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America tried to spend & tax itself out of the great reccession!

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Revisionism at it's finest! The problem with the US stimulus was that it was 30% tax cuts (that really helped). A concession to the republicans.

source: New York Times


China plans $586 billion economic stimulus

Published: Sunday, November 9, 2008

SHANGHAI — China announced a huge economic stimulus package Sunday aimed at bolstering its weakening economy and, in the process, perhaps helping to counter the effects of the global economic slowdown.

In a sweeping move, Beijing said it would spend an estimated $586 billion by 2010 on wide array of national infrastructure and social welfare projects. They would include new railroads, subways and airports and rebuilding areas like those devastated by the Sichuan earthquake in May.

The package, which was announced by the State Council, or cabinet, is the largest economic stimulus effort ever undertaken by the central government. It would amount to about 7 percent of China's gross domestic product during each of the next two years. Beijing also said that it would be loosening credit and encouraging lending and that it needed to have a more "pro-active fiscal policy" to strengthen its economy.

"Over the past two months, the global financial crisis has been intensifying daily," the State Council said. "In expanding investment, we must be fast and heavy-handed."

The stimulus plan would be enormous for any country, let alone one whose gross domestic product is lower than most other major industrialized countries, at around $3.5 trillion. By comparison, the United States, with an economy of almost $14 trillion, sent out about $100 billion in tax rebate checks this summer. Germany last week agreed to a €23 billion stimulus plan, or about 2 percent of its GDP.

"It's a huge package," Dominique Strauss-Kahn, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, was quoted as saying by Reuters after a meeting of Group of 20 finance officials in São Paulo. "It will have an influence not only on the world economy in supporting demand but also a lot of influence on the Chinese economy itself, and I think it is good news for correcting imbalances."

China's announcement comes days before the President Hu Jintao is scheduled to travel to Washington for a global economic summit meeting that will be attended by leaders from around the world, including President George W. Bush. At the meeting, China is expected to be pressed again to do its part to help strengthen the global economy in the face of what some economists say is the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. But Beijing has already indicated that it intends to help stabilize the global economy by helping keep the Chinese economy, the world's fastest-growing, on track.

On Saturday, Hu spoke by telephone with President-elect Barack Obama about issues including the global financial crisis and how China and the United States might cooperate to help resolve economic problems, according to China's state-run news media.

At home, Beijing is struggling to cope with a rapidly slowing economy. After five years of growth in excess of 10 percent, the Chinese economy is weakening because of slowing export and investment growth, declining consumption and severely depressed stock and property markets.

Factory closings in southern China have led to mass layoffs and even sporadic protests by workers who complained that owners disappeared without paying them their wages.

With many economists in China now projecting that growth in the fourth quarter of this year could be as low as 5.8 percent here, and worries that China's economic miracle could be walloped by the global financial crisis, the government is moving aggressively.

Analysts were expecting China to announce a big stimulus package but were surprised at the size of it.

"That is much more aggressive than I expected," said Frank Gong, an economist in Hong Kong with JPMorgan Chase. "That's a lot of money to spend. They'll be building subways, railroads, bridges, roads. The key is to stimulate end demand."

Beijing undertook a much smaller effort after the Asian financial crisis in 1997 to help keep the economy growing.
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Columbus, Ohio (CNN) -- Teaching Mandarin is a growing trend across schools in the United States, where the number of students enrolling in Chinese language and cultural programs has tripled in recent years.

A school district outside Columbus, Ohio, is on track to receive more than $1 million in federal grant money for its Chinese arts and language program. But what's really caught people's attention is the $30,000 that the district is getting from the government of China.

The Gahanna-Jefferson School District began teaching Mandarin Chinese four years ago and since then, the number of students in the program has increased from about 40 to 350.

Administrators felt China should have a home in their suburban Ohio school system since the communist country has the world's second-largest economy and is becoming increasingly relevant.

"We owe it to our students so they can be a successful part of the world," said Hank Langhals, coordinator for pupil services. "And China will be a major player there."

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I advocate freedom & free markets.......what about you?


China doesn't have freedom as defined by American standards,yet you claim we should follow the Chinese lead.


China doesn't have free markets, yet they are cleaning our clock.

What's the point of this thread?
 
China doesn't have freedom as defined by American standards,yet you claim we should follow the Chinese lead.

China doesn't have free markets, yet they are cleaning our clock.

What's the point of this thread?

they are cleaning our clock because we are wasting resources by pursuing 2 wars, expanding govt, printing money & neglecting free markets through ineffective regulations.

It wasn't always like this, yet you & your ilk feel we are moving forward. Have you ever thought about why we have to borrow money from China?

We know you don't like capitalism but what do you advocate?
 
they are cleaning our clock because we are wasting resources by pursuing 2 wars, expanding govt, printing money & neglecting free markets through ineffective regulations.

It wasn't always like this, yet you & your ilk feel we are moving forward. Have you ever thought about why we have to borrow money from China?

We know you don't like capitalism but what do you advocate?

My ilk? Less regulations means no checks of capitalism predidation.

No, I do not like unregulated capitalism (Laissez faire Capitalism to those who actually read). It's been tried before and it never works. What I advocate is Democratic Social Capitalism, what he had between 1941 and 1980. What era do wish to return to?
 
It's great to see you guys wrapping your head around the effectiveness of different political-economic systems. After much thought, i find that there is no perfect system. The ideal system would be flexible enough to change based on the micro and macro cycles an economy goes through.

Example, in a time like this when capitalism has caused an imbalance and too much capital accumulates in the hands of the capitalist and not enough to the consumers, a switch to a more socialistic type economy with forced goverenment redistribution. Once the redistribution is complete, liberalization can take place and capitalism restored.

That system is already pretty much in place in the US (after the great depression tax rates went up to 90% for a while and world war 2 create full goverenment employment) , however, it is unplanned and chaotic.

As far as China's economic system, please also remember that China's success has more to do with fighting the cold war than any economic system. Nixon opened up our market to China's exports as a foriegn policy tool to split them from the Russians. They have yet to develop an econoy sustained by internal demand. We cannot emulate China unless we can find a bigger market that will let us export without taking our imports and that does not exist.
 
The undedicated and idealogical cannot understand this!

What's weird is that the educated don't seem to understand it either. All the "experts" on the sunday morning talk show programs are either on one side "capitalist" or the other "socialist". I guess that makes for a better show, even though it does a disservice to the masses.
 
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