The Attack on Obama's Character

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by John Byrne

Published: Friday January 19, 2007
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Fox News Channel's morning program <i>Fox &amp; Friends</i> pointed to a report on Friday that Sen. Barack Obama had attended a Muslim 'madrasa' while living in Indonesia as a 6-year-old child.

Host Steve Doocy went on to highlight Obama's middle name, Hussein, and questioned whether Obama was indoctrinated in extremist Muslim doctrine.

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Was it really Fox news behind this story.... or was it someone who would be competing against Obama ..... like maybe .... Hillary Clinton....
 
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My Suggestion:</font size> Let's read, watch and analyze. It could be neither. It doesn't make political sense for Hillary to have done this. On the other hand, shit happens all the time that doesn't make, good political sense.

QueEx
 
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QueEx said:
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My Suggestion:</font size> Let's read, watch and analyze. It could be neither. It doesn't make political sense for Hillary to have done this. On the other hand, shit happens all the time that doesn't make, good political sense.

QueEx

You damn right it was Hillary's people. We are gonna see just how much love these white democrats hate the fuck out of black people. Just last week, I was listning to the radio and these white democrats were cracking shit about republicans left and right. Shit was pretty funny and they were having a damn good time.

So I listened until they switched to cracking on Obama's name. And his middle name, his heavy smoking and past drug use.

Then they started talking about his heritage. Started calling him a HALFRICAN - AMERICAN making a point of his mother coming from Kansas and father out of Kenya. Then they had white callers calling up saying how that was a good name for him and shit. "I got a question for the Halfrican..." The new PC word for calling him an N word. All DEMOCRATS.
Now the name Halfrican-american is not new. But these racist ass white democrats put a new spin on it.

-VG
 
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hillary didn't do it. don't believe republicans are giving obama any type of pass and waiting for the research of dems. the clinton camp may be aware of this info, but without question, it's all about conservatives looking for any way possible to smear the biggest democratic stars knowing damn well that it's a wrap for them in 08 unless they can galvanize their base and dissillusion dems.

which makes more sense: calculative and cautious hillary trying to tear down a man she will plausibly consider for a vp post and risk allieanating influential dem donors and voters with backlash...or, conservatives putting out this bullshit and blaming it on hillary hoping it makes both frontrunners look bad?? who has most to gain??

if you still having trouble, see: occam's razor.
 
bullshit......

the main reason he is running is to take votes away from H. Clinton
no other reason.

The Republicians set this shit up from the get go. They are trying to split the Democratic votes
 
let em smear whatever
to be honest with you i dont want him to run anyways....
and i hope he doesnt win.
i met him a while back because he has a house in my neighborhood.
He is a very kind and intelligent man.
real mellow.
voting for him will only be sending him closer to his death bed.
and any "black" person who think otherwise is a tru fool.
if he won......who will really protect him protect him?
Farrakhan and the black muslims around America.
After seeing how they did one of their own (Malcolm X)...i wouldnt trust them.
who else...the feds...lol
nigga please!!!

dont get another intelligent brotha killed
 
ibobby said:
bullshit......

the main reason he is running is to take votes away from H. Clinton
no other reason.

The Republicians set this shit up from the get go. They are trying to split the Democratic votes
Man fuck out of here with that shit. When a black man is smart, educated, talented, well-spoken, married with children, even that is subject to the conspiratorial process. Why can't Obama just be the real fuckin' deal and you ass kissing democrats just deal with it? He's got to be there to TAKE votes away from that bitch ass hillary. She's not gonna win because NO white man wants a woman to lead them. So that shit is straight up folly.

Bottom line NONE of those white people got love for your black ass. That is the thing both republicans and democrats have in common. Them's bitches is white.

-VG
 
chitownheadbusta said:
let em smear whatever
to be honest with you i dont want him to run anyways....
and i hope he doesnt win.


voting for him will only be sending him closer to his death bed.
and any "black" person who think otherwise is a tru fool.

if he won......who will really protect him protect him?

nigga please!!!

dont get another intelligent brotha killed


You can't be serious :confused:

Let me get this straight, you're just looking out for this GROWN ASS MAN'S (let's not forget intelligent by your own admission) best interest, by NOT voting for him on the premise that he MIGHT get get killed IF he wins??????

Now as a cat that grew up off the tre in the CHI, knowing how horrible the politricks are under Daley, this is your contribution to the discourse????!!! :angry: I want to sick the mo's on you for that statement alone . . . to bust yo' head in CHI-TOWN. Good grief. With so called "brothers" like you, who need cracka's to do anything. You need to retract that statement . . . in a HURRY!

JG


 
chitownheadbusta said:
let em smear whatever
to be honest with you i dont want him to run anyways....
and i hope he doesnt win.
i met him a while back because he has a house in my neighborhood.
He is a very kind and intelligent man.
real mellow.
voting for him will only be sending him closer to his death bed.
and any "black" person who think otherwise is a tru fool.
if he won......who will really protect him protect him?
Farrakhan and the black muslims around America.
After seeing how they did one of their own (Malcolm X)...i wouldnt trust them.
who else...the feds...lol
nigga please!!!

dont get another intelligent brotha killed


That's ridiculous.


.. Anyway, DIVIDE and Conquer is an old school way to defeat. The Faux News is trying to create a rift between Hillary and Barack so it gets dirty and they defeat each other to make it easy on the GOP candidate.
 
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C'mon you guys actually believe this shit!!? Fake(FOX) news, for public brainwashing, SPIN, don't let em seperate US. We have to stand up for dude!
 
ibobby said:
bullshit......

the main reason he is running is to take votes away from H. Clinton
no other reason.

The Republicians set this shit up from the get go. They are trying to split the Democratic votes
So by splitting the vote that would mean a third candidate would benefit. Assuming that this is a GOP ploy, who would that third candidate be? John Edwards? Joe Biden? Chris Dodd? Truth be told it's really way to early to be speculating on who the viable candidates for the dem ticket are. There's so much time...and so much more bullshit...to go
 
it's like you did not expect this to happen, he is just the new ******, ( AKA Jesse JAckson ) to split the vote, yes I believe Hill Larry and her crooked people have something to do with this (a lot of people that worked with bill, and Hill Larry woke up dead, under some strange situations) , but it is not just her and the democrats, it's the whole system.

personally, the man (obama ) hasn't said shit yet, nor have the democrats, now that they are in power, what is their plan, oops, my bad they don't have one, all they know is that they don't like Bush's

let me get off my soap box, and remember " We live in a republic, not a democracy " (we don't vote for the president, we vote for the electoral college, their vote is non binding, the can vote for who ever they choose)
 
John_Gault said:
You can't be serious :confused:

Let me get this straight, you're just looking out for this GROWN ASS MAN'S (let's not forget intelligent by your own admission) best interest, by NOT voting for him on the premise that he MIGHT get get killed IF he wins??????

Now as a cat that grew up off the tre in the CHI, knowing how horrible the politricks are under Daley, this is your contribution to the discourse????!!! :angry: I want to sick the mo's on you for that statement alone . . . to bust yo' head in CHI-TOWN. Good grief. With so called "brothers" like you, who need cracka's to do anything. You need to retract that statement . . . in a HURRY!

JG





no need to change what i said.
like i said, if i vote, i wont be voting for him.
most blacks who will vote for him will only be doing so because he black....or because they feel him winning will be some sort of payback for all the shit we let white folks do to us.
at least i have a justified reason for NOT voting for him
 
Wow, will be very interersting to see who's behind this campaign. I got to start visiting this board more often, instead of the main board.
 
The cool thing about Obama is that he is not afraid to admit any faults in his past. If he was doing crazy stuff while he was a Senator, it would be different. I heard FOX news was saying he was a SMOKER....oooooooooooo. What President don't smoke at least cigars?
 
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QueEx said:
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My Suggestion:</font size> Let's read, watch and analyze. It could be neither. It doesn't make political sense for Hillary to have done this. On the other hand, shit happens all the time that doesn't make, good political sense.

QueEx

Its like this... while we "simpletons" who's only function is to go to the pols and vote often forget about the other side of the process of running for president.

MONEY......

The candidate that starts the earliest has the best chance of raising the most "money" for the long hard road of a presidential race. Too many people don't see that type of connection mostly because of their own ignorance.
They don't realize that it takes over $100,000,000 (ONE HUNDRED MILLION) dollars to run a "successful" presidential campaign. All that money is "donated" to the candidates.

While most of us choose to "vote" with our mouths, the real presidential benefactors are the individuals and groups that put the huge sums of money to make a presidential candidates run to the office a successful one.

With that analogy.... Hillary will be taking a huge "hit" in her wallet if Obama continues to lead in the polls. Who wants to invest money on a pipe dream with no political return on investment.

But I guess I'm different than most of the "motor mouths," cause I know for a fact that "MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS." Thats what they should really teach in political science 101. And if you disagree with me.... tough cookies... unless you've written a check to your favorite candidate for about $10,000... your opinion is no better than mine. Just only idle chit chat till next presidential election day.
 
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chitownheadbusta said:
no need to change what i said.
like i said, if i vote, i wont be voting for him.
most blacks who will vote for him will only be doing so because he black....or because they feel him winning will be some sort of payback for all the shit we let white folks do to us.
at least i have a justified reason for NOT voting for him

Actually, this scenario is not new. Remember Jesse Jackson's campaign back in 1984. Many of us blacks still had to answer the same questions. Did we want to vote for Jesse because he is only a "black" candidate, or do we want to vote for a candidate that represents a choice free from the influence of race.

Back in 1984 and in 1988 Jesse's candidacy really split and divided the democratic party which resulted in an overwhelming defeat of the democratic parties candidates both times.

Was this a part of a Republican party conspiracy.... I doubt it... But if you know Jesse... he was not an "electable" candidate and he knew it... This was more the result of his of his own misguided and blindful arrogance.
 
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bigblackafrica said:
hillary didn't do it. don't believe republicans are giving obama any type of pass and waiting for the research of dems. the clinton camp may be aware of this info, but without question, it's all about conservatives looking for any way possible to smear the biggest democratic stars knowing damn well that it's a wrap for them in 08 unless they can galvanize their base and dissillusion dems.

which makes more sense: calculative and cautious hillary trying to tear down a man she will plausibly consider for a vp post and risk allieanating influential dem donors and voters with backlash...or, conservatives putting out this bullshit and blaming it on hillary hoping it makes both frontrunners look bad?? who has most to gain??

if you still having trouble, see: occam's razor.

Uh... if you are even "old" enough to remember Hillary's co-presidency back in the 90's, you would know she played "games" and proved herself just as capable of covert shinanigans just like any other washington politician. Ever heard of White Water....Vince Foster... Travel Gate...

These were all tied to "directly" to Hillary who later went on to say it was all part of some right wing conspiracy to defame her. If anything, Hillary knows that if she can channel discredible information about an adversary thru an undisclosed third party, the public reaction will always be its those right wingers still pickin on her and tryin to make her look bad cause she's a woman.

I'm not saying Hillary is responsible for this matter with Obama..... I'm only sayin she's had plenty of practice in the past.
 
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Does anyone "else" know who George Soros is.... he's a billionaire financier who's responsible for organizations like MOVEON.Org and a huge donorr to the democratic party. The early fight for the presidential nomination by the democrats is really a fight over money and for campaign donors.....

Clinton Enters ’08 Field, Fueling Race for Money

By PATRICK HEALY and JEFF ZELENY


Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton jumped into the 2008 presidential race yesterday, immediately squaring off against Senator Barack Obama and the rest of the Democratic field in what is effectively the party’s first primary, the competition for campaign donations.

“I’m in,” Mrs. Clinton said in an e-mail message to supporters early yesterday. “And I’m in to win.”

If successful, Mrs. Clinton, 59, would be the first female nominee of a major American political party, and she would become the first spouse of a former president to seek a return to the White House.

Her entrance into the race followed Mr. Obama’s by less than a week, and highlighted the urgency for her of not falling behind in the competition for money, especially in New York, her home turf, where the battle has already reached a fever pitch. It also set off rounds of e-mail messages and conference calls among both her allies and opponents.

George Soros, the billionaire New York philanthropist, has made maximum donations in the past to both candidates, for instance, and last week he faced a choice: support Mr. Obama, who created his committee on Tuesday, or stay neutral and see what Mrs. Clinton and others had to say. In this case, Mr. Obama won.

Mr. Soros sent the maximum contribution, $2,100, to Mr. Obama, the first-term senator from Illinois, just hours after he declared his plans to run.

“Soros believes that Senator Obama brings a new energy to the political system and has the potential to be a transformational leader,” said Michael Vachon, a spokesman for Mr. Soros.

Mrs. Clinton’s presidential operation is only one day old, but she already finds herself in a breakneck competition against Mr. Obama for fund-raising supremacy in two towns that she and her husband have mined heavily for political gold: New York and Hollywood. Mr. Obama’s entrance into the race has also put up for grabs other groups that are primary targets for Mrs. Clinton, including African-Americans and women.

At this early stage in the nomination fight, securing donations and signing up fund-raisers are among the best ways of showing political strength in a crowded field (seven Democrats and counting). And Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton are looking to raise at least $75 million this year alone.

Advisers said yesterday that they had begun corralling donors to build quickly on the formidable $14 million that Mrs. Clinton already had in the bank. They predicted that they would outpace Mr. Obama, though they acknowledged that he is moving impressively to try to match Mrs. Clinton’s national fund-raising network, which has been in the making far longer than his.

Mrs. Clinton faces some fatigue among donors after more than 15 years of Clinton fund-raising, Democratic contributors and strategists said, and some skepticism about whether she can win. Yet she has the Democrats’ most popular rainmaker at her full disposal, former President Bill Clinton, and she has influential friends like the lawyer and power broker Vernon E. Jordan Jr. to help keep African-American donors and others by her side.

Notably, no prominent Clinton fund-raiser has moved to Mr. Obama’s camp (though his aides are working on it). Mrs. Clinton has also lined up a powerful roster of fund-raising and economic advisers in New York, including the financiers Roger Altman, Steven Rattner, Blair W. Effron, Alan Patricof and Mr. Rattner’s wife, Maureen White, a former finance chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee.

“Maureen and I will happily do everything we can to help her,” Mr. Rattner said. “Based on our long relationship with her, we feel that she has demonstrated incontrovertibly that she would be an effective candidate and a terrific president.”

For all of the attention swirling around Mr. Obama, meanwhile, he faces many obstacles as he seeks to become the nation’s first black president. His background, including a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas, has elevated his appeal, but it does little to answer questions about whether he has the experience to serve in the White House.

Picking off Clinton loyalists is no easy task, either. Hours after opening his fund-raising committee on Tuesday, Mr. Obama convened separate conference calls with donors in Chicago and on the East and West Coasts; in the East Coast phone call, according to participants, Mr. Obama asked them to keep an open mind about his candidacy even if they had been allies of Mrs. Clinton.

James Torrey, chairman of the global hedge fund Torrey Funds, said he signed on with Mr. Obama not as a snub to Mrs. Clinton, but because he believed that the Illinois senator had the best chance of inspiring Democrats and other voters.

“I know it’s perceived as an anti-Hillary thing,” Mr. Torrey said in an interview Friday. “I think she’s marvelous, I think she’s a great senator, but I’d rather see Barack Obama as president. I think the Republicans will make it their life’s work to bring her down.”

Several New York and Hollywood donors offered a similar assessment: they liked Mrs. Clinton as a senator, but worried that her rating in a new Washington Post/ABC News Poll released Saturday was at 41 percent, despite having nearly 100 percent name recognition.

Some of her veteran supporters in New York are now on the fence, including the business executives Orin S. Kramer and Robert Zimmerman, who are active in Democratic politics. Others say they plan to play it safe and contribute to both candidates. In Los Angeles, the producers David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg and Steven Spielberg are working to plan a fund-raiser for Mr. Obama after he officially enters the race, which he is scheduled to do on Feb. 10. Mr. Geffen has signed on with Mr. Obama, while Mr. Katzenberg and Mr. Spielberg have not decided which candidate to formally endorse.

Yet hedging bets with a spread of donations could prove perilous with the Clinton camp, said Bob Kerrey, the former Nebraska senator who is president of the New School University.

“The Clintons value loyalty, and I don’t think they are going to risk offending her,” Mr. Kerrey said of Mrs. Clinton’s traditional supporters, noting that he spoke to several undecided Democrats last week. Referring to Mr. Obama, he added: “He’s got to reach out to Hillary’s supporters and hope he can persuade some of them. If he doesn’t, she’s the nominee.”

Mr. Zimmerman said he was enthusiastic about Mrs. Clinton. Asked why he had not aligned with her yet, he said: “It’s appropriate and respectful to hear every candidate’s message.”

Mr. Obama is putting together his own finance team to focus on New York. He has hired Julianna Smoot, who helped tap Wall Street money as part of a record-setting team at the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee under Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York. He has also dispatched a fund-raiser, Jenny Yeager, to run his New York operation, and he is calling on Robert Wolf, chairman of UBS Americas, to raise money. (A spokeswoman for Mr. Wolf, who has donated to Mrs. Clinton and other Democrats, confirmed that he planned to help Mr. Obama.)

In New York, chief executives, lawyers, entertainers, gay men and lesbians, African-Americans and women have been prominent in political fund-raising for decades — though usually they are picking among outsiders, not hometown friends and allies. Yet the 2008 race will test personal and political loyalties, with Mrs. Clinton preparing to announce a run and former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and perhaps former Gov. George E. Pataki moving to seek the Republican nomination. Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg is also being encouraged to run as an independent.

The attention given to Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama is making fund-raising that much more difficult for other Democrats. While former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina still hopes to tap into a network of supporters among trial lawyers, his former profession, and to build an army of grass-roots donors, strategists for other candidates conceded that raising money would be an uphill battle and said it was an open question whether there was room for more than one alternative to Mrs. Clinton.

“I just got off the phone with someone who said, ‘It’s between Edwards and Obama,’ and with a little nudging I pushed him over to the Obama camp,” said Jeh Johnson, a partner at the Paul, Weiss law firm in New York who has been making fund-raising calls on behalf of Mr. Obama.

Mr. Johnson, who was general counsel for the Air Force in the Clinton administration, said younger Democrats and women — crucial parts of Mrs. Clinton’s base — were excited about Mr. Obama. “I haven’t encountered many New Yorkers who say, ‘No, I’m not interested, I’m a Hillary supporter,’ ” he said.

The competition for supporters — and contributors — extends well beyond New York. And Mr. Obama could complicate Mrs. Clinton’s fund-raising efforts in Chicago, another lucrative base for Democrats. In her Senate re-election bid last year, she raised nearly $700,000 from Illinois, her native state.

One Democratic operative, who has knowledge of Mrs. Clinton’s fund-raising operation in the Midwest, called donors in Chicago last week after Mr. Obama’s announcement, asking whether it would be foolhardy to sign onto the Clinton campaign if he was in the race. While party officials say Mr. Obama will have an advantage in Chicago, they said Mrs. Clinton would still find considerable support there.

While Mr. Obama has never run a national campaign, his political action committee, the Hopefund, has attracted a broad base of contributors from across the country.

In the New York entertainment industry, too, Mr. Obama’s candidacy has received raves. Hours after his announcement Tuesday, the Broadway producer Margo Lion sent out an e-mail message urging her friends to donate to him — making clear that the theater community was not locked down by Mrs. Clinton.

“Along with many others in the industry, I will be producing a fund-raiser at the St. James Theater later this spring” for Mr. Obama, Ms. Lion wrote. “We need to find a new direction for our country, and finally, we have the man to do it.”

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The Swiftboating Begins

The Right Smears Obama

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Karen Russell
January 21, 2007

The minute Senator Barack Obama had traction, the right starting emphasizing his middle name. "Barack Hussein Obama", they sneered. They never talked about him without saying all three names as if the fact his parents gave him the middle name "Hussein" automatically disqualified him to run for President. The smear was both so dumb and transparent, it was laughable.

Then other right-wing bigots like Debbie Schlussel took the attack even further:

[W]hile Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.​

So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian, and even if he despised the behavior of his father (as Obama said on Oprah); is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be?

Is that even the man we'd want to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, if Hillary Clinton offers him the Vice Presidential candidacy on her ticket (which he certainly wouldn't turn down)?

NO WAY, JOSE . . . Or, is that, HUSSEIN?


Then Reverend Sun Myung Moon's INSIGHT magazine spread the false rumor that Obama secretly attended an Islamic "madrassa" school as a six-year old. Apparently these false rumors prove that "Barack Hussein Obama" really is a closeted radical Muslim and unfit for office.

Per INSIGHT, Hillary Clinton's campaign was behind this damaging revelation. Just when you thought the statute of limitations was up on the right bleating, "It's Clinton's fault!", they bring it back with a twist -- "It's Clinton's fault. Hillary Clinton's fault."

The INSIGHT article cited no evidence or proof that this attack actually came from Clinton. Apparently, INSIGHT wants to divide and conquer the Democrats. They want Obama to think the Clintons are smearing him and cause dissent in the Democratic Party. They get to have their cake and eat it too. They get to smear Obama AND blame the dirty tricks on Clinton. So far, we aren't falling for it.

As Media Matters points out, Melanie Morgan, Rush Limbaugh and Fox's John Gibson also ran with the false rumors:

Morgan read from the article, then asserted that Clinton "is going to try to derail the train before it gets out of the station," adding: "And we know that Hillary Clinton has used private eyes to spy on the private lives of many of her political opponents as well as the girlfriends of her husband over the years." [...]
On his program, Limbaugh read the story and claimed: "This is Hillary's team doing this. This is not a bunch of Republicans saying this. They wouldn't dare; they don't have the guts." [...]

Gibson addressed the InsightMag.com article as his "Big Story" at the beginning of the show and again in his "My Word" segment at the end of the program. After claiming that Clinton "has reportedly outed Obama's madrassa past," Gibson told Republican strategist Terry Holt: "Now, we have heard about dirty politics before. Republicans aren't involved in this one." [...]

Holt responded: "This was either a despicable act by an absolutely ruthless Clinton political machine -- we know that they are capable of doing this. But I also thought, you know, it wasn't directly linked to Hillary Clinton." Holt then speculated that Obama himself could have been behind the story, saying that "if you took a page out of the Clinton book and you are really shrewd and you were Barack Obama, you might want to put this out yourself so that you could deal with it early in the political campaign and get it over with." But Holt also noted that "a madrassa, before it was politicized and really taken over by the fundamentalists primarily from Saudi Arabia, it was nothing more than a parochial school, and Barack Obama was in school 40 years ago."​

[Read more about Gibson's hate in my The War On Oprah ]. According to Fox, Obama is an undercover Muslim brother. Think Progress summarizes Friday's Fox and Friends:

Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy pointed out that madrassas are "financed by Saudis" and "teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us," then declared, "The big question is: was that on the curriculum back then?" Later, a caller to the show questioned whether Obama's schooling means that "maybe he doesn't consider terrorists the enemy." Fox anchor Brian Kilmeade responded, "Well, we'll see about that."​

The fact that Obama attended both a Catholic and a Muslim school in Indonesia is hardly a secret since Obama wrote about it in his best seller Audacity of Hope. The fact that he was SIX at the time makes this smear a total joke. Plus, Obama is Christian. He frequently talks about his Christianity and has been a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ since the eighties.

So while bashing Hillary for her alleged dirty tricks, the right wing attack machine gets to use those same those false rumors to smear Obama AND then they get to distance themselves from the trash talking and mudslinging by pointing the finger squarely at Hillary. Now that Clinton has announced her committee, I bet they'll be trotting this tactic out with increasing frequency.

It didn't take long for the Republican spin machine to play the race card and the blame game. Obviously they can't use the "N Word" against Obama, so they start with the "M Word" and blame Hillary in the process. Just wait, it won't take them long to accuse Obama of "using the race card" and then crediting Clinton with the attack. I don't know what the context will be, but trust me it is coming.

The reality is that these smears are transparent and make them look desperate. Is this the best they can do? The good news is it shows that they are taking Obama's candidacy very seriously. Fasten your seat belts Obama, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

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Karen Russell is a Seattle attorney, television pundit, and political strategist, and a graduate of Mercer Island High School, Georgetown University and Harvard Law School. She is the daughter of basketball legend Bill Russell.


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Clinton's camp fires first salvo
BY GLENN THRUSH
WASHINGTON BUREAU

January 21, 2007, 11:34 PM EST

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's pollster fired an opening salvo at Sen. Barack Obama and John Edwards yesterday, claiming their campaigns are "stalled or falling" -- and suggesting Obama isn't tough enough to withstand GOP attacks in 2008.

A day after Clinton announced she would run for president -- and win -- her campaign's chief strategist Mark Penn sent a memo to reporters intended to offset an avalanche of articles emphasizing Clinton's high disapproval ratings and questioning her electability.

She is not just strong, but the strongest Democrat in the field," wrote Penn, referring to a new national poll showing Clinton with a commanding 20-plus-point lead over Obama and Edwards, the Democratic nominee as vice president in 2004.

In Manhattan yesterday, Clinton echoed that mantra, saying, "It will be a great contest with a lot of talented people and I'm very confident. ... I'm worried about the future of our country and I want to help put it back on the right course. I believe I am best-positioned to be able to do that and that's why I'm running."

She went on to say her daughter, Chelsea, and her husband, Bill, are "my greatest advisers."
But it was Penn who stated that no other Democrat is tough enough to beat back Sen. John McCain or former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.

In a clear reference to Obama's lack of political experience on the national stage, Penn wrote: "Some of the commentators look at the ratings of people who have not yet been in the cross-fire, and say they might have a better chance. Recent history shows the opposite."

He then set his sights on Sen. John Kerry and former Vice President Al Gore, who also might run in 2008. "The last two Democratic presidential candidates started out with high favorable ratings and ended up on Election Day -- and today -- far more polarizing and disliked nationally," said the pollster, who cut his teeth on President Bill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign.

An Obama spokesman had no comment. Attempts to contact Edwards, Kerry and Gore weren't successful.

Obama announced the formation of his exploratory panel Tuesday but didn't get a boost in the polls. Clinton now holds a commanding 41-17 percent lead over the Illinois senator among Democrats and Democrat-leaning Independents, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll taken before her announcement, and after Obama's Jan. 16 campaign kickoff.

Strikingly, Clinton did even better among black Democratic voters, amassing a 26-point lead over Obama. "Hillary's Democratic primary support is climbing, while others are stalled or falling," crowed Penn.

Clinton isn't doing nearly as well in early primary and caucus states, particularly Iowa, where she trails Obama, Edwards and ex-Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack.

Clinton is planning her first trip to that state next weekend, according to a news report.

Penn chalks up Clinton's poor showing in Iowa to her absence and lashed out at candidates who have made frequent stops in the state. "While some candidates have been in Iowa and New Hampshire for years, running as permanent presidential candidates, Hillary has been working hard as a senator for New York," Penn wrote.

Staff writer Reid J. Epstein contributed to this story.

"somewhere in the middle lies the truth"....
 
The only good thing to this low down bull shat is that they are showing their cards way too early. This may actually work to Obama's benefit in the long run.
 
Headmaster Disputes Claim That Obama Attended Islamic School

By Howard Kurtz
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Fresh doubt was cast yesterday on a magazine's allegation that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) attended a madrassah, or religious school that teaches a fundamentalist version of Islam.


Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school in Indonesia, told CNN that his institution -- which Obama attended four decades ago, beginning when he was 6 -- is not a madrassah.


Insight magazine is standing by its article asserting that Sen. Barack Obama attended a school that teaches a fundamentalist version of Islam.
Insight magazine is standing by its article asserting that Sen. Barack Obama attended a school that teaches a fundamentalist version of Islam.

"This is a public school," Priyono told CNN correspondent John Vause in Jakarta. "We don't focus on religion." Classes in Islam are offered to the predominantly Muslim students at the school, CNN reported.

Insight, a weekly Internet magazine owned by the conservative Washington Times, had reported the madrassah allegation late last week and added, citing unnamed sources, that the information had been unearthed by researchers close to the campaign of Obama's rival for the Democratic presidential nomination Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. In an online posting, Insight called yesterday's Washington Post article on the controversy a "hit piece" by the "liberal media establishment."

While not addressing the veracity of the madrassah allegation, the magazine said it had contacted the Obama camp, which declined to comment.

"Insight's story was not thinly sourced," the posting said. "Our reporter's sources close to the Clinton opposition research war room confirm the truth of the story. The Clinton camp's denial has as much credibility as the 'I never had sex with that woman' statement."

Spokesmen for Obama and Clinton called the Insight story absurd. Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs yesterday criticized Fox News for picking up the allegations, saying of the network's slogan: "It would be nice if 'fair and balanced' included some actual journalism once in a while." A Clinton spokesman, Howard Wolfson, said yesterday that "comments like this prove the point: This is a biased publication with no discernible journalistic standards."

Fox says two of its programs merely took note of what Insight had reported. The morning show "Fox & Friends" aired a clarification yesterday, reporting that Obama's camp had called the story "completely ridiculous" and that "the Clinton camp has said, 'We had nothing to do with that.' "

Howard Kurtz hosts CNN's weekly media program, "Reliable Sources."

 
Off subject, but I found a story about how FOX engineers, alters and omits information in stories on national news programs for the masses.

Not to say the Clintons are perfect, in fact, they are part of the NWO and are Illuminati...

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Been a long time since I've been in here (been in the general forum), but inside info has Clinton written over it. The Republicans doesn't want to run against Hillary Clinton, point blank. The Clintons are hell to run against. They will definitely get some dirt on you and smear it all over the papers.

If you think the Clintons didn't leak this, you don't know how dirty politics really is.

Now what is funny is that people haven't realized why NOW it was leaked. That Insight Magazine editor thinks that he somehow gotten this leaked information because he had some "insiders." Stupid.

The REAL reason why this info was leaked is due to that big fundraiser that is happening for Obama in Hollywood soon. See, the main organizers are David Geffen and Steven Spielberg. Both of them are Jewish and David Geffen is homosexual. And they were HUGE Clinton supporters. But they, as well as many within "Big Hollywood" are abandoning Clinton and joining up with Obama. ANd they are contributing to his campaign in ways unimaginable outside of the Clinton camp.

But if it looks, or even smells like Obama is sympathetic to radical Islam, Geffen, Spielberg, and the other Jews in Hollywood would no longer contribute to Obama. And Obama's financial network would crumble. Oh, and black people are not going to support Obama's campaign, for according to recent polling, the majority of black voters doesn't relate to Obama.

I personally like Obama and I want him to be President over anyone else I see running. But this guy is in for it. And if you think this is bad, imagine what will happen closer to the caucuses.
 
Nice to read you again tian. As you will note, many of the threads you started as far back as 2005 are still active today.

I haven't seen a politician yet that hasn't, directly or indirectly, delved into the mud. But, just because all or nearly all do doesn't mean that Hillary or those in or around her camp is responsible for the Osama smear campaign against Obama. Thats essentially what you said above.

Hillary and her ilk could very well be responsible for the smear but it would seem just a bit illogical to me for them to be the culprits. For the main reason, as we all know, Black people are going to vote about 85 to 90 percent democratic in the next presidential election. In other words, its a damn lock. The ONLY thing that will affect Black turnout for the dems in 2008 would be a stupid move by someone like Hillary Clinton to disparage someone like Barack Obama.

NO democratic candidate can win the White House without Black support. Not fucking one of them. To anger a <u>guaranteed bloc vote</u> in 08 borders on suicide, both for the white candidate that does it and for the party in general. For some reason, I just don't think Hillary Clinton is that stupid or suicidal.

I think the smear comes from some of the usual throw-a-rock-and-hide-your-hand suspects.

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<B>Barack Obama’s free ride is ending.</B>

The charismatic Illinois senator has enjoyed a lifetime of hagiography, starting with an 800-word story in The New York Times the day after his election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

Now, Obama’s about to endure a going-over that would make a proctologist blush. Why has he sometimes said his name is Arabic, and other times Swahili? Why did he make up names in his first book, as the introduction acknowledges? Why did he say two years ago that he would “absolutely” serve out his Senate term, which sends in 2011, and that the idea of him running for president this cycle was “silly” and hype “that’s been a little overblown”?

In interviews, strategists in both parties pointed to four big vulnerabilities: Obama’s inexperience, the thinness of his policy record, his frank liberalism in a time when the party needs centrist voters, and the wealth of targets that are provided by the personal recollections in his first book, from past drug use to conversations that cannot be documented.

Beginning with his announcement for president on Saturday, the long knives will be out for Obama from three directions: Reporters, perpetuating the boom and bust cycle of a ravenous media culture, will try to make up for the fawning coverage of the past. Democratic rivals see him as the easiest mark among the major contenders, and want to get him out of the way. And some top Republicans think the party would have a better chance with Sen. Hillary Clinton as the nominee, since she is a known quantity while Obama can try to define himself as anything he wants.

Officials at the top of both parties calculate that Obama has risen too fast to sustain his popularity in the cauldron of a presidential campaign. Democrats talk of “vapid platitudes” that could produce a “soufflé effect” – an implosion as journalists and activists begin probing for substance behind Obama’s appealing promise of “a different kind of politics” and “a new kind of politics.”

“With a couple of pinpricks here and there, the whole thing could fall apart,” said a Democratic strategist familiar with the plans of Obama’s rival campaigns.

Says another top Democrat: "Once the shooting war starts, he's not going to be able to get away with these grand pronouncements.”

Obama’s friend Donna Brazile, who has known him since 2002 because of their work together on children’s issues, is staying neutral in the Democratic contest but says he’s ready for the onslaught, contending that his press has already become more mixed. “He’s laying a foundation and a framework,” he said. “People are responding to his message and are tuning out all the polarization.”

Even his name offers fodder for the critics. When he was growing up, his family, friends and teachers called him “Barry.” Then as a young man, he started insisting on “Barack,” explaining in his a memoir published in 1995 that his grandfather was a Muslim and that it means “blessed” in Arabic. His dad, who was Kenyan, had gone by “Barry” -- probably trying to fit in when he came to the states, his son figured. On the campaign trail during his 1994 Senate race, he told reporters that “Barack” was Swahili for “blessed by God.”

Whatever its origins, the exotic, multicultural name – so open to interpretation that some Irish folks he ran into assumed “O’Bama” must be one of theirs – is just one of the tools Obama has used to create a captivating narrative about himself as a post-partisan messiah for a nation weary of Potomac combat. The idea of Obama has created dizzying expectations for a senator who draws the largest spontaneous crowds of any American public figure since Colin Powell went on book tour. A cartoon doctor in The New Yorker even diagnoses a patient with “Obamania.”

Obama was the crowd favorite at the Democratic National Committee meeting in Washington last weekend, offering remarks so lofty that most of them could have come from either party. “Our rivals won't be one another,” Obama said as part of the parade of presidential hopefuls that spoke to the crowd. “And I would assert it won't even be the other party. It's going to be cynicism that we're fighting against.”

But that is surely wishful thinking, because his rivals are getting ready to dig into him at public debates and forums, beginning with a labor-sponsored session in Carson City, Nev., on Feb. 21. Obama has said he’ll leave Nevada just before the event.

Obama, whose two massive books (both New York Times bestsellers) make it clear he is wise beyond his 45 years, knows what’s coming. He writes presciently in the one published last year, “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream”: “”Precisely because I’ve watched the press cast me in a light that can be hard to live up to, I am mindful of how rapidly that process can work in reverse.” He recalls President Bush warning him privately during their first meeting in the White House: “When you get a lot of attention like you’ve been getting, people start gunnin’ for ya.”

Here’s a capsulized look at the opponents’ plans for undoing Obama:

1. Inexperience

It was only about two years ago, during a meeting with reporters at his Illinois campaign headquarters after his election to the U.S. Senate, that he ridiculed as “a silly question” whether he would run for president or vice president before his term ends in 2011. “I’ve never worked in Washington,” he said. “I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years, and my entire focus is making sure that I’m the best possible senator on behalf of the people of Illinois.”

As he told NBC’s Tim Russert on “Meet the Press” after his election in 2004, “I don’t know where the restrooms are in the Senate.” Then last October, on the same show, he backed away from the pledge, saying it reflected his “thinking at the time” but that he had not thought about the idea “with the seriousness and depth that I think it required.”

Asked on ABC’s “Good Morning America” last month if his lack of foreign policy experience would hurt him in his White House bid, Obama replied: “My experience in foreign policy is probably more diverse than most others in the field. I mean, I'm somebody who has actually lived overseas, somebody who has studied overseas. You know, I majored in international relations.”

Jim Wallis, the progressive theologian who founded Sojourners/Call to Renewal, says the senator has “a different kind of experience” than a typical candidate, and said he has listened to Obama talk knowledgably and passionately about youth, the arts, politics, religion and business in small-group settings since he was an Illinois state senator and few people knew who he was. “There’s an intellectual depth and personal depth and moral depth,” Wallis said. “He’s didn’t say, ‘Let me try these ideas.’ He’s been talking about them since he was the least famous person in the room.”

2. Anemic Policy Record

At the DNC meeting, Obama surprised some in the audience by seeming to scoff at the intricacy of public policy. "There are those who don't believe in talking about hope," he said. "They say, well, we want specifics, we want details, we want white papers, we want plans. We've had a lot of plans, Democrats. What we've had is a shortage of hope."

A former Democratic official in close touch with several of the campaigns said: "Downplaying the importance of specific plans and ideas seems like a really strange strategy from somebody who is clearly very smart, policy-wise, but hasn't established that with the broader public yet."

Aides to Obama say that his weekend’s three-day announcement tour in Illinois, Iowa and New Hampshire – including town-hall meetings, rallies and a house party – will focus on the broad, uplifting themes that were a hit at the DNC meeting. He has said the nation must have “the will to pass health care for all by the end of the first term of the very next president of the United States,” and that is likely to be among his early proposals.

“Audacity of Hope,” named for a sermon Obama heard back when he owned only one suit, sketches a possible health-care overhaul designed to save money through lower administrative and malpractice costs so that a subsidy could be offered to low-income families. Immediate coverage would be mandated for uninsured children. The senator has also talked about an energy plan to “wean ourselves off Middle Eastern oil,” which could be an early proposal.

3. Liberalism

The senator is unabashedly more liberal than the centrist path charted by President Bill Clinton. Back in 1996, a Cleveland Plain Dealer reporter that Obama – then the Democratic nominee from his state Senate district – sighed when asked about the fall election. “Bill Clinton?” Obama was quoted as asking. “Well, his campaign's fascinating to a student of politics. It's disturbing to someone who cares about certain issues. But politically, it seems to be working."

“Audacity of Hope” advocates civil unions for gay people, declaring tartly that Obama is not “willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.” He says he doesn’t “believe we strengthen the family by bullying or coercing people into the relationships we think are best for them – or by punishing those who fail to meet our standards of sexual propriety.”

He writes Bill Clinton and conservatives turned out to be “right about welfare as it was previously structured.” He adds, ““But we also need to admit that work alone does not ensure that people can rise out of poverty.”

4. Disclosures in His Books

A little-noticed disclaimer at the front of his 442-page memoir of his youth, “Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance” says: “For the sake of compression, some of the characters that appear are composites of people that I’ve known, and some events appear out of precise chronology. With the exception of my family and a handful of public figures, the names of most characters have been changed for the sake of their privacy.”

The disclosure calls into question the pages and pages of years-old dialogue that Obama recalled when he was writing the book, a frank and searching account of his effort to come to terms with issues of race in America, at age 33. Lynn Sweet, the dogged Washington reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times, spotted the disclaimer in 2004 and wrote one of the few critical stories every printed about Obama. “I say in the book it is my remembrances of what happened,” he told her in an interview. “I don’t set it out as reportage … read the book for what it is worth.”

It is immensely valuable as a Rosetta Stone to a man who wants to lead the free world, and wrote rawly about his shame when he had referred to a Beaver-Cleaver-like, argyle-sweater wearing black friend as an Uncle Tom in order to try to ingratiate himself to more radical friends. But Obama, who would start his career in politics as a community organizer in Chicago, wrote that he also found solace in the autobiography of Malcolm X, with his “unadorned insistence on respect.”

The book also contains the admission about his youth: “Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it.” He also uses a slang term to refer to casual sex, and quotes a vulgar term from a bull session about Malcolm X. His campaign says voters will appreciate the honesty and support him. The challenge for Obama will be to survive long enough for voters to have that chance.

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The editorial below is one of the most insidious smears of a candidate I’ve ever read. Yet it is important as it reveals the inner workings of the white supremacist mind.

The author of the editorial and owner of <i>’Investors Business Daily’</i> newspaper are not dumb hick klansmen; they are highly educated, multi-millionaire businessmen.

What in their mind disqualifies Obama from being President of the US???—— He’s Afrocentric!!!
Oh No!, his minister wears a dashiki, doesn’t worship “the white Jesus” and believes in “Black Power”. I guess if Barack was a member of ‘Too Big Jakes’ church all would be fine.

White supremacist never cease to amaze me. Here is a guy they were lining up to hire, offering him 7 figures to start, to help them make more money. But the reality that the brand of Christianity Barack has embraced is “liberation theology” , Afrocentricity & Pan-Africanism disqualifies him. He’s just another threatening ******.</font>
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<b>January 22, 2007

Campaign 2008:</b> Those spreading rumors that Barack Hussein Obama is a "closet Muslim" are off the mark. His religion has little to do with Islam and everything to do with a militantly Afrocentric movement that's no less troubling.

Surrogates for Hillary Clinton and GOP front-runners hope to tarnish golden boy Obama by making him out to be some kind of Manchurian candidate for Islamist masters because he shares a name with Saddam Hussein and is the son of a Muslim.

True, his late father was Muslim, but he can hardly be described as "radical," as the rumors have put it. He turned atheist in his early 20s before Obama was even born.

His mother is from a Christian background but eschewed organized religion altogether. She and her parents (one Baptist, the other Methodist) ended up raising Obama after her two marriages failed.

Yes, his former stepfather, an Indonesian oil executive, also was Muslim, albeit a secular one. Obama describes him as "nonpracticing," and he spent only five years with the man before he and his mother split up.

If, as rumors claim, Obama's stepfather nurtured a "lifelong relationship with Islam" for his stepson, why isn't his daughter a practicing Muslim? Obama's Indonesian half-sister, now a University of Hawaii professor, is a "hottie" who dresses in Westernized clothing, students say.

What about the supposed "Wahhabi madrassa" Obama attended for "four years" in Jakarta? Actually, he went to a Muslim school for two years, along with a Catholic school for the same amount of time. "I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school," Obama wrote in his autobiography, "and then to a predominantly Muslim school."

Obama said he was drawn to Christ after college while working with black churches on inner-city projects. Soon he knelt "beneath the cross" at one of them, he said in a recent speech, and "embraced Christ." If he were Muslim, this act alone would be punishable by death.

Trouble is, Obama embraced more than Christ when he answered the altar call 20 years ago at the Trinity United Church of Christ in Southside Chicago. The 8,000-member church describes itself as "unashamedly black" and holds classes in "African-centered Bible study." He also pledged to honor something called the "Black Value System," which is a code of nonbiblical ethics written by blacks for blacks.

This is what should give American voters pause.

According to its Web site, Trinity puts the "black community" first. Black members are encouraged to pursue education and skills exclusively to advance their community, and allocate their money exclusively to support "black institutions" and black leaders.

In short, it preaches from the gospel of blackness and black power. There's little room for white Christians at Obama's church. It disavows the pursuit of "middleclassness" — code for whiteness — arguing that middleclassness is a conspiracy by white leaders to keep talented African-Americans "captives."

Obama, meanwhile, has been getting in touch with his African roots. He recently visited relatives in Kenya for the first time, and dropped the nickname Barry for the more African-sounding Barack.

"I believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change," he recently asserted. He said his faith has also led him to question "the idolatry of the free market." This reflects Trinity church doctrine that no African-American can really rise to the top echelons of a "racist, competitive" white society on merit.

Obama, in turn, calls the dashiki-wearing minister of this militantly black church his "spiritual adviser" and mentor. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright said of Obama and his other congregants: "We are an African people, and remain true to our native land, the mother continent." He wants health care for all and more housing for the poor, and calls those who voted for President Bush (and his tax cuts) "stupid."

Do such beliefs translate into a political agenda tailored to African-Americans? Would Obama, despite his agreeably race-neutral and nonthreatening public persona, govern and petition on behalf of one group and not necessarily for the greater good of the country?

White House challengers such as Clinton think Obama's childhood brushes with Islam will make Americans nervous. But it's his adult conversion to black nationalism and socialism that makes this otherwise attractive minority candidate unfortunately so unattractive.

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bullshit......

the main reason he is running is to take votes away from H. Clinton
no other reason.

The Republicians set this shit up from the get go. They are trying to split the Democratic votes

Don't you ever stop blaming the Republicans. That is such a dumb ass conclusion. Why would the Republicans want him out when he can take votes away from Clinton. See you don't know much about politics or statistics. You are acting too much like the stupid stereotypical black Democrat who blames the Republicans for everything and the Democrats are anointed by God and does nothing that's faulty.
 
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Robert Greenwald's Brave New Films has released Fox Attacks Obama. The short video exposes Fox News' repeated attempts to discredit Presidential hopeful Barack Obama.

Watch here to see Fox anchors misrepresent Obama's education and the implications of his middle name, and focus on his smoking habit.

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If Bill and Hillary Clinton were the stars of a reality TV show, it would be a weekly series called ''The Connivers.'' The Clintons, the most powerful of power couples, are always scheming at something, and they're good at it.
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Their latest project is to contrive ways to knock Barack Obama off his white horse and muddy him up a little. A lot, actually.

Most of the analyses after last week's dust-up over David Geffen's comments to Maureen Dowd have focused on whether the Clintons succeeded in tarnishing the junior senator from Illinois. What I found interesting was that no one questioned whether the Clintons
would be willing to get down in the muck and start flinging it around.
That was a given.

When Senator Obama talks about bringing a new kind of politics to the national scene, he's talking about something that would differ radically from the relentlessly vicious, sleazy, mendacious politics that have plagued the country throughout the Bush-Clinton years. Whether he can pull that off is an open question. But there's no doubt the Clintons want to stop him from succeeding.

Senator Obama has come riding out of the wilderness (all right, Chicago) to stand between the Clintons and their dream of returning to the White House and resuming what they will always see as the glory years of the 1990s.

He hurts Senator Clinton in myriad ways. In all the uproar over Mr. Geffen's comments, hardly anyone has said they were wildly off the mark. There would be no Obama phenomenon if an awful lot of people weren't fed up with just the sort of mean-spirited, take-no-prisoners politics that the Clintons and the Bush crowd represent. Senator Obama -- at least for the time being -- is an extremely attractive alternative.

Right behind that as a factor is the distinct possibility that Mr. Obama will ride off with the black vote, without which the Clintons are doomed. Those who joked that Bill Clinton was the first black president are now confronted with someone who might be the real deal.

Senator Obama is also much freer to take fresh stands on the issues. His camp has been delighted, for example, to watch Senator Clinton twist herself into a pretzel on Iraq. From day care to health care to trade and beyond, Mr. Obama is free to offer something new. He's not tied to the Clinton experience, the Clintonian way of viewing the world.

And, finally, this campaign is not the be-all and end-all for Senator Obama. More easily than the Clintons, he can afford to make mistakes. He does not have to win this election. He can fight another day. In the absence of any catastrophic misstep, he could be selected as a vice-presidential candidate this time around. (It's not too hard to imagine a John Edwards-Barack Obama pairing.) He can run again for president four years from now, or eight years from now.

His future, as Yogi might have said, is all in front of him.

The Clintons were fresh once. I remember the exhilarating bus tour they took with Al and Tipper Gore right after Bill Clinton won the Democratic presidential nomination in the summer of 1992. There was a spontaneous quality to that tour and a sense that these four young leaders represented a new dawn of American politics.

Almost 15 years later, Hillary Clinton has to fight the perception that she is chasing yesterday's dawn. She has the benefit of universal name recognition, uniformly high poll numbers and trainloads of campaign cash. But she still gives the impression that she's riding the political high wire with the mixed blessing of Bill Clinton planted firmly on her shoulders.

It's ironic that the first woman with a real shot at the presidency comes off not as a compelling underdog but as the powerful front-runner at the controls of a ruthless political machine.

We'll have to wait and see whether Senator Obama is really offering a new, more hopeful brand of national politics. But here's a bit of unsolicited advice for a candidate making his first foray into the crucible of presidential politics:

Don't listen to those who tell you not to fight back against the Clintons. You will not become president if you allow yourself to become their punching bag. Keep in mind the Swift-boating of John Kerry. Raising politics to a higher level does not mean leaving oneself defenseless.
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