Yup I was just about to post that smith and/or wallace need to sub in for sideshow bob and big Z.
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Yup I was just about to post that smith and/or wallace need to sub in for sideshow bob and big Z.
I guess you didn't read the last part were i said "what does shooting percentage mean to YOU. Like i said and will keep saying until this game Mo Williams was never a unfit point guard and now all of a sudden he is garbage, yall niggas sound stupid
Nobody has said he is Garbage, atleast not me, But this is the wrong time for him not to bring his "A" game
I guess you didn't read the last part were i said "what does shooting percentage mean to YOU
I read it. I already told you what shooting percentage means to ME before you even made the dumbass reply.
And you still are logically-bankrupt idiot. I never said that Mo Williams was an unfit guard. However, what I did say is that he is CLEARLY struggling in this series and has struggled against the Magic in previous matchups. Sometimes I wonder how you cats make it through the day with such mangled minds. You cats are walking logical fallacies that can barely render simple logic.
Man at least 10 of those free throws was bullshit calls by the refs that the other guards wouldn't get in a million years
Just a minor interruption here.
Don't overlook the leadership approaches of both Lebron and Kobe when comparing the two, at this particular juncture.
Though I don't condone Kobe grandstanding of teammates in the public eye, he's getting support.
He is an authoritative figure. Yet he's getting results.
Don't overlook the leadership approaches of both Lebron and Kobe when comparing the two, at this particular juncture.
Though I don't condone Kobe grandstanding of teammates in the public eye, he's getting support.
He is an authoritative figure. Yet he's getting results.
Nigga why you keep saying "I", the first post of mine you responded to was in response to SOMEONE ELSE and those comments i was replying to was clearly saying how Lebron teammates were garbage, since you responded to it that led me to believe you felt the same way that person felt
Man at least 10 of those free throws was bullshit calls by the refs that the other guards wouldn't get in a million years
you're dodging my main point...
I'm saying "I" because you asked "ME" a question specifically. You "quoted" my post. Then your INITIAL post referenced my 55 percent stat I gave about Lebron so you were again referring to my post although you didn't directly quote that one.
Unlike you, I can take a specific reference and judge it for that point distintcly as opposed to extrapolating that if someone differs on any opinion on a particular topic that they don't necessary agree with everything else that all others on the other side of the argument disagree with... but.. maybe that's difficult for you.
you're dodging my main point...
Almost every shot Delonte West took was a drive to the hole and pull up jumper or drive but he only attempted 2 free throws
You hit the nail on the head. Delonte guardin Turkelou?????? Ilgoskas got no answer for Dwight. Matchups is killin em right now.
Come on, man...stop reachin...Only a few times he drove to the lane...Which STILL goes to my point earlier (which wasn't even directed at West)...
Come on, man...stop reachin...Only a few times he drove to the lane...Which STILL goes to my point earlier (which wasn't even directed at West)...
Isn't West a guard?
not quite.
ANTICIPATION is killing them.
watch the cavaliers help defenders UNNECESSARILY cheating. then watch as THEY CATCH THEMSELVES IN NO MAN'S LAND. (that's where they have left their own assignment BUT NEITHER DO THEY COMMIT to a hard double).
that renders them USELESS, because now they do not pressure the ball, AND they leave their own assignments to float to their open spots.
in basketball, being in NO MAN'S LAND is worse than not helping, because your defensive value drops to ZERO.
if the cavaliers stop getting 3-happy on O, and guard the line on D, they should be fine.
dwight howard shot 75% from the floor in G1, but the cavaliers still almost won the game. i say make dwight howard prove that he can win it outright (both from the field and the line).
Yes but what TYPE of guard is my question...You keep talking about calls that LeBron gets that these guards would never get...You may have a point there, but my problem is that these other guards aren't driving to the lane, forcing the hand on the defense of the Magic...How many times has LeBron gotten not just Howard but other guys on the Magic in foul trouble...Hell, Howard AND Lewis had five fouls in this game...
I always say this...If you are a great FT shooter (around 85% plus) and you're not shooting well, drive it to the lane. If you can't get those layups in, force the defense to foul...Billups did it in Game 2 and ended up with 27 points...
the back and forth convo was about williams, who is like what, 18-60 in FGs this series? How many times he's been to the line? Okay, now what is his FT% for his career? I can't take a bad shooting night if you have 6 or less FTAs a game.
Wow @ everyone talking about the cavs players now
They are having a bad series but this is the same group that everyone was so high on and ran through the NBA this year
I think all they need is a legit 2 guard..Delonte West is a solid player but should not be your starting shooting guard cuz he is too small. No matter how these playoffs turn out for the Cavs they need to go get a 2 guard.
Cleveland has shown they are willing to make moves to improve so I don't think Lebron will be going anywhere...he seems to really like his teammates too.
I am impressed with the Magic, I thought they couldn't do this good with Turk and Lewis as thier starting fowards. I felt like they needed a real 4 but they are proving me wrong right now.
They are having a bad series but this is the same group that everyone was so high on and ran through the NBA this year
I think all they need is a legit 2 guard..Delonte West is a solid player but should not be your starting shooting guard cuz he is too small. No matter how these playoffs turn out for the Cavs they need to go get a 2 guard.
Cleveland has shown they are willing to make moves to improve so I don't think Lebron will be going anywhere...he seems to really like his teammates too.
I am impressed with the Magic, I thought they couldn't do this good with Turk and Lewis as thier starting fowards. I felt like they needed a real 4 but they are proving me wrong right now.
yeah i don't get teh feeling lebron's teammates are afraid of him. i think jordan used to intimidate his teammates. kobe is kind of like that too, not as much as jordan but he doesn't seem as buddy-buddy with his teammates. lebron is still like a big kid.
What's in bold is why they are getting D-STROYED. That and also getting killed on the pick and roll/screen and roll plays (although that may not be effective as it seems. More on that later).
The strategy on Dwight seems interesting. cran, did you say earlier in this series that the Cavs should NOT double Dwight in the post, or even cheat towards him?
I think the screen and roll plays may not be as effective with Dwight taking out the guy in the perimeter if he goes to the basket sometimes because if Lewis or Hedo has the ball, they have more big guys in the lane that can stop the entry pass to Howard. I think I saw that happen in this game...
really? I think they need a legit PG....Who would you go after? Someone like Jason Richardson?
Didn't they have Hughes a few years ago?
delonte west is a guard. a guard that averaged 1.4 TOs per game this season.
tonight, in a span of less than 9 minutes, he had FOUR TOs in Q1 alone.
the orlando magic converted 3 of those 4 TOs into points.
mo williams is a guard. a guard that averaged 2.2 TOs per game this season.
tonight, he had FIVE TOs (game high).
the orlando magic converted 3 of those 5 TOs into points.
so look at the points off TOs from those 2 players alone, and look at the margin of victory. hmmmm.
They have been wanting Vince Carter for a while..
for the record, i have not spoken either highly or poorly of the cavaliers players.
i LIKE mo williams. but i don't see why that should prevent me from observing that he is having a negative effect on his team this series.
the young man has averaged 13.9 FGAs per game the past TWO seasons. but for some reason, he's averaging 18.7 FGAs in this series.
furthermore, for the record, i was NEVER high on this group of players. i did not notice a large influx of talent to the roster.
for the record, i have not spoken either highly or poorly of the cavaliers players.
i LIKE mo williams. but i don't see why that should prevent me from observing that he is having a negative effect on his team this series.
the young man has averaged 13.9 FGAs per game the past TWO seasons. but for some reason, he's averaging 18.7 FGAs in this series.
furthermore, for the record, i was NEVER high on this group of players. i did not notice a large influx of talent to the roster.
Do you think Mo is taking more shots to try and get going since he has been shooting poorly or what?
Skip has never been known for his defense so im not sure why he is struggling
You may never have been high on the group but others were
Vince Carter?! *thinks for a second* To quote Barkley, "Half Man, Half a Season"? As a shooting guard?
I always thought of him as a small forward (esp. when they had Jefferson), but I guess that could work....
Vince Carter?! *thinks for a second* To quote Barkley, "Half Man, Half a Season"? As a shooting guard?
I always thought of him as a small forward (esp. when they had Jefferson), but I guess that could work....
In his 4 full seasons with the Nets he has played 79, 82, 76, nad 80 games.
Jefferson is a SF, but that was just a suggestion I really don't know of any other SG that will be out there or teams will be willing to trade. Maybe Micheal Redd
Jason Kidd could be a PG option and then they could play Mo Williams off the ball, sort of how Mavericks did with him and Terry.
i also want to comment on what appear to be some very confused comments about lebron james shooting in G3.
first, the percentage. lebron james' season average is .489. tonight, lebron james shot 11-28 FGAs or .393. so he obviously shot poorly by his own standards. but just so people don't get carried away, do the math and see how many shots lebron james would've made had he shot for average.
.489 X 28 = 13.692
so lebron james was off his season average by 3 makes. now ask yourself if those 3 additional made shots win the game. NO.
second, the misses. lebron james had 11 makes, so that means he had 17 misses. in general, missed FGAs are important because they can become changes of possession, and therefore missed FGAs can be converted into points.
some volume shooters attempt extremely poor shots, and the cost of their misses is HIGH, because those ill-advised missed FGAs frequently turn into points for the other team.
so take a look at lebron james' 17 missed FGAs tonight. of those SEVENTEEN missed FGAs, only 5 were converted into points.
now synthesize the information i've already provided you in this thread:
the orlando magic converted 6 of 9 TOs by delonte west and mo williams into points.
the orlando magic coverted 5 of 17 missed FGAs by lebron james into points.
hmmmmm.
first, the percentage. lebron james' season average is .489. tonight, lebron james shot 11-28 FGAs or .393. so he obviously shot poorly by his own standards. but just so people don't get carried away, do the math and see how many shots lebron james would've made had he shot for average.
.489 X 28 = 13.692
so lebron james was off his season average by 3 makes. now ask yourself if those 3 additional made shots win the game. NO.
second, the misses. lebron james had 11 makes, so that means he had 17 misses. in general, missed FGAs are important because they can become changes of possession, and therefore missed FGAs can be converted into points.
some volume shooters attempt extremely poor shots, and the cost of their misses is HIGH, because those ill-advised missed FGAs frequently turn into points for the other team.
so take a look at lebron james' 17 missed FGAs tonight. of those SEVENTEEN missed FGAs, only 5 were converted into points.
now synthesize the information i've already provided you in this thread:
the orlando magic converted 6 of 9 TOs by delonte west and mo williams into points.
the orlando magic coverted 5 of 17 missed FGAs by lebron james into points.
hmmmmm.
In his 4 full seasons with the Nets he has played 79, 82, 76, nad 80 games.
Jefferson is a SF, but that was just a suggestion I really don't know of any other SG that will be out there or teams will be willing to trade. Maybe Micheal Redd
Jason Kidd could be a PG option and then they could play Mo Williams off the ball, sort of how Mavericks did with him and Terry.
I thought Redd would have been picked up by the Cavs instead of Williams, but I guess his contract was too high...
Kidd as an option sounds good, if it was a couple of years ago. However, if they did the trade, it wouldn't be as costly to the Cavs as Dallas' trade was for him to the Nets...
they need a Baron Davis type dude to run the point...someone that can run the floor at any time...
he shot 1-8 on 3's.
He shoot's .344 from the arc
.344 X 8 = 2.752
so add 9 points to his total, plus he shoots .78 from the line.
24 X .78 = 18.72
so add 1 more point from the foul line.
that is 10 points, the difference in the game.
If this were somebody else, we know your scenario would be different.
He shoot's .344 from the arc
.344 X 8 = 2.752
so add 9 points to his total, plus he shoots .78 from the line.
24 X .78 = 18.72
so add 1 more point from the foul line.
that is 10 points, the difference in the game.
If this were somebody else, we know your scenario would be different.
i can't guess as to his motives for shooting more.
but i do know that the playoffs are the wrong time to be experimenting with your game. you go with what got you there.
mo williams is a PG. if anything, during a time where your game is struggling, you should regress. fall back upon your core skills to get you through. there are other ways for a PG to contribute, and increasing the number of shot attempts is not one of them.
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