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You've posted several articles and webpages but NONE of them that I have scanned (I will look at the rest of them tomorrow) offer one iota to support your contention that the CIA is/was behind the kidnapping and murder of one of Saddam's co-defendant's attorney. I don't think anyone on this board (at least I hope not) will deny that the CIA has been involved (and may yet be involved) in some overreaching, and down right murder. But, you can't infer that because it was involved in one murder that it is involved in ALL OTHER murders. (Isn't that the kind of stuff we fight everyday -- because one Black man may have committed murder - does not mean that every Black man a white person sees also committed murder ???).
I don't expect you to do what so-called credible news agencies have failed to do to this point: print anything even suggesting CIA involvement in the murder -- but I do expect you to at least put forth something at least plausibly based on SOME (any) FACT tending to show its involvement or at least something that reasonable minds might infer that involvement. So far, all I have seen you do is say Johnny killed Jane, therefore, Johnny must have killed Susan, Shelly,Shenequa, Kamika, Jamika, Duh-mika ... ad infinitum -- without a shred of evidence to make the connection.
QueEx
I don't expect you to do what so-called credible news agencies have failed to do to this point: print anything even suggesting CIA involvement in the murder -- but I do expect you to at least put forth something at least plausibly based on SOME (any) FACT tending to show its involvement or at least something that reasonable minds might infer that involvement. So far, all I have seen you do is say Johnny killed Jane, therefore, Johnny must have killed Susan, Shelly,Shenequa, Kamika, Jamika, Duh-mika ... ad infinitum -- without a shred of evidence to make the connection.
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QueEx said:
Here's an analogy for you. I don't know anything about you, but if someone wanted you dead, and they killed you and sprinkled crack cocaine around the crime scene, they'll say it must've been drug related. All because of your growing pains you experiecend going through puberty.
Has the C.I.A. ever been guilty of committing any kidnappings, murders, or regime changes? I don't think so, but that doesn't mean they haven't done it before either. All they have ever been guilty of in the public's opinion is allowing "shit to happen."
Certain things don't have to be proven to understand the point I was making. All they do is drum up support for the actions they want to take anyway. Espionage is actually illegal, but they have the authority to do it.
How can a criminal trust another criminal?
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Clandestine_Service
National Clandestine Service
From SourceWatch
The establishment of the National Clandestine Service (NCS) within the Central Intelligence Agency was approved (http://www.dni.gov/release_letter_101305.html) October 13, 2005, by President George W. Bush.
The new Director of the NCS will report directly to the Director of the CIA, Porter J. Goss, and will work with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, John D. Negroponte, "to implement all of the DNI's statutory authorities." [1] (http://www.dni.gov/release_letter_101305.html)
Established in response to recommendations made in March 2005 by the President's Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction, the NCS will serve as "the national authority for the integration, coordination, deconfliction, and evaluation of human intelligence operations across the entire Intelligence Community, under authorities delegated to the Director of the CIA who serves as the National HUMINT Manager." [2] (http://www.dni.gov/release_letter_101305.html)
The NCS "will oversee all human espionage operations - meaning spying by people rather than by technical means," the BBC reported (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4340318.stm) October 13, 2005. "The move is the latest in the post-9/11 reforms of US intelligence agencies."
The identity of the head of NCS will remain secret -- only known as Jose -- "will supervise the CIA's espionage operations and co-ordinate all overseas spying, including those of the FBI and the Pentagon." Jose will report directly CIA head Porter J. Goss, the BBC said.
The Plan
"The plan was drafted by Goss, based on a suggestion made last March by President [George W.] Bush's commission on intelligence. It keeps the CIA's traditional position as leader of U.S. 'human intelligence' collection overseas as the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency and military services are increasing their clandestine operations around the world as part of the terrorism fight," Walter Pincus wrote (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...01202174.html?nav=rss_nation/nationalsecurity) in the October 13, 2005, Washington Post.
"The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence -- citing past CIA failures in averting the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and in overstating Iraq's weapons of mass destruction -- recently concluded in a report that coordination of human intelligence should be moved to the office of the director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte. The director of intelligence position was created in the intelligence-community revision by Congress last year," Pincus wrote. "Although the intelligence director's office will not directly coordinate the human intelligence activities, it will exercise oversight. Negroponte's deputy in charge of collection, Mary Margaret Graham, a former CIA operations officer, will oversee all human intelligence collection overseas and will set broad requirements for what information needs to be collected, sources said. The CIA, the FBI and Pentagon agencies will work out who carries out the clandestine collections, with the clandestine services chief coordinating their activities."
"As currently envisioned, the clandestine services director will have a deputy who would not only coordinate overseas spying operations, but also ensure that agencies do not overlap one another in recruitment or operations, described by one official as 'deconflicting' activities in the community. The deputy will also supervise establishment of common standards for training all human intelligence collectors in tradecraft, including the recruitment, vetting and handling of sources.
"Another clandestine services deputy will run CIA's clandestine operations, as the deputy director for operations does now. The president's commission had originally proposed creating the position to free the deputy director for operations to concentrate on increasing the capability of CIA's operations, which were found lacking based on the agency's performances in failing to prevent the Sept. 11 attacks and to gain accurate information on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," Pincus wrote.
"Sources inside and outside the government said yesterday they expect that the CIA's current deputy director for operations, referred to as Jose because he is still under cover, will be the first NCS director. 'He is a team builder,' said one of Jose's former colleagues."
[edit]Old Proposal Revived? Again?
Apparently Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kansas) was aware of the National Institute for Public Policy (NIPP) study, "a detailed 124-page analysis that was entitled Modernizing Intelligence: Structure and Change for the 21st Century," released in 1998.
"The chairman of the study was U.S. Army Lt. General William Odom (ret.), the former director of the National Security Agency. Odom was assisted by a senior advisory group that included retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper and retired Army Lt. Gen. Harry Soyster, both former directors of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency. Although admittedly a military view of the issue, the military intelligence veterans pulled no punches in calling for a sweeping structural overhaul and realignment of organizational responsibilities throughout the US intelligence community."
Among those recommendations was to "Restructure the CIA, giving it two major components, the national clandestine service and a component for handling overt HUMINT."
In August 2004, Senator Roberts proposed (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w.../23/glance_at_intelligence_overhaul_proposal/) "legislation to overhaul the intelligence community, recreating it as a National Intelligence Service." Among the changes he proposed was to "reak up the CIA into three parts: a National Clandestine Service to direct traditional spy operations; an Office of National Assessments to be responsible for intelligence analysis; and an Office of Technical Support to handle research and development projects." Under Roberts' proposal, the "CIA director's position would be abolished."
National Clandestine Service
From SourceWatch
The establishment of the National Clandestine Service (NCS) within the Central Intelligence Agency was approved (http://www.dni.gov/release_letter_101305.html) October 13, 2005, by President George W. Bush.
The new Director of the NCS will report directly to the Director of the CIA, Porter J. Goss, and will work with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, John D. Negroponte, "to implement all of the DNI's statutory authorities." [1] (http://www.dni.gov/release_letter_101305.html)
Established in response to recommendations made in March 2005 by the President's Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction, the NCS will serve as "the national authority for the integration, coordination, deconfliction, and evaluation of human intelligence operations across the entire Intelligence Community, under authorities delegated to the Director of the CIA who serves as the National HUMINT Manager." [2] (http://www.dni.gov/release_letter_101305.html)
The NCS "will oversee all human espionage operations - meaning spying by people rather than by technical means," the BBC reported (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4340318.stm) October 13, 2005. "The move is the latest in the post-9/11 reforms of US intelligence agencies."
The identity of the head of NCS will remain secret -- only known as Jose -- "will supervise the CIA's espionage operations and co-ordinate all overseas spying, including those of the FBI and the Pentagon." Jose will report directly CIA head Porter J. Goss, the BBC said.
The Plan
"The plan was drafted by Goss, based on a suggestion made last March by President [George W.] Bush's commission on intelligence. It keeps the CIA's traditional position as leader of U.S. 'human intelligence' collection overseas as the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency and military services are increasing their clandestine operations around the world as part of the terrorism fight," Walter Pincus wrote (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...01202174.html?nav=rss_nation/nationalsecurity) in the October 13, 2005, Washington Post.
"The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence -- citing past CIA failures in averting the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and in overstating Iraq's weapons of mass destruction -- recently concluded in a report that coordination of human intelligence should be moved to the office of the director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte. The director of intelligence position was created in the intelligence-community revision by Congress last year," Pincus wrote. "Although the intelligence director's office will not directly coordinate the human intelligence activities, it will exercise oversight. Negroponte's deputy in charge of collection, Mary Margaret Graham, a former CIA operations officer, will oversee all human intelligence collection overseas and will set broad requirements for what information needs to be collected, sources said. The CIA, the FBI and Pentagon agencies will work out who carries out the clandestine collections, with the clandestine services chief coordinating their activities."
"As currently envisioned, the clandestine services director will have a deputy who would not only coordinate overseas spying operations, but also ensure that agencies do not overlap one another in recruitment or operations, described by one official as 'deconflicting' activities in the community. The deputy will also supervise establishment of common standards for training all human intelligence collectors in tradecraft, including the recruitment, vetting and handling of sources.
"Another clandestine services deputy will run CIA's clandestine operations, as the deputy director for operations does now. The president's commission had originally proposed creating the position to free the deputy director for operations to concentrate on increasing the capability of CIA's operations, which were found lacking based on the agency's performances in failing to prevent the Sept. 11 attacks and to gain accurate information on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," Pincus wrote.
"Sources inside and outside the government said yesterday they expect that the CIA's current deputy director for operations, referred to as Jose because he is still under cover, will be the first NCS director. 'He is a team builder,' said one of Jose's former colleagues."
[edit]Old Proposal Revived? Again?
Apparently Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kansas) was aware of the National Institute for Public Policy (NIPP) study, "a detailed 124-page analysis that was entitled Modernizing Intelligence: Structure and Change for the 21st Century," released in 1998.
"The chairman of the study was U.S. Army Lt. General William Odom (ret.), the former director of the National Security Agency. Odom was assisted by a senior advisory group that included retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper and retired Army Lt. Gen. Harry Soyster, both former directors of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency. Although admittedly a military view of the issue, the military intelligence veterans pulled no punches in calling for a sweeping structural overhaul and realignment of organizational responsibilities throughout the US intelligence community."
Among those recommendations was to "Restructure the CIA, giving it two major components, the national clandestine service and a component for handling overt HUMINT."
In August 2004, Senator Roberts proposed (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w.../23/glance_at_intelligence_overhaul_proposal/) "legislation to overhaul the intelligence community, recreating it as a National Intelligence Service." Among the changes he proposed was to "reak up the CIA into three parts: a National Clandestine Service to direct traditional spy operations; an Office of National Assessments to be responsible for intelligence analysis; and an Office of Technical Support to handle research and development projects." Under Roberts' proposal, the "CIA director's position would be abolished."
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The Central Intelligence Agency was created in 1947 with the signing of the National Security Act (http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/intel/intro6.html)/also (http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/history.html) (PL 235 - 61 Stat. 496; U.S.C. 402) by President Harry S. Truman. The Act was amended by the National Security Act Amendments of 1949 (63 Stat. 579; 50 U.S.C. 401 et seq.).
"The National Security Act charged the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) with coordinating the nation’s intelligence activities and correlating, evaluating and disseminating intelligence which affects national security ... The CIA is an independent agency, responsible to the President through the DCI, and accountable to the American people through the intelligence oversight committees of the U.S. Congress."[1] (http://www.cia.gov/cia/information/info.html)
CIA techniques
Intelligence collection comprises both analysis of open-sources and covert gathering of information. The covert operations often entail the calculated and deliberate violation of foreign or international laws. This extra-legal dimension of intelligence is highlighted by new legislation introduced in the Senate, which is intended to help preserve it against the encroachment of international law. Within the Central Intelligence Agency, "hundreds of employees on a daily basis are directed to break extremely serious laws in countries around the world in the face of frequently sophisticated efforts by foreign governments to catch them," according to a 1996 House Intelligence Committee report.
"A safe estimate is that several hundred times every day (easily 100,000 times a year) [intelligence] officers engage in highly illegal activities (according to foreign law)...." (IC21: Intelligence Community in the 21st Century, p. 205). Ironically, DCI George Tenet suggested in a May 25 speech to graduates of Johns Hopkins University that U.S. intelligence can serve "to help strengthen the rule of law in countries whose stability is threatened by unfettered crime." But in practice, defying the rule of law is the CIA's modus operandi "in countries around the world." (Federation of American Scientists S & G Bulletin, Issue 84) (http://www.fas.org/sgp/bulletin/sec84.html)
CIA Black Budget
"The CIA has the unique legal ability among all US government departments and agencies to generate funds through appropriations of other federal government agencies and other sources “without regard to any provisions of law” and without regard to the intent behind Congressional appropriations. Every year, billions of dollars of Congressional appropriations are diverted from their Congressionally sanctioned purposes to the CIA and DoD based intelligence agencies without knowledge of the public and with the collusion of Congressional leaders. The covert world of ‘black programs’ acts with virtual impunity, overseen and regulated by itself, funding itself through secret slush funds, and is free of the limitations that come from Congressional oversight, proper auditing procedures and public scrutiny." The CIA black budget is annually in the vicinity of 1.1 trillion dollars – a truly staggering figure when one considers that the DoD budget for 2004 will be approximately 380 billion dollars. [2] (http://www.american.edu/salla/Articles/BB-CIA.htm#Abstract)
The CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) are accused by International Currency Review, the London-based journal, of mounting a joint ultra-secret operation to electronically remove an estimated $10 billion out of the Iraqi Central Bank hours before the start of Persian Gulf War II. “We believe it is in a secret CIA fund which will be used to mount further special services operations, such as tracking down Saddam Hussein,” said the Review’s publisher, Christopher Story.The operation, claims the Review, was masterminded by the CIA/DIA out of a military facility, Redstone Arsenal, in Alabama. It is the base for U.S. Special Ser vices. “In all, 100 people were involved in the operation,” says the report. “The Department of Agriculture has been consistently used to hide payments for U.S. covert operations,” claimed Story, whose headquarters are close to Whitehall.The Review states: “The U.S. Department of Agriculture is used as a paymaster for certain DIA ‘black operations’ because it has traditionally remained unscrutinized.” “Like the Federal Reserve Board and the U.S. Treasury’s secret Exchange Stabilization Fund, the Department of Agriculture is yet another federal agency which benefits from a special exemption from rigorous auditing by the General Accounting Office.”[3] (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/THO308A.html)
Intelligence-University Complex
Writing in Covert Action Bulletin, Robert Witanek, argued that the CIA operatives "with academic cover have worked extensively on campuses around the world." [4] (http://newsmine.org/archive/propoganda/universities/cia-connections-to-campuses.txt)[5] (http://www.cia-on-campus.org/witanek.html)
The Intelligence Authorization Act is an annual bill that allocates funds for intelligence agencies. When congress passed the 2004 legislation and President Bush signed it into law, the bill drew fire from many corners because it expanded the Patriot Act and was passed with little debate. But there was another provision in the legislation that received almost no attention. Section 318 of the bill appropriated 4 million dollars to fund a pilot program called the Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program, known as PRISP. The program is named after Kansas Republican Pat Roberts, who is chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. The scholarship was created in order to train intelligence operatives and analysts in American universities for careers in the CIA and other agencies. The students receive up to $50,000 dollars over a two-year period and are required to complete at least one summer internship at the CIA or other approved agencies. The program is veiled in secrecy - there are no public lists of the participants and there is no requirement that they disclose their affiliation to their professors. [6] (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/03/1420209) The CIA is now operating a university somewhere in northern Virginia. According to an entry in a June 24 newsletter published by an association of former intelligence officers, some of the courses taught at the university are "economic trends, international banking, the world oil market, and how the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, World Trade Organization, etc. and other non-governmental organizations work." [7] (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070302_CIA_U.html)[8] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4603271.stm)
CIA Document #1035-960
"The National Security Act charged the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) with coordinating the nation’s intelligence activities and correlating, evaluating and disseminating intelligence which affects national security ... The CIA is an independent agency, responsible to the President through the DCI, and accountable to the American people through the intelligence oversight committees of the U.S. Congress."[1] (http://www.cia.gov/cia/information/info.html)
CIA techniques
Intelligence collection comprises both analysis of open-sources and covert gathering of information. The covert operations often entail the calculated and deliberate violation of foreign or international laws. This extra-legal dimension of intelligence is highlighted by new legislation introduced in the Senate, which is intended to help preserve it against the encroachment of international law. Within the Central Intelligence Agency, "hundreds of employees on a daily basis are directed to break extremely serious laws in countries around the world in the face of frequently sophisticated efforts by foreign governments to catch them," according to a 1996 House Intelligence Committee report.
"A safe estimate is that several hundred times every day (easily 100,000 times a year) [intelligence] officers engage in highly illegal activities (according to foreign law)...." (IC21: Intelligence Community in the 21st Century, p. 205). Ironically, DCI George Tenet suggested in a May 25 speech to graduates of Johns Hopkins University that U.S. intelligence can serve "to help strengthen the rule of law in countries whose stability is threatened by unfettered crime." But in practice, defying the rule of law is the CIA's modus operandi "in countries around the world." (Federation of American Scientists S & G Bulletin, Issue 84) (http://www.fas.org/sgp/bulletin/sec84.html)
CIA Black Budget
"The CIA has the unique legal ability among all US government departments and agencies to generate funds through appropriations of other federal government agencies and other sources “without regard to any provisions of law” and without regard to the intent behind Congressional appropriations. Every year, billions of dollars of Congressional appropriations are diverted from their Congressionally sanctioned purposes to the CIA and DoD based intelligence agencies without knowledge of the public and with the collusion of Congressional leaders. The covert world of ‘black programs’ acts with virtual impunity, overseen and regulated by itself, funding itself through secret slush funds, and is free of the limitations that come from Congressional oversight, proper auditing procedures and public scrutiny." The CIA black budget is annually in the vicinity of 1.1 trillion dollars – a truly staggering figure when one considers that the DoD budget for 2004 will be approximately 380 billion dollars. [2] (http://www.american.edu/salla/Articles/BB-CIA.htm#Abstract)
The CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) are accused by International Currency Review, the London-based journal, of mounting a joint ultra-secret operation to electronically remove an estimated $10 billion out of the Iraqi Central Bank hours before the start of Persian Gulf War II. “We believe it is in a secret CIA fund which will be used to mount further special services operations, such as tracking down Saddam Hussein,” said the Review’s publisher, Christopher Story.The operation, claims the Review, was masterminded by the CIA/DIA out of a military facility, Redstone Arsenal, in Alabama. It is the base for U.S. Special Ser vices. “In all, 100 people were involved in the operation,” says the report. “The Department of Agriculture has been consistently used to hide payments for U.S. covert operations,” claimed Story, whose headquarters are close to Whitehall.The Review states: “The U.S. Department of Agriculture is used as a paymaster for certain DIA ‘black operations’ because it has traditionally remained unscrutinized.” “Like the Federal Reserve Board and the U.S. Treasury’s secret Exchange Stabilization Fund, the Department of Agriculture is yet another federal agency which benefits from a special exemption from rigorous auditing by the General Accounting Office.”[3] (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/THO308A.html)
Intelligence-University Complex
Writing in Covert Action Bulletin, Robert Witanek, argued that the CIA operatives "with academic cover have worked extensively on campuses around the world." [4] (http://newsmine.org/archive/propoganda/universities/cia-connections-to-campuses.txt)[5] (http://www.cia-on-campus.org/witanek.html)
The Intelligence Authorization Act is an annual bill that allocates funds for intelligence agencies. When congress passed the 2004 legislation and President Bush signed it into law, the bill drew fire from many corners because it expanded the Patriot Act and was passed with little debate. But there was another provision in the legislation that received almost no attention. Section 318 of the bill appropriated 4 million dollars to fund a pilot program called the Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program, known as PRISP. The program is named after Kansas Republican Pat Roberts, who is chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. The scholarship was created in order to train intelligence operatives and analysts in American universities for careers in the CIA and other agencies. The students receive up to $50,000 dollars over a two-year period and are required to complete at least one summer internship at the CIA or other approved agencies. The program is veiled in secrecy - there are no public lists of the participants and there is no requirement that they disclose their affiliation to their professors. [6] (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/03/1420209) The CIA is now operating a university somewhere in northern Virginia. According to an entry in a June 24 newsletter published by an association of former intelligence officers, some of the courses taught at the university are "economic trends, international banking, the world oil market, and how the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, World Trade Organization, etc. and other non-governmental organizations work." [7] (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070302_CIA_U.html)[8] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4603271.stm)
CIA Document #1035-960
I understand what you'e trying to say, but the analogy is incomplete. No, you don't know me -- and if crack cocaine was sprinkled around where I was lying dead, I doubt seriously if someone would draw the conclusion that it was drug related -- I would think, just the opposite. But, thats because you don't know me.Hung Lo said:
Your analogy is incomplete or defective because so much more goes into the equation to term a murder drug, sex, money or other <u>related</u>. For example, what was the victim's known character and reputation, what were the attendant circumstances in the area, what was the actual cause of death (you left that open in your hypo), and on and on. If, in your hypo, the victim was a well known civic, business or political leader with no known association with drugs; the area of the victim's demise was not one associated with drugs or related violent crime; and the victim died of an apparent heart attack -- your hypo falls flatly on its face, despite the crime scene being littered with crack. Of course, there are some minds that might jump to the conclusion it was drug related.
Now, back to the original question: what about THIS particular case that makes you jump to the conclusion that THIS was CIA related ??? Merely, because the victim was murdered ??? Don't misunderstand me, hell, the CIA may have been both the abductor and the murderer -- BUT, is there anything other than mere conjecture and the commission of several fallacies that causes you to draw that conclusion ???
No, the Agency has not to my knowledge been conviced of kidnapping and murder but many of its bad activities are well documented and the subject of congressional admonition and purges -- actually, thats how you know about a lot of those activities. Moreover, it is obvious from your own viewpoint that much of the public actually sees some of the CIA's activities as a lot more than just allowing shit to happen.
Am I condoning the CIA's illegal acts? - absolutely NOT. But neither am I willing to make a quantum leap, without anything to even suggest that it happened, to say that lawyer's murder has the CIA all over it. I think its a good thing, and with good reason, that you are very cautious over the activities of the CIA and any other agency with its powers and resources. I just think its a bad thing, on the other hand, to come to conclusions without something, anything, to back them up.
What?, that all Black people are ______________ (fill in the black).
I hate that word "They". They who ??? I think its a blanket word demonstrating confusion over who is actually doing what to whom. LOL
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QueEx said:
Have you not seen any of the other posts, concerning the "theys"? Take your pick.
Hung Lo said:
Hung Lo,
I don't think you are getting the points. Thanks for the info, but citing a load of CIA links, etc does nothing to prove your point unless you explicity tie it to your claim about the murder of Hussein's lawyer. If you can't provide conclusion evidence, you need to at least make a summation to explain why it is plausible or at least give a motive. You haven't done so. You have not provided the necessary critical thinking. Anyone can go to a google search and provide a bunch of links. QueEx is asking you to 1. make a claim, 2.provide substantial evidence in a logical fashion that is RELEVANT to this particular case, and then 3. make your final statment with the conclusion. You are doing 1 and 3 without part 2. Part 2 is the most important piece of the puzzle and shows how you are making the connection but you haven't included that portion. Or you consider what you have stated as part 2..if so you argument is painfully illogical and littered with hasty generalizations, illogical inferences, etc. Your argument is similar to the underwear nomes on Southpark where they drew that draft that
Underwear + ??????? = Profit.
Why not just state your belief of the involvement as a suspicion and not a statement of fact? There’s a difference between possibility and probability. Based on circumstantial evidence, your theory that the CIA murdered SH’s attorney is possible, but not probable without firm direct indicators to substantiate it. Just my two cents.
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QueEx said:
Then why do you keep checking?
I only added this info because on some other threads that other members have started there has been a connection with the CIA. Like the one about Cuba and Castro. Quit hating, at least the politics board hasn't been flooded with redirects.
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QueEx said:I check most every thread -- (1) to keep the bullshit down and (2) to see if something interestingly new has been added. Obviously, except for checking for the bullshit in this thread, there is no other reason to check.
QueEx
What bullshit are you referring to -----your replies--- or the history that's included in this thread?
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QueEx said:
Well at least you know what your homework lesson is. By the way what does your screenname stand for? It sounds like a confused NOI member. Which mosque do you attend?
Intel Chief Says Personnel Number 100,000
Intel Chief Says Personnel Number 100,000
By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
35 minutes ago
Nearly 100,000 Americans are working in intelligence in the U.S. and around the world, the nation's spy chief says, revealing the number for the first time.
In a speech at the National Press Club marking his first year on the job, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte indicated his willingness to make some normally classified information public.
"The United States intelligence community comprises almost 100,000 patriotic, talented and hardworking Americans in 16 federal departments and agencies," he said.
"To the extent that the requirements of secrecy permit," Negroponte added later, "the country should know what they are doing, why they are doing it, and how well they are doing it."
The figure means the total U.S. intelligence force is slightly smaller than the population of Green Bay, Wis. Secrecy expert Steven Aftergood of the Washington-based Federation of American Scientists welcomed the disclosure and said the government had no reason to keep the figure secret.
"If you think about all of the infrastructure needed to support that number of people, you start to get a sense of just how vast our intelligence system has become," Aftergood said. "Think about all the things going on that we don't know about."
The government has long protected details about the size and budget of its spy agencies, which include the CIA, National Security Agency, parts of the FBI and other lesser-known outfits, such as the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
But some classified morsels have gotten out.
For instance, Mary Margaret Graham, Negroponte's top deputy for intelligence collection, goofed in a speech last fall and said the overall U.S. intelligence budget is $44 billion — a number that open-government advocates have sued unsuccessfully to get.
It's not clear how far Negroponte is willing to go to provide more information to the public. On Thursday, he condemned leaks of classified information, but he also said, "Public understanding is important."
Negroponte's comments came as part of a speech summing up his first year as the nation's inaugural spy chief. The position was created to get intelligence agencies to work together after the mistakes of Sept. 11, 2001, and Iraq.
Without delving into details, Negroponte said he has used his powers to fix a satellite program that was on the wrong track.
He rejected the idea that his job overseeing intelligence reform is too burdensome to allow him to be among President Bush's top advisers on national security and attend the daily White House briefing.
And Negroponte challenged those who say his office has become another bureaucratic layer on top of an old one. One of his deputies last week said Negroponte has requested more than 1,500 people for his office next year. "Intelligence reform has not been a theory-based experiment or an exercise in bureaucratic bloat," Negroponte said.
In a wide-ranging question-and-answer session, Negroponte touched on other hot intelligence issues:
_Negroponte said Osama bin Laden's ability to operate has been diminished since 2001 and "his style has been cramped." He added: "It would of course be desirable that he be captured or killed at the earliest opportunity. ... And we wish that this might have happened sooner."
_He reiterated the U.S. assessment that Iran is determined to acquire a nuclear weapon, but remains years away from having enough fissile material — perhaps into the next decade. "It's important that this issue be kept in perspective," Negroponte said.
_The former U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Negroponte called it "important and urgent" that Iraqis form a new government under the constitution approved last year. He said only when new senior officials take office will the government "be able to take on some of the serious challenges that are posed by the sectarian violence."
_Negroponte was asked if Russia shared wartime intelligence with Iraq in the run-up to the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, as some recently released documents suggested. The State Department has asked Russia to investigate. "I don't believe it's been confirmed that the government in Moscow itself was witting to any of the activities that took place, although — perhaps — the Russian ambassador in Baghdad was involved in some of these activities," he said.
_He said he has made it one of his highest priorities to improve U.S. intelligence analysis. He noted that his office has hired an ombudsman who will test the quality of reports and receive complaints. "We can't afford to repeat the mistakes that led to the WMD fiasco with respect to Iraq," he said, referring to the overblown estimates of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. No WMD were found.
_Negroponte said he planned to improve information sharing within the government. A written question from an audience member who claimed to have worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency asked Negroponte how he'd handle a stamp marked "Military Eyes Only," meaning the material couldn't go to the CIA and elsewhere.
Negroponte replied: "Take away the stamp."
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Intel Chief Says Personnel Number 100,000
By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
35 minutes ago
Nearly 100,000 Americans are working in intelligence in the U.S. and around the world, the nation's spy chief says, revealing the number for the first time.
In a speech at the National Press Club marking his first year on the job, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte indicated his willingness to make some normally classified information public.
"The United States intelligence community comprises almost 100,000 patriotic, talented and hardworking Americans in 16 federal departments and agencies," he said.
"To the extent that the requirements of secrecy permit," Negroponte added later, "the country should know what they are doing, why they are doing it, and how well they are doing it."
The figure means the total U.S. intelligence force is slightly smaller than the population of Green Bay, Wis. Secrecy expert Steven Aftergood of the Washington-based Federation of American Scientists welcomed the disclosure and said the government had no reason to keep the figure secret.
"If you think about all of the infrastructure needed to support that number of people, you start to get a sense of just how vast our intelligence system has become," Aftergood said. "Think about all the things going on that we don't know about."
The government has long protected details about the size and budget of its spy agencies, which include the CIA, National Security Agency, parts of the FBI and other lesser-known outfits, such as the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
But some classified morsels have gotten out.
For instance, Mary Margaret Graham, Negroponte's top deputy for intelligence collection, goofed in a speech last fall and said the overall U.S. intelligence budget is $44 billion — a number that open-government advocates have sued unsuccessfully to get.
It's not clear how far Negroponte is willing to go to provide more information to the public. On Thursday, he condemned leaks of classified information, but he also said, "Public understanding is important."
Negroponte's comments came as part of a speech summing up his first year as the nation's inaugural spy chief. The position was created to get intelligence agencies to work together after the mistakes of Sept. 11, 2001, and Iraq.
Without delving into details, Negroponte said he has used his powers to fix a satellite program that was on the wrong track.
He rejected the idea that his job overseeing intelligence reform is too burdensome to allow him to be among President Bush's top advisers on national security and attend the daily White House briefing.
And Negroponte challenged those who say his office has become another bureaucratic layer on top of an old one. One of his deputies last week said Negroponte has requested more than 1,500 people for his office next year. "Intelligence reform has not been a theory-based experiment or an exercise in bureaucratic bloat," Negroponte said.
In a wide-ranging question-and-answer session, Negroponte touched on other hot intelligence issues:
_Negroponte said Osama bin Laden's ability to operate has been diminished since 2001 and "his style has been cramped." He added: "It would of course be desirable that he be captured or killed at the earliest opportunity. ... And we wish that this might have happened sooner."
_He reiterated the U.S. assessment that Iran is determined to acquire a nuclear weapon, but remains years away from having enough fissile material — perhaps into the next decade. "It's important that this issue be kept in perspective," Negroponte said.
_The former U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Negroponte called it "important and urgent" that Iraqis form a new government under the constitution approved last year. He said only when new senior officials take office will the government "be able to take on some of the serious challenges that are posed by the sectarian violence."
_Negroponte was asked if Russia shared wartime intelligence with Iraq in the run-up to the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, as some recently released documents suggested. The State Department has asked Russia to investigate. "I don't believe it's been confirmed that the government in Moscow itself was witting to any of the activities that took place, although — perhaps — the Russian ambassador in Baghdad was involved in some of these activities," he said.
_He said he has made it one of his highest priorities to improve U.S. intelligence analysis. He noted that his office has hired an ombudsman who will test the quality of reports and receive complaints. "We can't afford to repeat the mistakes that led to the WMD fiasco with respect to Iraq," he said, referring to the overblown estimates of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. No WMD were found.
_Negroponte said he planned to improve information sharing within the government. A written question from an audience member who claimed to have worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency asked Negroponte how he'd handle a stamp marked "Military Eyes Only," meaning the material couldn't go to the CIA and elsewhere.
Negroponte replied: "Take away the stamp."
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On the Web:
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence: http://odni.gov/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060421...wRI2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--
Re: Intel Chief Says Personnel Number 100,000
Some of them are on BGOL.
Some of them are on BGOL.
CIA Disbands Bin Laden Unit
<font size="5"><center>CIA Reportedly Disbands Bin Laden Unit</font size></center>
The Associated Press
Tuesday, July 4, 2006; 11:19 AM
NEW YORK -- A CIA unit that had hunted for Osama bin Laden and his top deputies for a decade has been disbanded, according to a published report.
Citing unnamed intelligence officials, The New York Times reported Tuesday that the unit, known as "Alec Station," was shut down late last year. The decision to close the unit, which predated the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, was first reported Monday by National Public Radio.
The officials told the Times that the change reflects a view that al-Qaida's hierarchy has changed, and terrorist attacks inspired by the group are now being carried out independently of bin Laden and his second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri.
The CIA said hunting bin Laden remains a priority, but resources needed to be directed toward other people and groups likely to initiate new attacks.
"The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever," said CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise Dyck. "This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus."
A former CIA official who once led the unit, Michael Scheuer, told the Times that its shutdown was a mistake.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400375.html
"This will clearly denigrate our operations against al-Qaida," he said. "These days at the agency, bin Laden and al-Qaida appear to be treated merely as first among equals."
<font size="5"><center>CIA Reportedly Disbands Bin Laden Unit</font size></center>
The Associated Press
Tuesday, July 4, 2006; 11:19 AM
NEW YORK -- A CIA unit that had hunted for Osama bin Laden and his top deputies for a decade has been disbanded, according to a published report.
Citing unnamed intelligence officials, The New York Times reported Tuesday that the unit, known as "Alec Station," was shut down late last year. The decision to close the unit, which predated the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, was first reported Monday by National Public Radio.
The officials told the Times that the change reflects a view that al-Qaida's hierarchy has changed, and terrorist attacks inspired by the group are now being carried out independently of bin Laden and his second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri.
The CIA said hunting bin Laden remains a priority, but resources needed to be directed toward other people and groups likely to initiate new attacks.
"The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever," said CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise Dyck. "This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus."
A former CIA official who once led the unit, Michael Scheuer, told the Times that its shutdown was a mistake.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400375.html
"This will clearly denigrate our operations against al-Qaida," he said. "These days at the agency, bin Laden and al-Qaida appear to be treated merely as first among equals."