The Official "Stormpay Situation thread"

[King D]

Im sure most of ya'll know whats been going on between 12Daily Pro and Stormpay.

I just got a mass e-mail today from Stormpay saying something about voided accounts and I got a negative account balance.

Im glad that I didn’t have a lot of dough in Stormpay, but im expecting about a couple of hundred bucks into my SP account soon. My guess is shit will be fucked up. If any of ya’ll have funds deposited in Stormpay, I would advise you to pull them out NOW!

A few peeps on the Stormpay boards were complaining about loosing their money and have contacted alot of agencies including the F.B.I.

I just heard that the Admin. from 12 Daily Pro is ready to go to bat with Stormpay on this matter




This is from another board

Stormpay Developments - by Charis - 12DP Admin at 2006-02-02 16:42:15

We have done some additional research and as you may have noticed, we have come to some decisions regarding our current issues with Stormpay.

We did everything we could to meet and live up to StormPay's blackmail attempts on Monday. We removed EMO, a payment processor with who we have a very solid relationship. At StormPay's demand, we completely eliminated all choice for our members of payment processors and put our business in a very difficult postition. After all of that, it seems that we have been betrayed.

The existance of 12daily Pro has profited StormPay over the course of the months perhaps more than any other of their clients or users combined. They seem to now have a problem with autosurf; we find it curious that they didn't have a problem with taking our money. We have learned that StormPay has suspended many other autosurfs as well witin the past couple of days. It appears they may also be sending out libelous answers to members questions about why we were suspended.

We want to let you know that we have decided to become proactive in this matter, after a full day has passed with no explanation from them of why our account has been suspended. Our attorney has submitted a letter to their attorney via email explaining our postion and requesting a response. Barring a legitimate explanation by Stormpay within a timely manner, we will be filing immediate legal action to recover all our funds by legal force if necessary so we can meet our responsibilities to all of our StormPay members in a timely fashion. We will update you on the progress of this matter. We promise to fight them to the death for money that rightfully belongs to you and us.

In the meantime, since our account has been locked, we cannot at this time make any StormPay payments. We also have been denied by StormPay the withdrawal of funds that we earmarked for the funding of our EMO account. So, this evening we will have to weigh a lot of factors in determining how we will structure a recovery plan for our Stormpay funds as well as determine an ammeanable and fair payment schedule for all members with currently pending withdrawals.

We will have some answers for you on this by midday tomorrow.

In the meantime, we have enabled EMO upgrades again, staff will be focusing on support tickets and the launch of the new program hopefully later tomorrow.

We need you all to understand that this is a very difficult situation which we never could have predicted. There will be a lot of change and uncertainty in the coming days. But know we are doing all we can to insure that StormPay does not bring this program down nor take advantage of members that we have spent months caring for.

We completely understand that you are all concerned as we are as well. We ask for your support and patience at this time. Rest assured we are here working our butts off for you. You can help by not creating more work by staff with support tickets about these issues. We will update the membership as a whole as developments arise in the member news area, so please check it often for new postings.

We will not let anyone destroy this program that our staff and all of you have worked so hard to build.

NOW is the time when we PROVE we are pros!

Charis"

 

[King D]

Everyone post any updated information in this thread so that it will be easy for everyone to access. I'll do the same

 

[afroyale]

For 12DP members, I suggest you sign up for EMO because Stormpay has been dropped. We should hear more from 12DP on a payment schedule for pending Stormpay cashouts within the next day or two.

EMO: https://www.emocorp.com

** This issue affects most HYIPs and Autosurfs who use Stormpay and whose accounts has also been frozen... not just 12DP.

 

[SVPintheMaking]

this is some shit, i am due for a fuken cashout of like a G in like 3 days, so now im screwed?

 

[jivemofo]

this is some shit, i am due for a fuken cashout of like a G in like 3 days, so now im screwed?

same here, i just dropped $900 in it through sp 2 days ago.

hopefully 12dp will sort things out and help us get our money back.

 

[Rennaissance man]

I just decided to check out this 12dailypro thing 2 days ago, so I deposited $300 to stormpay about 2 days ago. I just checked my account on stormpay and the transaction has been voided, but the money is not back in my account yet..

 

[King D]

Damn, Stormpay is now down. I feel for those who lost big.

Im glad that the little money I had in my account was refunded.

All Stormpay members who invested in HYIPs or Auto Surfs using Credit Cards to fund their accounts were reimbursed

E-Gold and EMO are about to be my new best friends….lol

 

[jivemofo]

their main site's up. i can still access my acct and see the 56 bucks i still have in it. the forums seem to be down though.

damn, the only reason i went with stormpay was b/c emo would have taken a few days before the money would be available.

 

[007]

its seems like stormpay is trying to be the new world order of payment processors peep this:

Policy Update
31-Jan-2006 14:40
Due to high volumes of fraudulent transactions made to merchants with commission based business models, StormPay can no longer process payments for those type of merchants who choose to accept more than one payment processing solution.

Using more than one payment processor is exactly the situation that “fraud” seeks out. This enables the fraudulent user to set up a fake profile with either of the processors, make a purchase or join the program, and then withdraw their earnings to the other processor where the real identity is used. This sort of activity makes it nearly impossible for either processor, or law enforcement to properly handle the fraud because the “trail” comes to an end. This is the cause for a great many chargebacks to those merchants which can be avoided.

As of 1/30/2006 StormPay must require Merchants with a commissioned based business model who choose to accept StormPay, to only accept StormPay. StormPay certainly does not wish to dictate how our merchants run their business, all merchants are free to choose any processing solution that best suits their needs. We understand you have choices and certainly hope that choice is the online leader – StormPay. However, if another payment solution is used, please immediately remove StormPay from the associated website as a funding option and continue to use the StormPay account funds to finish payments to those members who paid using their StormPay account.

At StormPay we truly care about our merchants’ and the overall success of their business and sales and for that reason we have implemented these very necessary changes. Thank you in advance for your understanding in this very crucial matter.

StormPay Inc.

 

[jivemofo]

its seems like stormpay is trying to be the new world order of payment processors peep this:

yeah, that's the old news that lead up to this. that's the main reason i went w/ sp instead of emo. 12dp gave in and dropped emo. now they pull this shit.

 

[*Capo*]

I got this from another forum I go to. This is the piece of shit who stole our money. I already left a message. He sounds like real redneck scum on the voicemail. Have fun with this, fellas:



Anyone want Stormpay's number? Well, how about the extension number for the CEO, Steve Girsky. Here ya go. Have fun!

(931) 647-8750

Steve- ext. 105

 

[*Capo*]

Is there anyone in Tennessee that can pay this redneck a visit?

That would seem odd, given Stormpay's Stormpay Racing Division just signing on to a two year deal to fund expansion and operations of a auto racetrack in Clarksville at the behest of Nextel. How would they ever watch their beloved dirt track races? Besides, the real owner of Stormpay is a partner in a Clarksville law firm.

I'm not so sure the offices are gutted so much as just non-impressive (wanna see photos?) But maybe so??

The CEO of Stormpay is Steve Girsky and the President is John McConnell.

Girsky, Steven C (residence)
4987 Shadowbend Cir
Clarksville, TN 37043-9007
(931) 362-9288

Girsky, Steven C (office)
121 S Third St
Clarksville, TN 37040-3403
(931) 647-1501

Photo: http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2558419_1?noconfirm=0

Stormpay began as a Matrix scheme named TYMGlobal.com which ultimately flopped and Stormpay was created to fund their own matrixes and other matrix operations. They then became a payment processor. At first they prided themselves on supporting matrix schemes, but as the heat was turned up, they changed their terms of service to explicitly forbid matrix transactions.

At one point in time, they were prohibited from doing business in their homestate of Tennessee, and Tennessee residents who attempted to set up an account and add funds to Stormpay would get an error message stating that they were unable to accept Tennessee accounts.

Although they began as a matrix and matrix payment processor, they reportedly ultimately froze the accounts of other matrixes they had been serving, a possible precursor to their recent actions against paid to surf programs (Auto-Surfs) and high yield investment programs (HYIPs).

Stormpay is located in Clarksville, TN and their given address is about .3 miles from NetIBA. Both companies were registered by none other than Stormpay President John McConnell.

Name

I.D. Number
STORMPAY, INC.

0449997

Business Type*: CORPORATION
Profit/Nonprofit: FOR PROFIT
Status*: ACTIVE
Date of Formation/Qualification: 07/07/2003
Domestic/Foreign: DOMESTIC
Place of Incorporation/Organization: MONTGOMERY
Duration: PERPETUAL
FYC(Fiscal Year Closing) Month: DECEMBER

Principal Office:
Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE
Address Line 2:
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043
other than USA:

Registered Agent:
Name: JOHN R. MCCONNELL, JR.
Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE
Address Line 2:
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043

I.D. Number
NETIBA, INC.

0482353

Business Type*: CORPORATION
Profit/Nonprofit: FOR PROFIT
Status*: ACTIVE
Date of Formation/Qualification: 12/02/2004
Domestic/Foreign: DOMESTIC
Place of Incorporation/Organization: MONTGOMERY
Duration: PERPETUAL
FYC(Fiscal Year Closing) Month: DECEMBER

Principal Office:
Address Line 1: 2115 OLD ASHLAND
Address Line 2: CITY ROAD
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043
other than USA:

Registered Agent:
Name: JOHN R MCCONNELL JR
Address Line 1: 2115 OLD ASHLAND
Address Line 2: CITY ROAD
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043

Only a couple of weeks ago, Stormpay made news with it's subdivision Stormpay Racing (www.stormpay-racing.com) when it was announced that they had agreed to become corporate sponsors of Clarksville Speedway. Financial terms have not been disclosed, but it is apparently a two year deal that will help fund expansion and operating costs and includes a name change of the facility to reflect the Stormpay corporate logo. Private suites at a dirt track facility no less!

 

[007]

heres some other sites that have had there accounts suspended by Stormpay with no answer or explanation

surf-for-cash.com
24surfing.com
AutoSurf-Biz
eProfit
Total Rune
AutoSurf-Insomnia
exeko
Butterfly Surf
DailyROI
TurboGPT

 

[??????]

okay, heres the scenario...

i dont have any money in storm pay, maybe a few bucks but all of my money is tied up in alien trust and 12dp..


the fucked up thing is that 12dp and alien trust have account with stormpay.

will i ever see my money again? i had damn 7g's invested in the shit....heads are going to fly if i dont get my motherfucking money!!!!

 

[jivemofo]

will i ever see my money again? i had damn 7g's invested in the shit....heads are going to fly if i dont get my motherfucking money!!!!

no doubt, will all the money locked up by so many people there's sure as hell gotta be at least one crazy ass mofo ready to go to war with this guy. maybe we'll read about it in the next couple of days

 

[Real1]

Guys,

Lets talk...businessman to businessman. Why do you keep risking money that you can't afford to on these programs? You KNOW that they have a flawed business model. They are using members to pay other members. The processing companies that work with them are also built on a house of cards.

If stormpay gets you your cash, take some profits off the table. Autosurfs have been around since the "Internet Golden Age". Virtually NONE of the autosurfs around 12 - 18 months ago are still around.





Good luck on the situation.

 

[Damian Stone]

See I never liked Stormpay, I was pissed when 12Daily got rid of egold, I always felt they were too out there, trying too many things...Storm pay racing...Yeah right!
I was trying to set up EMO when that shit went down, I have an stormpay account but never used it.
Fuck Stormpay!

 

[Damian Stone]

Guys,

Lets talk...businessman to businessman. Why do you keep risking money that you can't afford to on these programs? You KNOW that they have a flawed business model. They are using members to pay other members. The processing companies that work with them are also built on a house of cards.

If stormpay gets you your cash, take some profits off the table. Autosurfs have been around since the "Internet Golden Age". Virtually NONE of the autosurfs around 12 - 18 months ago are still around.





Good luck on the situation.

Real, risk is risk...(risk of losing, risk of making some money)
No matter what, for me it's money I can afford, of course I don't want to lose that cash I made of the program, but my initial investment is something I would spend in half a day just for the heck of it sometimes

 

[afroyale]

http://www.abc4.com/local_news/loca...ntent_id=BC62B852-E188-4515-880A-94B2F2375B65

At the end of the above article...

"The Utah Division of Consumer Protection is aware of 12dailypro, but has received no consumer complaints."

 

[afroyale]

Eye witness account about Stormpay office in Clarksville, TN.

Hi,

I got to know this person from another forum, and promised to post this article here.
This member (who is not a member of this forum) requested me to post this here.

Here we go:


"Yesterday a friend and I (both 12dp members) drove down to Clarksville [30 miles away] to have a look at what was going on. Around 9:30PM, we finally found it on a Y road. This is where, you guessed it, Old Ashland City Rd and Golf Club Lane join. The rumor that the building is gutted is probably half true. There is a giant dumpster out front that is entrapped by caution
tape. Based on what is going on around the building, it seems that they are doing upgrades/renevations as if stormpay is expanding into more of a bank like business. On the side of the building, there are 2 office entrances (kind of like a mini office complex for CPAs). Both had lights on at the time and 2 trucks were in the parking lot. I didn't see much activity but I can tell you that there was no sign of emptying as well as no cops, no feds,
no anything. I did note that there was a single squad car circling the area but I figure this was just his patrol area. We took pictures, but they didn't come out very well because it was dark and there wasn't much lighting in the area. The area is in a business district but very close to a
non-friendly area and a residential path. It is also across from the hospital. However, this is very moot information.
Either way, I work for the TN state government in the human services department and have forwarded an email to my director regarding this since she came from Commerce and Insurance, the people who deal with the BBB. Since there is already a negative report (or many) filed with the BBB, this may escalate into something bigger. If I was sure of criminal activity, I would call up some favors with the TBI. However, I cannot at this point.
Hope this information proves useful to you all, I wish I had a 12dp account so that I could have posted the pictures and anymore leading information."

 

[ActivationWizard]

Lol folks want something for nothing, and when they don't get it they feel pissed hahahaha.

 

[*Capo*]

I called Steve's (Storm Pay CEO) office a lil bit ago...that's his law office, the (931) 647-1501...the secretary claims he doesn't work for that firm. I asked her where does he work and she said she doesn't know. I then asked if he owned Storm Pay and she said she didn't know. THEN I asked her if a lot of people were calling there looking for him today, and she said "why do you want to know??"...then I said "because he has stolen a lot of money from a lot of people"....then she said "ohhhhh...Steve would never do that.." and HUNG UP ON ME!!


The phone number to his Storm Pay office is:

(931) 647-8750 ext. 105

I left a voicemail there last night.

 

[afroyale]

Lol folks want something for nothing, and when they don't get it they feel pissed hahahaha.

What do you mean by "want something for nothing"? You make it sound as if HYIPs and Autosurfs just dish out cash if you show up empty handed.

Any way, I checked my bank account this afternoon (should've done it days ago) and Stormpay had deposited two payments (on 30th and 31st) totalling about $2300. The interesting thing was, I didn't request any withdrawal, and I have only $2 and change in my SP account for the past week... Had I checked my bank account much sooner, I'd have known something fishy was up.

 

[Rebel-INS]

Vince (AT) just posted:

Folks we've just received word that StormPay is sending out this letter to all the people who request refunds or file claims on our account. Please read this carefully.

Folks this is an out and out BOLD FACE LIE!

We were NEVER contacted by StormPay even once, and they still refuse to respond to every request we make whether it be via email, telephone, or support ticket.

They are plain and simply LIARS and THIEVES!

This is an attempt to cover they're asses and recover all the money they've stolen from their members over the last 3 years building houses and racetracks and so on.

I will be the first to agree that many of the ASC sites online are indeed ponzi's - they have no product for sale, and they make promises of a return on "investment". But the most important thing to remember is that a ponzi scheme is predicated on recruiting new members into the program, other wise no one can get paid. people put in an amount of money and the that money gets transfered around to members who enrolled first and pretty soon it collapses because there are no new members that come in.

Our system is not based on that at all. With us you purchase advertising that gets used up over a certain time period. There is no guarantee of earnings, you must DO SOMETHING to make money, you have to view other member's ads. There is no dependence on recruiting new members, just like any normal company we are dependant on making sales. Once your ad buy is used up, you have to purcahse another one, this is where we make money, not by recruiting in new members.

Had StormPay bothered to contact us we would have shared this information with them gladly, but they didn't!

Don't fall for this bull**** email that they're sending to you, it's simply not true.

We were never contacted, nor are we able to get anyone there to answer our phone calls.

Our company is completely and totally legitimate and always has been, there's no way we would ever try to take advantage of the very people we're trying to help. Why in the world would we build a ponzi program that was destined for failure - it's stupid and pointless.

That doesn't seem to be the case with StormPay though, they were cited with a cease and desist for the TymGlobal.com Scam that they were running only a short time back. But that doesn't seem to matter, they've made they're decision and forced us all into this situation.

Because of our 1 week payout we never had any option to move any money out of StormPay other than the small amounts we needed to pay the bills, thusly they have stolen over 6.9 million dollars directly from North Shore Media and it's business partners. Our access to our account has been revoked completely we have NO ACCESS whatsoever, that means no payouts, no refunds no nothing. There is absolutely nothing we can do about this situation. We can't refund your money, we can't clear any claims, we can't get into our account.

If you can get a refund through Stormpay by filing a claim or whatever, then please make every effort to do so, we have been completely shut out of the loop.

On a brighter note - even though Alien Trust may not return, North Shore Media is alive and well, and we will be launching a new program within a few days. There 's absolutely NO WAY we'll let these friggin idiots at SP run us out of business. We provide a legitimate service, a great compensation plan, and have no intention of turning tail and running. NO ONE will intimidate us into cowering in the corner, we have the best management team in the industry, we've built a superior infrastructure, and we have to knowledge and expertise to perservere.

So as I said, if you can get satisfaction on your purchases through the Stormpay system then by all means please make every attempt to do so, as we cannot assist with this.

The only thing we can do from this point on is to move forward and take steps to secure a brighter future for us all.

We love all of you very much and hope to see you all with us in the future.

God Bless.

Vince Kronlein
Executive Director
North Shore Media
__________________


Looks like everyone who was in alientrust is fucked, I only had $8 so i'm cool.

 

[*Capo*]

What do you mean by "want something for nothing"? You make it sound as if HYIPs and Autosurfs just dish out cash if you show up empty handed.

Any way, I checked my bank account this afternoon (should've done it days ago) and Stormpay had deposited two payments (on 30th and 31st) totalling about $2300. The interesting thing was, I didn't request any withdrawal, and I have only $2 and change in my SP account for the past week... Had I checked my bank account much sooner, I'd have known something fishy was up.

Sorry to let you know, bro...but IF you withdraw that $ to a check, it is gonna bounce. Everyone is bitching at MMG that they are getting NSF's with SP checks. Also, supposedly SP doesn't offer wiring money all of a sudden.

 

[*Capo*]

http://accessportal.net/ircapplet/AppletWithJS.html

/join #alientrust


24 hour chatroom set up for this crisis.

I also urge you to actively post in www.talkgold.com and www.moneymakergroup.com

 

[007]

Peep Stormpay explanation and Alientrust comments

StormPay's Response
3. February 2006 @ 17:55
Folks we've just received word that StormPay is sending out this letter to all the people who request refunds or file claims on our account. Please read this carefully.

----------------------------------------------------

Dear StormPay Member,

Please read this news update as it contains important information concerning your StormPay account as well as spends from your account to the "Auto-Surf" industry.

Traditionally "auto-surf" is a "traffic exchange" industry as to where persons gain traffic credits for promoting their URL (website address) in exchange for viewing websites offered by others. Any monies taken in on these types of "traffic exchanges" are normally for upgrades to have your URL (website) shown at a higher rate of exposure. For an example of how a true auto-surf works, you can visit www.autohits.dk or other sites comparable.

"Paid to click", or "Paid to Read" types of sites are normally where an advertiser pays to have his/her ad displayed and the end user gets paid a portion of the advertiser dollars for clicking on and reading/viewing the ad. The end user who is being paid for reading/viewing the advertisement does not spend any monies to participate. An example of this type of service is StormPay's own "StormClix" where participants are not charged to view advertisements and are rewarded an account credit for viewing the advertisement.

It has recently been brought to the attention of StormPay Inc. that the current rash of new Auto-Surf and Paid to Read accounts are NOT operating in the traditional manner. Further investigation by both StormPay and other outside investigational organizations/law enforcement agencies have have drawn early conclusions that these types of programs are nothing more than well hidden "Ponzi" or "Pyramid" schemes. While many of you may not agree, or wish to agree that these programs or illegally operated ponzi's, there are many facts that that are unavailable to you, or that may have been hidden by the operators of these programs. Please note that StormPay's user agreement has always banned merchant accounts for these types of activities.

Throughout the investigations into these programs, StormPay has asked the "Merchant(s)" to provide a detailed explanation of the workings of these programs including how profit margins and customer payments are made. These questions were asked point blank by StormPay while on a
conference call with the owner/operator and their attorney. The requests for information from the "merchant" were simply denied leaving StormPay no choice other than to report those findings to the other organizations who required the information from StormPay. These findings and reports
caused the seizure of funds of the merchant(s) StormPay accounts until all legal matters are resolved. Please be reminded that this could have been avoided if the merchant(s) could have, or would have provided information proving no illegal pyramid or ponzi activity.

Furthermore, investigations and calculations show that these merchants were already at an "upside down" point where they are/were not able to meet the financial obligations made to their program participants. These merchants who were already failing to make good on their claims seem
to now be using StormPay as their "Scape Goat" for the failure of their own pyramid or ponzi scheme. These programs are always doomed to failure and for that very reason, deemed illegal. Please site the following from StormPay's user agreement:

"17. Get Rich Quick" Schemes: Get Rich Quick Schemes are prohibited resell items by StormPay. Get Rich Quick schemes include any type of self-employment, start-up businesses, or investment opportunity where the claims of profit or returns on investment are unrealistic or unsupported.
By law, if a business opportunity costs $500.00 USD or more, the promoter is required to support any claims regarding earnings or profits with written documentation.

Pyramids don't pay. StormPay Inc. and the Federal Trade Commission caution consumers about clubs or programs that promise quick money for recruiting new members. Don't bank on the pyramid promise that someone else will pay you. For more information on get-rich-quick schemes, visit the FTC at www.ftc.gov."

We know that the most prominent question in your mind is "What happens to the money I sent these programs?" Answer: At the moment any funds frozens in these merchant's accounts are frozen and not payable until all investigations are completed. At such time investigations are completed, any remaining funds will be released to the merchant's, or refunded to the purchasers, based on the outcome of the investigations. Please be aware if determination is made that these are ponzi schemes, a great deal of the funds received by these merchant's will have been used to pay
obligations to those who joined earlier into the programs. In other words, they will have used your money to pay other members thus creating a deficit of funds needed to refund all users. Please be patient while investigators decide the best procedures for handling this serious situation. Contacting your credit issuers or banks requesting chargebacks only compounds the problems for all involved, including the merchants and their customers, and delays returns of any funds. These
actions could also be punishable by law.

StormPay will keep you updated of developments as information is available and allowed to be released.

StormPay Inc.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

(this is Alientrust)
Folks this is an out and out BOLD FACE LIE!

We were NEVER contacted by StromPay even once, and they still refuse to respond to every request we make whether it be via email, telephone, or support ticket.

They are plain and simply LIARS and THIEVES!

This is an attempt to cover they're asses and recover all the money they've stolen from their members over the last 3 years building houses and racetracks and so on.

I will be the first to agree that many of the ASC sites online are indeed ponzi's - they have no product for sale, and they make promises of a return on "investment". But the most important thing to remember is that a ponzi scheme is predicated on recruiting new members into the program, other wise no one can get paid. people put in an amount of money and the that money gets transfered around to members who enrolled first and pretty soon it collapses because there are no new members that come in.

Our system is not based on that at all. With us you purchase advertising that gets used up over a certain time period. There is no guarantee of earnings, you must DO SOMETHING to make money, you have to view other member's ads. There is no dependence on recruiting new members, just like any normal company we are dependant on making sales. Once your ad buy is used up, you have to purcahse another one, this is where we make money, not by recruiting in new members.

Had StormPay bothered to contact us we would have shared this information with them gladly, but they didn't!

Don't fall for this bullshit email that they're sending to you, it's simply not true.

We were never contacted, nor are we able to get anyone there to answer our phone calls.

Our company is completely and totally legitimate and always has been, there's no way we would ever try to take advantage of the very people we're trying to help. Why in the world would we build a ponzi program that was destined for failure - it's stupid and pointless.

That doesn't seem to be the case with StormPay though, they were cited with a cease and desist for the TymGlobal.com Scam that they were running only a short time back. But that doesn't seem to matter, they've made they're decision and forced us all into this situation.

Because of our 1 week payout we never had any option to move any money out of StormPay other than the small amounts we needed to pay the bills, thusly they have stolen over 6.9 million dollars directly from North Shore Media and it's business partners. Our access to our account has been revoked completely we have NO ACCESS whatsoever, that means no payouts, no refunds no nothing. There is absolutely nothing we can do about this situation. We can't refund your money, we can't clear any claims, we can't get into our account.

If you can get a refund through Stormpay by filing a claim or whatever, then please make every effort to do so, we have been completely shut out of the loop.

On a brighter note - even though Alien Trust may not return, North Shore Media is alive and well, and we will be launching a new program within a few days. There 's absolutely NO WAY we'll let these friggin idiots at SP run us out of business. We provide a legitimate service, a great compensation plan, and have no intention of turning tail and running. NO ONE will intimidate us into cowering in the corner, we have the best management team in the industry, we've built a superior infrastructure, and we have to knowledge and expertise to perservere.

So as I said, if you can get satisfaction on your purchases through the Stormpay system then by all means please make every attempt to do so, as we cannot assist with this.

The only thing we can do from this point on is to move forward and take steps to secure a brighter future for us all.

We love all of you very much and hope to see you all with us in the future.

God Bless.

Vince Kronlein
Executive Director
North Shore Media

 

[Deuce_Wyld]

FUCK STORMPAY
StormPay is a bootleg Paypal,
and FUCK THEM TOO, they both been fucking over peeps for years
I once had an account on both and both were shut down because I
violated there weak ass TOS.
Luckily I did'nt have a shitload of money in either one
$30-40 tops and although I did recieve my funds it took like 180 days.
WTF? ​

 

[cooliojones]

My thing is, why peeps getting involved with something (12dailypro) when they not using one of the biggest payment processors out there (PayPal) and instead going with this new company no one has heard of (StormPay). It's crazy, I knew it from the beginning. And I bet it comes out that the two compaies, or two CEO's knew each other and pocketed the money. They probably put it in offshore accounts, and what you thought were deposits were really good attempts at cooking the books.

Get a real job, make some real money, flip REAL estate, etc.

 

[afroyale]

Sorry to let you know, bro...but IF you withdraw that $ to a check, it is gonna bounce. Everyone is bitching at MMG that they are getting NSF's with SP checks. Also, supposedly SP doesn't offer wiring money all of a sudden.

The money is already sitting pretty in my checking account. It was an ACH credit. Let's just hope those SOBs don't reverse the transaction.

 

[afroyale]

My thing is, why peeps getting involved with something (12dailypro) when they not using one of the biggest payment processors out there (PayPal) and instead going with this new company no one has heard of (StormPay). It's crazy, I knew it from the beginning. And I bet it comes out that the two compaies, or two CEO's knew each other and pocketed the money. They probably put it in offshore accounts, and what you thought were deposits were really good attempts at cooking the books.

Get a real job, make some real money, flip REAL estate, etc.

Paypal does the same thing. They would shut down your account in a blink of an eye, especially if mo' money starts flowing into it. Check out http://www.paypalsucks.com


Autosurfing and HYIPs (aka investing, gambling, flipping cash etc), are real jobs. Mufuckas do it on Wall Street, Atlantic City, and Las Vegas almost every single day.

 

[afroyale]

From this, it seems like Stormpay is the one in financial trouble and being investigated by their bank. If it were only 12DP's account which was frozen, I'd conclude the trouble was with 12DP. That Utah video and news report are a bunch of nonsense.

We wanted to take this time to update everyone on the status of the program and the recent happenings. We know you are all anxious for information. We have spent the entire day trying to forumlate the best strategy for how we deal with the current issues facing the 12daily Pro family.

1. StormPay did finally respond to our attorney's request for information. They informed him that the reason they have suspended our account was at the behest of their bank. This is completely different than the reason they released to the StormPay members, being that they were concerned about autosurf business models.

2. StormPay also made additional false statements in their email to users. The email claimed that we refused to provide information on our business model. This is false. Mr. McConnell of StormPay fully understood our business model from the day we began processing transactions with them, in May of 2005. In fact, Mr. Connell just this past Monday asked if he could fly down to meet us and explain why we should choose StormPay as our only payment processor. And as we posted in a member news item a a couple of days ago, Mr. McConnell blatantly attempted to blackmail us by threatening to freeze our account if we did not remove our other payment processor within 45 minutes.

3. We have also become aware of some very disturbing news about Stormpay, including the fact that they have a very negative rating with the Tennessee Better Buiness Bureau, with dozens of claims against them. They company was also issued a cease and desist order by the State of Tennessee for financial related misdeeds. StormPay has also begun randomly seizing funds from user accounts, and are currently not honoring some users withdrawal requests. We believe that this is for the same reason they refused to release our funds, because they do not have the funds.

4. In a conversation we had with Stormpay and their attorney this past Monday, Mr. McConnell revealed to us that Stormpay acts as a 'lender', which is not what they state in their terms of service. He went on to exlain that they money in users accounts in not completely backed by real funds. When I inquired where all of our funds were, he changed the subject.

5. At this point, it seems that StormPay may have begun to randomly refund some members money. Unfortunately this puts us in a very difficult situation. As they have blocked us completely from access to our account, we have no way of knowing who is receiving refunds and who is still owed. They are creating a situation by where we cannot accurately determine which pending withdrawals need to be cancelled because they have already received refunds from StormPay. In essence they are creating a situation by where they are spending our company money at their own discretion and not providing us with the information we need to meet our obligations to all our members. If indeed our account is frozen, StormPay should not have access to spend those funds until after an investigation is completed.

6. That said, we are actively trying to determine what legal actions may be at our disposal to try to retrieve our funds so we can issue refunds to all members with any pending withdrawals or active upgrades. In order to insure that as many people can be paid as possible, we will only be paying refunds, not any surf earnings or commissions. At this point with Stormpay holding our funds, we are unable to provide a time schedule for this refunds.

7. Until that time, we will continue EMO payments as we are able starting with the oldest expirations, this would be members who chose to receive their previous E-Gold payments to EMO. Again, we cannot promise any timetable on how fast this payments will be made, but know we will make them as we are able.

8. You will notice that we have suspended new membership and upgrades. We need to take this time to focus on solving our issues with StormPay and getting you all back the money that they are holding under false pretenses.

We will continue to update you here as we have more information.

 

[afroyale]

Just in, as we've known all along...

We have learned that StormPay has completed its own independent investigation, which we have learned did NOT involve any law enforcement whatsover, only their bank and themselves, and have begun arbitrarily issuing refunds. In addition they are randomly denying claims of individuals at their own discretion and threatening THEM with legal action.

We also learned that they are refunding members who have already received their upgrade payments from 12daily Pro. Thus essentially paying them twice with our money. Then on top of that they have announced they are going to seek to take additional money from us.

Not only are they now holding money paid to us as non-refundable upgrade fees, but they are also holding a great deal of funds that came to us as via other revenue streams having nothing to do with member upgrades including:

Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting their website.
Thousands of dollars we earned in advertising sales
Thousands of dollars we earned from other online sources
Thousands of dollars in referral commissions we earned by promoting NETIBA, owned by StormPay.
Thousands of dollars earned from advertising promotions and for convention registrations.

They are also sitting on much more money that they earned in fees from both our company and all our members, transactions which they are now saying are null based on their own internal investigation.

We also have not been contacted by any law enforcement officials and/or been informed of any investigation by anyone. StormPay has created this lie in order to cover their own trail of blackmail, deceit, and money shifting that made them unable to pay our withdrawal request.

What does this mean? THERE WAS NEVER ANY INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF OUR STORMPAY ACCOUNT. STORMPAY LIED TO IS USERS...AGAIN.

StormPay has also lied to all of its users informing them that they just discovered 12daily Pro's business model. However, their own daily records since we began using them in May of 2005, they have a detailed record of payments both received by us from members and sent to members by us. Not only did Stormpay tell us just 5 days ago that we were an excellent client and member, they blackmailed us into forcing us to chose them as our ONLY payment processor, with full knowledge our our business model.

These current actions and this 'fake' investigation are simply a means by which they can cover their own illegal acts and mishandling of their users funds. They have provided us NO PROOF of an external investigation. And no external investigators have contact us.

In addition, Stormpay has locked us from access to our account, so we don't know who is being refunded and whether or not those refunds are legitimate. We also fear that they may be laundering and syphoning funds out of our account to cover their debts to their other users who have never even been members of 12daily Pro.

StormPay President, John McConnell openly admitted to me that they do not have the funds to cover their user accounts in their bank. These actions they are taking are ALL because of this. And now they intend to try to make 12daily Pro and all of you pay for their unlawful shifting both our money and yours.

By the second, StormPay is absconding with money that we need to legitmately refund our members and operate our business. Their actions are making it very unlikely that everyone will get the refunds they are due.

We have been advised that it may be possible to take legal action that will force them to cease and desist in dispursement of our funds until a REAL independent investigation is conducted. Other autosurfs are also in discussion of a class action law-suit against the company, who has a long negative history with the BBB.

Many supportive members on the forum asked us if there is any way you can all help us recover our funds from Stormpay via legal action. Requests were made that we make available the ability for members to donate to a legal fund for this purpose. Over 200 members have already donated. If you would like to assist us in our efforts to recover 12daily Pro funds from Stormpay, you can send a donation electronically via EMO with the following payment details:

Account Name: 12dp Stormpay Recovery Legal Fund
Account Email: emo@12dailypro.com


OR you can send to our mailing address: LifeClicks LLC
8116 South Tryon St.
Suite B3, #15
Charlotte, NC 28273


If we are able to pool enough funds for this legal action, we will not have to utilize company funds that are needed to provide refunds as we are able. As it is the staff has been cut to 1, myself, in order to use any and all available funds for refund purposes. Any assistance any member can give for this legal funds would be greatly appreciated.

If we don't take immediate legal action against Stormpay, they will continue arbirtarily taking and spending our money that we need to pay you your refunds.

Please know that I am here and I am going to stay here and continue to communicate with all of you the best way I possibly can.

Thank you in advance for your support.

 

[Rennaissance man]

I deposited $320 into stormpay on 1/31/06. They cancelled the transaction on 2/2/06, and the money went back into my account today 2/4/06.

 

[afroyale]

The fuckers are offline. This one seems permanent. Try it: https://www.stormpay.com