** The Official "24" 7th Season Thread**

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A distant explosion rings through the jungle.

Jack Bauer, longtime protagonist of the Fox show "24," stiffens, a spasm of muted pain on his face. One of his closest friends has just sacrificed himself to a land mine, taking bad guys with him. Jack has no one to tell; as so often in "24," we the audience are the only ones who see his suffering.

Jack Bauer is a tragic protagonist, in the classical/Shakespearean mold. And the show's creators know it.

"He's kind of like Job," says Howard Gordon, executive producer of "24." "It's a case of your character being your fate, as Heraclitus says."

A television producer invoking the Old Testament and a pre-Socratic Greek philosopher? "Well, the show IS a tragedy," Gordon says, in a phone interview. "We weren't even aware of it when we started with the character of Jack. But this whatever-it-takes mentality — it comes with a toll."

For six seasons (the seventh starts tonight at 8 p.m. on Fox), Jack, played by Kiefer Sutherland, has battled terror with single-minded bravery, tolerance for pain, and disregard for conventional morality. (He is renowned for ends-justify-the-means ethics, torturing suspects or going rogue if he sees no other way to defeat the terrorists.) On the way, he has lost every important human contact. His wife died in season one. He is estranged from his daughter; love interests flare up and burn out. Most close colleagues either have died or are his enemies
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now. Jack is an isolated hero in a thankless world. (Well, he'll always have Chloe.)

"There was some pushback, both from Fox and from Kiefer, about making him quite so tragic," says Gordon. "But as the first season went along, we saw this was how it had to be for Jack."

Tragedy occurs when a person is destroyed by the very attributes that make him or her admirable. You don't need to die to be tragic; sometimes it's enough to suffer. Oedipus is destroyed by his insistence on knowing the truth; Othello by his noble standards and naive trust; Macbeth by his high-minded ambition. As Eric Mallin, associate professor of English at the University of Texas, reminds us, tragedy happens "when one's virtues and goodnesses bring about a fall, and when suffering is "... not fully understood."

That fits the bill with Bauer. This is no show in which virtue is rewarded. Jack has been tortured as much as he has tortured, climaxing when he is kidnapped into slavery in a Chinese prison for almost two years. Neither Jack nor the audience fully understands why he has to suffer so much. That's the clammy touch of fate.

Jack is part of a class of tragic figures on TV. Classmates include Mafia kingpin Tony Soprano (James Gandolfini) of HBO's "The Sopranos," which ran 1999-2007; New York legal sharkette Patty Hewes (Glenn Close) of the FX show "Damages"; Dr. Gregory House (Hugh Laurie) of the Fox show "House"; and Dexter Morgan (Michael C. Hall) of Showtime's "Dexter."

TV's penchant for morally ambiguous characters was spurred by the watershed 1980s NBC shows "Hill Street Blues" and "St. Elsewhere." These shows told stories in novel, complex ways, abandoning one-shot episodes for long-running, multilayered plots. These featured complex, long-suffering characters such as Lt. Norman Buntz (Dennis Franz) of "Hill Street" and Dr. Donald Westphall (Ed Flanders) of "St. Elsewhere."

That's solidly in an American vein: the maverick do-gooder, the sheriff, doctor, lawyer, detective, cop who risks life, love, family and future to do the right thing. It's the underside of our romance with the American hero, a myth about the cost. Ironically, especially in "24," a show so closely associated with 9-11, there's a hint that the right thing may not always be worth it.

Today there are so many TV antiheroes that Newsweek's Joshua Alston recently lamented the "antihero overload," writing that "no one on TV can be merely good or evil anymore."

Jack Bauer is certainly neither. There is much to admire in him, much that is, as Gordon says, "noble," including his loyalty, his love of freedom and democracy, and his awareness of the needs of others: "In a way, he's a highly moral character."

There is also much not to admire. As Rich Moran wrote for the conservative webzine American Thinker: "Bauer doesn't stretch the Constitution. He shatters it into a million pieces." He tortures his own brother to get terror-related info and shoots his mentor's wife in the leg when she won't tell him where he is.

There's much needless death, pain and suffering. (Newsday columnist Raymond J. Keating estimates Jack has directly or indirectly killed 167 people in the first six seasons.) He also has captured or thwarted a lot of criminals, but the question remains: at what price?

In the same way, the talented and assertive Hewes, of "Damages," is so bent on victory in court that she abandons morality itself, using and destroying those who stand in her way, with plots, double- and triple-crosses, and murder. House of "House" is both brilliant and isolated, unreachable. So is Dexter, a psychotic killer who kills killers, using evil against evil to produce (to the audience's acute unease) good. Maybe.

Mallin says that in tragedy, "knowledge comes too late." TV tragedians all have an unhealthy relationship with truth and self-knowledge, like their classical counterparts. Oedipus doesn't know he has murdered his father and married his mother — but oh, when he finds out! Othello doesn't realize he's been tricked into murdering his wife; when he learns, he personally completes his tragedy.

"It is possible in tragedy to know or learn things," Mallin says, "but not when that knowledge would help you avoid fatal errors." Jack has made his share.

By this new season, Jack may finally have benefited from his tragic arc. Gordon says we'll see a different Jack: "By now, he's learned his lesson and keeps the world at arm's length. He's a little more together. He's learned something from his suffering."

That's the best we can ask of a tragic hero.
 
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oh shit, Jack Bauer just gave a "You Can't Handle the Truth" caliber speech!
 
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I'll start watching in 20 min so I can fast forward all commercials.
 
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This season better come correct!!!

Last season was SHIT
 
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My FUCKIN CABLE WENT OUT!!!!


:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:
 
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hell yeah jack bauer is back better than before. Let the mayhem begin :dance::dance::dance::dance::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Im just going to hit the torrent sites and then call the cable company for a month of free cable
 
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chops said:
I knew that masked man was Tony!!

still dont know if he actually IS the main villain,or if he a double agent,switching sides and helping jack in say,the third or second-to last episode of this season
 
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Ok, if they can bring Tony back, then they can bring DAVID PALMER back too! He can take a break from the Allstate commercials!

Oh, and bring back Michelle too.
 
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still dont know if he actually IS the main villain,or if he a double agent,switching sides and helping jack in say,the third or second-to last episode of this season

He can't be the main villain if they've already revealed him in episode 1, hell even in the trailer you knew Tony was back.
 
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Ok, if they can bring Tony back, then they can bring DAVID PALMER back too! He can take a break from the Allstate commercials!

Oh, and bring back Michelle too.

thatd be crazy if they showed her in the final scene of the season finale
 
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Ok, if they can bring Tony back, then they can bring DAVID PALMER back too! He can take a break from the Allstate commercials!

Oh, and bring back Michelle too.

Palmer took a bullet to the head. :smh:

Michelle died in an explosion. She's definitely gone.
 
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You know if Hillary is watching this, she's mad as hell!!!
 
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Palmer took a bullet to the head. :smh:

Michelle died in an explosion. She's definitely gone.

Yeah, but didn't Tony supposedly die in that same explosion? I thought him and Michelle died together?

They pay these writers to come up with a way to make it believable. After last season, they betta be puttin in some SERIOUS work.
 
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DAYUM!! She said she would straight replace buddy as Sec/ of State if he ain't down with the program!! This president has BALLS!!
 
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My kid's watching the muppets so I gotta dvr it.
 
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Tony lived through the explosion and died later that day after being injected by a virus by Jack's mentor.
 
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Peeps, i missed the first 10minutes due to a DVR conflict. Missing the first 10minutes of 24 season premiere is like missing the whole dam thing to me. I dont wanna start watching without seeing it. Is there anywhere i can catch that before watching the entire episode??
 
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Peeps, i missed the first 10minutes due to a DVR conflict. Missing the first 10minutes of 24 season premiere is like missing the whole dam thing to me. I dont wanna start watching without seeing it. Is there anywhere i can catch that before watching the entire episode??

If you only missed 10 minutes you straight... if you want to know what happened PM me.
 
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What the hell? How many times does Jack have to be totally right and save the fuckin country for them to just believe whatever he says? Shit's ridiculous.
 
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