TEBOW 10/21 124 2 TDs 0 INTs, 117 Yards Rushing - Broncos 38 - Raiders 24 - LOL!

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Not to say he's ready for MVP consideration, but ALL YOU ARM CHAIR experts who talk ALL THAT SHIT, now all of a sudden, your asses have mittens on and don't have shit to say/type!!!! Where yall at!?!?!? He didn't put up big numbers today, but he for damn sure looked a hell of a lot better, AND THEY BEAT A TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD!!!!! ON THE FUCKING ROAD!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Um, the Raiders defense is among the worst in the league...similar to the Dolphins defense...

Let's see him do that against the Jets, Bears, and Chargers...
 
against a raider squad whose starting QB hadn't played a game in how long?

has 3 ints in each of his games as a raider?

no darren mcfadden?

not to mention willis mcgahee made the raiders d look like all kinds of crap
 
No doubt. And with team full of studs and all pros Tebow should have won that game! You know... him having the superior team and all.. :rolleyes:
 
No doubt. And with team full of studs and all pros Tebow should have won that game! You know... him having the superior team and all.. :rolleyes:

yeah, because those 10 completions FOR THE ENTIRE GAME were the difference in the game. tim tebow had WAY more impact than willis mcgahee in the second half AND down the stretch. :rolleyes:

but i guess some people will give credit to ANYONE other than those who deserve it.
 
yeah, because those 10 completions FOR THE ENTIRE GAME were the difference in the game. tim tebow had WAY more impact than willis mcgahee in the second half AND down the stretch. :rolleyes:

but i guess some people will give credit to ANYONE other than those who deserve it.

Nah, it was running the option more, and contributing 117 rushing yards that contributed! No on said no one else deserved any credit but they wouldn't have won the game if he didn't have the game he did either!!! It must eat you clowns up that you had to go all week with nothing sustainably bad to say about his last performance!!! :lol:
 
It must eat you clowns up that you had to go all week with nothing sustainably bad to say about his last performance!!! :lol:

:confused:

tim tebow's performance speaks itself, i would think.

you say some have nothing bad to say about his last performance, but what does that say about the person who starts a thread to celebrate that same performance?

:lol:
 
:confused:

tim tebow's performance speaks itself, i would think.

you say some have nothing bad to say about his last performance, but what does that say about the person who starts a thread to celebrate that same performance?

:lol:

I celebrate it because he found a way to help his team win in his element, and didn't cause them to lose!!! So to me, this was thread worthy! He's is not going to put of Brees, Brady or Rodgers numbers, but he's not that type of player. All of them have systems around them to maximize what they do best, and if Tebow is put in a system to maximize what he does best, he will be a different type of player with a different type of impact! So, what it says about the person who started this thread is that he is not so one dimensional in his ability to assess a performance, that he has tunnel vision and rates a player solely on one facet of the position... It's called creative evaluation... but I guess you are to slow to understand that concept... :smh:
 
If I'm not mistaken, Cranrab you are the same Dude who has a man crush on Kobe, even though he's won 5 chips right :confused: Your opinions make sense now... :smh:
 
If I'm not mistaken, Cranrab you are the same Dude who has a man crush on Kobe, even though he's won 5 chips right :confused: Your opinions make sense now... :smh:

i have the man crush on tobe, though you brought him up in a tim tebow thread?

:lol:

BTW, point out my "opinions" on tim tebow.

that's right. you can't. because you made them up in your head. typical stan.

but here is my opinion of tim tebow going forward: right now he stinks. he doesn't possess the skills (technical or mental) that other rookies at his position have exhibited. tim tebow isn't a better QB than kyle orton. but a losing team appeased stupid fans. nothing new there.

who knows what his future holds? maybe tim tebow can become a decent (or better) QB. but right now he sucks. too bad fan boy admirers such as yourselves can't be honest enough to admit it.
 
right now he stinks. he doesn't possess the skills (technical or mental) that other rookies at his position have exhibited.

Not even close...funny thing is, some people saw this while he was in high school. He was just bigger than everybody then.

Back when he was getting recruited, Florida had 2 other QBs pretty much signed when Tebow was a senior in HS and a freshman at UF. Who were those QBs? Colt McCoy and Cam Newton...

Look at what those two have done in the league (and in college for that matter)...

What McDaniels did two years ago was the biggest mistake that the franchise has made. Tebow definitely was not first (or second) round pick material. Now Elway is forced to play him because of the contract he has. Too bad, I don't think they can trade him either...
 
Not even close...funny thing is, some people saw this while he was in high school. He was just bigger than everybody then.

Back when he was getting recruited, Florida had 2 other QBs pretty much signed when Tebow was a senior in HS and a freshman at UF. Who were those QBs? Colt McCoy and Cam Newton...

Look at what those two have done in the league (and in college for that matter)...

What McDaniels did two years ago was the biggest mistake that the franchise has made. Tebow definitely was not first (or second) round pick material. Now Elway is forced to play him because of the contract he has. Too bad, I don't think they can trade him either...

you know?

but the fan boys caught feelings and want to pretend he's doing something.

kyle orton got sacked fewer times in 4 games than tim tebow did in 2.

kyle orton played against first place teams like the bengals and the packers.

what's the best tim tebow played thus far? the lions without jahvid best and got rolled on.

has tim tebow had a game where he's completed 50% (or more) of his passes this season? NO.

damn fan boys.
 
To channel rush limbaugh.

They want a white Mike Vick that is belligerent with his faith. Its why Tebow is getting more attention and press than Cam Newton. The only people I see talking about Cam are the guys in Fantasy leagues who are riding with him as their QB1. The media hasn't mentioned anything about Cam since he proved he's an NFL talent. Tebow, who STILL hasn't shown he can win in a pro-style offense is being propped up when he should be a 3rd string QB.
 
after the broncos last victory i thought this would be a great time to revisit this thread.

did tim tebow kick a 59 yard field goal? did tim tebow kick a 51 yard field goal?

did tim tebow make marion barber run out of bounds? did tim tebow make marion barber fumble in OT?

but tim tebow got the W, right?

:rolleyes:
 
after the broncos last victory i thought this would be a great time to revisit this thread.

did tim tebow kick a 59 yard field goal? did tim tebow kick a 51 yard field goal?

did tim tebow make marion barber run out of bounds? did tim tebow make marion barber fumble in OT?

but tim tebow got the W, right?

:rolleyes:

All that needs to be said... :lol:

Tebow joining LeBron and Tiger as stars moving the sports needle

As the Broncos beat reporter for the Denver Post, Lindsay Jones admits her job description has become "all Tim Tebow, all the time." But over the past two months, Jones has noticed that the Tebow phenomenon has filtered outside her city limits. As she's traveled to cover the Broncos on the road, the reporter says the lead feature in Sunday sports sections is often the Denver quarterback, and that Tebow is a recurring and vibrant subject on the sports-talk debate airwaves as well.

Clearly, the Broncos quarterback is moving the sports needle nationally. But by how much, and who else is doing likewise? To get an answer we sought advice from a number of sources, including those in sports marketing, television and research.

Perhaps the most remarkable finding is that Tebow now rates alongside such celebrities as Jennifer Aniston, Lady Gaga, Tom Hanks, Will Smith and Taylor Swift when it comes to aspiration (the degree to which consumers feel a celebrity has a life to which they would aspire) and influence (the degree to which consumers believe a celebrity is an influence in today's world).

That's according to The Marketing Arm's Davie-Brown Index (DBI), which measures nearly 3,000 celebrities, including current and retired sports figures, each evaluated by respondents and given a weighted average score across eight attributes -- appeal, aspiration, awareness, endorsement, influence, breakthrough, trendsetter and trust.

Tebow's DBI scores between April 2010 and September 2011 (the last time he was measured) were generally flat. Given his Denver's winning streak and Tebow's remarkable fourth-quarter play over the past eight weeks, SI.com asked The Marketing Arm to provide updated statistics.

Not surprisingly, between September and this week, his scores are up in every category except appeal (it measures consumer likeability of the celebrity), which remains flat.

"Phenomenon is an accurate description for Tim Tebow," said Matt Delzell, a group account director from The Marketing Arm.

Tebow's highest scores are in aspiration, influence, endorsement and trendsetter. The second-year quarterback ranked No. 402 on DBI's Aspiration scale this fall, but has soared to No. 15 as of this writing. He's No. 32 on the influence list (Swift and Gaga are tied for 28th while Hanks is at No.33 and Aniston at No. 38 ), 79th on endorsement (amidst Peyton Manning, Beyonce, Katy Perry, Shaun White, and Clint Eastwood), and among the top 85 trendsetters (on par with George Clooney, Rihanna and Justin Timberlake).

Regarding Trust, Tebow has moved into the top 75 of the DBI Index, which puts him in the same neighborhood as Tony Dungy, Harrison Ford and Mike Krzyzewski. He's ranked 1,050 in awareness, which means he's known by 55 percent of U.S. consumers, according to the DBI. That puts him in the same range as Randy Moss, Steve Young, Sugar Ray Leonard, Phil Jackson and Tony Stewart. (Among current athletes, Tiger Woods ranks No. 1 in awareness followed by Venus Williams, Michael Phelps, Kobe Bryant, Serena Williams, Manning and Michael Vick.)

Delzell said he finds the breakthrough category an interesting metric in relation to television because it can portend upcoming trends. "When you consider the amount of messaging that a human being encounters on a day to day basis, what you really want to find out is who stands out in the crowd," Delzell said. "Who makes an impact? Who do people pay attention to?"

Interestingly, Argentine soccer star Lionel Messi ranks first among current athletes in the breakthrough metric. Tebow sits at No. 260, well behind Drew Brees (No. 3 among current athletes), Manning (No. 4), Aaron Rodgers (5), Troy Polamalu (7), Sidney Crosby (11), Josh Hamilton (14) and Dirk Nowitzki (15).

Those stars have had the benefit of appearing in and excelling in the playoffs, something Tebow is trying hard to replicate. With three games left in the regular season, Denver leads its division and has the inside track on a playoff spot. It also has a dream television ratings matchup this week against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots. CBS will air the Tebow-Brady showdown on Sunday to 79 percent of the nation's homes. It's easily the sexiest matchup on the Week 15 schedule, which is why NBC attempted to flex the game for its Sunday night primetime slot, ultimately getting rebuffed. The Broncos media relations department said the game is the most credentialed regular-season game since Sports Authority Field at Mile High opened in 2001.

Nationally, no sports program illustrates the manner in which Tebow moves the needle more than ESPN2's First Take, which features analyst Skip Bayless, a nearly 60-year-old man, defending the quarterback against handpicked opponents like a self-appointed F. Lee Bailey. But the proselytizing is working. The program's five most-watched shows ever have come in the last two months, and First Take's most-watched program (586,835 viewers) came on Dec. 5, following Denver's 35-32 win over Minnesota.

In early December, ESPN even dedicated an entire afternoon edition of SportsCenter (rebranded as TebowCenter) to the quarterback, and the Friday before the New England game it had Bayless on set in Denver with Broncos fans lining the background. "As people have gotten more in a fever pitch over Tebow, we have ridden the wave," said Norby Williamson, an ESPN executive senior vice president of programming and production.

As to be expected, Tebow's popularity is showing up in social and digital media too. According to Stephen Master, a vice president for the Nielsen company and the head of its sports group, Tebow ranks third in terms of buzz in 2011 about current athletes, trailing only LeBron James and Tiger Woods, but ahead of Aaron Rodgers. That's based on numbers compiled by NM Incite (a joint company of Nielsen and the McKinsey Company), which scans the web looking for any time the person is mentioned in a blog, Twitter post, etc...

Another metric of note is the Nielsen Company's use of "N-Score." It evaluates a player's endorsement potential and gauges the effects of positive and negative news about athletes and sports personalities. While the 2011 rankings are not complete, SI.com asked Nielsen to run some names year-to-date, including Tebow, and the results are: Michael Jordan (682), Manning (262), Jeter (145), Brady (131), Rodgers (119), Manny Pacquiao (76), Tebow (41), Pujols (40), Woods (36), and James (26). Negative activity off the field tends to lower scores, which is why Woods and James moved down in 2011 while Rodgers and Pacquiao went up. In short, the higher the N-score, the higher a sports figure's overall endorsement potential. But an athlete with a low N-score can still move the needle because polarizing figures often draw eyeballs. Masters predicted Olympic athletes will soar up both metrics come the summer of 2012.

As far as which teams move the needle, it's what you'd expect. The Cowboys consistently draw the most interest nationally among NFL teams -- its Thanksgiving Day game against the Dolphins drew 30.9 million viewers, the most-watched television show this fall. The Packers Dec. 4 win over the New York Giants was the most-watched (29.8 million) Sunday telecast this season.

Also worth noting is Rodgers and teammate Clay Matthews now top the list among NFL players in jersey sales (from April 1 to Nov. 29). The Packers also lead the league in team sales, followed by the Steelers, Cowboys, Bears and Patriots. The Lakers, Celtics and Heat all rated well on television last season, and Heat games topped TNT's, ABC's and ESPN's list of most-watched games.

"Clearly when you have franchises that move the needle whether it's the Yankees, Cowboys, Red Sox or Lakers, and then you have signature players that perform on the field as well as produce a level of interest in other areas, there are reasons we do more of Tom Brady and Patriots coverage," said ESPN's Williamson.

Austin Karp, an assistant managing editor of ratings & research for the Sports Business Journal, said it's rare that a niche sport can produce someone who moves the needle for an audience. Karp noted the only tennis pairing that impacted television ratings was when Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal faced each other in a major. The same can be said for Serena versus Venus on the women's side. Karp said if Dale Earnhardt Jr. returned to the winners circle in NASCAR, he would drive ratings for the sport. There are no current athletes who impact television ratings for the MLS and college sports ratings is often dictated by the teams that play rather than individuals. Predictably, college basketball powerhouses such as Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina draw the best ratings nationally. The NCAA tournament as a whole, obviously, moves the needle in March.

"The stories on the field, the emotions of the game, is what ultimately moves the dial," said Turner Sports executive producer Jeff Behnke. "You can say Tim Tebow is moving the dial but is it the thrill of what Tim Tebow is doing with his team and the excitement surrounding how those games are ending moving the dial? It's a combination of all of that. For the NCAA Tournament, fans are watching because of the anticipation of that thrilling moment on the court."

Baseball offers an interesting examination. Regionally, it moves the needle significantly and baseball players can score off the charts in the DBI and N-score when rated locally.

For example, the Phillies dominated ratings more than any other team, with one-tenth of Philadelphia households (a 9.7 local rating, or the percentage of all TV homes in that local market watching) -- the most of any market -- tuned in during regular season to the local market games, according to the Sports Business Daily. The Cardinals (8.9), Brewers (7.9) and Red Sox (7.9) also had strong followings. In terms of total number of households, given population figures, the Yankees were the top team with roughly 323,000 local New York City households tuned in to their 2011 regular season games (and 918,000 households for the playoffs), according to Nielsen and SBD.

For now, Jeter is the only baseball player who scored above 100 on Nielsen's N-score. Masters said the one guy to watch for in the future if he comes back healthy is Nationals pitcher Stephen Strasburg. His first major league start on June 8, 2010 drew 588,000 viewers on the MLB Network, still the most-watched game in the history of that network. Said Masters: "If he comes off the injury and has a Justin Verlander-type season, I think Strasburg could be the guy that breaks through in baseball."

Ultimately, the NFL offseason will bring an end to the intense Tebow coverage, but he's driving audiences for now. "To see Tebow's dramatic rise over a short period of time is pretty rare in the DBI," said Delzell. "You will see that reflected in Olympic athletes next year, so it's not unprecedented. But with Tebow, it's different because this has been a longer shelf life."
 
the only reason shit exists is because of scornful ppl...let the boy either fail or pass on his own...y wish any bad luck on him...we dont know him either way personally
 
the only reason shit exists is because of scornful ppl.

not scornful people, but weak minded individuals who are easily moved by charisma or celebrity.

the thread maker's recent post testifies to that.

one of the worst defenses in the league made tim tebow look pitiful. how?

by making him have to play the QB position. and it was a miserable failure that ended in a blowout loss.
 
Four interceptions. That is all.

4 interceptions, 2 coming in Q4. tebow time!

both of the Q4 INTs were returned for TDs.

another blowout loss.

guess the Ws are hard to come by when your kicker isn't making 59 yard FGs.

:lol:

guess the Ws are hard to come by when your RB isn't saving your ass and you have to be an actual QB.

:lol:

blown out by the biuffalo bills who lost how many consecutive games?
 
this is the honest assessment tebow fans are afraid to acknowledge:

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- In his office, where a wall of windows overlooks the Denver Broncos' practice fields and a horizon of snow-capped mountains, coach John Fox was appreciating the view Monday when his cell phone buzzed with a text.

It was Jake Delhomme, the quarterback who played under Fox during seven seasons together in Carolina, congratulating him on Sunday's win against the Chiefs.

"You're doing it the Foxy way -- I love it!" Delhomme wrote, as recited back by the coach.

"So what exactly is the Foxy way?" I asked.

Fox paused. He smiled. And with the most laid-back, charismatic attitude of any coach in the NFL, he explained it the only way anyone could rationalize a 17-10 win that included just eight passes by quarterback Tim Tebow, against 55 running plays.

"Do whatever the hell it takes," he laughed. "I mean, what the hell? You don't get points for style in this league. Let me tell you something: My man is really good in this offense. You know what I mean?

"If we were trying to run a regular offense, he'd be screwed."

Fox then swung his chair toward the wall to his left, opposite the windows overlooking the mountains. He threw his feet up on his desk, fired up a large mounted television and grabbed a remote designed to shuffle through game tape.

'We can't do that other crap'
For the next 45 minutes, while I watched and listened from the other side of the desk, Fox broke down and explained nearly every offensive play from the past two wins against the Raiders and the Chiefs.

"After the loss to Detroit (a 45-10 blowout), we decided if Tim is going to be our guy, we can't do that other crap," Fox said. "We had to tweak it."

It was after that loss when Fox and the rest of the organization began a two-week transformation that included a change in play-calling. The resulting success in turn led to a change in the attitude toward Tebow Time.

Against the Raiders, Fox said the staff implemented eight new plays, mostly out of the read-option offense that Tebow so successfully mastered at the University of Florida. Then, against the Chiefs, they took it even further, adding the dive (triple) option, which rarely has been used in this generation's NFL.

"Check out 91," says Fox, pointing toward Chiefs linebacker Tamba Hali. "He's a great rusher, but look how he has to play. He can't even rush. He's just sitting there waiting. He's reading the option.

"What he does against conventional teams is rush the passer. Well, we don't have a passer. We have a runner. Not to say he can't pass at all, but we're recognizing his strengths."

The play results in a respectable gain, but Fox is making a greater point: The looks Denver has received from opposing defenses in the past two games has opened the door to more creative ways to exploit teams with Tebow's skill set.

"I don't think anybody has ever done it quite to the extent we're doing it," Fox said, again referencing the current-day NFL option.

This is still a challenge for Fox, don't get that wrong.

'Timmy is fine'
Even as Fox has decided to fully embrace Tebow's potential by tailoring the offense to him -- and even though he constantly praised Tebow's unorthodox skills Tuesday like a kid showing off a new toy that nobody else has -- this is still a strange deal.

Proof enough occurred in the middle of the film session, when I asked Fox if he himself would have drafted Tebow, who was picked in the first round in 2010 by Josh McDaniels, the coach whom Fox replaced.

"That's hard to say," Fox said. "As a football player, I would have. He's what you're looking for in a football player."

Without a pause, Fox's attention immediately went back toward the television screen as he began to explain another play, a symbolic moment since it explains exactly the current mentality: Don't overthink this thing. Don't overanalyze it.

"Here's our dive option," Fox says. "We'll get better at it. This is the first week we've done it."

He jumps forward to another one of the team's new read-option plays.

"See the tight end? He's got to be flatter in arc," Fox says. "That'll suck the support guy up. See how he's steep? He needs to be more down the line so Timmy can be more downhill at the end. We've got to get better at that.

"See the right tackle? He needs to come up and block the backside backer, who gets in on the play. Timmy is fine. He's done this his whole life. It's the rest of the guys that are learning it. We just put this in two weeks ago."

'Wait and see'
It remains among the NFL's greatest wonders if the Broncos can sustain success in a system led by Tebow and so diluted with runs. Part of finding out will be dictated by the progress of the players around Tebow, which is another element of an evaluation process like few others in league history.

Tim Tebow
Can the Broncos really plan to become a team defined by the option for the next decade? Will they prove willing to build their roster around this possibility?

While Denver has jumped back into contention in the AFC West with three wins in the past four games, nobody is so naïve as to believe that's enough proof in itself. But moving forward, the organization has adopted a philosophy when it comes to the current situation: One way or another, they're going to find out.

A team source said Monday night that the Broncos now have taken a "wait-and-see" approach with the quarterback situation, realizing there's enough football left to play this year to provide a better body of work to evaluate Tebow.

"I don't think anyone within the organization is immune to the fact that there may be something special about the guy," the source said. "I don't think anybody is sold on the long-term success of this offense yet -- but I think we've warmed up to it.

"Hey, if we make the playoffs, and we have a later draft pick, the pressure isn't as high to draft a quarterback. If he hasn't progressed, we'll just have to evaluate."

Those decisions, though, will be saved for a later time. That couldn't be more evident in Fox's office, where the focus remains squarely on placing Tebow in an ideal situation to keep stringing together wins.

'Taboo in the NFL'
Few coaches might be better suited for this situation. Fox is free of too much ego or too much pride, and he has no qualms about jumping head first into an offense unlike any other across the NFL.

Heck, he's the one who implemented the Wildcat (before it was called the Wildcat) with Chris Weinke at quarterback in Dec. 2006 when the Panthers played the Falcons. In that game, Carolina passed seven times and rushed 52 times in a 10-3 win.

Only 32 times since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger has a team attempted fewer than 10 passes and logged more than 50 rushes. Fox now accounts for two of those instances.

"Hey, as long as you're moving the ball, possessing the ball, giving your defense some rest, it's all good," Fox said. "Run, pass, if they let you kick it down the field, I wouldn't mind doing that either. As long as you're moving the ball, that's the key."

On Thursday, after a short week of preparations, the Broncos will have yet another opportunity to progress their newly implemented option system against the New York Jets. They'll add more plays and packages. They'll continue to polish the ones they've already implemented in the past two weeks.

This is Fox's plan, and he's going to keep pushing it.

Will it continue to work? Will Tebow manage to keep winning games, and as a result, winning the opportunity to keep having this offense designed around his skill set? Everyone is watching. Everyone is wondering.

And as far as Fox is concerned, no matter what it takes to do so, everyone is going to eventually find out. That, in a nutshell, is the Foxy way.

"At the end of the day, if you coached in college football, you saw the option every week," Fox said Monday. "It's just been taboo in the NFL. Everyone is looking for that prototypical quarterback. And the truth is, there aren't very many of them.

"Hey, Tim thinks he deserves to have these plays in this offense. And you know what? After watching our games the last two weeks, it's hard to argue with him.
 
Mr

Not to say he's ready for MVP consideration, but ALL YOU ARM CHAIR experts who talk ALL THAT SHIT, now all of a sudden, your asses have mittens on and don't have shit to say/type!!!! Where yall at!?!?!? He didn't put up big numbers today, but he for damn sure looked a hell of a lot better, AND THEY BEAT A TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD!!!!! ON THE FUCKING ROAD!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dec 24, 2011. Bills rout Broncos 40 -14. Tebow 13 of 30, 185 yards and FOUR INTERCEPTIONS.

Guess that's because he played on Saturday rather than Sunday huh. :rolleyes:

Yep he's the best QB to come down the pike in a long line. Definitely a MVP candidate. :rolleyes:
 
Re: Mr

Dec 24, 2011. Bills rout Broncos 40 -14. Tebow 13 of 30, 185 yards and FOUR INTERCEPTIONS.

Guess that's because he played on Saturday rather than Sunday huh. :rolleyes:

Yep he's the best QB to come down the pike in a long line. Definitely a MVP candidate. :rolleyes:

coach fox said it best:

"If we were trying to run a regular offense, he'd be screwed."

:lol:

but arm chair experts like the thread starter fall for the hype.
 
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