I legitimately felt bad they broke them up. I didn't know I cared that much about PTP

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I thought that shit looked legit, she was holding her eye too damn long. Props to her for finishing as intended. That uso is a lucky man

When the knee hit, Naomi's whole everything just stopped and she started holding her eye so you knew it was bad. The same shit happened with Roman Reigns and Big E earlier.

You were right. I legitimately felt bad they broke them up. I didn't know I cared that much about PTP

Darren played the "sympathetic partner that doesn't see it coming" role to perfection. Both of these guys have the talent and intellect to be stars (Titus should be right behind Reigns when they're handing out pushes to young guys).
Titus, like Mark Henry, talks better on his own than anything they script for him.
"I thought you wanted to talk!!!"
He needs to work in that move on the floor when he grabs their head and slams them into the ring barrier. That shit was crazy.

The real loser in this:


JTG. You know Darren's going to end up on the JOB Squad and they don't need both of them. There's plenty of room for a bunch of jobbing White boys but not two Black jobbers AND Kofi and Woods.

 

[NightMare Paint]

JTG is still there?!

 

[fu2]

she sees us

 

[chemist]

she sees us

AJ's shorts are usually so tight that you can't see anything but in this match against Bayley her shorts are really loose and @ 1:02 and 1:58 she shows some good cheek.

 

[gotay]

 

[Simply Sickenin']

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

is that Tamina outside the ring like

 

[chemist]

is that Tamina outside the ring like

That's her square lower body hatin' ass in the background.

 

[dtownsfinest]

Naomi is seriously the greatest thing to happen to the womens division in a long time.

 

[c_commander]

AJ's shorts are usually so tight that you can't see anything but in this match against Bayley her shorts are really loose and @ 1:02 and 1:58 she shows some good cheek.

Bayley looks like she has a solid body as well. Right now the women's matches and character development is better on NXT than in the WWE. And they have some lookers over there as well.

Also congratulations to Edge and Beth Phoenix who just had their first child.