The Economy's Real Problem IS THAT YOU ARE OVERPAID

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The Economy's Real Problem IS THAT YOU ARE OVERPAID!!


What is the economic plan for American workers that the majority of US companies espouse?

In a word- serfdom!

The RepubliKlan party is eager to further facilitate the complete destruction of what’s left of the middle class. Most of the Democrats are so “cash-whipped” by the huge corporate cash being spent against them and the 24/7 media lie that “democrats are anti-business” that they have abandoned the American worker as the nation slides into neo-feudalism.

Former John McCain economic advisor shamelessly makes the case on Bloomberg.com for neo-feudalism. Can you hear the laughter on the Gulfstream jets as the richest 1/10 of 1 percent contemplate whether the “unwashed masses” will slit their own throats?????



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The Economy's Real Problem Is That You're Overpaid


by Tom Petruno

Sept. 7, 2010


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/mon...in-hassett-american-enterprise-institute.html
<br>Kevin Hassett thinks he has the solution to America’s employment problem: Pay cuts all around.<br>
“The biggest problem with the labor market right now is that wages are too high,” Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, writes in his latest column for Bloomberg News.<br>He concedes that his proposal is the kind that is “perfectly at home in economics textbooks” but “so beastly in practice that nobody is willing to mention them.”<br>
But he’s willing. He writes:<blockquote><br>Economics teaches that full employment would be reached if wages adjust downward, to a level that better reflects current circumstances. At lower wages, employers would desire more workers. Labor markets generate persistent unemployment only if wages are sticky, failing to fall as demand declines.</blockquote><br>Many workers’ wages already would be lower, Hassett says, except for government policies that keep&nbsp; them elevated. Not surprisingly he singles out federal and state minimum wage laws, long a source of intense debate regarding their effect on employment.<div align="left">
<!-- MSTableType="layout" --><br><img src="http://i54.tinypic.com/dfeet5.png" align="left" style="margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px;" border="1"></div> He notes that since July 2007 the federal minimum wage has risen three times, to the current $7.25 an hour from $5.15, a 41% jump.<br>
To bring down the 26.3% teen unemployment rate, Hassett says, Congress should scale back the minimum wage to $5.85, its level when the recession began in December 2007.<br>
He also goes after union workers, arguing that “unions should be willing to reopen collective bargaining agreements and accept lower wages.”<br>
Government can do more to abet lower wages as well, Hassett writes: "Government policies should induce workers to take the plunge and accept lower wages. These policies could include carrots -- tax credits that offset large wage declines, for example -- and sticks, such as a reduction in the duration of unemployment insurance benefits."<br>
Putting aside that Hassett seems to be specifically targeting middle- to lower-class wage earners for pay cuts (as opposed to the salaries of Fortune 500 CEOs or PhD economists), he could at least have acknowledged that many Americans already have seen their income and/or benefits reduced since the recession began. He also might have mentioned that companies remain reluctant to hire even though they can easily force reduced salaries on new hires, given the massive labor glut.

<br><strong>But most puzzling is that he say nothing about the risk that his wage-hacking proposal could fuel a broad-based deflation in the U.S. economy -- exactly the nightmare that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke wants to avoid.</strong>

<br>Consumer spending accounts for more than two-thirds of gross domestic product. Spending derives from income. Add millions more people overnight to the ranks of those who are earning less than they were a couple of years ago and you surely would reduce spending.<br>
Wouldn’t that force many businesses to cut prices to try to stoke demand? Note that smaller firms already say their biggest problems are weak sales and uncertainty about the future.<br>
And if consumers spend less, and corporate earnings fall because of price-cutting, what incentive would&nbsp; companies have to hire more workers to expand their output? Just because workers are cheap?<br>
In short, Hassett writes about across-the-board wage cuts as if they would magically restore job growth and economic growth with no risk of serious adverse consequences.<br>
In some parallel universe, maybe?



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Your Fat Paycheck Keeps Your Neighbor Unemployed


by Kevin Hassett - Sep 6, 2010


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...s-your-neighbor-unemployed-kevin-hassett.html

Some observations perfectly at home in economics textbooks can be so beastly in practice that nobody is willing to mention them.

Ignoring the facts, though, leads to bad policies, and with the U.S. unemployment rate at a stubborn 9.6 percent, we don’t need more of those.

So here comes the leap into ice-cold water: The biggest problem with the labor market right now is that wages are too high. As Washington again turns to government spending as a cure for unemployment, some against-the-grain thinking is in order.

Economics teaches that full employment would be reached if wages adjust downward, to a level that better reflects current circumstances. At lower wages, employers would desire more workers. Labor markets generate persistent unemployment only if wages are sticky, failing to fall as demand declines.

A number of reasons help explain why wages don’t and won’t drop, beginning with federal and state minimum-wage laws.

Second, because union contracts generally cover multiple years, adjusting wages in response to economic circumstances would require a return to the bargaining table, which rarely happens.

Third, the natural reluctance of workers to accept lower pay is amplified by how their wage helps define their identity. A $60,000-a-year office worker might have an extra-hard time coming to terms with becoming a $40,000-a-year worker.

Finally, workers and jobs might be mismatched, either geographically or occupationally. Workers might be needed in places they don’t want to move to, or can’t afford to live.

Bad Timing

There are ample signs that these obstacles to lower wages are helping drive high unemployment today.

In an example of poor policy timing, Democrats chose to lift the minimum wage during the worst possible time, just as wages should have been reduced.

Since 2007, the year the recession began, the federal minimum wage has risen to $7.25 an hour from $5.15 -- an increase of 41 percent. Democrats in Congress proposed the three-stage increase, and Republican President George W. Bush enacted it, as part of a spending measure that focused mainly on financing the war in Iraq.

Increasing labor costs via higher minimum wages at any time poses a risk of higher unemployment; doing so during a recessionary labor market is policy negligence. It would be nice, and perhaps fanciful, to think that had Democrats seen the recession coming in 2007, they might have cut back on their minimum-wage blowout.

Hard on Teens

Teenage workers, who as a group fill many minimum-wage jobs, have been hit disproportionately hard by the recession. The teen unemployment rate has increased to 26.3 percent from 16.9 percent in December 2007.

In a similar vein, evidence shows that union workers are harmed, in terms of employment rates, by their generally higher wages. In 2009, the percentage of union members among the employed dropped to 7.2 percent -- the lowest rate in postwar history.

That Americans in large numbers aren’t pulling up their roots to follow jobs is made clear by the disparity in state unemployment rates. Nevada suffers the highest unemployment at 14.3 percent, while North Dakota weighs in at a surprisingly low 3.6 percent, a rate any state would be bragging about even in the best of economic times.

So why isn’t there a traffic jam of job-seekers trekking from Las Vegas to Fargo, and from other high-unemployment areas to high-employment ones?

99 Weeks

One reason is unemployment insurance. State unemployment insurance programs usually limit benefits to 26 weeks. However, between various state and federal programs to extend benefits during the recession, unemployment benefits can continue up to a total of 99 weeks, giving people less incentive to pick up and move on when they lose their jobs.

Another complication is the American culture of homeownership. In today’s market, lots of people couldn’t sell their house and relocate even if they wanted to. So chalk one up for renting.

If, as we’ve seen, wage stickiness is driving unemployment higher, the challenge is to enact the public-policy equivalent of Goo Gone. A few ideas come to mind.

First, the minimum wage should be scaled back to $5.85, its level when the recession began in December 2007. There were about 980,000 minimum-wage workers in 2009, half of them more than 24 years of age. This change could have a big impact on aggregate employment.

Tax Credits

Second, government policies should induce workers to take the plunge and accept lower wages. These policies could include carrots -- tax credits that offset large wage declines, for example -- and sticks, such as a reduction in the duration of unemployment insurance benefits.

Finally, unions should be willing to reopen collective bargaining agreements and accept lower wages.

While painful, and perilous for a politician even to discuss, these measures would do a lot to move the economy back toward full employment.

(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He was an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.)


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Technically he's right, lower wages would lead to higher employment probably better service and products too. But that's just one option, ending corporate welfare would do the same thing and fewer people would be pissed off we're talking 10% of the population vs 90% with that option. Another option is getting rid of the upper class, putting a limit on how much a individual can earn and how much wealth a family can own it's already being done in Japan so why not try it here. What we really need is a good old fashion riot against the elites if they don't change their thinking it will happen sooner than later.
 
Re: The Economy's Real Problem IS THAT YOU ARE OVERPAID!!

Technically he's right, lower wages would lead to higher employment probably better service and products too. But that's just one option, ending corporate welfare would do the same thing and fewer people would be pissed off we're talking 10% of the population vs 90% with that option. Another option is getting rid of the upper class, putting a limit on how much a individual can earn and how much wealth a family can own it's already being done in Japan so why not try it here. What we really need is a good old fashion riot against the elites if they don't change their thinking it will happen sooner than later.

I can agree with some of your premise but that part has never borne out in practice. Do we really get better service in industries with low earning employees and we already get products from terribly low paying countries and it's not nearly the quality as a lof of American counterparts or from countries with higher minimum wage laws.

There will be no riot against "the elites". Those in power, both Democrats and Republicans but especially the GOP, have done an excellent job of convincing people that they are part of "the elites" even when they aren't even close. Hence the current debated about the Bush tax cuts on the top earners.
 
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There would be better service and products because there would be more people supervising products and service. Countries with low wages usually don't have regulations or standards like the U.S and thats a big reason why the products are inferior. The wealth gap is going to lead to riots in the streets and rich people know it. There is no other option for working people. Politicians have done a great job of blurring the lines between haves and have nots thru hate politics but that is going to play out. Pretty soon even the most avowed racist, homophobe, anti-semite or what ever is going to see the real enemy is the system.
 
Re: The Economy's Real Problem IS THAT YOU ARE OVERPAID!!

Technically he's right, lower wages would lead to higher employment probably better service and products too. But that's just one option, ending corporate welfare would do the same thing and fewer people would be pissed off we're talking 10% of the population vs 90% with that option. Another option is getting rid of the upper class, putting a limit on how much a individual can earn and how much wealth a family can own it's already being done in Japan so why not try it here. What we really need is a good old fashion riot against the elites if they don't change their thinking it will happen sooner than later.

It would be nice if there was some exponential curve that comes into play once you make a certain amount.

I'm conflicted, because...I think one should be able to make as much as they want/put the effort into...

I don't have a disdain for millionaires...but there should be no billionaires. It gets to a point, why does one individual need that much money...outside of power. And no one man should have all that power...corny I know...

But this is socialist/communist talk.
 
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what kind of sucker born every minute logic is this, now all of a sudden its ok to be socialist, once the bailout pimps got paid..

its just crazy. its like professional sports, put a cap on the slave athletes but no salary cap on what an owner can make..

the elitist have been running game, since they fucked the natives over with their self serving treaties that they broke everytime it favored them to do so, and havent stopped since.


jUst one big suckers game, and the people suffer, because we have too many go along to get along idiots who have no idea the damage they are doing to themselves and their families in the long run by consigning tea party bullshit, and they dont even make half of six fiqures a year.

just pathetic...

tax the rich all day every fuckkin day..

bailout the middle class now!!

the elitist got too many folks thinking Obama is the worse thing to happen, when in fact its true, but only for their getting over asses..

he is the best thing for the middle class right now...


only a fool over dosing on tea parties cant see that reality.
 
The REAL problem with the economy is that it is based on overvalued assets! You can't take it out on workin-class people. The real solution is to let the free market sort out the winners & losers. The prices will adjust & a REAL economy will emerge.

But don't blame this on capitalism, capitalism died 10-3-08 when Bush & Obama gave the bankers their bailout. The free market was telling us the bankers should "kick rocks & die". Prices should have been allowed to come down to levels where its affordable to the common man but what you see now is the govt trying to keep prices high (whether its housing, education, energy etc.)

That article is nothing more than typical left vs. right bullshit to keep people divided. Look through the bullshit to see what these pompous blowhards are telling you on the TV or newspapers.

And someone tell Bernanke that he can't re-inflate a bubble! Thats all these stimuli are meant to do
 
The REAL problem with the economy is that it is based on overvalued assets! You can't take it out on workin-class people. The real solution is to let the free market sort out the winners & losers. The prices will adjust & a REAL economy will emerge.

But don't blame this on capitalism, capitalism died 10-3-08 when Bush & Obama gave the bankers their bailout. The free market was telling us the bankers should "kick rocks & die". Prices should have been allowed to come down to levels where its affordable to the common man but what you see now is the govt trying to keep prices high (whether its housing, education, energy etc.)

That article is nothing more than typical left vs. right bullshit to keep people divided. Look through the bullshit to see what these pompous blowhards are telling you on the TV or newspapers.

And someone tell Bernanke that he can't re-inflate a bubble! Thats all these stimuli are meant to do


Over valued assets? If it were that simple the free market could solve this instantly. The problem is our tax dollars are being funneled to special interest disguised as Fortune 500 companies. That's the only way a 14 trillion dollar economy could go broke. The market is just a prop and only a few special interest groups have a say in it. The quickest way to turn things around is get rid of special interest groups then maybe the market could work.
 
Cato Institute Handbook for policymakers


A Sampler of Corporate Welfare Programs

The following are some corporate welfare programs that are long overdue
for repeal. Where provided, spending totals are for fiscal year 2008.
● Agriculture Department: Market Access Program. This program
hands out more than $200 million annually to exporters of agricultural
products to pay for their overseas advertising. Some of the recipients
include the Brewers Association, the Pet Food Institute, Sunkist
Growers, Welch’s Food, and the Wine Institute.
● Commerce Department: Advanced Technology Program. This
$198 million program gives research grants to high-tech companies.
● Foreign Military Financing. U.S. taxpayers fund weapons purchases
by foreign governments through this $4.7 billion program.
● Amtrak. The federal passenger rail company receives about
$1.4 billion in subsidies annually. But Amtrak would be better off
privatized so it could cut inefficient routes, maximize profits, and
innovate.
● Export-Import Bank. This agency uses taxpayer dollars to subsidize
the financing of foreign purchases of U.S. goods. It makes billions
of dollars of preferential loans to foreigners, guarantees the loans of
private institutions, and provides export credit insurance. In 2007, a
Dallas television station (WFAA) discovered that the agency provided
$243 million in loans to bogus Mexican companies, including
drug cartels.

● Maritime Administration. This $591 million agency provides subsidies
to the commercial shipping and shipbuilding industries. For
example, the agency provides loan guarantees for purchases of ships
from U.S. shipyards. But the best way to ensure a vigorous U.S.-
owned ship industry is to reduce domestic taxes and regulations,
which have encouraged the industry to move offshore.
● Energy Department: Energy Supply Research. This $894 million
program aims to develop new and improved energy technologies.
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Corporate Welfare and Earmarks
But the energy industry itself should fund such work, since it will
earn profits when breakthroughs are made.
● Small Business Administration. This $530 million agency provides
subsidized loans and loan guarantees to small businesses. It has a
poor record of selecting businesses to support, as its loans have high
rates of delinquency.


Get what you deserve lol...yea right
 
Over valued assets?

yep, housing foreclosures are sky-high because people can't afford the payments, duh! overvalued assets

If it were that simple the free market could solve this instantly.

The free market tried to solve the problem but Obama & Bush gave into the bankers demands and gave them TARP :smh: The market tries to purge the malinvestment but more stimulus is always appropriated to the "Too Big To Fails"

The problem is our tax dollars are being funneled to special interest disguised as Fortune 500 companies.

the fuck are you talkin bout? Taxes are confiscated by the govt.

The quickest way to turn things around is get rid of special interest groups then maybe the market could work.

special interests will always be around to fund both sides of every debate, both political parties, & both sides of every War. Neither party is lookin out for neither one of our black azz's
 
Those articles are bullshit. Do people really think paying people less will fix something? It's real simple, pay a man a livable wage and he will buy things. By buying things he will create a demand, demand will cause businesses to hire more workers, pay them a livable wage and they too will buy things and the cycle continues.

Pay a man less and he will buy less. This country is hustling backwards. :smh:
 
How about off-shoring incentives given to corporations who send jobs overseas? An overseas payroll does nothing to help the U.S. economy
 
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what kind of sucker born every minute logic is this, now all of a sudden its ok to be socialist, once the bailout pimps got paid..

its just crazy. its like professional sports, put a cap on the slave athletes but no salary cap on what an owner can make..

the elitist have been running game, since they fucked the natives over with their self serving treaties that they broke everytime it favored them to do so, and havent stopped since.


jUst one big suckers game, and the people suffer, because we have too many go along to get along idiots who have no idea the damage they are doing to themselves and their families in the long run by consigning tea party bullshit, and they dont even make half of six fiqures a year.

just pathetic...

tax the rich all day every fuckkin day..

bailout the middle class now!!

the elitist got too many folks thinking Obama is the worse thing to happen, when in fact its true, but only for their getting over asses..

he is the best thing for the middle class right now...


only a fool over dosing on tea parties cant see that reality.

This.
 
yep, housing foreclosures are sky-high because people can't afford the payments, duh! overvalued assets



The free market tried to solve the problem but Obama & Bush gave into the bankers demands and gave them TARP :smh: The market tries to purge the malinvestment but more stimulus is always appropriated to the "Too Big To Fails"



the fuck are you talkin bout? Taxes are confiscated by the govt.



special interests will always be around to fund both sides of every debate, both political parties, & both sides of every War. Neither party is lookin out for neither one of our black azz's

You must have busy and in a hurry when you wrote this because you can do much better.
 
One reason is unemployment insurance. State unemployment insurance programs usually limit benefits to 26 weeks. However, between various state and federal programs to extend benefits during the recession, unemployment benefits can continue up to a total of 99 weeks, giving people less incentive to pick up and move on when they lose their jobs.

This is crazy unless they were already making minimum wage and has some side hustle.

26 weeks or 99 you can't live on unemployment. When I was unemployed I was maxed out and my benefit was a little over 2k a month and that was with the additional 100 because of a dependent child in the house and the extra 25 Obama kicked in.

Throw in no insurance so don't get sick.Oh yeah I could go to the emergency room but then wouldn't be able to fill a prescription if they gave one.

Companies already low ball salary because with the amount of unemployed they can get someone to take what they offer.

Lastly it has already been proven that lower wage won't make them hire more.During the meltdown when companies scaled back their workforce they realized they could make those left work longer hours and do more ( be happy you have a job) and that would increase their profits. Well those companies have realized higher profits and are not rehiring positions previously lost.

If they stopped paying the upper management the hundred million dollar salaries with all the other perks they could hire a whole lot of people and still maintain profit

More trick knowledge of the trickle down economy.
 
I agree that the employees are paid too highly, in general.

But specifically, government welfare workers (teachers, cops, bureaucrats, politicians, judges) are way overpaid given their skills.

That is why they are laying off. Too much demand for the jobs because the pay is too high.

Fortune 500 pay IS too high, with CEO pay being the most unrealistic. That is why too many want to work for Fortune 500s, because the pay is higher than it should be.

Financial services pay is too high. For a sector that produces nothing and causes unbelievable damage to the economy, 99% the pay here is just waste.

The food server, ditch digger, floor mopper, fruit picker offers more value to the economy than most of these high wage "earners".

Pay is too high in the BS jobs and too low in the important/needed jobs.
 
How about off-shoring incentives given to corporations who send jobs overseas? An overseas payroll does nothing to help the U.S. economy



Absolutely correct. Outsourcing accelerated when Clinton passed NAFTA, big business led by then General Electric CEO Jack Welch started sending hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas.

BuShit put this trend on steroids actually allowing big business lobbyist to write the laws themselves, including the tax laws (they gave themselves tax breaks & rebates when sending jobs overseas) Imagine that!!

The mainstream media was silent about outsourcing except Lou Dobbs who talked about it every night on his show for over a year, ultimately he was silenced and suddenly switched to bashing Mexican immigrants nightly. Senator Barbara Boxer who is running against former HP CEO Carla Fiorini for California US Senate in 30 seconds brings clarity to the outsourcing issue that the mainstream media including CNBC & Bloomberg never mentions.



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You can't have 20 percent of the population controlling 84 percent of the wealth. In other countries, the top 20 percent has 36 percent of the wealth. The wealthy are too efficient to create demand in the economy (50 million house or 500, $100,000 houses). If 48 percent of the wealth was moved down, the United States would be at full employment.

This feeble 3 percent bump in the tax bracket is not going to cut it, not bumping up the minimum wage laws, or cracking down on rampant outsourcing of jobs.

Obama needs to get that money out of the rich, who have used outsourcing, union busting, and stagnant minimum wage laws to gain wealth. We need more brackets of taxes for the ultra wealthy.

Many of the wealthy are sources of campaign donations since they control corporation that can spend freely, you won't see any political party crack down on them.
 
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The problem with the economy is it is controlled by business, consumers aren't organized to counteract what going on. The system works when consumers balance it out. We use to have unions, community activist and consumer advocates repping us but business bought them out now we have nothing.
 
I'm flabbergasted that some even entertain these asinine theories. I suppose it is still all right to command multi-million dollar salaries and dividends without restraint though?

Folk actually want to defend rich people right to further take from whats left of the dwindling middle class, and give it to people so rich they can't spend it all.

THEN, they turn around and blame the poor, working and middle classes of class warfare?

They have been "at war" with us since Reagan was in office!
 



The mainstream media was silent about outsourcing except Lou Dobbs who talked about it every night on his show for over a year, ultimately he was silenced and suddenly switched to bashing Mexican immigrants nightly. Senator Barbara Boxer who is running against former HP CEO Carla Fiorini for California US Senate in 30 seconds brings clarity to the outsourcing issue that the mainstream media including CNBC & Bloomberg never mentions.



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That's when I was a big fan and avid watcher of Dobbs show. I would love to hear him explain how and why he switched up so hard.
 
I'm flabbergasted that some even entertain these asinine theories. I suppose it is still all right to command multi-million dollar salaries and dividends without restraint though?

Folk actually want to defend rich people right to further take from whats left of the dwindling middle class, and give it to people so rich they can't spend it all.

THEN, they turn around and blame the poor, working and middle classes of class warfare?

They have been "at war" with us since Reagan was in office!


The funny thing is most people that defend it aren't anywhere near rich.
 
The funny thing is most people that defend it aren't anywhere near rich.


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EXACTLY!!!!
That is due in a large part to the Republicans putting up smoke screen,talking-points: immigration,welfare queens,socialism,private sector,capitalism...all of which DO NOT have anything to do with what is actually occurring.

Your spot on!
 
Over 33,000 people viewed the 'Beast' thread that's probably more people than the Tea Party has. The power is there but it has to be organized and mobilized that's the problem.
 
Re: The Economy's Real Problem IS THAT YOU ARE OVERPAID!!

Technically he's right, lower wages would lead to higher employment probably better service and products too. But that's just one option, ending corporate welfare would do the same thing and fewer people would be pissed off we're talking 10% of the population vs 90% with that option. Another option is getting rid of the upper class, putting a limit on how much a individual can earn and how much wealth a family can own it's already being done in Japan so why not try it here. What we really need is a good old fashion riot against the elites if they don't change their thinking it will happen sooner than later.

Putting a limit on how much an individual can earn??? You're absolutely nuts dude. You liberals are soooo twisted. I don't know where to begin with this crap. Here's a couple though... So should there be a limit on how much people can produce? Unless all wages are the exact same, won't there always be an upper class?
 
I'm flabbergasted that some even entertain these asinine theories. I suppose it is still all right to command multi-million dollar salaries and dividends without restraint though?

Folk actually want to defend rich people right to further take from whats left of the dwindling middle class, and give it to people so rich they can't spend it all.

THEN, they turn around and blame the poor, working and middle classes of class warfare?

They have been "at war" with us since Reagan was in office!

You're confused. Aside from those in government or directly receiving money from the government, the money that rich people possess does not deprive others of money that they would otherwise have. You see, people like you think that there is a fixed pie and that one person getting richer (or getting a bigger piece of the pie) makes another person poorer (leaves them less of the pie). You simply don't understand how capitalism works. You don't understand anything about the use of resources and productivity. In a capitalist system, the wealthy expand the pie, they do not take from others piece of the pie. They do however expand the pie in a way that allows more to be available for others to eat than would be available if it were not for their productive activities.

Bill Gates was found to be worth $54 billion in 2010. Now did he make the rest of the world $54 billion poorer?
 
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what kind of sucker born every minute logic is this, now all of a sudden its ok to be socialist, once the bailout pimps got paid..

its just crazy. its like professional sports, put a cap on the slave athletes but no salary cap on what an owner can make..

the elitist have been running game, since they fucked the natives over with their self serving treaties that they broke everytime it favored them to do so, and havent stopped since.


jUst one big suckers game, and the people suffer, because we have too many go along to get along idiots who have no idea the damage they are doing to themselves and their families in the long run by consigning tea party bullshit, and they dont even make half of six fiqures a year.

just pathetic...

tax the rich all day every fuckkin day..

bailout the middle class now!!

the elitist got too many folks thinking Obama is the worse thing to happen, when in fact its true, but only for their getting over asses..

he is the best thing for the middle class right now...


only a fool over dosing on tea parties cant see that reality.

Tax the rich all day everyday? Hmm. Smh. I am also opposed to the government bailouts of Wall Street. That was extremely wrong of them to do and was fraught with corruption. But not all who are supposedly rich, especially a family who made $250,000 in a year, received such a bailout. Most so-called rich people weren't recipients of any bailout. For those that weren't, why should anyone else get the money they earned. Aside for some of the major functions of government that everyone uses and therefore we must all help pay for, doesn't the rest of the money you have left over belong to you? Who are you to say that money that they earned should be taken from them and used in your interests?
 
Re: The Economy's Real Problem IS THAT YOU ARE OVERPAID!!

It would be nice if there was some exponential curve that comes into play once you make a certain amount.

I'm conflicted, because...I think one should be able to make as much as they want/put the effort into...

I don't have a disdain for millionaires...but there should be no billionaires. It gets to a point, why does one individual need that much money...outside of power. And no one man should have all that power...corny I know...

But this is socialist/communist talk.

There should be no billionaires? You fools kill me. Why?! You have disdain for Bill Gates? For Warren Buffet? For Oprah?

100 years ago you would have said "there should be no millionaires." Someone paid them for their products and/or services. Should they have been forced to stop giving people what they want once they earn a certain amount? Should they be forced to lower the price they charge for the product until everyone can buy it even if that means they have lose the incentive to keep producing it because of costs factors?

Then you say no one should have that much power. But you want someone to have the power to say how much money someone can earn?! Earn??? Seriously man, you people are sooo confused it's sickening.
 
How about off-shoring incentives given to corporations who send jobs overseas? An overseas payroll does nothing to help the U.S. economy


I agree that there shouldn't be tax cuts that encourage US businesses to hire overseas as opposed to here, there certainly are benefits to the US economy from some overseas payroll. Far cheaper labor often may result in cheaper products. Not just finished products that the individual US consumer purchases, but input products that US companies use to produce other products. If US companies had to rely solely on US labor, because of the higher wages we demand, the companies may often times charge significantly higher prices for their products or produce significantly less of the product because of the costs of production. Each of which would be worse for the US economy.

There is of course more nuance to the argument I'm making but it is certainly not true that as an absolute statement, an overseas payroll does nothing to help the US economy.
 
I agree that the employees are paid too highly, in general.

But specifically, government welfare workers (teachers, cops, bureaucrats, politicians, judges) are way overpaid given their skills.

That is why they are laying off. Too much demand for the jobs because the pay is too high.

Fortune 500 pay IS too high, with CEO pay being the most unrealistic. That is why too many want to work for Fortune 500s, because the pay is higher than it should be.

Financial services pay is too high. For a sector that produces nothing and causes unbelievable damage to the economy, 99% the pay here is just waste.

The food server, ditch digger, floor mopper, fruit picker offers more value to the economy than most of these high wage "earners".

Pay is too high in the BS jobs and too low in the important/needed jobs.

The food server, ditch digger, floor mopper, and fruit pickers are not underpaid. They receive their market rate based on supply and demand. You seemed to understand this principle at the start of the post with your statement about government workers and I agreed with you on that point. But the last group of people should also be paid based on supply and demand as well, not by the subjective view of their "value to the economy."
 
You're confused. Aside from those in government or directly receiving money from the government, the money that rich people possess does not deprive others of money that they would otherwise have. You see, people like you think that there is a fixed pie and that one person getting richer (or getting a bigger piece of the pie) makes another person poorer (leaves them less of the pie). You simply don't understand how capitalism works. You don't understand anything about the use of resources and productivity. In a capitalist system, the wealthy expand the pie, they do not take from others piece of the pie. They do however expand the pie in a way that allows more to be available for others to eat than would be available if it were not for their productive activities.

Bill Gates was found to be worth $54 billion in 2010. Now did you make the rest of the world $54 billion poorer?

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I'm not confused.You don't agree.There is a difference.
They couldn't make enough money to steal for the Rich's insatiable greed.

 
You can't have 20 percent of the population controlling 84 percent of the wealth. In other countries, the top 20 percent has 36 percent of the wealth. The wealthy are too efficient to create demand in the economy (50 million house or 500, $100,000 houses). If 48 percent of the wealth was moved down, the United States would be at full employment.

This feeble 3 percent bump in the tax bracket is not going to cut it, not bumping up the minimum wage laws, or cracking down on rampant outsourcing of jobs.

Obama needs to get that money out of the rich, who have used outsourcing, union busting, and stagnant minimum wage laws to gain wealth. We need more brackets of taxes for the ultra wealthy.

Many of the wealthy are sources of campaign donations since they control corporation that can spend freely, you won't see any political party crack down on them.


I'm tired of this idiotic babble from you folks and even slightly dipping into economic principles because they clearly are something many of you have never bothered to learn. Just answer this simple question, how many families making $250,000 a year do you think are outsourcing jobs???
 
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