Texas Has The Highest Uninsured Rate In The Nation

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source: Reuters

Healthcare reform looms large in Texas

Thu Jul 30, 2009

HOUSTON (Reuters) - At Ben Taub General Hospital in the rich U.S. oil hub of Houston, 52 people wait in a holding room designed for 26, in beds crammed so close together that patients can touch one another.

"They can't even go to a doctor, most of these people," because they lack health insurance, said Angela Siler Fisher, an associate medical director there. "We are their doctor."

The Texas Medical Center -- which is the size of Chicago's downtown Loop and has its own distinct skyline -- draws patients from around the world to its private rooms and specialized, cutting-edge treatments.

Houston, the fourth-largest American city, is a case study in the extremes of the U.S. healthcare system.

It boasts the immense medical center that offers top-notch care at its 13 hospitals, but also has a higher ratio of uninsured patients than any major U.S. city: about 30 percent. Cancer patients can get advanced radiation treatment, yet others need an emergency room just to fill a prescription.

"We've got wonderful access to high-technology procedures -- the best around -- if you are insured," said Guy Clifton, neurosurgery professor at the University of Texas Health Science Center.

President Barack Obama's top domestic priority is to overhaul the U.S. healthcare system and expand coverage to most of the 46 million uninsured Americans. That would mean nearly 6 million Texans, including the one in six U.S. uninsured children who live there, could get health insurance for the first time if the plan is enacted.

The president's $1 trillion healthcare reform bill faces opposition in Congress, as well as in Texas, which has the highest uninsured rate in the nation - about 25 percent. Polls show many Americans are skeptical it will succeed.

While debate rages on, the problems remain.

EXPENSIVE SAFETY NET

In recent years, the emergency room at Ben Taub has become the safety net for the nearly one in three people -- or 1.7 million -- in the Houston area who lack health insurance.

The hospital's holding room is where the "less sick" wait to see doctors. On any given day, patients could include diabetics waiting for dialysis, the mentally ill seeking psychiatric medicines and women with complications from pregnancy. The room is almost always packed.

"You see this guy sitting in a gown in his boxers?" said Fisher, associate medical director of Ben Taub's emergency room. "That's the level of privacy."

Uninsured patients are a huge financial burden for the U.S. healthcare system. They accounted for nearly 20 percent of 120 million U.S. emergency room visits in 2006, the most recent year tracked by the U.S. government.

While public emergency rooms are legally bound to care for critically ill patients, emergency treatment is expensive -- especially when you factor in ailments that could have been avoided with proper primary care.

Even without national action, several U.S. states are moving toward universal health coverage on their own -- including Connecticut, Vermont, Maine and Massachusetts.

But comprehensive coverage is unlikely to come to Texas without federal action. Texas Gov. Rick Perry opposes what he calls "Obamacare" as a federal intrusion on his state's right to set healthcare priorities.

In the meantime, local officials have no choice but to seek their own solutions.

Houston's Harris County Hospital District -- which operates the largest public primary health care network in Texas -- has built community clinics to relieve pressure on its crowded emergency rooms. The clinics are open to the uninsured and others who can't foot the bill for their treatment.

"We are already the model for health reform," said David Lopez, the district's chief executive officer. "Our incentive is to integrate to provide care at a reasonable cost."

PLAYING CATCHUP

The county is opening two new health clinics this year that will provide primary care to 137,000 people annually.

The additions will bring the its facilities to 13 community healthcare centers, 13 clinics in homeless shelters and eight in public schools, in addition to three hospitals.

In May, it opened the gleaming 66,000-square-foot (6,000 square meter) El Franco Lee Health Center in a densely populated area with a high percentage of Latinos and immigrants from China and Vietnam.

The center offers an array of services including prenatal, psychiatry, podiatry, dental care, optometry and radiology.

"We're catching up with a lot of unmet demand," said center director Ricci Sanchez. "A lot of them were crowding the emergency rooms. A lot of them were not seeking care at all."

Houston's economy has been resilient through the U.S. recession, with the help of record oil prices last year, a boon to energy companies like ConocoPhillips headquartered there.

But that prosperity has not trickled down to working class Texans or the illegal immigrants who make up about 8 percent of the state's workforce, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

Some Texans point to illegal immigrants -- Texas has the second-highest undocumented population next to California -- as the main reason behind crowded emergency rooms and soaring costs. But Lopez said the facts don't support that. He cited a study that found undocumented patients accounted for 10 percent of his hospital district's annual $1.1 billion budget.

Health officials blame soaring costs partly on the lack of primary care. The district pays $174 per patient visit in its clinics, versus $11,700 for an average 6-day hospital stay.

"These clinics easily save our hospital system millions of dollars a year in costs," said John Martinez, a spokesman for the hospital district. Overall savings are hard to estimate but the health centers provide patients with a "medical home."

"The cost of taking care of them is a lot more efficient than waiting for them to get sick and admitting them to the hospital," Martinez said.

In Ohio last week, Obama touted the Cleveland Clinic as a model for the kind of low-cost, high-quality care he wants to offer through his 10-year plan to create a government-run insurance program to compete with private insurers.

Harris County's clinic-building effort is "exactly the right move," and statistics indicate that such efforts have spurred a decline in emergency room usage, said Clifton, who has studied the politics of health policy in Washington.

"To make ERs work and primary care work you have to get them covered," he said. "But if we don't deal with cost, and we are not dealing with costs, this is going to end very badly."
 
not one mention on illegal aliens raising the rate. just FYI In 2007, the foreign born represented 16.0 percent of Texas' total population. (http://www.migrationinformation.org/DataHub/state.cfm?ID=TX) now this does not include illegals.

but in 2005, "the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our gross state product of $17.7 billion. Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received. However, local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not paid for by the state."

-- Carole Keeton Strayhorn, Texas Comptroller
(http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/)
Mind you that was in 2005 not current.

maybe that's why the uninsured rate is so high in TX b/c illegals may also be included in this number.
 
not one mention on illegal aliens raising the rate. just FYI In 2007, the foreign born represented 16.0 percent of Texas' total population. (http://www.migrationinformation.org/DataHub/state.cfm?ID=TX) now this does not include illegals.

but in 2005, "the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our gross state product of $17.7 billion. Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received. However, local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not paid for by the state."

-- Carole Keeton Strayhorn, Texas Comptroller
(http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/)
Mind you that was in 2005 not current.

maybe that's why the uninsured rate is so high in TX b/c illegals may also be included in this number.

Since when are illegals volunteering for polls?
 
I find it funny that you didn't mention the fact that Texas has some of the best hospitals in the country.

Other than that, I really don't care about this thread.

I'm still against Barack Vagina's healthcare plan...
 
I find it funny that you didn't mention the fact that Texas has some of the best hospitals in the country.

Other than that, I really don't care about this thread.

I'm still against Barack Vagina's healthcare plan...

If the insurance companies allow you to use them.

Who gives a rats ass what you are for. You are not objective.
 
If the insurance companies allow you to use them.

Who gives a rats ass what you are for. You are not objective.

Of course I'm not going to be objective towards Obamacare. I'm a conservative, wtf do you expect?

I have Aetna, so I'm straight anyway...
 
Of course I'm not going to be objective towards Obamacare. I'm a conservative, wtf do you expect?

I have Aetna, so I'm straight anyway...

I'm a conservative, wtf do you expect?

Absolutely nothing, until your programmed code is uploaded to your brain once a week. Do you plan to disrupt any town hall meetings this month?
 
idk Thought, quite a few Dems are joinin these shout-downs. People are unhappy. The Lloyd Doggett Town Hall should help you understand the displeasure

quite a few Dems are joinin these shout-downs.

How do you know they are Dems?

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source: Washington Post

Filibuster Nation

By Harold Meyerson
Wednesday, August 5, 2009

Judging by the first public meetings on health-care reform that members of Congress have begun convening in their districts, America is in Second Coming time, in the William Butler Yeats sense. The best may or may not lack all conviction, as Yeats wrote in his classic poem, but the worst are sure as hell full of passionate intensity.

Last weekend, right-wing Republicans stormed a number of such meetings across the country, shouting down members of the House and, in Philadelphia, Sen. Arlen Specter and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. In Austin, protesters blocked Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett's car and made it impossible for him to talk to constituents about such matters as appointments to military academies.

What's particularly curious about these two protests is that they took place on very liberal turf -- Philadelphia and Austin -- yet the local liberals and people of color seemed absent. Philadelphia is a heavily African American city, yet one strains to see any blacks among the protesters on the YouTube clips. The activists who have been whipped into a frenzy, and who have dominated the recess meetings so far, appear to be conservative whites.

Part of this imbalance is the result of the inherent difficulty in winning universal health insurance in a nation where five out of six Americans are already insured, however imperfectly and expensively. Securing an integrated national system may be essential to slowing the spiraling costs that make us less competitive than other nations, and securing a universal system may be a moral imperative, but neither is a cause that has sent millions into the streets. As yet, such institutional supporters of health-care reform as the unions and Obama's own legions aren't turning out crowds to match the right at the town meetings.

The right, by contrast, seems perpetually fired up, and not just on health care. At a town meeting last month, Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) was booed and heckled when he wouldn't concur with a noisy "birther" who argued that President Obama had been born in Kenya. This bit of social psychosis is limited almost entirely to Republicans: 77 percent of Americans, according to one recent poll, believe that Obama was born in the USA, but only 42 percent of Republicans do.

When future historians look back at this passage in our nation's history, I suspect they'll conclude that this Obama-isn't-American nuttiness refracted the insecurities and, in some cases, the hatred that a portion of conservative white America felt about having a black president and about the transformation of what many thought of as their white nation into a genuinely multiracial republic. But whatever the reasons, a mobilized minority is making a very plausible play to thwart a demobilized majority.

Meanwhile, that's exactly what's happening in Congress. Indeed, the very rules of the Senate empower mobilized minorities over majorities even when those majorities are mobilized, too. When the filibuster is employed, it takes 60 percent of the Senate, not 50 percent plus one, to enact legislation.

The rise of the filibuster should give constitutional originalists some pause. When the Senate first convened in 1789, just months after the Constitution was ratified, its rules allowed for calling the question (ending debate) by a simple majority vote. The Constitution had taken care to specify five kinds of issues that did require a two-thirds supermajority: treaty ratifications, expulsions of members, impeachments, the override of presidential vetoes and constitutional amendments. The Senate adhered to its simple majority rule for question-calling until 1806, when the rule lapsed because it seemed unnecessary: Scarcely any votes to call a question had been taken in the 17 years of the Senate's existence.

With that, the possibility of the filibuster was born, but filibusters didn't really come into use until Southern senators began using the maneuver to attempt to block civil rights legislation of the 1950s and '60s. They only became routine in the past few years, as the minority party in the Senate -- the Democrats until 2006, and the Republicans since -- sought to block legislation that had majority support but not the backing of a supermajority. In the 2007-08 session of Congress, Republicans forced 112 cloture votes, nearly doubling the Democrats' record when they were in the minority.

Simply put, that number means that the Senate now runs by minority rule. A more corrosive attack on the first principle of democracy, that of majority rule, is hard to conceive. The increasingly routine use of the filibuster stymies the efficacy of government (in itself a conservative objective) and negates the consequences of elections.

But minority rule is what today's Republicans are all about. Hence we see disruption in the districts and stagnation in the Senate. When and whether the majority will bestir itself to reestablish democracy's first principle is anybody's guess. Abolishing the filibuster would be a good start -- and perhaps a necessary step to enact to big changes like health reform.
 
From what I hear Austin is a the most-liberal area in TX. Maybe AAA can chime in since he's in TX. I'm considering not posting for a while cause these moves are not gonna end pretty.

From the YouTube page:

Rep Doggett met with constituents outside a grocery store in south Austin regarding the health care bill. Apparently the event was mostly advertised in liberal leaning local publications. He did not bring a megaphone, so hearing what he had to say was difficult. When he started making the move to leave, the crowd erupted chanting “Just say no!” His worker got the car ready to shuttle him away but the crowd surrounded it and it took a while for him to get out of the parking lot. The whole time, the “Just say no!” chant continued. It probably won’t matter - from his facial expression, body language, and what was heard to come out of his mouth, he’s for the the health care bill in its present form and has no openness to change on that.
 
From what I hear Austin is a the most-liberal area in TX. Maybe AAA can chime in since he's in TX. I'm considering not posting for a while cause these moves are not gonna end pretty.

From the YouTube page:

Rep Doggett met with constituents outside a grocery store in south Austin regarding the health care bill. Apparently the event was mostly advertised in liberal leaning local publications. He did not bring a megaphone, so hearing what he had to say was difficult. When he started making the move to leave, the crowd erupted chanting “Just say no!” His worker got the car ready to shuttle him away but the crowd surrounded it and it took a while for him to get out of the parking lot. The whole time, the “Just say no!” chant continued. It probably won’t matter - from his facial expression, body language, and what was heard to come out of his mouth, he’s for the the health care bill in its present form and has no openness to change on that.

Austin is the most liberal city, however, the surrounding area is the more conservative area in the state. University of Texas is a liberal arts school, so it makes sense. Because Austin is the most liberal city in Texas, doesn't mean its San Fransisco.
 
Austin is the most liberal city . . . University of Texas is a liberal arts school, so it makes sense.


[in other words: Liberal Arts School <font size="4">=</font size> Liberal City]

:smh: :smh: :smh:

I tried to warn you about the labels.

Now you've done it.

The next time you consider an investment, consider . . .


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From what I hear Austin is a the most-liberal area in TX. Maybe AAA can chime in since he's in TX. I'm considering not posting for a while cause these moves are not gonna end pretty.

From the YouTube page:

Rep Doggett met with constituents outside a grocery store in south Austin regarding the health care bill. Apparently the event was mostly advertised in liberal leaning local publications. He did not bring a megaphone, so hearing what he had to say was difficult. When he started making the move to leave, the crowd erupted chanting “Just say no!” His worker got the car ready to shuttle him away but the crowd surrounded it and it took a while for him to get out of the parking lot. The whole time, the “Just say no!” chant continued. It probably won’t matter - from his facial expression, body language, and what was heard to come out of his mouth, he’s for the the health care bill in its present form and has no openness to change on that.

Apparently the event was mostly advertised in liberal leaning local publications.

I find this hard to believe. This was a town hall meeting from the local congressman. Those people were not interested in having a dialog, their goal was to intimidate and rattle. From what I read, Austin is a liberal bastion in a sea of Texas right wingers. Austin is also, one of the most well educated, wealthy and progressive cities in Texas, if not the entire USA. I got an email notice that my congressman, Hank Johnson will be having a town hall meeting at one of the local community colleges. It was also advertised in the local media, so there is no excuse that anyone has been excluding from attending, liberal or conservative! I will be there. We shall see if the right wing, tea baggers try and “bum rush” this town hall meeting.
 
Austin is the most liberal city, however, the surrounding area is the more conservative area in the state. University of Texas is a liberal arts school, so it makes sense. Because Austin is the most liberal city in Texas, doesn't mean its San Fransisco.

University of Texas is a liberal arts school, so it makes sense. Because Austin is the most liberal city in Texas, doesn't mean its San Fransisco.

The University of Texas at Austin is not just a liberal arts school, but one of the top engineering and laws schools, as well as one of the largest campuses in the nation. You are stuck on stupid with that word, “liberal.”
 
I find this hard to believe. This was a town hall meeting from the local congressman. Those people were not interested in having a dialog, their goal was to intimidate and rattle. From what I read, Austin is a liberal bastion in a sea of Texas right wingers. Austin is also, one of the most well educated, wealthy and progressive cities in Texas, if not the entire USA. I got an email notice that my congressman, Hank Johnson will be having a town hall meeting at one of the local community colleges. It was also advertised in the local media, so there is no excuse that anyone has been excluding from attending, liberal or conservative! I will be there. We shall see if the right wing, tea baggers try and “bum rush” this town hall meeting.

hard to believe? Has it occured to you that, the more people read into this bill, the more they don't like it. People are using their freedom of speech. So please, go see Hank Johnson so you can witness the displeasure first-hand.

So only people on the right feel they are taxed too much?

On a side note, I support Ms. McKinney to this day, I guess the Dem. Leadership was scared of the truth she was exposing and had her removed :smh:
 
The University of Texas at Austin is not just a liberal arts school, but one of the top engineering and laws schools, as well as one of the largest campuses in the nation. You are stuck on stupid with that word, “liberal.”

I think you stuck on stupid about politics

I don't mean Liberal in the political sense. University of Texas is one of the top film schools in the nation *Quinton T can vouch for that*. I'm sorry, a film school will have a more left leaning student body then, lets say, a school like Texas A&M. Trust me, thought, I know THAT school better than you can even think.
 
hard to believe? Has it occured to you that, the more people read into this bill, the more they don't like it. People are using their freedom of speech. So please, go see Hank Johnson so you can witness the displeasure first-hand.

So only people on the right feel they are taxed too much?

On a side note, I support Ms. McKinney to this day, I guess the Dem. Leadership was scared of the truth she was exposing and had her removed :smh:

It's hard for him to believe because no one is suppose to go against Barack Vagina's plan, remember?
 
:smh: :smh: :smh:

I tried to warn you about the labels.

Now you've done it.

The next time you consider an investment, consider . . .


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que, seriously.......

This is how I'm going to put it then.... Austin is the least CONSERVATIVE place in Texas. Is that better? Since when the word "liberal" is a bad word?

:smh:
 
Where does it say 'estimated?' Post the paragraph, then we will go from there.

1st off, keep it up AAA the 'non-conservatives' need more talking points from Boxer, Pelosi, and PMSNBC on the protests.


Now to you thoughtone, it says 'estimated' in my 2nd paragraph, 1st line of my 1st post. To make it easy on you...

but in 2005, "the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our gross state product of $17.7 billion. Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received. However, local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not paid for by the state."

I hope this clears up any confusion.
 
que, seriously.......

This is how I'm going to put it then.... Austin is the least CONSERVATIVE place in Texas. Is that better? Since when the word "liberal" is a bad word?

:smh:

AAA, seriously.

Liberal Arts has nothing to do with the term "Liberal" as you understand it.

See, Meriam Websters:

Liberal Arts


Main Entry: liberal arts
Function: noun plural
Date: 14th century

1 : the medieval studies comprising the trivium and quadrivium

2 : college or university studies (as language, philosophy, literature, abstract science) intended to provide chiefly general knowledge and to develop general intellectual capacities (as reason and judgment) as opposed to professional or vocational skills

:lol:
 
AAA, seriously.

Liberal Arts has nothing to do with the term "Liberal" as you understand it.

See, Meriam Websters:

Liberal Arts


Main Entry: liberal arts
Function: noun plural
Date: 14th century

1 : the medieval studies comprising the trivium and quadrivium

2 : college or university studies (as language, philosophy, literature, abstract science) intended to provide chiefly general knowledge and to develop general intellectual capacities (as reason and judgment) as opposed to professional or vocational skills

:lol:

I know what liberal arts is first of all. Secondly, are you aware that majority of the students that major in liberal arts tend to have liberal political leanings?
 
I know what liberal arts is first of all. Secondly, are you aware that majority of the students that major in liberal arts tend to have liberal political leanings?
Mayne, where you get this logic from ??? LOL

No, I don't know that the majority of students at liberal arts schools are liberal. Can you please provide some evidence ? ? ?

I attended a well-to-do private liberal arts Jesuit college and the overwhelming majority, by my unscientific guesstimation, were good, honest, love-to-fuck conservatives :D

QueEx
 
hard to believe? Has it occured to you that, the more people read into this bill, the more they don't like it. People are using their freedom of speech. So please, go see Hank Johnson so you can witness the displeasure first-hand.

So only people on the right feel they are taxed too much?

On a side note, I support Ms. McKinney to this day, I guess the Dem. Leadership was scared of the truth she was exposing and had her removed :smh:

So only people on the right feel they are taxed too much?

People on the right only make an issue of it when the Democrats are in power. At the end of Clinton's term the budget was balanced and the debt was being pay down.

It wasn't the Democratic leadership that caused McKinney to lose her seat, it was the Black folks that didn't come out and vote for her in the re-election. The so called democratic leadership was never enthusiastic for her. The so called democratic leadership at that time was composed of mostly Blue Dogs. She and Kucinich were labeled as kooks. Despite this, she won a seat one term, then lost it and then won it back again. I canvassed for her, but Black folk sat their asses at home the last time around while the whites came out in big numbers against her.
 
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AAA, seriously.

Liberal Arts has nothing to do with the term "Liberal" as you understand it.

See, Meriam Websters:

Liberal Arts


Main Entry: liberal arts
Function: noun plural
Date: 14th century

1 : the medieval studies comprising the trivium and quadrivium

2 : college or university studies (as language, philosophy, literature, abstract science) intended to provide chiefly general knowledge and to develop general intellectual capacities (as reason and judgment) as opposed to professional or vocational skills

:lol:

QueEx when will you learn to stop wasting your time trying to educate him. Falwell's Liberty University in Virginia is arguably the most “conservative” University in the USA and they are exclusively a "liberal arts" school. It's futile.
 
People on the right only make an issue of it when the Democrats are in power. At the end of Clinton's term the budget was balanced and the debt was being pay down.

No it wasn't, the debt wasn't being paid down

True, Clinton balanced the budget but it is only due to some Goldman S*chs numbers manipulation (credit Larry Summers 4 the pimpin) The reason that thought is a myth (no pun intended) is because the National Debt has increased every year since 1957. How is balancing the budget an accomplishment if the National continues to increase. Numbers don't lie, the Right & Left do!

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
 
I think you stuck on stupid about politics

I don't mean Liberal in the political sense. University of Texas is one of the top film schools in the nation *Quinton T can vouch for that*. I'm sorry, a film school will have a more left leaning student body then, lets say, a school like Texas A&M. Trust me, thought, I know THAT school better than you can even think.

I'm sorry, a film school will have a more left leaning student body then, lets say, a school like Texas A&M.

That’s is one of the dumbest pieces of logic I have ever heard of. Texas A&M is one of the most military based public universities in the US. That’s why they are more “conservative” than UT. But what does this have to do with health care?
 
1st off, keep it up AAA the 'non-conservatives' need more talking points from Boxer, Pelosi, and PMSNBC on the protests.


Now to you thoughtone, it says 'estimated' in my 2nd paragraph, 1st line of my 1st post. To make it easy on you...

but in 2005, "the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our gross state product of $17.7 billion. Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received. However, local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not paid for by the state."

I hope this clears up any confusion.

So that “estimate” renders your argument moot. Because "maybe" and "may" are also “estimates”.

maybe that's why the uninsured rate is so high in TX b/c illegals may also be included in this number
 
No it wasn't, the debt wasn't being paid down

True, Clinton balanced the budget but it is only due to some Goldman S*chs numbers manipulation (credit Larry Summers 4 the pimpin) The reason that thought is a myth (no pun intended) is because the National Debt has increased every year since 1957. How is balancing the budget an accomplishment if the National continues to increase. Numbers don't lie, the Right & Left do!

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

I agree the economy has been manipulated by the corporations, I have been trying to tell you this! The rise in debt had been relatively flat from about the end of World War 2 (1945) until the 1980s, then it shot up dramatically during the 1980s, slowed down in the 1990s and then rose dramatically again around 2001. We can discuss why these events happened.

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That’s is one of the dumbest pieces of logic I have ever heard of. Texas A&M is one of the most military based public universities in the US. That’s why they are more “conservative” than UT. But what does this have to do with health care?

UT is considered more liberal than most of the other schools in the state. The only one I can think of that's more liberal than UT would have to be Texas Women's for obvious reasons.

In regards to health care, didn't you mention something about Austin being liberal?
 
UT is considered more liberal than most of the other schools in the state. The only one I can think of that's more liberal than UT would have to be Texas Women's for obvious reasons.

In regards to health care, didn't you mention something about Austin being liberal?

The only one I can think of that's more liberal than UT would have to be Texas Women's for obvious reasons.

Women tend to be more liberal then men because they can actually die from giving birth, where as men can hit it and run. Thus the majority of women's stance on such so called "liberal" issues as abortion rights.
 
Women tend to be more liberal then men because they can actually die from giving birth, where as men can hit it and run. Thus the majority of women's stance on such so called "liberal" issues as abortion rights.

Really, so that's the reason?

(adds a hint of sarcasm)
 
Of course I'm not going to be objective towards Obamacare. I'm a conservative, wtf do you expect?

I have Aetna, so I'm straight anyway...


:smh::smh: I had a patient who had a tear in her heart that would eventually kill her. Guess what she had Aetna:angry:, they classified her diagnosis as a type b dissection :eek: meaning that is was to be medically treated.:rolleyes: She died before she left the hospital b/c Aetna said it was a type "b" as opposed to a type "A" dignosis which meant it would of be surgically treated. You conservative are blind till someone in your family dies b/c of political views. By the way she was a 40 year old lady with 2 kids.:(
 
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