Tarantino uses N-word backstage at Golden Globes

[Mad Genius]

Peace,



The entire "context" argument is disingenuous.

Let's ignore - for the moment - the fact that you're acting as if Quentin Tarantino is Noam Chomsky. Are you telling me that if a white person were to publicly rail against, say, police brutality and how harmful it was to the '******' population you would be supportive of his/her statement? Don't you think the power of the message is at least partially dependent on the words chosen to communicate it?

Or how about regarding QT's n1ggerisms within the context of his own work? He has a history of having his characters employ the term - COMPLETELY randomly - in other films. The fact that more than a few right-minded black folks should react badly to this makes sense (and, frankly, I shouldn't have to belabor that point to a sane black person).

Now let's get back to QT posing as some sort of freedom fighter: ask yourself what kind of world we're living in when a person has to rely on snide, n-word-obsessed, douche bag filmmaker to precipitate decision about issues that impact the black community. This motherfucker isn't a community activist. He's a weirdo who appears to be fixated on emasculating black men on film.

dude. let me show what disingenuous is.

Are you telling me that if a white person were to publicly rail against, say, police brutality and how harmful it was to the '******' population you would be supportive of his/her statement?

wow. talk about false equivalence. this is not even close to what qt said or did. so we'll just disregard all of this.

Or how about regarding QT's n1ggerisms within the context of his own work? He has a history of having his characters employ the term - COMPLETELY randomly - in other films. The fact that more than a few right-minded black folks should react badly to this makes sense (and, frankly, I shouldn't have to belabor that point to a sane black person).

there's a few "right-minded" black folks that support a raging, proven racist who would undo the civil rights act as soon as he is elected president (ron paul). so being "right-minded" is not always indictive of being always right.

ive seen his movies too. and if he were a black filmaker we wouldnt be having this discussion. we'd be calling him the new spike lee. no one would have anything to say about how much he uses the word "nigga" then. you guys are all mad because he had the audacity to use the word. you want to wish the word away...and if you cant do that, then the next best thing is to be the "nigga" police. which is fine sometimes, but then its times like this when you anger is misdirected and misinformed. and also based on the opinion that no one should use the word, regardless of the context. because you're too lazy to analyze it and its easier to just point and say "that's racist!"

i dont doubt that the guy has used the word in a questionable manner before, but it was nothing that equaled a malicious intent. its like we're being quick to jump to a conclusion because we don't want to take the time to truly analyze what was said.

 

[spicykjun]

if u hav a problem w a word maybe its YOU w the problem

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

So if what you said is the case, why in your estimation would he want to say the word (I'm gathering you mean "as much as possible".)?

Fundamentally, I think that many of them are simply fascinated by the word and the power that they have, when they use it, to disrupt the equilibrium of black folks and others who might be offended by it.

He's also a douche.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

dude. let me show what disingenuous is.



wow. talk about false equivalence. this is not even close to what qt said or did. so we'll just disregard all of this.

You're simply looking for loopholes now. You have to know that I was countering your ridiculous 'you guys need to listen to his MESSAGE' argument. Obviously, my point was that you can't ignore the words that are being used to deliver a message. But you're smart enough to know that, aren't you? So you're likely disregarding the rest of the argument because you find it convenient to do so.

there's a few "right-minded" black folks that support a raging, proven racist who would undo the civil rights act as soon as he is elected president (ron paul). so being "right-minded" is not always indictive of being always right.

If you think black folks who support Ron Paul are "right-minded," your definition differs from mine.

ive seen his movies too. and if he were a black filmaker we wouldnt be having this discussion. we'd be calling him the new spike lee. no one would have anything to say about how much he uses the word "nigga" then. you guys are all mad because he had the audacity to use the word. you want to wish the word away...and if you cant do that, then the next best thing is to be the "nigga" police. which is fine sometimes, but then its times like this when you anger is misdirected and misinformed. and also based on the opinion that no one should use the word, regardless of the context. because you're too lazy to analyze it and its easier to just point and say "that's racist!"

This is becoming tedious. If he were a black filmmaker, the discussion wouldn't need to take place. However, the discussion IS taking place because black folks have a problem with a cracker using the word "******." I'm not sure why you can't seem to grasp this very simple concept. I can't imagine how black Americans have gotten to a place at which some of us not only aggressively defend a cracker's right to use the word ******, but assault the intellect of other black folks who might object to it.

i dont doubt that the guy has used the word in a questionable manner before, but it was nothing that equaled a malicious intent. its like we're being quick to jump to a conclusion because we don't want to take the time to truly analyze what was said.

This is just more apologist drivel. No one needs Quentin fucking Tarantino to open the books on the inherent unfairness of our prison system. Further, no one needs to waste time attempting to gauge the intent of a cracker who uses the n-word. Even those of us who haven’t the words to articulate it inherently know that when a white person says “******” he or she is affirming kidnapping, The Middle Passage, slavery, rape, murder, castration, branding, mutilation, lynching, eugenics, Jim Crow, white supremacy, segregation, Plessy v. Ferguson, Poll Taxes, dogs, hoses, profiling, etc. In short, whenever a white person, no matter how thoughtlessly, uses the term, they are shouting, “WHITE POWER,” loudly and decisively. If you can't understand that, it's because you don't want to.

 

[respiration]

Peace,



Fundamentally, I think that many of them are simply fascinated by the word and the power that they have, when they use it, to disrupt the equilibrium of black folks and others who might be offended by it.

He's also a douche.

Peace to you in return,

Given all that was said in this thread thus far, I feel that to pose the following as a question would be slightly insulting, and that is not my wish. So instead, these are my thoughts:

I see no conspiracies here on the part of QT. I would submit that, yes, I have seen films of his in which the word was used unnecessarily - as well as unrealistically. "Dead ****** storage". Really? And this is an average white guy character saying this to a Black man he knows is a cold-blooded killer?

My point in asking you the question I did is that until QT gives a comprehensive explanation on how he feels about the word, tells why it pops up so much in his movies, etc - none of us know what his exact motivations are - if any. Now I would guess his motivation might include:
a. He knows how white folks refer to black folks when none are around.
b. He could be attempting to neutralize the negative power of the word by overusing it.
c. He knows the word has verbal impact, which fits in with other terminology and imagery that is impactful in his films ie: extreme violence, "motherfucker" etc.
d. He's just a racist, having a laugh at all of us.

Seems like most of those who are anti-Quentin Tarantino or anti-Django Unchained lean more towards 'd'. While that is possible that Quentin is just a stone-cold racist, I'd say there's more filmic evidence to the opposition than there is to his being a virulent racist being factual.

The one thing Brother Spike and Quentin have in common is that both recognized the prodigious screen presence and acting talent of Samuel L. Jackson and both created vehicles to showcase his skills. Quentin was directly responsible for both Sam and Pam Grier's Academy Award nominations -as well as the explosion of Sam Jackson's career. He has featured women and people of color prominently in the majority of his films.

I'm old enough to remember the 70s. I recall how we would go to the movies and root for the singular positive Black character in white drama and action movies, and hope he would live till the end. So often our hopes were dashed to pieces...lol. Other than that, Black characters in white movies were so often portrayed as minor thugs, prostitutes, junkies etc. The singular exceptions were the few Black made films and Blaxploitation movies which I and many others am a lover of. I remember Saturday nights as a kid going to see second and third run triple features like Superfly, The Mack, Black Caesar, Coffy, Three the Hard Way, Sheba Baby, Black Belt Jones, Willie Dynamite etc.

The common themes in the action films within that genre included: evil racist whitey, cool stylish and well-dressed Black hero, evil whitey gets iced by Black hero, Black hero happily survives. Another commonality is that most of those movies blaxploitation action movies were directed by whites. My family and I saw and experienced a good deal of direct racism firsthand during my early childhood. Going to see those movies in the theaters with my Black people surrounding me in my late childhood and teens did not erase the real life shit I'd experienced and seen. But it sure felt good on Saturday night to cheer alongside my peoples when that Black hero would deal out the ultimate justice to those no good cracka villains.

The genre faded out in the 80s. But that decade also brought us important new Black directors in film, like Charles Burnett, Spike Lee and Robert Townsend - who built upon their predecessors (Melvin Van Peebles, Gordon Parks, Ivan Dixon etc) and featured even more detailed and wide-ranging expressions of the Black experience.
The movie Django Unchained is a 2012 blaxploitation movie. All the elements are there that were present in its 1970s counterparts: There was over-the-top violence. The Black hero was cool and stylish and had the best lines. The movie's most heroic Black characters survived. Black love prevailed. Evil whitey was wiped out. And the most interesting villain in the movie (and also the most intelligent), Stephen (a Black man), died last. I liked the movie. I thought it was a nice throwback to Saturday Night trips to The Oriental Theater (Chicago).

The above package (Django Unchained) doesn't look to me like the work of a racist. I can't see Quentin Tarantino putting together THAT package for the express purpose of setting a record for most N-words spoken- even though I too think that in interviews the dude often comes off as somewhat of a douche.

 

[Mad Genius]

Peace,



You're simply looking for loopholes now. You have to know that I was countering your ridiculous 'you guys need to listen to his MESSAGE' argument. Obviously, my point was that you can't ignore the words that are being used to deliver a message. But you're smart enough to know that, aren't you? So you're likely disregarding the rest of the argument because you find it convenient to do so.



If you think black folks who support Ron Paul are "right-minded," your definition differs from mine.



This is becoming tedious. If he were a black filmmaker, the discussion wouldn't need to take place. However, the discussion IS taking place because black folks have a problem with a cracker using the word "******." I'm not sure why you can't seem to grasp this very simple concept. I can't imagine how black Americans have gotten to a place at which some of us not only aggressively defend a cracker's right to use the word ******, but assault the intellect of other black folks who might object to it.



This is just more apologist drivel. No one needs Quentin fucking Tarantino to open the books on the inherent unfairness of our prison system. Further, no one needs to waste time attempting to gauge the intent of a cracker who uses the n-word. Even those of us who haven’t the words to articulate it inherently know that when a white person says “******” he or she is affirming kidnapping, The Middle Passage, slavery, rape, murder, castration, branding, mutilation, lynching, eugenics, Jim Crow, white supremacy, segregation, Plessy v. Ferguson, Poll Taxes, dogs, hoses, profiling, etc. In short, whenever a white person, no matter how thoughtlessly, uses the term, they are shouting, “WHITE POWER,” loudly and decisively. If you can't understand that, it's because you don't want to.

no dude. i dont understand you. i dont give 2 fucks about qt as a person. you dont even see that you are doing exactly what white people often do which paint them with a broad brush. you are so clouded by a word that you refuse to see anything else. i've been saying it in this thread and this is the last time i will....you are worried about the wrong fucking thing. and the fact that you would willingly ignore what tarantino said about the prison industrial complex and black people..knowing this one the greatest injustices on the fucking planet, but you choose to ignore and disregard it because it came out of a white dude's mouth shows your ignorance. you dont have pride. you have fear. you only think its pride. you're constantly worried about what white people think and say about you, even though have no have little to no choice in the matter. sad part is that you still havent figured that out. you are sgt. waters, son.

you are feverishly trying to control a word you cant control. reactionary negroes always do this. im more concerned about real world issues that affect black people, not bullshit ass platitudes about word usage and who can use it. and to say that "No one needs Quentin fucking Tarantino to open the books on the inherent unfairness of our prison system." is some fucking bullshit that 1) misreads that prison system problems as "inherent" like its not the prison systems fault that black people are intentionally and disproportionately targeted and 2) completely disregards how critical the problem he's referring to actually is. but nope... white guy said nigga/er. thats it, son. fight the power! but those thousands of black men routinely rounded up and rammed through the courts so that white folks can make money..naw..that shit can wait. let's talk about this white boy using the word nigga. that's far more important.

in the end, we both disagree on what we think is important. you think qt is the problem. i think the real problem is a new form a jim crow that has been successfully integrated back into america for black people. so you keep fighting that good nigga word fight, ok bruh? good luck, nigga.

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Do gays walk around calling each other faggot?.. Did QT call anyone a ****** at the Golden Globes?.. What was the context when he said it?.. Was he simply referencing the press about the word pertaining to his movie?..


These two incidents are in no way alike.. This is a stretch armstrong reach, bruh..

1) YES, gays DO call each other 'faggot' among many other gay slurs.

2) Isaiah Washington didn't "call" anyone a faggot at the Golden Globes.

3) If you're paying attention to context, you should know Washington only used the word to say that he didn't use it against TR Knight (a gay man). He was punished using saying "faggot" while saying he didn't say "faggot". Where was the context argument for him, then?

4) It's silly to suggest Washington had to be referencing a movie for the two incidents to be comparable. Comparable means similar, not the same. They both said slurs in sentences that were not delivered in a pejorative context. They only referenced the words. They didn't actually "use" them.

5) These two incidents are clearly comparable, unless you simply choose to view them as being in "no way alike". No way alike???

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

Peace to you in return,

Given all that was said in this thread thus far, I feel that to pose the following as a question would be slightly insulting, and that is not my wish. So instead, these are my thoughts:

I see no conspiracies here on the part of QT. I would submit that, yes, I have seen films of his in which the word was used unnecessarily - as well as unrealistically. "Dead ****** storage". Really? And this is an average white guy character saying this to a Black man he knows is a cold-blooded killer?

My point in asking you the question I did is that until QT gives a comprehensive explanation on how he feels about the word, tells why it pops up so much in his movies, etc - none of us know what his exact motivations are - if any. Now I would guess his motivation might include:
a. He knows how white folks refer to black folks when none are around.
b. He could be attempting to neutralize the negative power of the word by overusing it.
c. He knows the word has verbal impact, which fits in with other terminology and imagery that is impactful in his films ie: extreme violence, "motherfucker" etc.
d. He's just a racist, having a laugh at all of us.

Seems like most of those who are anti-Quentin Tarantino or anti-Django Unchained lean more towards 'd'. While that is possible that Quentin is just a stone-cold racist, I'd say there's more filmic evidence to the opposition than there is to his being a virulent racist being factual.

The one thing Brother Spike and Quentin have in common is that both recognized the prodigious screen presence and acting talent of Samuel L. Jackson and both created vehicles to showcase his skills. Quentin was directly responsible for both Sam and Pam Grier's Academy Award nominations -as well as the explosion of Sam Jackson's career. He has featured women and people of color prominently in the majority of his films.

I'm old enough to remember the 70s. I recall how we would go to the movies and root for the singular positive Black character in white drama and action movies, and hope he would live till the end. So often our hopes were dashed to pieces...lol. Other than that, Black characters in white movies were so often portrayed as minor thugs, prostitutes, junkies etc. The singular exceptions were the few Black made films and Blaxploitation movies which I and many others am a lover of. I remember Saturday nights as a kid going to see second and third run triple features like Superfly, The Mack, Black Caesar, Coffy, Three the Hard Way, Sheba Baby, Black Belt Jones, Willie Dynamite etc.

The common themes in the action films within that genre included: evil racist whitey, cool stylish and well-dressed Black hero, evil whitey gets iced by Black hero, Black hero happily survives. Another commonality is that most of those movies blaxploitation action movies were directed by whites. My family and I saw and experienced a good deal of direct racism firsthand during my early childhood. Going to see those movies in the theaters with my Black people surrounding me in my late childhood and teens did not erase the real life shit I'd experienced and seen. But it sure felt good on Saturday night to cheer alongside my peoples when that Black hero would deal out the ultimate justice to those no good cracka villains.

The genre faded out in the 80s. But that decade also brought us important new Black directors in film, like Charles Burnett, Spike Lee and Robert Townsend - who built upon their predecessors (Melvin Van Peebles, Gordon Parks, Ivan Dixon etc) and featured even more detailed and wide-ranging expressions of the Black experience.
The movie Django Unchained is a 2012 blaxploitation movie. All the elements are there that were present in its 1970s counterparts: There was over-the-top violence. The Black hero was cool and stylish and had the best lines. The movie's most heroic Black characters survived. Black love prevailed. Evil whitey was wiped out. And the most interesting villain in the movie (and also the most intelligent), Stephen (a Black man), died last. I liked the movie. I thought it was a nice throwback to Saturday Night trips to The Oriental Theater (Chicago).

The above package (Django Unchained) doesn't look to me like the work of a racist. I can't see Quentin Tarantino putting together THAT package for the express purpose of setting a record for most N-words spoken- even though I too think that in interviews the dude often comes off as somewhat of a douche.

Damn good post, bruh. I appreciate the dialogue.

To be clear, I recognize QT's contribution to American cinema, and to the careers of some of our finest actors. Also, I don't necessarily believe that QT is an overt racist. I just think he throws the word "******" around too often and too gleefully. As I've mentioned, I think he's an emotionally detached, geeky, weirdo douche who gets a rush out of saying it (directly or via his characters) and he's too far removed from the last asswhipping someone put on him.

Having said all that, I definitely understand the appeal of his films - particularly this recent one, in which no good devils get their comeuppance. I get that. What I DON'T get is how BLACK people are aggressively attacking those of us who are calling QT into question.

 

[djkidrich]

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

no dude. i dont understand you. i dont give 2 fucks about qt as a person. you dont even see that you are doing exactly what white people often do which paint them with a broad brush. you are so clouded by a word that you refuse to see anything else. i've been saying it in this thread and this is the last time i will....you are worried about the wrong fucking thing. and the fact that you would willingly ignore what tarantino said about the prison industrial complex and black people..knowing this one the greatest injustices on the fucking planet, but you choose to ignore and disregard it because it came out of a white dude's mouth shows your ignorance. you dont have pride. you have fear. you only think its pride. you're constantly worried about what white people think and say about you, even though have no have little to no choice in the matter. sad part is that you still havent figured that out. you are sgt. waters, son.

you are feverishly trying to control a word you cant control. reactionary negroes always do this. im more concerned about real world issues that affect black people, not bullshit ass platitudes about word usage and who can use it. and to say that "No one needs Quentin fucking Tarantino to open the books on the inherent unfairness of our prison system." is some fucking bullshit that 1) misreads that prison system problems as "inherent" like its not the prison systems fault that black people are intentionally and disproportionately targeted and 2) completely disregards how critical the problem he's referring to actually is. but nope... white guy said nigga/er. thats it, son. fight the power! but those thousands of black men routinely rounded up and rammed through the courts so that white folks can make money..naw..that shit can wait. let's talk about this white boy using the word nigga. that's far more important.

in the end, we both disagree on what we think is important. you think qt is the problem. i think the real problem is a new form a jim crow that has been successfully integrated back into america for black people. so you keep fighting that good nigga word fight, ok bruh? good luck, nigga.

When you're already in a hole, just stop fucking digging.

None of the gibberish you typed was in any way related my arguments. It's now become clear that you simply don't possess the capacity to engage in a meaningful exchange about this. That's cool. You just shouldn't criticize thoughtful black people simply because they refuse to wallow with you in your Tarantino-worshipping, intellectually deficient, socio-cultural backwater.

 

[Rick Spanish]

1) YES, gays DO call each other 'faggot' among many other gay slurs.

2) Isaiah Washington didn't "call" anyone a faggot at the Golden Globes.

3) If you're paying attention to context, you should know Washington only used the word to say that he didn't use it against TR Knight (a gay man). He was punished using saying "faggot" while saying he didn't say "faggot". Where was the context argument for him, then?

4) It's silly to suggest Washington had to be referencing a movie for the two incidents to be comparable. Comparable means similar, not the same. They both said slurs in sentences that were not delivered in a pejorative context. They only referenced the words. They didn't actually "use" them.

5) These two incidents are clearly comparable, unless you simply choose to view them as being in "no way alike". No way alike???

Like I said.. The two situations are not comparable whatsoever.. One involves someone being attacked with a derogatory term, the other involves someone answering a question about a hot button topic..


And no gays do not walk around calling each other "faggots" and "queers" like we walk around calling each other "niggas" and "bitches". That's just a flat out lie.

 

[GOLDIE]

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Like I said.. The two situations are not comparable whatsoever.. One involves someone being attacked with a derogatory term, the other involves someone answering a question about a hot button topic..

Nonsense. The comparison is not between the incidents that precipitated their use of the slurs at the Golden Globes. The comparison if obviously that both men used a slur in a statement at the Golden Globes, but neither used the slur directed at anyone or in a derogatory context at the Golden Globes. There's a different between calling someone a faggot or nigger vs using either word in a sentence for reference sake only. they were only referencing the word in question, because their was a question about their previous use of the word. What part of that escapes you as comparable?

And no gays do not walk around calling each other "faggots" and "queers" like we walk around calling each other "niggas" and "bitches". That's just a flat out lie.

Again, nonsense. 5 minutes on Youtube, alone, would show you who's lying. Yes, gays DO refer to each other as gay slurs. The 'Q' in LGBTQ is for QUEER, son.

 

[Drayonis]

Nonsense. The comparison is not between the incidents that precipitated their use of the slurs at the Golden Globes. The comparison if obviously that both men used a slur in a statement at the Golden Globes, but neither used the slur directed at anyone or in a derogatory context at the Golden Globes. There's a different between calling someone a faggot or nigger vs using either word in a sentence for reference sake only. they were only referencing the word in question, because their was a question about their previous use of the word. What part of that escapes you as comparable?

Again, nonsense. 5 minutes on Youtube, alone, would show you who's lying. Yes, gays DO refer to each other as gay slurs. The 'Q' in LGBTQ is for QUEER, son.

Exactly. I've heard gays refer to each as fag before.

 

[ZuluSam]

Peace to you in return,

Given all that was said in this thread thus far, I feel that to pose the following as a question would be slightly insulting, and that is not my wish. So instead, these are my thoughts:

I see no conspiracies here on the part of QT. I would submit that, yes, I have seen films of his in which the word was used unnecessarily - as well as unrealistically. "Dead ****** storage". Really? And this is an average white guy character saying this to a Black man he knows is a cold-blooded killer?

My point in asking you the question I did is that until QT gives a comprehensive explanation on how he feels about the word, tells why it pops up so much in his movies, etc - none of us know what his exact motivations are - if any. Now I would guess his motivation might include:
a. He knows how white folks refer to black folks when none are around.
b. He could be attempting to neutralize the negative power of the word by overusing it.
c. He knows the word has verbal impact, which fits in with other terminology and imagery that is impactful in his films ie: extreme violence, "motherfucker" etc.
d. He's just a racist, having a laugh at all of us.

Seems like most of those who are anti-Quentin Tarantino or anti-Django Unchained lean more towards 'd'. While that is possible that Quentin is just a stone-cold racist, I'd say there's more filmic evidence to the opposition than there is to his being a virulent racist being factual.

The one thing Brother Spike and Quentin have in common is that both recognized the prodigious screen presence and acting talent of Samuel L. Jackson and both created vehicles to showcase his skills. Quentin was directly responsible for both Sam and Pam Grier's Academy Award nominations -as well as the explosion of Sam Jackson's career. He has featured women and people of color prominently in the majority of his films.

I'm old enough to remember the 70s. I recall how we would go to the movies and root for the singular positive Black character in white drama and action movies, and hope he would live till the end. So often our hopes were dashed to pieces...lol. Other than that, Black characters in white movies were so often portrayed as minor thugs, prostitutes, junkies etc. The singular exceptions were the few Black made films and Blaxploitation movies which I and many others am a lover of. I remember Saturday nights as a kid going to see second and third run triple features like Superfly, The Mack, Black Caesar, Coffy, Three the Hard Way, Sheba Baby, Black Belt Jones, Willie Dynamite etc.

The common themes in the action films within that genre included: evil racist whitey, cool stylish and well-dressed Black hero, evil whitey gets iced by Black hero, Black hero happily survives. Another commonality is that most of those movies blaxploitation action movies were directed by whites. My family and I saw and experienced a good deal of direct racism firsthand during my early childhood. Going to see those movies in the theaters with my Black people surrounding me in my late childhood and teens did not erase the real life shit I'd experienced and seen. But it sure felt good on Saturday night to cheer alongside my peoples when that Black hero would deal out the ultimate justice to those no good cracka villains.

The genre faded out in the 80s. But that decade also brought us important new Black directors in film, like Charles Burnett, Spike Lee and Robert Townsend - who built upon their predecessors (Melvin Van Peebles, Gordon Parks, Ivan Dixon etc) and featured even more detailed and wide-ranging expressions of the Black experience.
The movie Django Unchained is a 2012 blaxploitation movie. All the elements are there that were present in its 1970s counterparts: There was over-the-top violence. The Black hero was cool and stylish and had the best lines. The movie's most heroic Black characters survived. Black love prevailed. Evil whitey was wiped out. And the most interesting villain in the movie (and also the most intelligent), Stephen (a Black man), died last. I liked the movie. I thought it was a nice throwback to Saturday Night trips to The Oriental Theater (Chicago).

The above package (Django Unchained) doesn't look to me like the work of a racist. I can't see Quentin Tarantino putting together THAT package for the express purpose of setting a record for most N-words spoken- even though I too think that in interviews the dude often comes off as somewhat of a douche.

My thoughts exactly....I wonder if there is an age element at work here.

My dad was a chemistry professor and the student chemistry club played those movies in the auditorium for fund raisers...my dad would take me and that shit was off the chain for a 10, 11, 12 year old kid....

watching with those students was exhilarating to say the least....ahhhh, the memories...

despite my previous crush on lil white girls at school, at these movies i fell in love with brown skin and never fell out....

good post bruh

 

[Rick Spanish]

Nonsense. The comparison is not between the incidents that precipitated their use of the slurs at the Golden Globes. The comparison if obviously that both men used a slur in a statement at the Golden Globes, but neither used the slur directed at anyone or in a derogatory context at the Golden Globes. There's a different between calling someone a faggot or nigger vs using either word in a sentence for reference sake only. they were only referencing the word in question, because their was a question about their previous use of the word. What part of that escapes you as comparable?

Again, nonsense. 5 minutes on Youtube, alone, would show you who's lying. Yes, gays DO refer to each other as gay slurs. The 'Q' in LGBTQ is for QUEER, son.

The difference is one involves an off topic altercation, and the other was an on topic question relating to the controversy about a film he'd just won a Golden Globe for.. Totally different..


And I don't watch gay videos on Youtube, bruh. But in passing, I've never heard homosexuals openly, and constantly refer to themselves as "Faggots"..

 

[8/11Streetz]

And did black people run to defend and support Isiah Washington like they are Tarrantino?

We have some sorry ass black people up here.

like i said nobody should be using the word



especially white folks. Its like behind close doors i swear some of these muthafuckaz get off to this shit.

I haven't seen Django and probably won't but my opinion is we are giving this word waaaay to much power. We get made when other races use it but we call ourselves the shit everyday.

I dont think people understand how fucking stupid that makes us look. The "oh we can say it cuz its our word" bullshit mentality needs to stop. First of all its not our word we didnt create it. It shouldnt be used as a term of endearment or none of that bullshit

Truth be told if we all stop saying the shit white folks still probably would try to find a way to use it. But at least then we will have justifiable cause to bust there muthafucking ass.

I know i slip up from time to time and write it on here but in real life man i do not say that shit at all. I tell my friends dont say it around me and they black. Its been times where i heard white folks say it around blacks thinking they are cool and they got their asses checked.

Now as far as the movie goes I get it was slavery times and thats how they talked. Its just the fact that okay dude you seem like your having to much fun using the N-word and hiding behind your movies to do it. Maybe thats my militant side coming out idk

But real talk lets make a movie called "D'Twan: UnQueened" and throw around the word faggot and see what happens

Fags will start a muthafucking riot!

Better yet lets do "D'Jacob: UnHolocausted" lets throw around the some jew slurs lets see how that shit play out

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

Exactly. I've heard gays refer to each as fag before.

He knows that. Dude is playing dumb to that fact, because it doesn't fit his narrative that only Black people call each other self-applied slurs.

The difference is one involves an off topic altercation, and the other was an on topic question relating to the controversy about a film he'd just won a Golden Globe for.. Totally different..

That doesn't make sense. There was no "altercation" involved when Isaiah Washington clarify to the press that he didn't call a gay cast member a faggot. In that moment, he wasn't directing the word at anyone. He was addressing the press about his past use of the word, just like Tarantino was.

And I don't watch gay videos on Youtube, bruh. But in passing, I've never heard homosexuals openly, and constantly refer to themselves as "Faggots"..

You don't have to watch gay video, duke. What I said was you can easily find evidence on Youtube that it happens.

 

[Mad Genius]

Peace,



When you're already in a hole, just stop fucking digging.

None of the gibberish you typed was in any way related my arguments. It's now become clear that you simply don't possess the capacity to engage in a meaningful exchange about this. That's cool. You just shouldn't criticize thoughtful black people simply because they refuse to wallow with you in your Tarantino-worshipping, intellectually deficient, socio-cultural backwater.

yeah thats what i figured clown. you're thoughtful alright. you're as thoughful as a lemming. your argument is simple. because you're simple. what makes you think i don't understand it?

now all of a sudden i'm a tarantino worshipper because i'm calling you and any other black person that thinks like you out. tarantino isnt the problem. people too lazy to understand context are the problem. people who constantly fight to keep a negative connotation of a word attached to black people by way of banning it from use among others is the problem. you are the problem. you're more worried about a word than the current condition of your people. your fear of what white people think about you, which you have no control over is the problem.

now leave me be. go have a warm glass of that socio-cultural backwater you mentioned. clown.

 

[lazarus]

what does isiah washington have to do w anything lol these dummies are throwing the kitchen sink or did i miss him directing a movie about gay persecution? did he make the gay get his lover at the end?

context dummies.

 

[lazarus]

i do agree on the power. you are still mentally a slave if u care what whites think and let their words affect you, even though he word was used properly in context and you still mad? then you are what they say
you did not just tie gay rights with slavery. and if u wrote a story like milk but with more violence tarantino style against straight ppl, you would be honarary queen of sf so quit the bullshit

like i said nobody should be using the word



especially white folks. Its like behind close doors i swear some of these muthafuckaz get off to this shit.

I haven't seen Django and probably won't but my opinion is we are giving this word waaaay to much power. We get made when other races use it but we call ourselves the shit everyday.

I dont think people understand how fucking stupid that makes us look. The "oh we can say it cuz its our word" bullshit mentality needs to stop. First of all its not our word we didnt create it. It shouldnt be used as a term of endearment or none of that bullshit

Truth be told if we all stop saying the shit white folks still probably would try to find a way to use it. But at least then we will have justifiable cause to bust there muthafucking ass.

I know i slip up from time to time and write it on here but in real life man i do not say that shit at all. I tell my friends dont say it around me and they black. Its been times where i heard white folks say it around blacks thinking they are cool and they got their asses checked.

Now as far as the movie goes I get it was slavery times and thats how they talked. Its just the fact that okay dude you seem like your having to much fun using the N-word and hiding behind your movies to do it. Maybe thats my militant side coming out idk

But real talk lets make a movie called "D'Twan: UnQueened" and throw around the word faggot and see what happens

Fags will start a muthafucking riot!

Better yet lets do "D'Jacob: UnHolocausted" lets throw around the some jew slurs lets see how that shit play out

 

[lazarus]

Exactly. I've heard gays refer to each as fag before.

do you say it back?

 

[Rick Spanish]

He knows that. Dude is playing dumb to that fact, because it doesn't fit his narrative that only Black people call each other self-applied slurs.

That doesn't make sense. There was no "altercation" involved when Isaiah Washington clarify to the press that he didn't call a gay cast member a faggot. In that moment, he wasn't directing the word at anyone. He was addressing the press about his past use of the word, just like Tarantino was.

Haven't been around as many gays as you dudes may have, but I've never heard a gay guy call another a "fag"..


Either way, it's not as ingrained in homosexual culture as "nigga" is in our culture. I can put on my favorite rap album and hear that shit 100x in one sitting.. My fam call me a nigga.. My friends call me a nigga.. Every-time I see my barber he says "What's up, nigga?.."


..Isaish was referencing an altercation that had jack shit to do with why they were at the Golden Globes. QT was answering a question directly tied to why he was at the Golden Globes.. Totally different.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Haven't been around as many gays as you dudes may have, but I've never heard a gay guy call another a "fag"..

I've heard it numerous times.

 

[Rick Spanish]

I've heard it numerous times.

Great.. Did you read the paragraph following though?.. When is Boy George and Elton John dropping "Faggots in Paris"?...

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

I've never heard a gay guy call another a "fag"..

In other words, you don't know what you're talking about when you say they don't call each other "fag".

Either way, it's not as ingrained in homosexual culture as "nigga" is in our culture. I can put on my favorite rap album and hear that shit 100x in one sitting.. My fam call me a nigga.. My friends call me a nigga.. Every-time I see my barber he says "What's up, nigga?.."

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I initially said.

..Isaish was referencing an altercation that had jack shit to do with why they were at the Golden Globes. QT was answering a question directly tied to why he was at the Golden Globes.. Totally different.

Bullshit. The reporter asked about the altercation and he stepped up to clarify that he didn't call the gay cast member a faggot. That's why he started the comment with "No". ""No, I did not call T. R. Knight a faggot. It did not happen." It was a response, not him bringing the shit up out of the blue. The reporter asked about the altercation, just like Tarantino was asked about his use of "nigger". It's not that complicated to grasp.

 

[Rick Spanish]

Bullshit. The reporter asked about the altercation and he stepped up to clarify that he didn't call the gay cast member a faggot. That's why he started the comment with "No". ""No, I did not call T. R. Knight a faggot. It did not happen." It was a response, not him bringing the shit up out of the blue. The reporter asked about the altercation, just like Tarantino was asked about his use of "nigger". It's not that complicated to grasp.

No.. It's not complicated to grasp how some bullshit argument between T.R. Knight and Isaiah Washington had nothing to do with why they were there, and how QT was on topic when he was asked directly about his film.. You just don't want to grasp it as it defeats your argument.. One of those things is not like the other..


And I'm willing to concede the fact that you know more about faggots than I do.. Sounds like you and Dray weirdly have a lot of first hand knowledge about homosexual activity..

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

No.. It's not complicated to grasp how some bullshit argument between T.R. Knight and Isaiah Washington had nothing to do with why they were there, and how QT was on topic when he was asked directly about his film.. You just don't want to grasp it as it defeats your argument.. One of those things is not like the other..


And I'm willing to concede the fact that you know more about faggots than I do.. Sounds like you and Dray weirdly have a lot of first hand knowledge about homosexual activity..

You're a moron. Both of them were answering questions a reporter asked directly. You spoke with authority about what gays don't say; now, you're trying to backtrack and say you have no idea what they say... you've just never heard them say it. Right. You're making a monkey of yourself, duke. Stop.

 

[Rick Spanish]

You're a moron. Both of them were answering questions a reporter asked directly. You spoke with authority about what gays don't say; now, you're trying to backtrack and say you have no idea what they say... you've just never heard them say it. Right. You're making a monkey of yourself, duke. Stop.

I spoke of what I thought to be true.. You seem to be a faggot aficionado, so I'll take you at your word.


Isiah could have easily not answered that question. That shit was none of the reporters business. Had no barring on why they were up there. QT had an obligation to answer a question about a movie that brought him there.. You understand that, but you're still fighting for your argument to save face for pride sake...

 

[8/11Streetz]

i do agree on the power. you are still mentally a slave if u care what whites think and let their words affect you, even though he word was used properly in context and you still mad? then you are what they say
you did not just tie gay rights with slavery. and if u wrote a story like milk but with more violence tarantino style against straight ppl, you would be honarary queen of sf so quit the bullshit

its not about tying anything together its the fact that other people wont stand for that shit.


Truth be told QT knew exactly what he was doing he knew this movie would be controversial and controversy sells................

White folks in the movie threater laughing at "is that a n!993r on a horse" lines and blacks right beside them laughing to.

lets keep laughing yall jokes on us

 

[lazarus]

its not about tying anything together its the fact that other people wont stand for that shit.


Truth be told QT knew exactly what he was doing he knew this movie would be controversial and controversy sells................

White folks in the movie threater laughing at "is that a n!993r on a horse" lines and blacks right beside them laughing to.

lets keep laughing yall jokes on us

the joke was not about the n word so that was useless to bring up. the joke was on whites in that period. you are so mentally slaved by the n word you cant get past that

 

[8/11Streetz]

the joke was not about the n word so that was useless to bring up. the joke was on whites in that period. you are so mentally slaved by the n word you cant get past that

yes i am a slave to the N-word i controls me i am soooooooo lost n confused boss.........


oh where is white jesus in these troublesome times

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

I spoke of what I thought to be true.. You seem to be a faggot aficionado, so I'll take you at your word.

This coming from the nigga who passionately defended gay not using gay slurs. You're trying too hard.

Isiah could have easily not answered that question. That shit was none of the reporters business. Had no barring on why they were up there. QT had an obligation to answer a question about a movie that brought him there.. You understand that, but you're still fighting for your argument to save face for pride sake...

You can't be stupid enough to say an incident that was, at the time, getting mad press was none of the reporter's business? Just like he could have not answered the question, Tarantino could have said "n-word" instead of "nigger". The altercation clearly had BEARING on the reason they were there, because it was an incident that occurred between cast mates during filming the show that had just gotten an award, genius. You're making a monkey of yourself.

 

[Rick Spanish]

This coming from the nigga who passionately defended gay not using gay slurs. You're trying too hard.

Says the guy that told me to research videos of faggots on Youtube?..

You can't be stupid enough to say an incident that was, at the time, getting mad press was none of the reporter's business? Just like he could have not answered the question, Tarantino could have said "n-word" instead of "nigger". The altercation clearly had BEARING on the reason they were there, because it was an incident that occurred between cast mates during filming the show that had just gotten an award, genius. You're making a monkey of yourself.

You're making a "monkey" (funny you keep using that word) or yourself, but you're too fucking stupid to see it.


Answering a question about a private altercation, and responding to criticism about your work are totally different things.. A question about what Isaiah did, or didn't call somebody had no place at the Golden Globes.. I don't give a fuck what kind of press it was getting. That wasn't the place to make a statement about it..


And QT should have said "N-Word" huh?.. Don Cheadle come right on after Tarantino and said "No ****** questions please...", so why isn't there a thread about him saying at the Golden Globes as well?.. It's ok when we say it in public, but god forbid a CAC says in context.. FOH with that hypocritical bullshit..

 

[exiledking]

Ill Paragraph, I'm wit ya bro. Drive on.