Susu (Sousou) meetings

Welp, the flower community share that got to a good portion of my friends is “wilting” severely. People being threatened with violence, successful members pointing fingers at those who complain and friends not speaking.
Sadly I witnessed one call those of us who didn’t get down, sell outs, house niggas.

I’m saddened by this.
 
Welp, the flower community share that got to a good portion of my friends is “wilting” severely. People being threatened with violence, successful members pointing fingers at those who complain and friends not speaking.
Sadly I witnessed one call those of us who didn’t get down, sell outs, house niggas.

I’m saddened by this.

Exactly why I don't lend or exchange money with family (if you need something that I can get FOR you, that's cool, but no dough) and don't do business without a contract in writing..
 
Unless you need that lump sum at that moment, i dont see the point. Because if i don't need it, when i get it, i can just hold on to that to make my weekly payments from it. what am i getting out of it? I'd rather take my x amount of dollars per week and just put it in my own savings accounts. In 8 weeks, i will have the lump sum plus a little interest. My family is trying to get me into one now, i will jump on the zoom call just to listen, but i have already made up my mind.
 
Unless you need that lump sum at that moment, i dont see the point. Because if i don't need it, when i get it, i can just hold on to that to make my weekly payments from it. what am i getting out of it? I'd rather take my x amount of dollars per week and just put it in my own savings accounts. In 8 weeks, i will have the lump sum plus a little interest. My family is trying to get me into one now, i will jump on the zoom call just to listen, but i have already made up my mind.
What you speak of is traditional sou sou.
the zoom call is likely the “flower”
 
Exactly
Set up an online account and automatically deposit the same amount of money every week and its the same shit. These things only benefit the people who get the early hands and even then you are paying the banker a fee out of your hand, which totals to a free hand for them. There is always a motive for these things. Nobody organizes these things to help people out, its for profit.
Im good

I could never calculate the banker's fee. Everytime I tried, the numbers didn't make any sense. Break it down if possible. Thanks in advance.
 
That's not true, man. What makes this work is the commitment of all the members to stay in and continue to put in every month. If you're doing this at the $500 level, that's a cool $3500 monthly after you re-up your $500. If everyone does their part, it works flawlessly. It's not a pyramid if its done right. There are good groups and bad ones. The bad ones give everyone else a black eye and that's sad because people are missing out on an opportunity to get ahead.
I tried to explain this to BGOL about a month ago. Personally, my experience has been amazing! Straight come up. I look at it no differently than going into a casino. Dont go ass-bettin and you'll be okay. I trade stocks and ETFs. So my mindset is that of a trader. This is completely recreational. No different than taking a few thousand and betting the over on the Birds game. Stop making this shit something it's not.

I'm speaking purely about the money game. Thats a board where you don't have to bring 2 people and all that. Its literally just playing the odds on a board involving others and trying to make it to the pY position. The return on it isn't bad.
this is where the fam and I cant agree.
You can’t say it isn’t a pyramid when it is.
when you calling everyone you know to see if they want to get involved in an opportunity that is not only too good to be true but also better if you hop on now.....it’s a pyramid.
I wish them well though. Always love.
My fault fam, I definitely took shit off track. I was talking about the Blessing Loom. I didn't have ANY luck with the Susu mainly because its too reliant no people doing there part.
My coworker introduced me to the $500 with the $3500 payout one, but I was skeptical and hate asking people to take a risk like that on some shit that I haven’t benefited from. I did try the $100 one. I didn’t have to bring anyone in and I got paid $800 in less than a week. Reinvested a 100 on that 1 and 200 on another. Board is moving slow now and haven’t been paid again. If I don’t, oh well at least I profited something. It could work if people would reinvest.
If everyone is paying the exact same amount and doing the exact same thing and no one person is getting most of the money, it's not a pyramid scheme. And as I stated before, there are good groups and bad ones. Good groups aren't openly advertising because they are looking for a people on solid ground. Not folks who aren't dependable. That's what makes the bad groups bad...they take anyone and most folks don't have the discipline to do it especially on a level of $500 and above.

i watched one zoom meeting and sat n studied the premise, its basically math but u play the equation with people u can trust and r willing to work a little to bring "good upright ppl" into the mix , u do get more than u put in but u must put in some work but it must be with upright ppl.
and its different from traditional sousou i knew about from my uncles&aunts , its more like "gifting" liek my cuzz explained to me
" the premise is solid like a flower or tree but the integrity of the structure or trunk of the flower depends on its branches"
 
Why don't you just deposit the money into a savings account?

The only way to get out more than you put in is for more people to join.
Actually you don't make any money. All it is a club where everyone has a designated week when they get their money.

So if the susu is for $200 per week and there's 50 members every member will get $10,000 on their designated week. You put in 10K you get back 10K there is no profit, just forced savings.
 
Actually you don't make any money. All it is a club where everyone has a designated week when they get their money.

So if the susu is for $200 per week and there's 50 members every member will get $10,000 on their designated week. You put in 10K you get back 10K there is no profit, just forced savings.
sousou is different from the flower
 
i watched one zoom meeting and sat n studied the premise, its basically math but u play the equation with people u can trust and r willing to work a little to bring "good upright ppl" into the mix , u do get more than u put in but u must put in some work but it must be with upright ppl.
and its different from traditional sousou i knew about from my uncles&aunts , its more like "gifting" liek my cuzz explained to me
" the premise is solid like a flower or tree but the integrity of the structure or trunk of the flower depends on its branches"

requires new people every week.
it fails every time.
not that many stand up people in the world let alone stand up people that can recruit stand up people.
 
Jidena has a song with lyrics about "sou sou".
"Put it back in like sousou..."
we talkin' money or honey or BOTH here??!! :D


Bring  it back, she said, "Put it in, sou sou"
Shawty come now, let it rain down
Put  it in, sou sou
Pitty-pat, gimme dat
Put it back, sou sou
Put it back in like sou sou
Put  it back in like sou sou
Bring it back, bring it back
Bring it back, sou sou..."



then there's his jam about the girl named ZODI ! (a Zodly Jody??)

 
Actually you don't make any money. All it is a club where everyone has a designated week when they get their money.

So if the susu is for $200 per week and there's 50 members every member will get $10,000 on their designated week. You put in 10K you get back 10K there is no profit, just forced savings.
Exactly, but what's to stop someone from getting their 10k and stepping away? Somebody gets 10k after only putting in $200.
 
Exactly, but what's to stop someone from getting their 10k and stepping away? Somebody gets 10k after only putting in $200.
u have to have a strong circle for susu n most r with ppl u know and a manageable number, the flower can be done virtually but to be safe it needs string hands(that the key)
 
requires new people every week.
it fails every time.
not that many stand up people in the world let alone stand up people that can recruit stand up people.
it doesnt require new people every week from u but the system or flower ure plugged into , so ur responsiblity to teh integrity of teh flower structure requires u to bring in 2 ppl ! thats it !

way i looked at it , if i cant find 2 ppl in my phone bank of patnaz i rock with to join in then we really aint about sharing the money anyway, then the resources we think we have arent real!

the key is to bring in 2 BLACK PEOPLE who are committed to the group economics, it it easy NO! is it doable YES is it profitable ? YES
 
EXACTLY.. strictly facts....

A wise trini sister put me up on that.. I had no idea how fuckin dope it was,

its was forced savings...

the key is, to get in with responsible people... not the fuckin money hungry muthafuckas that want to get that early hand and bounce....

I know folks that purchased multiple homes using su su.

bruh when your hand comes.....its like hitting lotto....

if we had some real kniggas on this board,

we could do something like that up here......

using cash app or paypal.....

but there are only a few folks I KNOW you could

trust...

up here..
If you and a few bruhs here are knowledgeable about how it works and set a screening process for members here who are new or unfamiliar, I'm down for trying something like this.
 
Susu is legit since you get what you put in just in a lump sum, the flower, blessing loom ect is a pyramid scheme, fully illegal and impossible to sustain , if you do the math you run out of humans that you would need to keep it going after about ten cycles. remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Not only is it a scam but if you’re getting friends in and they’re getting their friends in you’re fucking over the people further do
This is absolutely a Ponzi Scheme. For the initial 8 on the outside of the “loom” to receive their payout, each has to recruit 8 people, those 8 have to recruit 8 individually, and the eight they recruit have to recruit 8 more each. That is a recruitment of 4,096 people for the initial group (that paid in) to receive their pay out. The odds get far worse from there. For the 10th generation to all receive payment you will need 1,073,741,824 people recruited or payments made.
As in any pyramid scheme, your chance of recieving the payout goes exponentially down, and after 5 more generations you need 35,184,372,088,832 entries to guarantee payout. This is untenable and has been illegal for a long time.





 
it doesnt require new people every week from u but the system or flower ure plugged into , so ur responsiblity to teh integrity of teh flower structure requires u to bring in 2 ppl ! thats it !

way i looked at it , if i cant find 2 ppl in my phone bank of patnaz i rock with to join in then we really aint about sharing the money anyway, then the resources we think we have arent real!

the key is to bring in 2 BLACK PEOPLE who are committed to the group economics, it it easy NO! is it doable YES is it profitable ? YES
So you’re suggesting that we fuck over black people directly. Nice. This is a ponzi sheen and mathematicaly unsustainable, you’re making money by fucking Simeon down the line.
 
So you’re suggesting that we fuck over black people directly. Nice. This is a ponzi sheen and mathematicaly unsustainable, you’re making money by fucking Simeon down the line.
how did u come to that conclusion? i want to see Black people pool resources and gift each other so we can save and build communal financial resources. its not forced or forcing anyone and its pretty laid out clearly, there a re no hidden fees or hidden surprise surchages, i listened to couple podcasts and watched a few videos, its really simple math of group economics and honesty, upfront puttin in the work

can the system be scammed ? YES
is it a scam depends on ur "flower" (the people in ur flower circle)
if everyone involved is solid then the circle continues infinitely becos everyone will want to restart a new flower (to lift other folks)to keep the momentum
 
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Susu is legit since you get what you put in just in a lump sum, the flower, blessing loom ect is a pyramid scheme, fully illegal and impossible to sustain , if you do the math you run out of humans that you would need to keep it going after about ten cycles. remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Not only is it a scam but if you’re getting friends in and they’re getting their friends in you’re fucking over the people further do
This is absolutely a Ponzi Scheme. For the initial 8 on the outside of the “loom” to receive their payout, each has to recruit 8 people, those 8 have to recruit 8 individually, and the eight they recruit have to recruit 8 more each. That is a recruitment of 4,096 people for the initial group (that paid in) to receive their pay out. The odds get far worse from there. For the 10th generation to all receive payment you will need 1,073,741,824 people recruited or payments made.
As in any pyramid scheme, your chance of recieving the payout goes exponentially down, and after 5 more generations you need 35,184,372,088,832 entries to guarantee payout. This is untenable and has been illegal for a long time.






Facts. its almost like religion. If someone believes it I don’t try to persuade them, just don’t come at me with it or then we gon’ get into it. It’s an emotional sell that truly takes people’s minds and then the logic/math is ridiculed.
 
how did u come to that conclusion? i want to see Black people pool resources and gift each other so we can save and build communal financial resources. its not forced or forcing anyone and its pretty laid out clearly, there a re no hidden fees or hidden surprise surchages, i listened to couple podcasts and watched a few videos, its really simple math of group economics and honesty, upfront puttin in the work

can the system be scammed ? YES
is it a scam depends on ur "flower" (the people in ur flower circle)
if everyone involved is solid then the circle continues infinitely becos everyone will want to restart a new flower (to lift other folks)to keep the momentum
No, you’re just plain wrong. There is no possible way to sustain the model without constantly recruiting, Eventually you run out of people(like on the planet) and the whole thing collapses, post any math that says otherwise and I’ll entertain another post. You’ve drunk the kool-aid, I get it times are shitty and anything to help makes a great deal of difference. That’s exactly what they use to scam you. I repeat there is zero/zilch way to sustain the flower scam. I posted links to government websites, math, and you can do like 5 minutes of googling to see that you got got, learn instead of fighting and loosing money or scamming others out of money(I know it’s not intentional but ultimately people get fucked) it is also illegal and people have been charged and prosecuted. A true susu you make no money, it’s a way to save large sums of money over time by being held responsible by a group. But good luck and stop scamming folks
 
Facts. its almost like religion. If someone believes it I don’t try to persuade them, just don’t come at me with it or then we gon’ get into it. It’s an emotional sell that truly takes people’s minds and then the logic/math is ridiculed.
Shit is just like Avon or any other MLM scam, they have talks and slogans prepared to combat any logic and make you feel like people are just “hating”
 
No, you’re just plain wrong. There is no possible way to sustain the model without constantly recruiting, Eventually you run out of people(like on the planet) and the whole thing collapses, post any math that says otherwise and I’ll entertain another post. You’ve drunk the kool-aid, I get it times are shitty and anything to help makes a great deal of difference. That’s exactly what they use to scam you. I repeat there is zero/zilch way to sustain the flower scam. I posted links to government websites, math, and you can do like 5 minutes of googling to see that you got got, learn instead of fighting and loosing money or scamming others out of money(I know it’s not intentional but ultimately people get fucked) it is also illegal and people have been charged and prosecuted. A true susu you make no money, it’s a way to save large sums of money over time by being held responsible by a group. But good luck and stop scamming folks
my statement remain same, its math and as far sustainability , u never really run out of entrees if u re-enter , u simple recycle to keep the cycle going if u have a strong group of partners, once again the integrity of the structure lies with its members, but i do get ur point of scams
 
Everybody doing this now.
Da Walsh ain't doin dat shit bruh. :smh:

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it doesnt require new people every week from u but the system or flower ure plugged into , so ur responsiblity to teh integrity of teh flower structure requires u to bring in 2 ppl ! thats it !

way i looked at it , if i cant find 2 ppl in my phone bank of patnaz i rock with to join in then we really aint about sharing the money anyway, then the resources we think we have arent real!

the key is to bring in 2 BLACK PEOPLE who are committed to the group economics, it it easy NO! is it doable YES is it profitable ? YES
Bruh stop it. :lol:
 
my statement remain same, its math and as far sustainability , u never really run out of entrees if u re-enter , u simple recycle to keep the cycle going if u have a strong group of partners, once again the integrity of the structure lies with its members, but i do get ur point of scams
if you re-enter....

If there are 12 flowers, 12 people get paid, the flower splits into 24 flowers.....my bruh you have to recruit 192 people including those 12 who just got paid and re-entered.
 
This shit sounds like winning the pot in fantasy football. I guess it can work with people who know each other and are close. Like one poster said, he did it with a few people at his job and they contribute $50.00 and get $600 every few weeks. I guess that can work. I ain’t doing it though. I would rather invest traditionally. Let me take that back, if my close friends wanted to do it, I would do it.
 
I just got done with a Zoom meeting for this flower shit and within 5 minutes that shit smelled like a scam. My boy sent me the link for the meeting because he knows I don’t fuck with the bullshit MLM’s and get-rich-quick shit at all and he was interested.
So the lady opens up about faith and god and generational wealth(the new scammer catch phrase) so I already was like this gone be some bullshit. My boy is big into church so I knew that’s probably the angle that got him interested.
After 5 minutes the lady opens it up for questions. I get straight to the point.
Me: @How extra money get generated after the first 21 days.”
She dances around the question(which I already know the answer to(more people). I follow-up with another question.
“Well if it’s all contingent on a strong base, what if someone gets to the 3rd level and takes their $60k without giving back the $12k for the next person?”

She’s gets on some, “oh, that’s why we say only invite family and people you trust.”

I follow-up again, “ but what happens if somebody does break the cycle, dies even?”

Her: “Well we wish that person well and no hard feelings and keep it moving”

Me: Yeah, but somebody still needs PAY that $12k!!!

Her: Oh I like you Julian!

Me: BITCH!( In my head)

Her: Somebody is gonna pay for that spot because the people above who’ve already made to the next level know the value so they’ll pay the $12k to get that spot.

Me: That’s all I need to know, thanks.

The rest of the shit went in one ear and out the other. I texted my boy before the meeting was over and told him don’t do this nonsense.
The crazy thing is the SuSu has been around because I remember my parents used to do it, but they called it Pardoner Money or Partner Money(I forget). It was all my folks’ Jamaican friends/fam and I remember people coming to the house with cash when it was my mom or dad’s time to collect and them always complaining about somebody not paying on time. So I call my pops and ask him about it and he’s like stay away from it. He told me how my grandmother used to do it way back when in Jamaica. He said to stay away from it because you need a very trustworthy group to do it. In a nutshell, you’re keeping your own money from yourself. It’s compulsory saving without the interest. This is for undisciplined savers(which are most people to be honest), but you’re not gaining anything. Grow a spine and susu with a your damn self. :cool:
 

Illegal pyramid schemes are on the rise during the pandemic


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Eliza Briscoe was told that all she had to do was put up $500 and bring in two additional people who would each contribute the same amount of money. In a little more than four weeks, she would get $4,000 in return.

Like so many others being recruited for a “sou-sou,” Briscoe was nearly duped into a pyramid scheme.
It’s hard not to be sold on the altruistic and cultural backstory of the sou-sou, also known as “Susu,” “blessing loom” or “gifting circle.” Promoters pitch the sou-sou as a common practice among Caribbean and African immigrants as a way to help their businesses grow. Briscoe was told she would be helping other Black folks, some of whom may have lost their jobs because of the coronavirus.

“It seemed like it was legal,” said the Maryland resident, who reached out to me as part of her due diligence research. “I didn’t want to bring anybody in unless I knew for sure, because I didn’t want anybody to lose their money.”
Some black promoters of illegal pyramid schemes are using the Black Lives Matter movement to justify 'sou-sou' scams
For the past several weeks, members of my church, friends, neighbors and readers have asked me about the legitimacy of a “sou-sou” or similar schemes, in which they are promised that if they put up $100 in some cases, or $500 in others, in a month or two they would get a return eight times their cash outlay.
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But despite assurances by promoters, these blessing, sou-sou, or gifting circles are illegal.
The hallmark of an unlawful pyramid centers on two key things: an upfront entry fee with the expectation of a significant payout and the requirement to persuade two other people to join, who then must also bring in two more recruits. Eventually, the whole enterprise collapses, and the last folks coming in — the wide base of the pyramid — lose their money.

In the recruitment videos and materials I reviewed, promoters are specifically targeting Black participants, but it’s widespread in other communities, too. Personal, church or work relationships are exploited. The schemes involved different groups composed of 15 people divided into four levels: one at the top or center, two on a second level, four on the third, and eight at the bottom. In one version, the incoming eight participants each send $500 — $4,000 total — to the person at the top through PayPal, Venmo or some other cash app.
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The sou-sou can appear to be a success because early participants share testimonies of their substantial gains. Weekly conference calls serve to rally people with motivational presentations about how their involvement will help build wealth in the Black community.
“Just don’t do it,” Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh said in an interview. “Think about it. How is it possible for everybody to get $4,000? It is a crime to be part of this and soliciting people for it. It also means that you’re putting your friends and family members at risk. There are way more victims than winners in these pyramid schemes.”
Structural racism helps schemers attract Blacks to fake ‘sou-sou’ scams
Frosh said his office has seen an uptick in pyramid schemes as the pandemic has resulted in massive job losses. The Better Business Bureau, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and many other state attorneys general have issued consumer alerts.
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In Maryland, establishing or promoting a pyramid scheme is considered a criminal offense that may result in a prison sentence of up to one year, a fine of up to $10,000, or both, according to the Maryland Attorney General’s Office.
“At a time like this, when there’s so much financial hardship, we see these and many other kinds of moneymaking schemes spreading like wildfire, especially on social media,” said Kati Daffan, an assistant director in the FTC’s division of marketing practices. “Schemes like this are illegal because they’re inherently harmful.”
Here’s another reason to avoid this scheme. You could be charged with tax fraud.
Briscoe said she was assured that once she got to the so-called “water level” on the pyramid-scheme hierarchy, the money she would receive was a “gift” under the IRS code, and therefore not taxable. But previous prosecution of gifting-circle promoters shows that’s not accurate.
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In 2013, a federal jury found two Connecticut women guilty of tax fraud for running a gifting circle and not paying taxes on their gains. The leader was eventually sentenced to 48 months in federal prison, the Hartford Courant reported.
Although not commenting directly about the sou-sou or gifting circles, IRS spokesman Eric Smith said that under federal tax law, all income is taxable unless specifically exempted.
“Calling something a gift doesn’t make it so,” Smith said. “In simplest terms, a true gift assumes that the giver doesn’t expect anything in return.”
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The very nature of the sou-sou or gifting pyramid scheme is that you put in money with the explicit expectation of receiving a large payoff.

“While it is true that the receipt of a gift is typically not considered taxable income, it may be difficult to make the argument that proceeds from an activity which may be illegal should be treated as gifts,” said Eric Bronnenkant, a certified public accountant and head of tax for Betterment.
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In tough times, it’s understandable how people are persuaded that there’s a foolproof way to make money.
“Many people find themselves in the 2020 bind, as it has become the year of very low interest rates and extraordinary stock-market volatility,” Bronnenkant said. “Some individuals do not like either of those options and have been looking elsewhere. That elsewhere can, unfortunately, end up in a potentially illegal activity.”

Not persuaded to avoid this scheme on legal grounds? Then look at it spiritually. People promoting this scheme have been targeting fellow churchgoers, but one religious leader has a warning.
“Don’t get involved,” said John K. Jenkins, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Glenarden, where I worship. “Repeatedly, scriptures warn against seeking to get gain quickly. Proverbs 15:27 warns against 'greedy’ gain. It brings trouble to your home.”
Do the right thing and report this scam to your state attorneys general or notify the FTC at ftc.gov/complaint.
Even if participating in a sou-sou pyramid scheme doesn’t bring grief directly to your door, it eventually will for others, and that makes it a corrupt way to enrich yourself.
 
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