Exactly. He wants to keep his WWE relationship (and paycheck), but wants the freedom to wrestle in Japan. Plus his wife is probably in his ear too, she ain't about to burn her WWE bridge
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I could see that. I guess my point was he's not contractually (legally) obligated to go through WWE in order to work in Japan, so why does he care.Exactly. He wants to keep his WWE relationship (and paycheck), but wants the freedom to wrestle in Japan. Plus his wife is probably in his ear too, she ain't about to burn her WWE bridge
He figures if he were to go to AEW, there's no coming back to WWE. No one yet has made the jump from AEW to WWE.
Ever watch Shark Tank episodes where a business owner gets two sharks to jump in together to offer a deal thus making it much sweeter?
Bryan is probably doing the same.
He probably has more bargaining power if two companies work together versus just going directly to NJPW.
As far as talent jumping to WWE from AEW, keep in mind All Elite Wrestling has only been around for less than 3 years. I'm pretty sure their contracts are in the 3-5 year range.
Yeah, give it time. Someone will eventually jump from AEW to WWE.
Probably not a former WWE wrestler though unless they want to humble themselves and take less money than they were making in WWE.
MJF.
If I had money on anyone jumping from AEW to WWE, it would be him.
Even with all of AEWs success, WWE is still the global wrestling juggernaut and I can see MJF, as he continues to groom himself as a top heel talent, jump ship to get to a larger audience. WWE is not only a wrestling company it's also a launching pad for other opportunities; Hollywood.
Remember AEW is lucky to break 1 million viewers on Dynamite.
Raw, as shitty as it's been, does around 1.5 million viewers on average.
Put MJF on Smackdown on FOX, that would give him ridiculous exposure he wouldn't see on TBS/TNT.
MJF will be in WWE (whether owned by the McMahon's or not) somewhere in the next 5 years.
The only problem is MJF would have to water down his character BIG TIME in order to fit in with WWE and their PG programming.
No cursing and tone down the edgy promos that make him such a great heel.
Maybe he would be willing to do it though if WWE throws enough money at him.
Hell, he's already done a lot of the stupid shit Jericho has him doing.
Money talks bruh. If he wants to be the biggest name in the business, he'll have to.
Dude has charisma and can definitely be a the top name in the business. If he wants to be on The Rock's level someday, he'll have to tone down his character.
Then again, cursing on regular cable is a recent thing. Give it time and his edgy (by today's standards) promos may be normal in a few years.
I doubt that. He negotiated a big money deal in his last WWE contract renewal. He was set until 2023 making at least a mil a year.
Why would he leave all that money on the table just to go to AEW and hang out with Mark Henry?
He wants to go back to bodybuilding, but he can't do that on the road as a wrestler. It only makes sense that he asked to be released because if Vince was worried he would go to AEW, he probably wouldn't have did it.
Plus Braun dissed indie wrestling specifically about the money because at the start of the pandemic, it was indie wrestlers having to start GoFundMes and shit.
Vince saves money while they're cutting costs, Braun goes off happy, and then when he comes back he'll probably be swole as fuck and Vince will push him to the moon.
mjf would get cut at the knees if he went the wwe as currently constituted. His promos would get watered down and written for him. He isnt the biggest guy so his ceiling would be the mid card.
all things being equal he and some of the core AEW (Kenny, Bucks, MJF) should never go to wwe
all things being equal he and some of the core AEW (Kenny, Bucks, MJF) should never go to wwe
Yeah, my worry is that MJF would go to WWE and get lost in the "land of the giants" as the saying used to go back in the day.
He's not that big so they might fuck around and have him in a manager spot rather than a top wrestler spot.
You see how WWE treats its smaller wrestlers like shit.
What makes you believe WWE contracts are guaranteed?
They don't have a Union like the MLB or NBA.
Their contracts protect the WWE, not the contract employee.
Braun isn't going to see the money he's sniffed in bodybuilding or strong man.
He'll be in AEW before the end of the year.
Is there that much money to be made in bodybuilding?
Even if he won every competition, there's no way he could make the kind of money he made with WWE or going to AEW that he could in bodybuilding. Maybe it's just an itch he wants to scratch, but he'll eventually come back to wrestling.
You're going by today's WWE. The landscape and company could be very different in five years.
I never said he'll go now. In Five years, could definitely see it.
I didn't say they were guaranteed, I'm saying he's leaving money on the table.
Why would he leave millions on the table?
What could AEW do for him that WWE couldn't do? He's a top guy in the biggest company, and Vince would give him whatever money he wanted. Why else?
Simply put, he's not fulfilled as a wrestler. It's not about the money.
I doubt there's a whole lot of money in it. It's probably just an itch, something he don't wanna regret never pursuing when he's old.
Plus he's only missing out on the most creatively inept period of WWE writing and booking.
He'll be back in a like a year or two in time to get a few of them Saudi paychecks to make up for any losses.
Braun has no table. It's been pulled away from him once he was fired by WWE.
You're only worth what someone is willing to pay you.
What governing body in bodybuilding is going to pay him a million a year?
Braun was cut due to reasons only known to those in charge of WWE, but it sounds like they wanted to cut their staff and save on salaries they were paying to talent that wasn't doing much of anything.
He isn't leaving anything on the table, he has no table. The company owned the table, Braun was just eating from it.
He has to find another table now.
Braun could go from Ruth Chris (WWE) to Outback (AEW). Or he could settle for Steak N Shake (bodybuilding).
Shit on them as much as you want but I'm willing to bet the food at Outback is better than Steak N Shake.
Yeah I agree, and his contract is up soon I think. But he's waaaaaaay to small to make an impact in wwe, plus they already have a miz, and he's bigger than him...
Height: 5′ 11″
Full name: Maxwell T. Friedman
Weight: 226 lbs
Miz
Height: 6′ 2″
Full name: Michael Gregory Mizanin
The Miz is 40.
MJF is 25.
WWE has run with smaller stars as top talent in the past (Daniel Bryan). In five years, (with or without Vince at the top of the company) things will be different.
And MJF will be coming into the peak of his career.
He was presented like such a beast in Lucha Underground. He needs to lose some weight though, saw a recent promo pic of his. Funny thing he's actually not even that tall.
I'm interested to see where MLW goes with their Vice TV deal. They could be a dark horse...
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DB was/is the exception that proves the rule.
Look at Finn, Kofi, Gulag, Gable, Mustafa Ali, Ricochet, Murphy and countless others to see what the WWE does with average sized wrestlers. It's also the reason Champa and Garnoga prefer being NXT lifers. If the get called up they'll be chasing R -Truth for 24/7 title and headlining Main Event.
maybe things change in 5 years but I am skeptical if is still in charge
I agree... The numbers speak volumes. At least overall.
By releasing Braun who was in the main event of a PPV two weeks ago, Billie Kay and Samoa Joe two days after they were on WM, Black who had been featured in vignettes for a new gimmick for weeks, who also just returned on that same PPV in a title match and was just made new theme music for, and Ruby who was just on SD with Liv like last week - they get released vs. Keith Lee, Mia Yim, Slapjack, Bray and etc. who we haven't seen in MONTHS.
You really think Vince gave Braun a million a year just to be like "you ain't worth no damn M's, get tf outta here! Go to AEW then, you think I give a fuck!?"
Wasn't doing much of anything? That's hysterical considering they just had Black cost Big E the IC title and now they gotta act like that shit didn't even happen. Two weeks ago!
WWE was a talent hoarder.
Do you really think Vince signed Braun because he thought he was worth 1 million a year? It was more like he was signed to such a high value contract because he didn't want Braun (and others) to go to AEW or any other competitor at the time.
Last two years Vince was giving talent ridiculous contracts, signing everyone they could to stop them from going to AEW.
Notice how now that AEW has basically showed their cards, being on air for two years, WWE has been open to letting people go and trimming their roster.
Braun can demand 1 million a year because of what his previous deal was, but he isn't going to get that. WWE overpaid him (and others) so they wouldn't go to the competion.
Once they saw their competition wasn't really competition, they freed up talent and started letting people go.
Where was Black before his run in a few weeks ago? Plans change in business all the time, especially in Wrestling.
Black hasn't been on TV since last winter/fall, shows up a few weeks ago for a run in....now fired.
Again, Black was doing next to nothing.
Braun is surprising because he was recently in marquee/title matches at Wrestlemania and Wrestlemania Backlash, but Black was basically forgotten.
Also, easier to repackage Slapjack and others not regularly seen as top stars. Especially when they aren't signed to higher deals dated back to when WWE was doing all their talent hoarding.
Bray Wyatt is ruined though, wouldn't surprise me if he's let go as well.
some ppl got cut cause they werent being used (Garret)
some ppl get cut cause they want out (Murphy)
some ppl get cut to make room for new talent (Riot)
some ppl get cut cause they've outlived their usefulness (Lana)
I dont think Braun fits in this category
I think they legit caught Braun, a main eventer, a true monster giant, a former world champ...based on his salary. I dont think he wanted out. I number cruncher did the math and included he was expendable from a bottom line perspective
Braun & Black are the 2 most shocking cuts I can ever remember happening during my time invested in WWE
some ppl get cut cause they want out (Murphy)
some ppl get cut to make room for new talent (Riot)
some ppl get cut cause they've outlived their usefulness (Lana)
I dont think Braun fits in this category
I think they legit caught Braun, a main eventer, a true monster giant, a former world champ...based on his salary. I dont think he wanted out. I number cruncher did the math and included he was expendable from a bottom line perspective
Braun & Black are the 2 most shocking cuts I can ever remember happening during my time invested in WWE
Even if the Dark Order were to be serious again they're still full of jobbers. I'd rather see him show up on his own and begin to torture and bother Darby Allin and Sting with some type of mind games eventually leading to a lengthy feud.
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In 5 years, Vince will either still be alive or dead with HHH having a heavy hand in running things.
I know HHH has backed off a little from his love of big guys, but he's not too far off from Vince in that regard.
Daniel Bryan was definitely the exception and they very reluctantly gave him a push and eventually the title.
Kofi Kingston is in the same category. WWE will always be the land of the giants as long as Vince or HHH are running things.
If I'm a talent coming from WWE, I would want NOTHING to do with the Dark Order. That group should have been cancelled long time ago.
They're a bunch of jokes. Seems like they're only continuing it as a tribute to Brodie Lee and because they have a bit of a following on YouTube.
Braun more so than Black (to me.)
While talented, Black's look isn't that of someone a publically traded company would want as their top talent. His appearance gave him a ceiling. Dude's body is covered with Satanic imagery. Sounds dumb but it is what it is.
Hell, he wasn't allowed to go to Saudi because of the demon tattoos on his body.
Yeah I know, some will mention Undertaker....big difference between the two.
I have more faith in Trips than vince based on NXT track record
but until i see otherwise the WWE champ will be dominated by big dudes
Universal Champs
Finn
Owens
Goldberg
Brock
Reigns
Brock
Seth (on the low Seth aint that small)
Brock
Seth
Bray
Goldberg
Straumen
Reigns
WWE Champs working backwards
Bobby
Miz (transition champ)
McIntyre
Orton
McInntyre
Brock
Kofi
DB
AJ
Jinder
Randy
Bray
Cena
etc
Guess no one paying attention to what the WWE it up to, they sold the Network and it's library the have been releasing office staff as well as talent installed Nick Khan as WWE President who they are saying is the one behind the company leaning up, all the things you do when your trying to sell your company. 
They did not sell their library. They signed a streaming/licensing deal to with Peacock.Guess no one paying attention to what the WWE it up to, they sold the Network and it's library the have been releasing office staff as well as talent installed Nick Khan as WWE President who they are saying is the one behind the company leaning up, all the things you do when your trying to sell your company.
WWE still owns their library.
We've spent the last SEVERAL pages discussing all this. Look it up. I've been saying that WWE is probably going to be sold off soon.Guess no one paying attention to what the WWE it up to, they sold the Network and it's library the have been releasing office staff as well as talent installed Nick Khan as WWE President who they are saying is the one behind the company leaning up, all the things you do when your trying to sell your company.