The Impeachment of Blagojevich

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Should Blago Resign/be removed ? ? ?

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Should Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich resign from office ???</center>


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  • <font size="3">Gov. Rod Blagojevich has been arrested for what U.S. Atty. Patrick Fitzgerald called a "staggering" level of corruption involving pay-to-play politics in Illinois' top office.
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  • <font size="3">The information obtained from the federal wiretap, "that has been released to the public", contains only vague references which, depending on the overall context of what was being said, could mean something totally different from, what they say it means
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  • <font size="3">The Illinois Attorney General has filed a motion for a temporaray restraining order which would, if granted, prevent the governor from carrying out many of his duties
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  • <font size="3">Based on what has been made public at this point, should the governor resign ? ? ?
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  • <font size="3">What about the "Presumption of Innocence" until actually proven guilty ? ? ?
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  • <font size="3">Moreover, should the governor be removed from office by the Illinois Supreme Court on the motion filed by the Illiniois Attorney General -- which essentially asks the state supreme court to remove the governor "Without Her Presenting Evidence of His Guilt or Incompetence" ? ? ?
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Re: Should Blago Resign/be removed ? ? ?

yeah theres something wrong with it
he hasnt been convicted of shit
same as spitzer
 
Re: Should Blago Resign/be removed ? ? ?

Can't help wondering what the feds know about valerie and michelle.
 
Re: Should Blago Resign/be removed ? ? ?

yeah theres something wrong with it
he hasnt been convicted of shit
same as spitzer

No - there is something wrong. When Patrick Fitzgerald, the veteran U.S. prosecutor, is on your case - your dead meat.


Fitzgerald’s efforts led to the indictment of George Ryan, Blagojevich’s predecessor in the governor’s mansion.

They are just putting all the pieces together. :itsawrap::itsawrap::itsawrap:
 
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No - there is something wrong. When Patrick Fitzgerald, the veteran U.S. prosecutor, is on your case - your dead meat.


Fitzgerald’s efforts led to the indictment of George Ryan, Blagojevich’s predecessor in the governor’s mansion.

They are just putting all the pieces together. :itsawrap::itsawrap::itsawrap:
I don't doubt Fitz. I'd love to see what he'd do to Cheney without his hands tied. But there is something wrong with head law enforcement officials of states requesting people who have not been convicted of any crime to step down from their elected office.
Do you really like that? Do you see how that could be an issue when you have US Attorneys fired for not being cronies? Do you know what has been going on in Alabama?
Just saying, I respect due process more than any prosecutor's reputation.
 
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I dont think Blago should resign. I know Fitzgerald is a pitbull and Im fairly certain that Blago is dirty but I cant shake the feeling that as soon as he stopped doing business with BOA, the fire was turned up on him. As tech9 stated, Daley and Stroger are much more deserving. I dont feel that Spitzer should have resigned either.
 
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I dont think Blago should resign. I know Fitzgerald is a pitbull and Im fairly certain that Blago is dirty but I cant shake the feeling that as soon as he stopped doing business with BOA, the fire was turned up on him. As tech9 stated, Daley and Stroger are much more deserving. I dont feel that Spitzer should have resigned either.

Sometimes political considerations have to be made. Ill Dems want to get rid of him because they want to clear up their image from the corruption. Same reason Spizter was booted.

Isolation is key in politics.
 
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Sometimes political considerations have to be made. Ill Dems want to get rid of him because they want to clear up their image from the corruption. Same reason Spizter was booted.

Isolation is key in politics.

Okay. Now, politics aside, what is your position ? This is a legal matter isn't it ?

QueEx
 
Re: Should Blago Resign/be removed ? ? ?

Okay. Now, politics aside, what is your position ? This is a legal matter isn't it ?

QueEx

The NY Times has raised similar points on how this a legal "gray":

Ever since the country’s founding, prosecutors, defense lawyers and juries have been trying to define the difference between criminality and political deal-making. They have never established a clear-cut line between the offensive and the illegal, and the hours of wiretapped conversations involving Mr. Blagojevich, filled with crass, profane talk about benefiting from the Senate vacancy, may fall into a legal gray area.

In the case of Mr. Blagojevich, it would be legal for the governor to accept a campaign contribution from someone he appointed to the Senate seat. What would create legal problems for him is if he was tape-recorded specifically offering a seat in exchange for the contribution. What would make the case even easier to prosecute is if he was recorded offering the seat in exchange for a personal favor, like cash, a job or a job for a family member.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/16/us/politics/16legal.html?hp

What do I think? Legally Blago can stay... but judging from the response of the other Dems - they know that he must have crossed a line because no one came out in his support.

It's a matter of time before Patrick J. Fitzgerald puts the case together against him and gets him on something.
 
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What do I think? Legally Blago can stay... but judging from the response of the other Dems - they know that he must have crossed a line because no one came out in his support.
Now you know the latter part of that statement is infirm. How would the 'other Dems' know anymore than anyone else ??? The Democrats are anxious to limit any potential damage and everyone one of them seems to be anxious also to have "said the right thing at the right time." If Blago is guilty of the things charged, his conduct is due to be punished. But, until someone brings forward more evidence of wrongdoing, it is extremely unclear at this point (at least to the general public and probably most elected officials who are opining on the matter) whether Blago has committed a crime.


It's a matter of time before Patrick J. Fitzgerald puts the case together against him and gets him on something.
Perhaps, and for his sake he'd better (because he better not have caused such a smoke, and can't bring the fire). However, until he does, I think the presumption of innocence should be remembered, and respected.

QueEx
 
Re: Should Blago Resign/be removed ? ? ?

John McCain held a fundraiser with the Rothschild family in Europe and raised over 5 million dollars. Every campaign contribution was a felony.

Obama has received millions in campaign contributions from overseas also...

same with Hillary...

all 3 should be in prison. Do you think they should also go to jail if Blago goes?
 
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  • <font size="3">The Illinois Attorney General has filed a motion for a temporaray restraining order which would, if granted, prevent the governor from carrying out many of his duties
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  • <font size="3">. . . should the governor be removed from office by the Illinois Supreme Court on the motion filed by the Illiniois Attorney General -- which essentially asks the state supreme court to remove the governor "Without Her Presenting Evidence of His Guilt or Incompetence" ? ? ?
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Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, surrounded by photographers, leaves his home in Chicago. AP



National Public Radio
By NPR Political Editor Ken Rudin
December 17, 2008


The Illinois Supreme Court has refused to hear a challenge to Gov. Rod Blagojevich's fitness to hold office.

A spokesman said Wednesday that the court rejected the challenge without comment.

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan had argued Blagojevich's legal and political troubles are keeping him from performing his duties.

She had argued they amount to a disability, so Blagojevich should have his authority removed temporarily.

Meanwhile, an attorney for Blagojevich challenged a state legislative panel considering the governor's impeachment on Wednesday, arguing that some members should be removed because he feels they've already made up their minds.

Lawyer Ed Genson argued it would be illegal for the committee to use material from government wiretaps, and he objected to the panel's rules, saying they don't provide a clear standard for deciding whether to recommend impeachment.

Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie, committee chairwoman, said the panel has wide latitude on how to handle evidence.

"We're not a court of law. We're not quite a grand jury," Currie said. "We're not bound by specific rules of evidence."

The committee will recommend to the full House whether to move forward with impeachment.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98410923
 
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Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, surrounded by photographers, leaves his home in Chicago. AP



National Public Radio
By NPR Political Editor Ken Rudin
December 17, 2008


The Illinois Supreme Court has refused to hear a challenge to Gov. Rod Blagojevich's fitness to hold office.

A spokesman said Wednesday that the court rejected the challenge without comment.

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan had argued Blagojevich's legal and political troubles are keeping him from performing his duties.

She had argued they amount to a disability, so Blagojevich should have his authority removed temporarily.

Meanwhile, an attorney for Blagojevich challenged a state legislative panel considering the governor's impeachment on Wednesday, arguing that some members should be removed because he feels they've already made up their minds.

Lawyer Ed Genson argued it would be illegal for the committee to use material from government wiretaps, and he objected to the panel's rules, saying they don't provide a clear standard for deciding whether to recommend impeachment.

Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie, committee chairwoman, said the panel has wide latitude on how to handle evidence.

"We're not a court of law. We're not quite a grand jury," Currie said. "We're not bound by specific rules of evidence."

The committee will recommend to the full House whether to move forward with impeachment.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98410923

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Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, accused of trying to sell the vacant U.S. Senate seat of President-elect Barack Obama for campaign cash, said he is innocent of the charges.

“I am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing and I intend to stay on the job,” Blagojevich, a Chicago Democrat, said in his first press statement since his Dec. 9 arrest by federal agents. “I will fight, I will fight, I will fight until I take my last breath. I have not done anything wrong.”

Blagojevich and his former chief of staff, John Harris, are charged with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud as well as solicitation of bribery. They are accused of using the governor’s power to appoint Obama’s replacement as a chance to reap as much as $1 million in campaign contributions. Harris resigned Dec. 12.

The Illinois House of Representatives is considering impeaching the governor after the chamber’s Democratic leaders abandoned plans Dec. 15 to let voters pick a new U.S. senator. A House impeachment panel said today it will subpoena witnesses including Harris and current and former deputy governors.

In his statement, Blagojevich, 52, went on to say that he is looking forward to responding legally to the charges that U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald filed.

“I am dying to answer these charges,” he said. “I have the personal knowledge that I have not done anything wrong.”


Won’t Apologize

Blagojevich and Harris are also accused of demanding that the Chicago-based Tribune Co., owner of the Chicago Cubs baseball team and publisher of the Chicago Tribune newspaper, fire editorial board members who were critical of the governor in return for state help in its sale of the home stadium for the Cubs, Wrigley Field.

Blagojevich, a former prosecutor twice elected governor of the fifth-most-populous state, would become the first Illinois official to be impeached in 175 years. The governor has resisted calls for his resignation from influential Democrats such as Obama and Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley.

The governor didn’t take questions following his three- minute statement at the James R. Thompson Center, the downtown Chicago building that houses state offices and agencies.

After he left the podium, Blagojevich’s attorney responded to questions and said the governor would stay on the job for months.

“If it’s too hard, if the people of Illinois suffer, he will step aside,” said attorney Sam Adam Jr., part of the governor’s defense team. He also said the decision to step aside may not be made much before Easter. The governor “is not going to apologize,” Adam said.


Impeachment Proceedings

Federal prosecutors said they have recordings of wire- tapped conversations of the governor discussing matters related to the charges. Adam said the tapes may not be as conclusive as prosecutors say.

“I guarantee you that when those tapes come out, and they’re not just 15-second snippets that an agent who sits down in an office somewhere pulls out what he thinks is bad, when we get to it, you’re going to find out the truth on these conversations,” Adam said.

The 21-member House panel that’s considering impeachment will reconvene on Dec. 22. The committee is also examining policy and spending decisions undertaken by the governor during the past six years that members say may have violated state laws and the constitution.

“I’m not going to quit a job that people hired me to do because of false accusations and a political lynch mob,” Blagojevich said.


‘Vindication’ Anticipated

The impeachment panel plans to call former Blagojevich fundraiser Antoin Rezko, who was convicted in June of planning to obtain millions dollars in kickbacks, according to a letter the committee sent to Fitzgerald.

Other witnesses the panel intends to call four current or former deputy governors, Ginger Ostro, who oversees the Illinois Office of Management and Budget, and every registered lobbyist for the state’s horse-racing industry, according the Dec. 18 letter released by the panel.

The letter seeks Fitzgerald’s guidance on whether calling any of the listed witnesses will interfere with his criminal inquiry. The committee also asked for the wire-tap recordings and the names of individuals referred to in the criminal complaint by titles such as “Adviser A” or “Lobbyist 1.”


Quoting Kipling

Until a new senator is sworn in, the state’s 12.8 million residents are represented in the U.S. Senate by just one of the two seats to which they are entitled. The lack of a senator also leaves Democrats a vote short in the chamber as they seek to pass legislation.

“I intend to answer every allegation,” he said. “However, I intend to answer them in the appropriate forum, in a court of law. And when I do, I am absolutely certain I will be vindicated.”

He quoted author Rudyard Kipling at one point, and at another he alluded to the impeachment proceedings.

“I know there are some powerful forces arrayed against me,” he said. “It’s kind of lonely now. But I have on my side the most powerful ally there is and it’s the truth.”

Edward M. Genson, an attorney for Blagojevich, has said his client is innocent of the charges. Reached by phone, Harris’ attorney James Sotos of Itasca, Illinois, declined to discuss the charges against his client.

The governor and Harris are scheduled to appear in court next on Jan. 14 for a probable-cause hearing.

To contact the reporter on this story: Andrew Harris at the federal court in Chicago: aharris16@bloomberg.net.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPpTtLSiLok8&refer=home
 
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here's what's not good for the defense

the day before Blago was arrested he said that the feds could record him talking all they wanted he didn't care if they have been taping him. yet Blago's defense attorney says the evidence was collected illegally???????????? Your client just said he knew that he was being taped............so if he knew its not illegal.

Blago's trying to be the white version of Clay Davis

They didn't get 70 pages worth of evidence in 1 day homie. One thing most people forget is that the day before this all came out, Blagojevich said the entire state of Illinois would no longer do business with Bank of America. All of Chicago/Illinois is corrupt. If you even want to open a business you have 2 pay off the police. But cross the biggest gangsters of all, the banks, and you're fucked...
 
Re: Should Blago Resign/be removed ? ? ?

here's what's not good for the defense

the day before Blago was arrested he said that the feds could record him talking all they wanted he didn't care if they have been taping him. yet Blago's defense attorney says the evidence was collected illegally???????????? Your client just said he knew that he was being taped............so if he knew its not illegal.

Blago's trying to be the white version of Clay Davis

LOL. I never heard of that legal rule before. I don't think that "knowledge" is the thing that makes or breaks the admissibility of the fruit from the poisonous tree.

BTW, I think Blago is a slimeball. But, slimeball's are protected under the Constitution, hence, the railroad needs to slow its roll and do him the right way, if it has the evidence to do him, at all.

QueEx
 
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Chicago Tribune
By Ray Long and Rick Pearson
Friday, January 9, 2009


SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - A state legislative committee voted unanimously yesterday to recommend that the Illinois House impeach Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich on allegations that he abused his powers and sold his office to enrich himself.
Minutes after the 21-0 vote, Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan predicted that the full House would impeach the governor as soon as today. Such a vote - the first such action in state history - would send articles of impeachment to the Illinois Senate, which would then hold a trial on whether to remove him from office.

A Blagojevich spokesman said the two-term Democrat, who has denied wrongdoing, would not heed some lawmakers' calls to resign before the full House votes. The spokesman said the governor was working in his Chicago office at the time of the vote but was not monitoring the impeachment panel hearing.

Blagojevich's press office put out a statement saying the panel's vote was not a surprise and predicting a "different" outcome in the Senate.

"The governor believes that the impeachment proceedings were flawed, biased and did not follow the rules of law," the statement said.

Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie (D., Chicago), who chaired the impeachment panel, said, "This is a very sad day in the state of Illinois." She called Blagojevich "an individual who is not fit to be the governor of the state of Illinois."

The committee based its vote on a lengthy report detailing a litany of Blagojevich's alleged abuses of power. It includes his expanding health care without legislative approval, spending state money on useless flu vaccines, refusing to release federal subpoenas and other government information to the public, widespread hiring abuses, and pay-to-play activities in which big contributors often wound up with hefty state contracts.

It also restates the federal charges against Blagojevich, including the allegation that he sought to peddle the U.S. Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama in exchange for a cabinet post, an ambassadorship, or a high-paying private job for himself or his wife.

Committee members noted that the governor refused to appear before them to rebut any of the allegations involving his conduct or the federal criminal charges.

The vote came after former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris, whom Blagojevich picked Dec. 30 to succeed Obama, testified under oath for more than an hour. Committee members asked how Blagojevich had come to appoint him and Burris said there was no quid pro quo involved.

"There was nothing . . . legal, personal or political exchanged for my appointment to this seat," Burris testified.

After his testimony, he told reporters: "I feel I passed the test with flying colors. I have nothing to hide."

Under questioning by the panel, Burris said he had approached lobbyist Lon Monk, Blagojevich's former chief of staff, in July or September to talk about lobbying business and to mention his interest in the Senate seat should Obama win the presidency.

Asked later if he felt odd doing so, given that Monk had been part of an administration under investigation, Burris replied no. He said he had "no idea" if Monk passed on his Senate desire to Blagojevich.

Burris continues to try to persuade U.S. Senate Democratic leaders to seat him, but they offered a noncommittal response after his testimony yesterday.

"Now that Mr. Burris has testified, we will review his testimony and discuss how to move forward," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.). He declined to offer any appraisal of Burris' performance.

During his testimony, Burris brushed aside questions about whether Blagojevich should resign.

Also yesterday, Blagojevich's defense attorneys urged U.S. District Chief Judge James F. Holderman to throw U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald and all his assistants off the case, contending that Fitzgerald violated rules about pretrial publicity at a Dec. 9 news conference announcing the charges against the governor. Federal prosecutors called the effort "meritless."

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20090109_Illinois_panel_vote_advances_impeachment.html
 
I'm surprised that the US's top cop didn't know the oldest part of the law. It isn't a crime if it hasn't happened yet.
Hmmmm. So, does that mean that no one can be charged with "Attempt" and that those convicted of attempt, i.e., attempt to murder, should be freed immediately ? ? ?

QueEx
 
Not semantics; facts: any "attempt crime" does not require the commission of the ultimate act, i.e., attempted murder does not require that the murder take place NOR DOES attempt to sell an office require the actual sale -- it merely requires an endeavor to accomplish the sale/murder beyond mere preparation, but falling short of execution of the ultimate design, sale/murder.

QueEx
 
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