The Gold Standard Is An Economic Myth Whose Only Benefit Is It Sounds Good

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The Gold Bug Variations
[SIZE=+2]The gold standard--and the men who love it. [/SIZE]

By Paul Krugman

The legend of King Midas has been generally misunderstood. Most people think the curse that turned everything the old miser touched into gold, leaving him unable to eat or drink, was a lesson in the perils of avarice. But Midas' true sin was his failure to understand monetary economics. What the gods were really telling him is that gold is just a metal. If it sometimes seems to be more, that is only because society has found it convenient to use gold as a medium of exchange--a bridge between other, truly desirable, objects. There are other possible mediums of exchange, and it is silly to imagine that this pretty, but only moderately useful, substance has some irreplaceable significance.

But there are many people--nearly all of them ardent conservatives--who reject that lesson. While Jack Kemp, Steve Forbes, and Wall Street Journal editor Robert Bartley are best known for their promotion of supply-side economics, they are equally dedicated to the belief that the key to prosperity is a return to the gold standard, which John Maynard Keynes pronounced a "barbarous relic" more than 60 years ago. With any luck, these latter-day Midases will never lay a finger on actual monetary policy. Nonetheless, these are influential people--they are one of the factions now struggling for the Republican Party's soul--and the passionate arguments they make for a gold standard are a useful window on how they think.

There is a case to be made for a return to the gold standard. It is not a very good case, and most sensible economists reject it, but the idea is not completely crazy. On the other hand, the ideas of our modern gold bugs are completely crazy. Their belief in gold is, it turns out, not pragmatic but mystical.

The current world monetary system assigns no special role to gold; indeed, the Federal Reserve is not obliged to tie the dollar to anything. It can print as much or as little money as it deems appropriate. There are powerful advantages to such an unconstrained system. Above all, the Fed is free to respond to actual or threatened recessions by pumping in money. To take only one example, that flexibility is the reason the stock market crash of 1987--which started out every bit as frightening as that of 1929--did not cause a slump in the real economy.

While a freely floating national money has advantages, however, it also has risks. For one thing, it can create uncertainties for international traders and investors. Over the past five years, the dollar has been worth as much as 120 yen and as little as 80. The costs of this volatility are hard to measure (partly because sophisticated financial markets allow businesses to hedge much of that risk), but they must be significant. Furthermore, a system that leaves monetary managers free to do good also leaves them free to be irresponsible--and, in some countries, they have been quick to take the opportunity. That is why countries with a history of runaway inflation, like Argentina, often come to the conclusion that monetary independence is a poisoned chalice. (Argentine law now requires that one peso be worth exactly one U.S. dollar, and that every peso in circulation be backed by a dollar in reserves.)

So, there is no obvious answer to the question of whether or not to tie a nation's currency to some external standard. By establishing a fixed rate of exchange between currencies--or even adopting a common currency--nations can eliminate the uncertainties of fluctuating exchange rates; and a country with a history of irresponsible policies may be able to gain credibility by association. (The Italian government wants to join a European Monetary Union largely because it hopes to refinance its massive debts at German interest rates.) On the other hand, what happens if two nations have joined their currencies, and one finds itself experiencing an inflationary boom while the other is in a deflationary recession? (This is exactly what happened to Europe in the early 1990s, when western Germany boomed while the rest of Europe slid into double-digit unemployment.) Then the monetary policy that is appropriate for one is exactly wrong for the other. These ambiguities explain why economists are divided over the wisdom of Europe's attempt to create a common currency. I personally think that it will lead, on average, to somewhat higher European unemployment rates; but many sensible economists disagree

So where does gold enter the picture?

While some modern nations have chosen, with reasonable justification, to renounce their monetary autonomy in favor of some external standard, the standard they choose these days is always the currency of another, presumably more responsible, nation. Argentina seeks salvation from the dollar; Italy from the deutsche mark. But the men and women who run the Fed, and even those who run the German Bundesbank, are mere mortals, who may yet succumb to the temptations of the printing press. Why not ensure monetary virtue by trusting not in the wisdom of men but in an objective standard? Why not emulate our great-grandfathers and tie our currencies to gold?

Very few economists think this would be a good idea. The argument against it is one of pragmatism, not principle. First, a gold standard would have all the disadvantages of any system of rigidly fixed exchange rates--and even economists who are enthusiastic about a common European currency generally think that fixing the European currency to the dollar or yen would be going too far. Second, and crucially, gold is not a stable standard when measured in terms of other goods and services. On the contrary, it is a commodity whose price is constantly buffeted by shifts in supply and demand that have nothing to do with the needs of the world economy--by changes, for example, in dentistry.

The United States abandoned its policy of stabilizing gold prices back in 1971. Since then the price of gold has increased roughly tenfold, while consumer prices have increased about 250 percent. If we had tried to keep the price of gold from rising, this would have required a massive decline in the prices of practically everything else--deflation on a scale not seen since the Depression. This doesn't sound like a particularly good idea.

So why are Jack Kemp, the Wall Street Journal, and so on so fixated on gold? I did not fully understand their position until I read a recent letter to, of all places, the left-wing magazine Mother Jones from Jude Wanniski--one of the founders of supply-side economics and its reigning guru. (One of the many comic-opera touches in the late unlamented Dole campaign was the constant struggle between Jack Kemp, who tried incessantly to give Wanniski a key role, and the sensible economists who tried to keep him out.) Wanniski's main concern was to deny that the rich have gotten richer in recent decades; his letter is posted on the Mother Jones Web site, and makes interesting reading.

But, particularly noteworthy was the following passage:

First let us get our accounting unit squared away. To measure anything in the floating paper dollar will get us nowhere. We must convert all wealth into the measure employed by mankind for 6,000 years, i.e., ounces of gold. On this measure, the Dow Jones industrial average of 6,000 today is only 60 percent of the DJIA of 30 years ago, when it hit 1,000. Back then, gold was $35 per ounce. Today it is $380-plus. This is another way of saying that in the last 30 years, the people who owned America have lost 40 percent of their wealth held in the form of equity. ... If you owned no part of corporate America 30 years ago, because you were poor, you lost nothing. If you owned lots of it, you lost your shirt in the general inflation.

Never mind the question of whether the Dow Jones industrial average is the proper measure of how well the rich are doing. What is fascinating about this passage is that Wanniski regards gold as the appropriate measure of wealth, regardless of the quantity of other goods and services that it can buy. Since the dollar was de-linked from gold in 1971, the Dow has risen about 700 percent, while the prices of the goods we ordinarily associate with the pursuit of happiness--food, houses, clothes, cars, servants--have gone up only about 250 percent. In terms of the ability to buy almost anything except gold, the purchasing power of the rich has soared; but Wanniski insists that this is irrelevant, because gold, and only gold, is the true standard of value. Wanniski, in other words, has committed the sin of King Midas: He has forgotten that gold is only a metal, and that its value comes only from the truly useful goods for which it can be exchanged.

I wonder whether the gods read SLATE. If so, they know what to do. </TABLE>
 
source: Mother Jones

Goldbug Variations


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The politics of gold mania and the rise of the right-wing gold fanatics.

— By Tim Murphy

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1775 The Continental Congress prints paper dollars backed by Spanish gold. Overprinting and hyperinflation render them "worthless as a Continental."
1795 The US Mint produces its first gold coins, though most early American currency is silver.
1849 California Gold Rush increases supply of gold currency.



</TD><TD vAlign=top>1862 To pay for the Union war effort, the Treasury prints "greenbacks"—bills not backed by specie, prompting gold hoarding. The Confederacy says its money is backed by gold—when it turns out it's not, the Confederate dollar's value crashes.
1873 Amid a silver boom, the Coinage Act cuts back on the production of silver coins. Cash-strapped farmers and small businessmen, who'd hoped to pay off debts with "free silver," brand the act "the Crime of 1873" and vilify gold as the choice of East Coast bankers.



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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top width=310>1893 Financial panic leads to a run on gold, which plunges the nation into a depression. The Treasury is left with devalued silver stock. Republicans blame pro-silver forces.
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1896 William Jennings Bryan delivers his "Cross of Gold" speech, railing against gold and "the idle holders of idle capital" who back it. "Silver Democrats" square off against Republican "goldbugs."
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1900 The Gold Standard Act formally places the dollar on the gold standard. L. Frank Baum publishes The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, which some see as a political parable of the tensions between the supporters of gold and silver (the original color of Dorothy's slippers).
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1932 Wary of the incoming Roosevelt administration's monetary policy, Americans withdraw $1.3 billion worth of gold from banks.
1933 To fight gold hoarding, Congress authorizes an executive order making the possession of gold coins and bullion a felony. Alarmed, FDR's budget director warns, "This is the end of Western civilization!" The gold standard is temporarily suspended in an effort to beat back deflation.
1937 Most of the nation's gold supply is moved to the new US Bullion Depository inside Ft. Knox.
1952 The Daughters of the American Revolution call for an investigation into the alleged disappearance of Ft. Knox's gold. President Truman invites them to inspect the stockpile themselves; they decline. (See "<!---->All the Gold in Ft. Knox<!---->.")
1953 The Treasury audits the federal gold stockpile, reporting, "Everything is there."
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1959 Ian Fleming baddie Auric Goldfinger plots to destabilize the dollar by setting off a nuke inside Ft. Knox.
1966 In Ayn Rand's Objectivist newsletter, a young Alan Greenspan describes currency not backed by gold as a tool of "welfare statists" bent on "the confiscation of wealth."
1971 As part of the "Nixon Shock," the US takes the dollar off the gold standard. Fed chair Arthur Burns cautions, "Pravda would write that this was a sign of the collapse of capitalism."



</TD><TD vAlign=top width=310>1974 Tabloids claim LBJ sold off the US gold supply to the British. Ft. Knox opens its vaults to the General Accounting Office and the media—gold still there.
1974 President Ford reverses FDR's 1933 gold order, legalizing bullion once more.
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1978 Bette Midler, fearing financial shocks, asks to be paid in Krugerrands for her European tour.
1979 Survivalist guru Howard Ruff releases the best-selling How to Prosper During the Coming Bad Years, urging readers to stockpile gold.
1980 Amid rampant inflation, presidential candidate Ronald Reagan calls for a return to the gold standard. Gold prices hit new highs, then crash after President Reagan curbs inflation by other means.
1981 Reagan appoints a commission to study gold and monetary policy. It concludes that a return to the gold standard would not be "fruitful." Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) dissents.
1985 Anti-apartheid sanctions ban the buying of Krugerrands.
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1995 The Left Behind series depicts the dollar as an instrument of the Antichrist and one-world government. Its heroes stock up on gold.
1999 In preparation for Y2K, patriot groups and panicky investors gather gold.
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2007 The FBI raids the headquarters of Liberty Dollar, a private mint that issued "inflation proof" gold coins, including one with Ron Paul on it. Its director has been charged with selling "coins in resemblance and similitude to US coins."
2009 The House passes Paul's proposal to audit the Federal Reserve—which he says would include Ft. Knox. Paul also introduces the Free Competition in Currency Act, which would allow private citizens to mint currency.
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2010 South Carolina state Rep. Mike Pitts drafts a bill that would ban dollars in the state and replace them with gold and silver coins.



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The current world monetary system assigns no special role to gold; indeed, the Federal Reserve is not obliged to tie the dollar to anything. It can print as much or as little money as it deems appropriate. There are powerful advantages to such an unconstrained system. Above all, the Fed is free to respond to actual or threatened recessions by pumping in money. To take only one example, that flexibility is the reason the stock market crash of 1987--which started out every bit as frightening as that of 1929--did not cause a slump in the real economy.

Thought, I'm not gonna waste my time with Krugman but I just wanted to highlight the enormous privilege of the Fed (who are not accountable to any governing body). One dispute in Krugman's piece is that he continues to deny gold as a measure of wealth and never concedes the FRN is simply an instrument of debt.

Shouldn't this be the primary focus of any regulation by the govt, if not, why not? For instance, no housing bubble could've been created if the monetary supply was constant, right?

2) let's just have competing currencies and if the Federal Reserve note is as valuable as these mainstream economists say, the dollar should have no problem keeping its reserve currency status.
 
Wanniski's main concern was to deny that the rich have gotten richer in recent decades;

source: Media Matters

Yesterday, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) unexpectedly suggested that he could support President Obama's plan to enact permanent tax cuts for the middle class while allowing the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy to expire. Boehner's comments have prompted fierce pushback from conservatives in the House and Senate alike, who disagree with the public about giving tax cuts to the richest Americans. In a speech on the Senate floor today, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) argued that Obama's plan would hurt "the people who've been hit hardest by this recession."

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1893 Financial panic leads to a run on gold, which plunges the nation into a depression. The Treasury is left with devalued silver stock. Republicans blame pro-silver forces.
 
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1893 Financial panic leads to a run on gold, which plunges the nation into a depression. The Treasury is left with devalued silver stock. Republicans blame pro-silver forces.

Exactly why a competing currency is necessary. Gold & silver are instruments of wealth and can't be manipulated. It protects the owner from the reckless policies of the Bush admin, as well as the Obama admin. Don't get mad cause somebody is making money due to irresponsible monetary policy.

Federal Reserve Notes are instruments of debt, simple!
 
Exactly why a competing currency is necessary. Gold & silver are instruments of wealth and can't be manipulated. It protects the owner from the reckless policies of the Bush admin, as well as the Obama admin. Don't get mad cause somebody is making money due to irresponsible monetary policy.

Federal Reserve Notes are instruments of debt, simple!

Gold & silver are instruments of wealth and can't be manipulated.

Says who? The only value of gold is what we place on it. As the thread states, Mystical Gold Standard.

BTF (Before The Fed)


1849 California Gold Rush increases supply of gold currency.

1873 Amid a silver boom, the Coinage Act cuts back on the production of silver coins. Cash-strapped farmers and small businessmen, who'd hoped to pay off debts with "free silver," brand the act "the Crime of 1873" and vilify gold as the choice of East Coast bankers

1893 Financial panic leads to a run on gold, which plunges the nation into a depression. The Treasury is left with devalued silver stock. Republicans blame pro-silver forces.
 
Says who? The only value of gold is what we place on it. As the thread states, Mystical Gold Standard.

You sound like those CNBC cats that dont understand why gold is going through the roof. Sorry, but the price of gold is simply exposing the weakness of the dollar & other fiat currencies the Rockefellors & Rothschilds control

So whats wrong with a competing currency (gold/silver), then you will see the value "we" place gold & silver, at the same time you will see the value "we" put on a Federal Reserve Note.

The fiat dollars are being manipulated by a group of bankers and you or Krugman, never question their motives, nor hold them accountable for their actions.

Straight from the Fed's website, their mandate:
• Setting monetary policy to ensure a stable currency and economic growth.
• Regulating US banking institutions
• Maintaining the overall all stability of the US financial system
• Providing financial services to the US government.
 
Fiat currencies have been manipulated for a long time by many govts. Here's a picture of what this brotha took to by a loaf of bread in Zimbabwe, real talk!

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You sound like those CNBC cats that dont understand why gold is going through the roof. Sorry, but the price of gold is simply exposing the weakness of the dollar & other fiat currencies the Rockefellors & Rothschilds control

So whats wrong with a competing currency (gold/silver), then you will see the value "we" place gold & silver, at the same time you will see the value "we" put on a Federal Reserve Note.

The fiat dollars are being manipulated by a group of bankers and you or Krugman, never question their motives, nor hold them accountable for their actions.

Straight from the Fed's website, their mandate:
• Setting monetary policy to ensure a stable currency and economic growth.
• Regulating US banking institutions
• Maintaining the overall all stability of the US financial system
• Providing financial services to the US government.


1980 Amid rampant inflation, presidential candidate Ronald Reagan calls for a return to the gold standard. Gold prices hit new highs, then crash after President Reagan curbs inflation by other means.
 
Fiat currencies have been manipulated for a long time by many govts. Here's a picture of what this brotha took to by a loaf of bread in Zimbabwe, real talk!

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There ya go! The USA and Zimbabwe are equivalent.:hmm::confused::lol:

Your argument's are laughable!
 
There ya go! The USA and Zimbabwe are equivalent.:hmm::confused::lol:

Your argument's are laughable!

same monetary policy, excerpts from Welcome To Zimbabwe

Ben Bernanke
But the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation.

Gono is the head of Zimbabwe's reserve bank

Mr. Gono's quotes of course are laughable. But hopefully the point is made that inflation is no laughing matter, and hyperinflation is downright tragic. No tool other than war can completely destroy an economy like inflation. Zimbabwe is living proof — happening right now in our lifetimes. And yet it is America's central bank that in many ways has served as an inspiration for the Zimbabwean policies.

The great Henry Hazlitt wrote, "Inflation is a twisted magnifying lens through which everything is confused, distorted, and out of focus, so that few men are any longer able to see realities in their true proportions."

No two men are more confused and out of focus than Chairman Bernanke and Governor Gono.

Gold/silver protects its owners from inflation
 
Is there an example of a successful Free Market economy in history?

U answerin' questions with questions now?

Don't quite understand why Bernanke is following Zimbabwe's monetary policy? Keep trusting these guys! I'll take my payments in gold or silver, thank you!

I'm plannin' a Keynesian book-burning, I'll promote it on BGOL :D

Far real, gold has went up about $6-700 dollars since Bernanke has been chairman. Gold owners think he's doin a heckuva job

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U answerin' questions with questions now?

Don't quite understand why Bernanke is following Zimbabwe's monetary policy? Keep trusting these guys! I'll take my payments in gold or silver, thank you!

I'm plannin' a Keynesian book-burning, I'll promote it on BGOL :D

Far real, gold has went up about $6-700 dollars since Bernanke has been chairman. Gold owners think he's doin a heckuva job

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U answerin' questions with questions now?

I've been asking this question for going on 2 years, you dodge it continually. Classic!
 
I've been asking this question for going on 2 years, you dodge it continually. Classic!

let's be real Thought, it's rare when you even attempt to answer 'real' questions or provide an explanation for certain scenarios. So until you admit Bernanke's policy is no different than that which has been used in Zimbabwe, I'll play your game.

So...........How is Bernanke's policy different from that which is used in Zimbabwe?
 
let's be real Thought, it's rare when you even attempt to answer 'real' questions or provide an explanation for certain scenarios. So until you admit Bernanke's policy is no different than that which has been used in Zimbabwe, I'll play your game.

So...........How is Bernanke's policy different from that which is used in Zimbabwe?


If you answer my question truthfully, you know all of your rhetoric will fall by the way side.

I live in the real world, not ideology and conspiracy theories.
 
If you answer my question truthfully, you know all of your rhetoric will fall by the way side.

I live in the real world, not ideology and conspiracy theories.

you let gold act as a competing currency with a Federal Reserve Note, and we'll see whose rhetoric falls by the way side!

Na, you live in a bubble. When you, Krugman, Bernanke, & Obama figure out you can't re-inflate a bubble, you will then understand reality. Hell, you can't even tell me why gold is over $1270/ounce.

But since we live in bizarro world & Bernanke was Time magazine's Man of the Year, Why don't they just make BP company of the Year?
 
I'm an outsider looking in and I'll give my opinion.

Answering questions with more questions is a "trick" of sorts. Rise above tricks and give absolute logic - otherwise what's going on is not genuine.

Gold or silver are not magic bullets in and of themselves. They serve as a tangible asset that backs paper. Should paper continue to lose its value, logic moves you in a direction of obtaining something else that still has value and if that something else also has practical, regular real world, or specific industrial use, you take that as a double-win.

The excessive printing of paper has diluted the value of the bills currently in circulation. Some of the mistakes by the FED may have been genuine. Yet in their worst moments, the FED has engaged in something that is only a sophisticated version of counterfeiting and fraudulent by nature.

The FED should be under continuous audits for complete transparency. The numbers behind their actions do not add up yet with the cloak of secrecy, there is no threat for them to change their behavior. Founding fathers to some contemporary economic scholars today have questioned the idea of unaccountable, central bankers.

/Rant,
 
Answering questions with more questions is a "trick" of sorts. Rise above tricks and give absolute logic - otherwise what's going on is not genuine.

I've been reading posts from Thought over a year now, thats his style. First, he'll attack the crediblity of the poster. Then, he tries to label the poster as a TeaBagger along with his usual tactics. All the while, the topic of discussion is totally eluded. No genuine effort whatsoever, to refute any rebuttals to an opposing view.

Gold or silver are not magic bullets in and of themselves.

I'll agree with that, but all I asked was: what if gold/silver were introduced as a 'competing' currency? The reason Keynesians don't like talk of the Gold Standard is because gold would diminish the Central banks ability to create money. So they must dismiss it as some sort of 'conspiracy'. BTW, gold is up $7 today. This shit should start becoming obvious to innocent people who are having their savings wiped out due to the inflationary policies at the Fed

Founding fathers to some contemporary economic scholars today have questioned the idea of unaccountable, central bankers.
/Rant,

If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered - Thomas Jefferson
 
I've been reading posts from Thought over a year now, thats his style. First, he'll attack the crediblity of the poster. Then, he tries to label the poster as a TeaBagger along with his usual tactics. All the while, the topic of discussion is totally eluded. No genuine effort whatsoever, to refute any rebuttals to an opposing view.


I asked you that question when you first entered this board and you refuse to answer it. I'm not going to defend Bernanke. That is one of your tactics. I've decided when you answer one of my questions, I will answer yours, because you are clearly arguing ideology, which has never be successful in human history. Call me a liar! The issue of gold standard arises every time the right fuck up the economy with there right wing policies and think that the reason it didn't work is because they didn't go right enough. First it was silver, that failed now it's gold. Next it will be platinum.
 
I've been reading posts from Thought over a year now, thats his style. First, he'll attack the crediblity of the poster. Then, he tries to label the poster as a TeaBagger along with his usual tactics. All the while, the topic of discussion is totally eluded. No genuine effort whatsoever, to refute any rebuttals to an opposing view.

I haven't followed his posts closely but if that's his style hook, line and sinker: you shouldn't play the game. If you do, you're wasting your time.

I'll agree with that, but all I asked was: what if gold/silver were introduced as a 'competing' currency? The reason Keynesians don't like talk of the Gold Standard is because gold would diminish the Central banks ability to create money. So they must dismiss it as some sort of 'conspiracy'. BTW, gold is up $7 today. This shit should start becoming obvious to innocent people who are having their savings wiped out due to the inflationary policies at the Fed

I don't think they want competing currencies right now. The bizarre thing about the price of gold is despite how valuable it is, there have been rumors of its true value being artificially suppressed in the past. Your best bet is to diversify your holdings into various paper currencies from around the world and combine that with investment in various tangible assets as well. Also stock up on some commodities to beat any "worst case" scenarios of basic commodities soaring in price.

If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered - Thomas Jefferson

Good quote. Not breathing down the necks of bankers and being aware of their activities is the pinnacle of ignorance. As they say, "There is none so blind as those who choose not to see."
 
Is there an example of a successful Free Market economy in history?

I answered this weak question a while back but I'll reiterate: President Harding, (I don't know & really don't give a damn if he was a dim or Repub) chose to let the free market solve the economic problems in 1920. And all malinvestment was purged, the depression of 1920 was solved within 18 months. REBALANCED ECONOMY WITHOUT GOVT INTERVENTION


The Forgotten Depression of 1920


The connection between this version of history and the events of today is obvious enough: once again, it is claimed, wildcat capitalism has created a terrific mess, and once again, only a combination of fiscal and monetary stimulus can save us.

In order to make sure that this version of events sticks, little, if any, public mention is ever made of the depression of 1920–1921. And no wonder — that historical experience deflates the ambitions of those who promise us political solutions to the real imbalances at the heart of economic busts.

The conventional wisdom holds that in the absence of government countercyclical policy, whether fiscal or monetary (or both), we cannot expect economic recovery — at least, not without an intolerably long delay. Yet the very opposite policies were followed during the depression of 1920–1921, and recovery was in fact not long in coming.

The economic situation in 1920 was grim. By that year unemployment had jumped from 4 percent to nearly 12 percent, and GNP declined 17 percent. No wonder, then, that Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover — falsely characterized as a supporter of laissez-faire economics — urged President Harding to consider an array of interventions to turn the economy around. Hoover was ignored.

Instead of "fiscal stimulus," Harding cut the government's budget nearly in half between 1920 and 1922. The rest of Harding's approach was equally laissez-faire. Tax rates were slashed for all income groups. The national debt was reduced by one-third.

The Federal Reserve's activity, moreover, was hardly noticeable. As one economic historian puts it, "Despite the severity of the contraction, the Fed did not move to use its powers to turn the money supply around and fight the contraction."[2] By the late summer of 1921, signs of recovery were already visible. The following year, unemployment was back down to 6.7 percent and it was only 2.4 percent by 1923.
 
I answered this weak question a while back but I'll reiterate: President Harding, (I don't know & really don't give a damn if he was a dim or Repub) chose to let the free market solve the economic problems in 1920. And all malinvestment was purged, the depression of 1920 was solved within 18 months. REBALANCED ECONOMY WITHOUT GOVT INTERVENTION


The Forgotten Depression of 1920

Doing the right thing, led to a massive wrong thing by the BIG GOVERNMENT types.

You do know, because of that, Britain's inflationary, war-ravaged economy was exposed as completely uncompetitive relative to the United States and the rest of the world.

It was from that point Sir Montagu Norman, at the Bank of England, embarked on a policy to use the United States economy as the reserve for inflationary Bank of England policy, all with the cooperation of Benjamin Strong, at the New York Fed.

Paradoxically, this year of non-government interference and outside meddling in the economy, set the stage for the great expansion in credit that led to the "Roaring 20s" and the eventual government "stimulus" that created and prolonged the Great Depression.

Why would the Americans prop up the British? Can you say virulent racism and the belief in Anglo-American white supremacy?
 
Can you buy gold or do you buy shares of gold. If someone wanted to buy say a million in gold would he actually get gold that he can carry home and put in his safe or would he get a stack of paper saying that he has a million in gold but it is being held by a bank or the govt. Anyway you look at it the gold standard is a myth it's not practical.
 
I answered this weak question a while back but I'll reiterate: President Harding, (I don't know & really don't give a damn if he was a dim or Repub) chose to let the free market solve the economic problems in 1920. And all malinvestment was purged, the depression of 1920 was solved within 18 months. REBALANCED ECONOMY WITHOUT GOVT INTERVENTION


The Forgotten Depression of 1920


I have been searching on the net about this interpretation of the Harding administration. It seems the arguments you posted are verbatim on at least 11 differently labeled web sites, with out footnotes or references. Which leads me to believe it most likely originated from some infamous libertarian right wing think tank. Revisionist history. Harding was taught in my 11th grade history class and was famous for the Tea Pot Dome Scandal. From my learnings about him he was possibly the 4th or 5th most corrupt president. His fiscal policies were akin to Reagan's which led to the 30 year boom and bust that followed the so called Reagan revolution.

As far as free markets, Harding was known as one of the most protectionist Presidents in history, responsible for tariffs that many say led to the Great Depression.

I will be research this.


BTW, Harding Coolidge and Hoover were republicans.
 
Can you buy gold or do you buy shares of gold. If someone wanted to buy say a million in gold would he actually get gold that he can carry home and put in his safe or would he get a stack of paper saying that he has a million in gold but it is being held by a bank or the govt. Anyway you look at it the gold standard is a myth it's not practical.

yes u can get real gold and silver in ur hands it u want. look up numismatic dealer in ur searchb bar. dont get certificates , get the real thing. on a sidenote, following the gold standard is the only way to operate a country's money. i dont give a damn if the 100 smartest economist of the world stated otherwise. i've posted many replies dating back 10+ yrs about fiat money ,gold backed money, and buying gold and silver. fiat money is the cause of all the shit we're in now.:angry:
 
yes u can get real gold and silver in ur hands it u want. look up numismatic dealer in ur searchb bar. dont get certificates , get the real thing. on a sidenote, following the gold standard is the only way to operate a country's money. i dont give a damn if the 100 smartest economist of the world stated otherwise. i've posted many replies dating back 10+ yrs about fiat money ,gold backed money, and buying gold and silver. fiat money is the cause of all the shit we're in now.:angry:

Of course you can buy gold the question is would a gold standard be practical the answer is no. Fiat money been around for centuries because govts and banks monopolize gold they determine the values. In many ways it's no different than fiat money but with trading gold can be driven to prices that would bankrupt countries. Gold is a good investment for investors but the gold standard is and always has been a myth.
 
Of course you can buy gold the question is would a gold standard be practical the answer is no. Fiat money been around for centuries because govts and banks monopolize gold they determine the values. In many ways it's no different than fiat money but with trading gold can be driven to prices that would bankrupt countries. Gold is a good investment for investors but the gold standard is and always has been a myth.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:that is why i hate to have a discussion on certain topics, folks want to theorize about shit they dont understand ,AND THEN, post shit thats completly opposite from what they posted earlier.
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol:that is why i hate to have a discussion on certain topics, folks want to theorize about shit they dont understand ,AND THEN, post shit thats completly opposite from what they posted earlier.

I was being sarcastic in the 1st post.
 
I have been searching on the net about this interpretation of the Harding administration. It seems the arguments you posted are verbatim on at least 11 differently labeled web sites, with out footnotes or references. Which leads me to believe it most likely originated from some infamous libertarian right wing think tank. Revisionist history. Harding was taught in my 11th grade history class and was famous for the Tea Pot Dome Scandal. From my learnings about him he was possibly the 4th or 5th most corrupt president. His fiscal policies were akin to Reagan's which led to the 30 year boom and bust that followed the so called Reagan revolution.

As far as free markets, Harding was known as one of the most protectionist Presidents in history, responsible for tariffs that many say led to the Great Depression.

I will be research this.

BTW, Harding Coolidge and Hoover were republicans.

So there you have it: Harding cut the size of govt by nearly half & reduced tax rates for all income brackets.

Of course, your rebuttal doesn't address any of his tactics to produce these positive results. You only talk of scandal, swipes at Reagan, the usual. I don't give a damn if he got a blow job in the Oval office, he made the correct decisions in regards to the American economy!

BTW, Hoover was a Keynesian, Just Like Bush! I'm still gonna have my Keynesian book-burning :D
 
Doing the right thing, led to a massive wrong thing by the BIG GOVERNMENT types.

You do know, because of that, Britain's inflationary, war-ravaged economy was exposed as completely uncompetitive relative to the United States and the rest of the world.

It was from that point Sir Montagu Norman, at the Bank of England, embarked on a policy to use the United States economy as the reserve for inflationary Bank of England policy, all with the cooperation of Benjamin Strong, at the New York Fed.

Paradoxically, this year of non-government interference and outside meddling in the economy, set the stage for the great expansion in credit that led to the "Roaring 20s" and the eventual government "stimulus" that created and prolonged the Great Depression.

Why would the Americans prop up the British? Can you say virulent racism and the belief in Anglo-American white supremacy?

I've read this post a few times, help me out. Are you saying since America made the correct economic decisions, it later led/forced, central banks around the world to collude with each other to promote Anglo-American supremacy that we are still battling today?
 
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