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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtnZrg26OU&feature=channel_page

I was watching this video and found it to be some what interesting. Whats talked about in the video is how many blacks insist on being ambassadors or representatives for the race. One of the main points that was made in this video is something that I deeply agree with. What was said was "You can't be free if you have to be what someone else wants you to be." Give the video a look and let me know your opinions.
 
I love the part where he talks about other races having sub-cultures. You're immediatly looked at as "different" if break away from mainstream black culture even slightly.
 
Interesting video. This has been discussed a million times, he is right. However, the problem is the perception of what black is or supposed to be is so overwhelming its hard to break free of it.
 
if you know who you are then it doesnt matter what other people think...at least to me it doesnt...when i wake up in the morning prepare myself for the day and face the world im not going to represent a whole race of people...i represent myself and my family...anyone who looks at me or anyone and expects them to represent an entire race deserves that ignorant viewpoint...:)
 
LennyNero1972 said:
Interesting video. This has been discussed a million times, he is right. However, the problem is the perception of what black is or supposed to be is so overwhelming its hard to break free of it.
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The only way to do this would to openly reject the belief that blacks must act as some type of monolith.
 
Nevsky said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtnZrg26OU&feature=channel_page

I was watching this video and found it to be some what interesting. Whats talked about in the video is how many blacks insist on being ambassadors or representatives for the race. One of the main points that was made in this video is something that I deeply agree with. What was said was "You can't be free if you have to be what someone else wants you to be." Give the video a look and let me know your opinions.
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I am going to write it again, like i have always been doing, "Black people don't belong to a race", "Black people were told by white people that practice racism/white supremacy that they belong to a race". What is the definition of culture? Why should a culture be sub? Culture is simply what you do at the time that you are doing it. That is what culture is. In regard to black people not being free, this is true but not because we perpetuate stereo types but because we are functioning in a system of racism white supremacy. Replace racism/white supremacy with justice and all non white people will be free. oNE!!!
 
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kefta said:
I am going to write it again, like i have always been doing, "Black people don't belong to a race", "Black people were told by white people that practice racism/white supremacy that they belong to a race". What is his definition of culture? Why should a culture be sub? Culture is simply what you do at the time that you are doing it. That is what culture is. In regard to black people not being free, this is true but not because we perpetuate stereo types but because we are functioning in a system of racism white supremacy. Replace racism/white supremacy with justice and all non white people will be free. oNE!!!
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Interesting. However I do disagree to an extent. Although white racism and ignorance are what put these stereotypes in place. Black Americans certainly to perpetuate and maintain them. I feel that is the real problem. Once we can break that bastardized and backwards mindset that every black person must be the same, I think we will see progress. If blacks break the cycle first whites may eventually get used to not judging as a whole...but even if they don't it wont make a difference, because this isnt about whites. This is about blacks allowing each other to live their lives how they see fit. Win, win either way.
 
Peace,

You know what we should do? We should completely overlook the fact that black kinship was born out of necessity. We should run away from the idea of black solidarity, misidentify it as some sort of 'follow-the-leader' groupthink, and pursue the American ideal of individualism. That should work great :hmm:
 
Nevsky said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtnZrg26OU&feature=channel_page

I was watching this video and found it to be some what interesting. Whats talked about in the video is how many blacks insist on being ambassadors or representatives for the race. One of the main points that was made in this video is something that I deeply agree with. What was said was "You can't be free if you have to be what someone else wants you to be." Give the video a look and let me know your opinions.
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"The Problem with Black folks"
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The problem with black folks are the people who say "The Problem with Black folks" along with a long list of other things.

Why cant we have a thread about "The solution for black folks problems is...",we as in you,me,everyone of us do us an injustice by always talking about our problems without even toying around with idea's of some type of solution.Whats the point of bringing up the samethings over and over again?how about you start by being "different",be positive and do the opposite of whats normaly talked about.
 
34real said:
The problem with black folks are the people who say "The Problem with Black folks" along with a long list of other things.

Why cant we have a thread about "The solution for black folks problems is...",we as in you,me,everyone of us do us an injustice by always talking about our problems without even toying around with idea's of some type of solution.Whats the point of bringing up the samethings over and over again?how about you start by being "different",be positive and do the opposite of whats normaly talked about.
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I see nothing wrong with the title. Lets not be so sensitive. To solve the problem it must first be identified and named, then solutions can be found...and I have give my solution.
 
Ill Paragraph said:
Peace,

You know what we should do? We should completely overlook the fact that black kinship was born out of necessity. We should run away from the idea of black solidarity, misidentify it as some sort of 'follow-the-leader' groupthink, and pursue the American ideal of individualism. That should work great :hmm:
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Where?
 
KCDevil said:
I love the part where he talks about other races having sub-cultures. You're immediatly looked at as "different" if break away from mainstream black culture even slightly.
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THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE..THATS WHY I DONT FIND IT SURPRISING THAT CATS ON THIS SITE WILL RIDICULE AN ARTIST OR PHILANTROPIST DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WILL LOOK AT PICS OF LETS SAY A KANYE AND SCREAM GAY JUST BCOS HE'S NOT WEARING PACO JEANS..WHAT IS "BLACK" CULTURE ANYWAY FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS ITS BEEN DICTATED BY BIG CORPORATIONS AND SOLD TO YOU..YOU FORCE THEM INTO A ONE TRACK MIND AND THEN YOU TAKE CONTROL OF THAT TRACK AND LAY OUT THE COURSE, AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHAT TO SELL BACK TO EM..POP CULTURE DICTATES "BLACK" CULTURE WHEN IT USED TO BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND..LIKE RAPPER NAS SAID FROM THE BELLY OF THE BEAST IN HIS SONG 'SLY FOX' "YA BRAIN HOLDS A SLAVE CULTURE GAME OVER".
 
NoodleArmWhimsy said:
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE..THATS WHY I DONT FIND IT SURPRISING THAT CATS ON THIS SITE WILL RIDICULE AN ARTIST OR PHILANTROPIST DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WILL LOOK AT PICS OF LETS SAY A KANYE AND SCREAM GAY JUST BCOS HE'S NOT WEARING PACO JEANS..WHAT IS "BLACK" CULTURE ANYWAY FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS ITS BEEN DICTATED BY BIG CORPORATIONS AND SOLD TO YOU..YOU FORCE THEM INTO A ONE TRACK MIND AND THEN YOU TAKE CONTROL OF THAT TRACK AND LAY OUT THE COURSE, AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHAT TO SELL BACK TO EM..POP CULTURE DICTATES "BLACK" CULTURE WHEN IT USED TO BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND..LIKE RAPPER NAS SAID FROM THE BELLY OF THE BEAST IN HIS SONG 'SLY FOX' "YA BRAIN HOLDS A SLAVE CULTURE GAME OVER".
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This was the point from the very start. Many blacks see other blacks that don't tow the same line as them to be some type of threat. This to me is ridiculous and is something that should be moved away from.
 
Nevsky said:
Interesting. However I do disagree to an extent. Although white racism and ignorance are what put these stereotypes in place. Black Americans certainly to perpetuate and maintain them. I feel that is the real problem. Once we can break that bastardized and backwards mindset that every black person must be the same, I think we will see progress. If blacks break the cycle first whites may eventually get used to not judging as a whole...but even if they don't it wont make a difference, because this isnt about whites. This is about blacks allowing each other to live their lives how they see fit. Win, win either way.
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"white racism"..interesting, does that mean that there is also "black racism"? In my opinion there is only one race and that is the white race that practices racism/white supremacy. Racism is white supremacy and white supremacy is racism. What is a stereotype and how do black people maintain them? You first have to have a clear and accurate understanding of the context in which these stereotypes are perpetuated. Let's say that all black males stopped sagging their jeans and that we all wore fitting pants and shirts, will the system of racism/white supremacy stop existing? I know that we need to change our behavior but we first have to know the reason why we are changing our behavior. In other words in order to achieve what? Black folks, whether one is a lawyer or a basketball player, they both are subject to what i refer to as racism/white supremacy. oNE!!!
 
kefta said:
"white racism"..interesting, does that mean that there is also "black racism"? In my opinion there is only one race and that is the white race that practices racism/white supremacy. Racism is white supremacy and white supremacy is racism. What is a stereotype and how do black people maintain them? You first have to have a clear and accurate understanding of the context in which these stereotypes are perpetuated. Let's say that all black males stopped sagging their jeans and that we all wore fitting pants and shirts, will the system of racism/white supremacy stop existing? I know that we need to change our behavior but we first have to know the reason why we are changing our behavior. In other words in order to achieve what? Black folks, whether one is a lawyer or a basketball player, they both are subject to what i refer to as racism/white supremacy. oNE!!!
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I believe that blacks can be racist. The difference is that when black person is racist against others...it doesn't amount to shit. Unless of course this same black person decided to attack memebers of x race on the streets. So no I don't feel racism is limited to just white supremacy. However in general that is usually what it means in this society.

What is a stereotype and how do black people maintain them? You first have to have a clear and accurate understanding of the context in which these stereotypes are perpetuated. Let's say that all black males stopped sagging their jeans and that we all wore fitting pants and shirts, will the system of racism/white supremacy stop existing?
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Stereotyping in the sense that many blacks insist that other blacks are to behave in a monolithic way. This is something we most certainly do perpetuate. Now if blacks were to stop doing this would it end white supremacy? No it wouldn't. White supremacy will remain no matter what to those that want to practice it.

I know that we need to change our behavior but we first have to know the reason why we are changing our behavior. In other words in order to achieve what?
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The goal is ultimately to accept one another despite differences. This can't happen unless blacks allow one another to live and let live so to speak.

Black folks, whether one is a lawyer or a basketball player, they both are subject to what i refer to as racism/white supremacy
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This was never in question.
 
NoodleArmWhimsy said:
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE..THATS WHY I DONT FIND IT SURPRISING THAT CATS ON THIS SITE WILL RIDICULE AN ARTIST OR PHILANTROPIST DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WILL LOOK AT PICS OF LETS SAY A KANYE AND SCREAM GAY JUST BCOS HE'S NOT WEARING PACO JEANS..WHAT IS "BLACK" CULTURE ANYWAY FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS ITS BEEN DICTATED BY BIG CORPORATIONS AND SOLD TO YOU..YOU FORCE THEM INTO A ONE TRACK MIND AND THEN YOU TAKE CONTROL OF THAT TRACK AND LAY OUT THE COURSE, AND THEN YOU'LL KNOW WHAT TO SELL BACK TO EM..POP CULTURE DICTATES "BLACK" CULTURE WHEN IT USED TO BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND..LIKE RAPPER NAS SAID FROM THE BELLY OF THE BEAST IN HIS SONG 'SLY FOX' "YA BRAIN HOLDS A SLAVE CULTURE GAME OVER".
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c/s
 
I guess i am lucky race has only an academic interest to me. I more consumed with other issues than race. People's actions and moral code influence how i view people more than race.
 
Nevsky said:
Wrong on all accounts. I just find it to be an intersting subject. One that doesn't get that much light in my opinion.
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Dude, every 5th thread on this board is a one of those "the problem with Black folks" type threads. You must NEVER post here.


Nevsky said:
This was the point from the very start. Many blacks see other blacks that don't tow the same line as them to be some type of threat. This to me is ridiculous and is something that should be moved away from.
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Dude, that's every group. Look at the Italians, Jews, and everybody else. Most of the stuff they do is based on traditions and cultural norms. That's why they dominate certain fields like Banking, medicine, and everything else. There's certain jobs that they DONT want their kids doing, which is why you don't see a lot of them in sports. That's why you saw John Gotti telling his grandson on video, when he wanted to be a baseball player, that only scumbags and drunks and lowlifes are baseball players.

Their parents frown upon them marrying somebody from a different race or faith as them, which is why it seems like every few weeks, you see some blonde Hollywood starlet converting to Judaism, just so she can marry some Jewish banker/director/lawyer and make HIS mother happy.

To act as if only Blacks have cultural norms is stupid. We have a long and proud tradition, which may dictate what fashions, music, cultures we gravitate to.

Only lost White(disconnected from their European roots) in this country have this complete "individualistic" mentality, which is what allows them to completely wrap themselves in the American flag, while putting a foot in everybody else's ass.
 
The problem with black folks is that every opportunity we talk about the problem with black folks....sheesh.
 
The central problem is that we have allowed arachic ways to still divide us. Looking at each other in an ethnic manner creates the problem that will never be solved. Culture and ethnicites are two different things. Since we chose the view each other as ethnicites we take away any chance of actually learning about ourselves and bridging the gaps that divide us. Cultural at least in america we live just as everyone else does in this countries. Since that is the case then instead of embracing that we look for the differences and that is racial. Which actually doesn't amount to much, but we allow it too. So the way I see it. Everytime a black person gripes about the white man he is admitting defeat cause he is taking on the view point of the machine that divides us and keeps us divided.

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Nevsky said:
The only way to do this would to openly reject the belief that blacks must act as some type of monolith.
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I know that, the problem is the negative perception of blacks in this country is so strong, it extremely difficult to shake. We even put constant pressure on ourselves, to "look good" for everybody.
 
Nevsky said:
Interesting. However I do disagree to an extent. Although white racism and ignorance are what put these stereotypes in place. Black Americans certainly to perpetuate and maintain them. I feel that is the real problem. Once we can break that bastardized and backwards mindset that every black person must be the same, I think we will see progress. If blacks break the cycle first whites may eventually get used to not judging as a whole...but even if they don't it wont make a difference, because this isnt about whites. This is about blacks allowing each other to live their lives how they see fit. Win, win either way.
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That would be true in a perfect world. Racism is not happenstance, it is policy. We cannot get it together until certain hard questions are answered. We really still don't even know who we are.
 
Nevsky said:
The only way to do this would to openly reject the belief that blacks must act as some type of monolith.
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Co-sign... in fact a lot of black folx are hostile towards anyone or any ideas that break away from the "black orthodoxy".
 
Ill Paragraph said:
Peace,

You know what we should do? We should completely overlook the fact that black kinship was born out of necessity. We should run away from the idea of black solidarity, misidentify it as some sort of 'follow-the-leader' groupthink, and pursue the American ideal of individualism. That should work great :hmm:
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No, I don't think that was the point being made here bruh. Practicing solidarity and recognizing kinship due to shared history doesn't mean that each "black person" should, to the degree of minutiae, share the same tastes, interests, aspirations, lifestyle, and social, economic, and religious views.

I believe that was the point. It is true that it is necessary that "black people" see themselves united in a common struggle that affects us all before any real unity and mobilization for change will continue (I say continue because circumstances and the complexities of "the struggle" have changed, and change has been made from decades ago). But that common purpose mustn't be pursued in such a way that it destroys or even condemns the character of the individual. There is little relief for a body whose yoke has been cast off but whose soul is still shackled by the chains of conformity.
 
The Amerikkkan Idol


Dude, every 5th thread on this board is a one of those "the problem with Black folks" type threads. You must NEVER post here.
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As of recently I'm really starting to see that. Especially the anti black woman bullshit. However the title came from the video. I was only sharing a video that I believed had an interesting point of view. I was interested to see what others would think about it. Nothing more than that.

Dude, that's every group. Look at the Italians, Jews, and everybody else. Most of the stuff they do is based on traditions and cultural norms.
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Jews are more of the extreme end. Can't really compare them to blacks. However this behavior is seen in other "bound" cultures, blacks are the only group that I know of to really put ourselves within a box so to speak. If a black person does something out of the "black mainstream" many are quick to criticise or say "they arent black". Regardless of what others are doing I feel it is something that needs to die within our community. Ultimately it will only cause strife within us (or add to it).



That's why they dominate certain fields like Banking, medicine, and everything else. There's certain jobs that they DONT want their kids doing, which is why you don't see a lot of them in sports.
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Usually it's not a career choice that blacks make a big deal of. Blacks tend to make an issue out of the personal life style choices of other blacks, or their personal tastes. Hell even fashion. To me it seems to be magnified in our community even though it exists to a lesser degree in others. I mean what gives one black person the right to judge another black person for what they like?

That's why you saw John Gotti telling his grandson on video, when he wanted to be a baseball player, that only scumbags and drunks and lowlifes are baseball players.
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How many people even hold that view? If anything I see alot of those italian players being celebrated.


Their parents frown upon them marrying somebody from a different race or faith as them, which is why it seems like every few weeks, you see some blonde Hollywood starlet converting to Judaism, just so she can marry some Jewish banker/director/lawyer and make HIS mother happy.
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Blacks tend to be some what split down the middle when it comes to interracial themes. However at the end of the day we still have no right to dictate how a stranger should live their life. If it was a relative it would make a little more sense, but people are going to do what they want regardless.

To act as if only Blacks have cultural norms is stupid. We have a long and proud tradition, which may dictate what fashions, music, cultures we gravitate to.
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The issue was never black "cultural norms". The issue was with villifying those who don't always engage in them. Or think outside of these "norms". At the end of the day people gravitate towards what fits in with their personal taste. To demonize someone or make them an outcast is foolish. It's just like what the fellow in the video said "You can't be free if you have you let yourself be a slave to what someone else wants" and thats the truth.

Only lost White(disconnected from their European roots) in this country have this complete "individualistic" mentality, which is what allows them to completely wrap themselves in the American flag, while putting a foot in everybody else's ass.
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Although it was whites that first brought this concept on, many blacks also engage in this as well these days. Much of that is a result of the decline of the black "community". Many blacks hold onto the concept of "everyman for himself" these days. I can't say this mentality is right or wrong. Just a different ideology I suppose.
 
LennyNero1972 said:
I know that, the problem is the negative perception of blacks in this country is so strong, it extremely difficult to shake. We even put constant pressure on ourselves, to "look good" for everybody.
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Thats a waste of time. You can't please everyone...nor should you try. The only thing you can do is live your life. If blacks would accept this fact it would prove to be a tremendous burden being released.
 
LennyNero1972 said:
That would be true in a perfect world. Racism is not happenstance, it is policy. We cannot get it together until certain hard questions are answered. We really still don't even know who we are.
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This thread really isnt about how white view us nor is it about getting them to view us in a better light.
 

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