The Notorious Movie
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Many disagree.
Not the actors in the movie, they said certain people sucked too.
Compared to most black filmmakers, he certainly is. (Though I'd be more apt to compare him to someone like Norman Jewison.)
Norman Jewison...you must be out of you gotdamn mind. Where is Tillmans "In the Heat of the Night" "Thomas Crown Affair" or "A Solider's Story". You're just trying to throw directors names out there to prove a stupid point. Doesn't work pimpin'.
Soul Food, Men of Honor and Barbershop. Quality black films that also made money.
Touche
You forgot the ugly-ass State Property and its miserable sequel. Which are more up Dash's alley. Dash put his name on the marquee of the other films you mentioned but his creative input was minimal, unlike producer/DIRECTOR Tillman's.
He didn't just put his name on the marquee, he gave money to finish the projects (ask Chuck Stone). You do know that's what a producer job entails right? And can you honestly say that "Honor" "Barbershop" "Beauty Shop" or "Soul Food" was a better FILM than "Paid in Full"?
Obviously a lot more than you do if you're hyping a knucklehead (and non-director/writer) like Damon Dash over George Tillman Jr., not to mention screenwriters Reggie Rock Bythewood and Cheo Hodari Coker (who wrote the definitive Biggie book). You must be a hoodrat (or a wannabe gangsta).
Wow! You have to be the first person to EVERY call me a hoodrat or a wannabe gangsta. What about anything I said makes you have an inkling that I'm either of the two? And for your information Cheo Hodari Coker is not a screenwriter and Reggie Bythewood just came in to clean up the script that Coker wrote (you do know that's how it's done right?). And the only way you could know more about film than me is if you were a film professor at USC.
I'll bet you didn't even bother to see The Secret Life of Bees[/i
I went to the premeire of The Secret Life of Bees as I did for Notorious, but I digress. And to be honest "Bees" wasn't the be all to end all either. J Hud and Alicia Keyes could have stayed home for all I care (you probably really loved the "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants" too). Just cause a film is made by black folks doesn't mean I HAVE to love it.
Look Blunt, dick riding doesn't make you an expert, just makes you... well a dick rider. Now go pick up your new copy of US Weekly, fucking Stan.
Not the actors in the movie, they said certain people sucked too.
Compared to most black filmmakers, he certainly is. (Though I'd be more apt to compare him to someone like Norman Jewison.)
Norman Jewison...you must be out of you gotdamn mind. Where is Tillmans "In the Heat of the Night" "Thomas Crown Affair" or "A Solider's Story". You're just trying to throw directors names out there to prove a stupid point. Doesn't work pimpin'.
Soul Food, Men of Honor and Barbershop. Quality black films that also made money.
Touche
You forgot the ugly-ass State Property and its miserable sequel. Which are more up Dash's alley. Dash put his name on the marquee of the other films you mentioned but his creative input was minimal, unlike producer/DIRECTOR Tillman's.
He didn't just put his name on the marquee, he gave money to finish the projects (ask Chuck Stone). You do know that's what a producer job entails right? And can you honestly say that "Honor" "Barbershop" "Beauty Shop" or "Soul Food" was a better FILM than "Paid in Full"?
Obviously a lot more than you do if you're hyping a knucklehead (and non-director/writer) like Damon Dash over George Tillman Jr., not to mention screenwriters Reggie Rock Bythewood and Cheo Hodari Coker (who wrote the definitive Biggie book). You must be a hoodrat (or a wannabe gangsta).
Wow! You have to be the first person to EVERY call me a hoodrat or a wannabe gangsta. What about anything I said makes you have an inkling that I'm either of the two? And for your information Cheo Hodari Coker is not a screenwriter and Reggie Bythewood just came in to clean up the script that Coker wrote (you do know that's how it's done right?). And the only way you could know more about film than me is if you were a film professor at USC.
I'll bet you didn't even bother to see The Secret Life of Bees[/i
I went to the premeire of The Secret Life of Bees as I did for Notorious, but I digress. And to be honest "Bees" wasn't the be all to end all either. J Hud and Alicia Keyes could have stayed home for all I care (you probably really loved the "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants" too). Just cause a film is made by black folks doesn't mean I HAVE to love it.
Look Blunt, dick riding doesn't make you an expert, just makes you... well a dick rider. Now go pick up your new copy of US Weekly, fucking Stan.
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dumbass niggz shootin up the fuqqin theatre, and this wasnt even the hood theatrewhat's wrong with our people
Was this in Greensboro?? I heard about a shooting there
Agreed!
I think some black folks are so happy to see a movie about a black person it's got to be good!
I just think it's sad that Biggie and Pac is all we have to offer as far as biographies black people would be interested in going to see!
They went to see Ray didn't they?
I thought it was a great movie.. I'm going to see it again!! It had a great cast and great acting.
DAHITMAN
Rising Star
I just came back from seeing this movie and I thought it was great.
I wouldn't mind seeing this again. And after that, I would
definitely add this movie to my movie collection.
Brooklyn, New York stand up. Biggie is the greatest ever.
His legend will keep on growing.
Gone but not forgotten.
I wouldn't mind seeing this again. And after that, I would
definitely add this movie to my movie collection.
Brooklyn, New York stand up. Biggie is the greatest ever.
His legend will keep on growing.
Gone but not forgotten.
I like 2Pac but he was 50/50 as hell. Look at his catalog.... for every uplifting so there's 5 negative one. Yea, he was political but he was also an emotional, troublemaker. Imagine if you preacher was like 2Pac....would he be praised?
Fianally!!!!! Somebody is talking about the best part of the movie! Naturi's pretty titties...Damn I thought I was the only one to see that! Anybody got pictures of that shit?
I figured I would address a few quotes on here. But before I do so..I will state that I liked the movie. Overall it was good and some things were painted better than what the news/media put out.
I personally thought this was a stupid statement. I'm not calling you stupid but I am calling the statement stupid. First of all, we as blacks have been stripped of almost everything and force fed their version of what they think they figured out who we are. America is still racist. We still have an up hill battle. And remember that no one black owns BET anymore. We need more good movies and stories about our people, their lives, and contributions to history...instead of being lost in HIS_STORY (meaning whitewashed/brainwashed BS).
I personally thought this was a stupid statement. I'm not calling you stupid but I am calling the statement stupid. First of all, we as blacks have been stripped of almost everything and force fed their version of what they think they figured out who we are. America is still racist. We still have an up hill battle. And remember that no one black owns BET anymore. We need more good movies and stories about our people, their lives, and contributions to history...instead of being lost in HIS_STORY (meaning whitewashed/brainwashed BS).
As for this quote...everybody in life has interesting moments and extremely corny/boring moments that may need some spicing up in order to make a good movie. But wouldn't you want someone to stick as much to the truth than fabricate and over exaggerate your life so that people could do what they are doing here...voicing their opinions about people they don't really know and having those opinions birthed from the fabricated-over exaggerated facts that the news and media put out? Because the real story would never be told and you would be forgotten. Pac and Biggie made marks in Hip Hop that were not too far from that of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King when they did what they did for us in the RACE war. Pac and Big fell victim like Malcolm and Martin fell victim.
Biggie didn't play the role...he became a thug for a shut moment of his life. Those around him kept him from staying a thug. I personally can relate to that. I was a silly and nice kid but because of events that had happened in my life made me that thug something serious...until three towns feared me and only me. Because of those in my life...and because of my upbringing sprinkled with the fact that I'm naturally a silly person and love to have fun...I changed. The road I was going down would have me either under the jail or 6 feet deep early. I'm still a thug at heart/spirit...all I did was redirect that energy...no different than Biggie or Pac.
nigga then you didn't see what i saw. that shit should had been vh1 movie of the week. i don't give a fuck who was in it. that shit shouldn't had been in the movies.
The content alone would leave that out or off of vh1 until they cut scenes...if you're mad because you spent money to see something different that his brief life story...then you're the fool. What...you thought it was going to be like "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button?" or did you want it more like "8 Mile?"
The answer to this quote is similar to the other quote above. If Biggie didn't do what he did...that East Coast/West Coast war will be still going on. Notice that Pac was the emotional one and went after Biggie off of what he thought at the time. Biggie stayed in the "trying to peace things out mode but he's only human...meaning there's but so much a person can take. Alot of people didn't see those interviews where Biggie was scared for his life and how he never verbally attacked Pac. So to say that he didn't make the right decision in order to control his destiny...would be stupid. Because he didn't give himself the title of THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME like Jay-Z or LL Cool J...we the people gave him that title...and it was well deserved.
My thing is why would you pay to see the same rehashed story that you already know the outcome of??
heres the story............
Bad ass kid
sells some dope
gets discoverd
fuck some skanks
marry one
goes to L.A.
gets killed..........the end.
Let the dude rest in peace.
I can't believe you even stated this. Like who else other than Biggie and Pac fits that story? Name ten artist whether acting or singing or rapping! No, name five. You can't...because it doesn't exist. Both of them were from the East Coast (namely New York). I'm not from New York and I knew that.
Let's address this quote...shall we? If anyone was like Malcolm it would be Pac...Biggie was more like Martin trying to share the love and wanting something more for the ones he loved. And a biopic is never pointless. Since most don't like to read...it becomes that much more important. That's like saying Malcolm's and Martin's biopics are pointless and their documentaries, biographies, and autobiographies are enough. Do you look around you? Did you notice that black people in general influence the world? Did you notice how some races and cultures would imitate us and still look down at us as if they are better? They may have made some contributions in life but not as much as African and African Descent have made. Why would you even entertain the thought of that statement?
Again...you're not born a thug....things in life will either make or break you. Pac became a thug in hopes to empower our people. He took thug life...something that existed before him and turned it into a Black Panther's positive view point and he got attacked for it, which made him lash back out at those attacking. He was not the best fighter in the world but he had an enormous fighting spirit. His thug view was no different than Malcolm's "By any means necessary." Don't confuse thug with a street hood or criminal...a thug was someone who did what he/she had to do in order to get ahead...unfortunately, even if it resulted in another suffering. If you have a mouth to feed whether it be your child, your spouse, your not-so-healthy-relative that you're taking care of, etc...by any means whether it's getting a job, and you're turned down everywhere you look...which makes you sell or rob to make ends meet...you're going to do what it takes to feed that mouth. Being a thug is not selfishness...it's damn near making a miracle out of nothing. Understand what the Hip Hop definition of thug means (defined by Pac) before you state who is and who isn't a thug.
LOL! You are one of millions who were fooled
The only ones that are fools are those that don't think (for themselves, that is). It's bad enough our white counter parts (the racist and prejudice people) down us but to have our own doing their work is worst...because you don't realize what you're doing and don't care to find out. I guess that guy in The Matrix said it best "Ignorance is bliss."
Pretty much what I expected.
As for Mr. Mello Mello...I'm not even going to address your quote. All I wanted to say to you is...I love your signature...that Kelly Starr pic is priceless...lol
As far as this quote. Anytime you open your mouth and stand for something and show your intelligence as a black man in America...you become a target. And those that do...already know that and brace themselves for it although they don't want it to happen. Malcolm died for our freedom and was marked as an enemy even from his own set (American Islam), the government pressured and mentally manipulated an old black woman attempt to try and kill Martin and he was speaking of peace along with our freedom & being treated equally. Look where it got him and look at how a good number of our people are acting now. So, in reality..you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Although it was brutal...all four men made a mark in history.
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My thing is why would you pay to see the same rehashed story that you already know the outcome of??
heres the story............
Bad ass kid
sells some dope
gets discoverd
fuck some skanks
marry one
goes to L.A.
gets killed..........the end.
Let the dude rest in peace.
That was ignorant. Do you actually think other than how they taught you? Have you done anything for anyone other than yourself that means something?
Everybody has opinions like assholes...that doesn't mean that the next person needs for you to shit on them. If you think you have any right to do anything but live, suffer, and die...try doing what you think to law enforcement or the president and see how far you get.
Unlike you...I don't treat life like Deebo. You know, you come on here saying what you wouldn't say around them. But my words never change...no matter who's around.
I trip off these romanticized views of these two. Neither Biggie nor Pac were some freedom crusader trying to elevate black people. That's a load of bullshit. A lot of you niggas may be young but there are a lot of us around who were grown ass men when Pac and Biggie were around. I can remember many times shaking my head at Pac on the television acting damn fool. Years from now I guess niggas are going to say T-Pain and 50 were aftrocentric freedom fighters.
These niggas were entertainers trying to make a dollar. Pac may have had a couple of moments of realization towards the end of his life but I'm sick of niggas Malcolm and Martin-ing these two fools. I swear black folk seem to consistently pick the wrong people to champion as examples. Maybe that's why so many of us are misguided? There are plenty of brothas who have done real shit for our people. These two niggas were entertainers: A fat ex-drug dealer and a studio gangster. Black folks need to FOCUS. We have much better than both of these fools in our culture. Give them props for what they did for hip-hop but please stop trying to make them out to be some sort of martyrs for black people.
Neither of these fools represent me.
These niggas were entertainers trying to make a dollar. Pac may have had a couple of moments of realization towards the end of his life but I'm sick of niggas Malcolm and Martin-ing these two fools. I swear black folk seem to consistently pick the wrong people to champion as examples. Maybe that's why so many of us are misguided? There are plenty of brothas who have done real shit for our people. These two niggas were entertainers: A fat ex-drug dealer and a studio gangster. Black folks need to FOCUS. We have much better than both of these fools in our culture. Give them props for what they did for hip-hop but please stop trying to make them out to be some sort of martyrs for black people.
Neither of these fools represent me.
Just think if brothers during the civil rights era thought that way,where would we be?
Honestly...it's good but I wouldn't say it's great. Good enough to view but I don't know about going back to see it again, and again, and again. It doesn't hit me like one of those movies. Not to mention..I was actually around some of those events. They skipped a lot of things that happened in life but who cares. It was a descent movie.
Ok...you're ignorance is really getting to me.
1) Biggie showed love to his people...no different than 50 looking out for Yayo, Em...looking out for D12.
Shit...Puffy didn't even want to work with Junior Mafia. Biggie looked out for them. They were signed to Biggie's label that includes Lil Kim.
2) I personally can stand Mark Pitts (Biggie's lawyer not manager, but he did managed Sporty Theives and Tracy Lee)...just a little history lesson to let you know that I know what the hell I speak on.
3) Pac the songs like "Brenda Had a Baby", "Keep your head up", "Ghetto Gospel", "Dear Momma" etc... Yes he was like Malcolm, just not as politically correct...more militant.
4) I knew Puff back when he use to be a backup dancer for Father MC.
But people like yourself know nothing a true history with political or musical. You're just a person with an opinion. All I'm doing is clearing the air...that's all...that's why I address these quotes. Because I can't stand ignorance!
As for you comment about there are others that have done something...you're right about that...but no one knows of them unless someone speaks of them. Unfortunately, hip hop has done what most speak about...which is letting people about those type of people do exist. If it wasn't for Public Enemy, KRS One, Queen Latifah, and others...half of the youth or a nice sum of the youth in yesterday's time wouldn't have known of some of those greats people and they wouldn't have known of the lies of today because most elders were too scare to challenge a lie.
You do the math....Ray Charles died...how many were affected? Bernie Mack died...how many were affected? But when Biggie and Pac died...as many people as those affected when Malcolm and Martin died were. That's not an opinion...that's a fact! Look at the news, look at your communities, look at the up-and-coming artist...still speaking about these two. You've even admitted that "I trip off these romanticized views of these two" and "Pac may have had a couple of moments of realization towards the end of his life but I'm sick of niggas Malcolm and Martin-ing these two fools. I swear black folk seem to consistently pick the wrong people to champion as examples."
Instead of knocking it...you should be helping those to understand it.
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He/she has a point.