Super Delegates. We don't vote them in. But they represent 40%

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What role for Democratic 'super-delegates'?
Governors, senators, state chairs, and even Bill Clinton get automatic vote
By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
MSNBC
updated 3:58 a.m. PT, Thurs., April. 26, 2007

WASHINGTON - It’s called the Democratic Party, but one aspect of the party’s nominating process is at odds with grass-roots democracy.

Voters don’t choose the 842 unpledged “super-delegates” who comprise nearly 40 percent of the number of delegates needed to clinch the Democratic nomination. :eek::eek::eek:

The category includes Democratic governors and members of Congress, former presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, former vice president Al Gore, retired congressional leaders such as Dick Gephardt, and all Democratic National Committee members, some of whom are appointed by party chairman Howard Dean.

The Republicans do not have a similar super-delegate system.

These super-delegates don’t have superhuman powers, but unlike rank-and-file Democrats, they do automatically get to cast a vote at the convention to decide who the party’s nominee will be.

Although dubbed “unpledged” in Democratic Party lingo, the super-delegates are free to come out before their state’s primary and pledge to support one of the presidential contenders.

On Tuesday Maryland Sen. Barbara Mikulski announced she was supporting Sen. Hillary Clinton and three weeks ago, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine declared that he's also backing her. These aren't mere endorsements; these are actual votes putting Clinton two steps closer to the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination.

Why the 'super-delegate' system?
Why did the party adopt this partly undemocratic system?

Super-delegates were supposed to supply some Establishment stability to the nominating process.

Before 1972, party elders, such as Chicago Mayor Richard Daley and Charlie Buckley, the boss of The Bronx who helped John Kennedy clinch the 1960 nomination, wielded inordinate power.


But in early 1970’s, the party’s rules were reformed to open the process to grass-roots activists, women, and ethnic minorities.

Sen. George McGovern, the leading anti-Vietnam war liberal, won the 1972 nomination. McGovern turned out to be a disaster as a presidential candidate, winning only one state and the District of Columbia.

So without reverting to the days of party bosses like Buckley, the Democrats decided to guarantee that elected officials would have a bigger voice in the nomination.

On the ballot with the candidate
“There was a belief that they would not want candidates who were dramatically out of sync with the rest of the party — particularly if these were people who were going to have to run on the same ticket with them,” says Northeastern University political scientist William Mayer, who has written extensively on the nomination process.

There were, Mayer says, two motives in giving elected officials a big voice in the nomination.

“One was not to get (ideologically) extreme candidates;
the other was to avoid the Jimmy Carter phenomenon — where you had a guy who was not very experienced and not very well regarded by most of his fellow governors, but nevertheless managed to win the party’s nomination,” Mayer said.

Posters note: This is what Obama could run into. The so called Jimmy Carter phenomenon. If those white bosses determine Obama is unelectable for any reason, Super Delegates will steal the process.

“It’s a very important system because you have people who have a serious, serious stake in the outcome participating in the convention,” said Democratic National Committee member Elaine Kamarck, who teaches at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government.

Serving as 'safety valve'

Kamarck sees the super-delegates as a “sort of safety valve” so that, for instance, “if the convention’s platform committee is adopting something that would be really detrimental in the general election,” the party leaders can take steps to prevent that from happening.

But “it is very difficult to argue” that the super-delegate system “has consequences, unintended or intended,” said Mayer.

The only year when they may have an impact was in 1984, he said. The loyalty of Democratic elected officials probably helped Walter Mondale survive an unexpectedly strong challenge from Sen. Gary Hart who had beaten Mondale in New Hampshire and other primaries.

“The super-delegates clearly gave him his majority and helped him wrap up the nomination earlier,” Mayer said.

Evidence of momentum
Building the appearance of momentum and inevitability is why Clinton and her rivals will gradually be unveiling their endorsements by super-delegates.

Howard Dean's momentum appeared unstoppable in the first weeks of 2004. Super-delegate Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa said emotionally a few days before his state's caucuses, "In my entire adult lifetime, I have never seen anyone broaden our party and bring people in and excite young people... like Governor Howard Dean." It was powerful testimony from a hard-nosed politician.

Dean had amassed the most super-delegates before the Iowa caucuses. But many had buyer's remorse and some abandoned him once he finished a weak third in Iowa.

Democratic powerbroker (and super-delegate) Gerald McEntee, head of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, who had thrown his union behind Dean in November 2003, announced two weeks after Dean's loss in New Hampshire that he was abandoning him.

Dean loses super-delegates
In the two weeks following the Iowa caucuses, 36 of 132 Dean's super-delegates peeled away from him; while John Kerry's tally jumped from 74 to 102.

Other super-delegates who had delayed endorsing jumped on Kerry's bandwagon.

In next year's contest, could a candidate amass a stockpile of super-delegates, survive disappointing showings in early primaries, and go on to win the nomination? That seems unlikely.

“Do the super-delegates have the capacity to resist the choice of the overwhelming majority of primary voters and caucus participants? The answer, I think, is a clear ‘No,’” said Mayer. :cool:

Nevertheless, there’s a romantic streak in some political junkies who fantasize about a scenario in which the nomination could still be in doubt at the end of the primary season.

That hasn't happened in either party in 30 years.

In that scenario, perhaps party heavyweights would line up votes at the convention to swing the nomination to one of the contenders, or to a dark horse.

© 2007 MSNBC Interactive

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18277678/

-VG
 
Super Delegates? Why?

I believe the democractic primary will come down to Super Delegates. Someone with some insight please explain how these fuckers get so much decisive power in a so called Democracy?

Even though I think having regular delegates is unnecessary, I can almost see the logic behind it. Super Delegates on the other hand is some total bullshit.

Why? Why? Why?
 
Re: Super Delegates? Why?

I believe the democractic primary will come down to Super Delegates. Someone with some insight please explain how these fuckers get so much decisive power in a so called Democracy?

Even though I think having regular delegates is unnecessary, I can almost see the logic behind it. Super Delegates on the other hand is some total bullshit.

Why? Why? Why?

Good question, but first I must correct you. The united States in not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. And be glad about that, because in a democracy, the unpopular can easily be made illegal.

As for the "Super Delegate", thay have been for some time, and they pretty much legislated themselves in. I'll get some sites for you in a few. Stay curious.
 
Re: Super Delegates? Why?

Thanks for the links. They explained how the system works, but not "why". I've never been big on politics before this election. All I know is that IF Obama loses due to this superdelegate nonsense in August, I will probably never have any interest politics again.

I don't understand how we, as Americans, accept this. It's the same Washington Good Ole Boy system that Obama has been talking about. His talk of this kind of thing is what got me interested in the first place. I'm counting on this guy to make politics more sensible.

He might. Clinton will not. I'm willing to give "might" a shot.
 
Re: Super Delegates? Why?

Thanks for the links. They explained how the system works, but not "why". I've never been big on politics before this election. All I know is that IF Obama loses due to this superdelegate nonsense in August, I will probably never have any interest politics again.

I don't understand how we, as Americans, accept this. It's the same Washington Good Ole Boy system that Obama has been talking about. His talk of this kind of thing is what got me interested in the first place. I'm counting on this guy to make politics more sensible.

He might. Clinton will not. I'm willing to give "might" a shot.

Short answer - Politics is the usually about the accumulation of power by convincing people to give it to you. In any society, there has been jostling over power. IMO, it's the proxy for having the prime hunting lands. It's human nature to look to control your enviroment.

And stay involved even if it does not turn out the way you want it to. Sometimes you have to fight a battle more than once to win it.
 
This is why I became an independent a long time ago. Jimmy Carter got very little support from the democratic congress and senate, despite what revisionist history would say. If Obama is the nominee and the super delegates decide to anoint Hillary, first time voters are going to be pissed!

BTW, Barbara Mikulski is the biggest DLC shill there is!
 
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Obama's in a tight race...Step up your super delegate knowledge

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8353.html

Dems head for messy nomination process
By: Roger Simon
February 6, 2008 09:25 AM EST

The Democrats may be heading for a fine mess.

Because of party reforms in the past and a close race for delegates this year, a nightmare scenario is building for the Democratic National Convention in August: It is easy to imagine that Barack Obama could get to Denver with more pledged delegates than Hillary Clinton, but that she could get the nomination based on the votes of the superdelegates.

“And that,” a senior Obama aide told me Tuesday night, “would create havoc.”

Pledged delegates are those won in primaries and cacucuses. Superdelegates are party big-shots.

The Associated Press, CNN, CBS and a website called 2008 Democratic Convention Watch all disagree on exactly how the superdelegates are currently split.

But they all agree that Clinton has more of them than Obama, with hundreds still up for grabs.

Being a superdelegate is usually just a way of getting to go to the convention, cast a meaningless vote and have a good time.

But that could change this year.

And that’s because superdelegates make up one-fifth of all the delegates at the convention, and this year they could determine the nominee.
Why?

As Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson puts it: “The process is designed really to avoid picking a nominee rather than pick one.”

In other words, by banning winner-take-all contests and by awarding delegates on a proportional basis, the Democrats draw out the process.

They do this to be “fair” and to protect underdog candidates.

Usually it doesn’t matter. But this time it could because the pledged delegate race could be so close.

“We have a 15 pledged delegate lead going into tonight,” David Plouffe, Obama’s campaign manager, said on Super Tuesday evening.

(The number, with California still being counted, would grow to 43 according to the Obama campaign.)

“And with the superdelegates, we have made real progress. Before Iowa, Sen. Clinton had a lead over 100 to 120 and we have whittled that down to 55 by our count. A lot of [superdelegates] who chose Sen. Clinton, chose her last year. We think we will continue to do well.”

The system of superdelegates was invented not just to reward party fatcats, but to make sure “fairness” did not get out of hand.


Superdelegates are designed to protect front-runners and make sure dark horses don’t run away with things.

Superdelegates grow in number as the party gets more successful: They include all Democratic members of Congress, members of the Democratic National Committee, Democratic governors.

They also are the party warhorses and include [B]“all former Democratic presidents, all former Democratic vice presidents, all former Democratic leaders of the U.S. Senate, all former Democratic speakers of the U.S. House of Representatives and Democratic minority leaders, as applicable, and all former chairs of the Democratic National Committee.” [/B]

This means that not only Bill Clinton, but Terry McAuliffe, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, are superdelegates.

And their votes count just as much as the delegates chosen by actual primary voters.

But what happens if the margin of victory at the convention is the superdelegates. Is that the the way the party really will choose a nominee?

By letting the big-shots pick the winner?

Instead, there could be a huge floor flight. The convention can make whatever rules it wants, and I am guessing there would be a fight to bar the superdelegates and accept the votes of only the pledged delegates.

And then there is the problem of Florida and Michigan, whose delegates, both pledged and superdelegates, are currently banned.

The Clinton campaign has announced it wants them to count.

“There is a role for superdelegates as per the rules of our party, and they are not rules that we set,” Wolfson of the Clinton campaign said.

“We will play under rules we are given. [But] we believe the delegates from Michigan and Florida ought to be seated.

But how do you really do that? In Michigan, Hillary Clinton was the only name on the Democratic ballot.

In Florida, Democratic candidates were banned from campaigning.

Are the Democrats really going to seat them if they could make the difference in who wins and who loses?

As I said, a fine mess. Which, quite possibly, could lead to something we are not used to: a convention that is more than just a TV show whose ending we know in advance.

TM & © THE POLITICO & POLITICO.COM, a division of Allbritton Communications Company
 
Re: Obama's in a tight race...Step up your super delegate knowledge

I try to always think: there is a silver lining in every dark cloud.

If Obama should bring more delegates than Hillary to the convention and if, nevertheless, the superdelegates go with Hillary, what would become of the relationship between us and the democratic party??? Think about it. This could be the break we need. ;) :D

QueEx
 
Re: Super Delegates? Why?

Super delegates were created primarily to give party insiders and elected officials more say in who the nominee would be and to break any deadlocks should no nominee be decided upon after multiple convention votes.

It all comes from the 1968 democratic convention fiasco when Humprhey won the nomination through backroom deals.The rules were changed to favor the votes of the floor delegates.there was a problem,they thought, with that system so they came up with the super delegate. At first their were few super delegates but in 1980 I believe they decided they needed more to counter balance the possibility that pledged delegates may try to nominate some nut case. If that happened then the supers could intervene. The other scenario was if no candidate got enough pledged delegates then the supers could break the dead lock. This scenario is what may happen this year.

I saw a good explanation on it the other day, if I come across it again I'll post it.
 
Re: Super Delegates? Why?

Thanks for the links. They explained how the system works, but not "why". I've never been big on politics before this election. All I know is that IF Obama loses due to this superdelegate nonsense in August, I will probably never have any interest politics again.

I don't understand how we, as Americans, accept this. It's the same Washington Good Ole Boy system that Obama has been talking about. His talk of this kind of thing is what got me interested in the first place. I'm counting on this guy to make politics more sensible.

He might. Clinton will not. I'm willing to give "might" a shot.

Sure those links explained why? Are you sure you want to know why or why are it still used?

-VG
 
Simple Explanation on Democratic Delegates Process

I been around politics for awhile, but this is a concise explantion of the Democratic side of the Delegate process. With every kind of Delegate defined and explained(i.e. pledged/unpledged/super)

courtesy of dailykos.com

A Brief Primer on Democratic Delegates
by DHinMI
Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:45:41 AM PST

Are you baffled about the delegate process for the Democrats? Don't worry, just about anyone who hasn't spent hours reading the bylaws of the Democratic National Committee is probably at least mildly perplexed. We'll have a more detailed explanation of the delegate process this weekend. In the meantime, here's a brief explanation of who the delegates are.

There are two kinds of delegates. About 80% of the 4,049 delegates currently allocated for the Denver convention are pledged delegates. Pledged delegates are those who are "pledged" to a candidate based on the candidate's performance in a state's nomination contest. Most states and territories have primaries, some have caucuses, and a few have hybrids or a state convention. 75% of a state's pledged delegates are allocated by Congressional district or similar boundary, with the remaining 25% allocated in proportion to the statewide results. [This is for states with more than one Congressional district.]

Republicans award delegates on a winner-take-all basis, usually by the entire state, although some places award delegates based upon winners of Congressional districts. Democrats, however, award pledged delegates in proportion to their share of the vote. If a candidate receives at least 15% of the vote in either a congressional district or statewide, he or she will receive at least one delegate from that jurisdiction. Because delegates are parceled out mostly by Congressional district, it is possible and not rare for a candidate who finishes second statewide to actually get more delegates than the candidate who won the state. What matters isn't just the number of votes, but also how they are distributed.

Each state party has a process for determining the actual individuals who serve as pledged delegates in Denver. Individuals submit their names to the state party and declare which candidate they would like to represent in Denver. Those names are vetted with the campaign so they can determine that these individuals are in fact supporters of their candidate. This is important, as there is nothing that binds the individuals, once at the convention, to vote for the candidate to whom they originally pledged their support. But since the campaigns vet the names, it's extremely rare for someone to not vote for the candidate to whom they originally pledged support.

Within a few months of the state's primary or caucus, the state party conducts a convention or a meeting of a leadership body and votes on the individual delegates. A state's delegation must have an equal balance of men and women, and the state's delegation must represent the state's racial mix.

The other 20% of the delegates in Denver will be unpledged delegates, who are often called "superdelegates." These people are not obligated to pledge support for anyone in advance of their arriving at the convention. Furthermore, just because someone publicly declares their support now for, say, Mike Gravel, nothing officially binds them to stick with that endorsement. Thus, anyone who now declares support for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama could show up at the convention and vote for someone else.

Many unpledged delegates are elected officials. All Democratic members of Congress and Democratic Senators are unpledged delegates. Democratic governors are unpledged delegates. Members of the Democratic National Committee are unpledged delegates. And a small number of "party elders" are unpledged delegates; this group includes former Democratic presidents and vice-presidents, former nominees for President, former Speakers of the House, Senate leaders, or minority leaders in the House or Senate, and past chairs of the Democratic National Committee.

File this away if you have to, because to make sense of our nominating contest, it's going to be crucial that you can make sense of the battle for delegates. The delegate count will determine our nominee, and that contest is fierce and will not be decided for quite some time.
 
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I'm still confused why the republicans are so involved in worrying about the Democratic Party’s process of choosing THEIR delegate. Take away the super delegate process and the democratic parties system is way fairer than the republican's. Democratics allot a system of proportionality to the winner, republics have a winner take all approach, which is the most undemocratic.
 
the super delegates are the party's "saftey net"

this is how i see the democratic nomination going...

someone will win the majority vote...but the super delegates will have the final say and vote according to who the party wants as thier person...not the people

i thought the concept of the super delegates is to vote in a way to reflect the people they represent...but i have a feeling lots wont vote that way

which i sad:smh:

its kinda like how the presidental ellection went last time
 
yes Obama has the big MO, and will keep it because his message is sincere, and Billary's is anything but. She is her own worst enemy. Every time she opens her mouth she loses more support. It's like watching the wicked witch of the west from the wizard of Oz... she's melting, melting, melting, and nothing can save her, no matter how many times she tries to change her image, message, delivery, wardrobe, hair-style, accent, campaign manager, etc., etc., not even the super delegates will save her. By the time they actually have to cast their vote, they will jump ship to Obama... what? You didn't know politicians could change their mind? Lol, watch and see.

Obama... proof that the American Dream is still alive. Congrats to Obama for his hard work, insight, persitence, and fearlessness. Congrats to the majority of US citizens for having "the audacity of hope" and still believing in ourselves and each other.

Obama 08!!!
 
I'm still confused why the republicans are so involved in worrying about the Democratic Party’s process of choosing THEIR delegate. Take away the super delegate process and the democratic parties system is way fairer than the republican's. Democratics allot a system of proportionality to the winner, republics have a winner take all approach, which is the most undemocratic.

But aren't elections "winner take all" in themselves ? It's not like the runner-up gets the VP slot anymore.

And taking away the Superdelegates and trying to gauge fairness is like saying to guy with a bullet in his head that besides the bullet, he's OK. It makes no sense. Why do you Socialcrats have such selective blindness ?
 
None of this is meant to be democratic, this is just a party process to pick the best candidate to win the election. Too much money is spent during the primaries, they should come up with some other way to shorten it up.

The democratic process begins with the presidential election.
 
Superdelegate Math Tutorial

http://www.obamaclock.com explains the ins and outs of the Democratic superdelegates, including the math, Michigan and Florida effects, and the sources to stay up-to-date on the superdelegate totals. Visit http://www.obamaclock.com
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Obama backer predicts victory in Hill war

By: Amie Parnes and Josephine Hearn
April 30, 2008 08:58 AM EST

Capitol Hill insiders say the battle for congressional superdelegates is over, and one Senate supporter of Barack Obama is hinting strongly that he has prevailed over Hillary Rodham Clinton.

While more than 80 Democrats in the House and Senate have yet to state their preferences in the race for the Democratic nomination, sources said Tuesday that most of them have already made up their minds and have told the campaigns where they stand.

“The majority of superdelegates I’ve talked to are committed, but it is a matter of timing,” said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). “They’re just preferring to make their decision public after the primaries are over. ... They would like someone else to act for them before they talk about it in the cold light of day.”

Obama currently holds an 18-13 lead among committed superdelegates in the Senate, while Clinton holds a 77-74 lead in the House. Asked which way the committed-but-unannounced superdelegates are leaning, McCaskill — who has endorsed Obama — said: “James Brown would say, ‘I Feel Good.’”

Not so fast, said Clinton spokesman Phil Singer.

“Considering the rough patch Sen. Obama is going through, it’s understandable that Sen. McCaskill would want to change the subject, but her observations don’t jibe with what automatic delegates are actually saying,” he said. “Most are concerned about Sen. Obama’s electability and are impressed by the fact that Sen. Clinton is winning the states that Democrats must carry if we are to be successful in November.”

Still, supporters of both Clinton and Obama say that the lobbying for congressional superdelegates seems to have decreased in recent weeks.

McCaskill said that the campaigns have all but given up on lobbying her Senate colleagues because they know their minds are made up.

Clinton backer Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) acknowledged that the lobbying is no longer as aggressive as it once was. “I think there’s a different touch now,” he said. “We’re staying engaged. Right now, it’s about making sure everyone still feels loved and wanted.”

Montana Sen. Jon Tester — one of the Democrats who has yet to commit publicly — said the campaigns “haven’t applied much pressure” of late. “I haven’t heard much, and it’s been a few weeks,” he said.

“All the low-hanging fruit has already been picked,” said one Democratic Senate aide. “The rest are waiting to see who the winner is or are doing what’s in their best interests. Most of the people that are remaining just don’t want to pick the wrong side.”

Uncommitted superdelegates have many reasons for waiting to announce their support publicly, but chief among them is a desire to preserve their options should their favored candidate suddenly tank.

Some of the uncommitted superdelegates are in tenuous electoral situations themselves, and they fear that they might lose a reelection fight if they miscalculate the presidential race. Still, these delegates follow the contest with the same enthusiasm of committed delegates, and they want to let their chosen campaigns know of their support. They will often place a courtesy call to the opposing campaign, a move that helps preserve a relationship while also ensuring that they won’t be lobbied further.

Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said Tuesday that he plans to remain uncommitted because of the fight to seat the Michigan delegates. He insisted that he’s still trying to decide who has “the best chance of winning” in November and that he honestly doesn’t know the answer yet.

Three weeks before his state votes in its primary, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) said he will remain on the sidelines in order to convince the candidates to take a harder look at his health care proposal.

Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) is also uncommitted. He said that he has received numerous letters criticizing his neutrality but that he and other House Democratic leaders decided early on to avoid taking sides in the potentially divisive contest.

“I’m doing what I think is in the best interest of the caucus,” he said.

Clyburn spoke to Politico just before Obama held a press conference Tuesday in which he repudiated comments his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made earlier this week. Clyburn did not downplay the dilemma the Wright episode has posed for Obama, but he said the candidate was “capable of meeting it.”

“Rev. Wright ought to be providing shoulders to stand on,” Clyburn said, “not be a part of any kneecapping operation that is taking place.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9968.html

-VG
 
Re: Obama backer predicts victory in Hill war

Good news! Or, is it?

I read (and posted) a story from the German news outlet "Speigel" which also predicts
Obama will prevail among the superdelegates and get the nomination. Unfortunately, it
also notes the "Bradley Effect" may spoil the fun. According to Speigel, voters may be
reacting to Obama as the did with Bradley, the Black mayor of Los Angeles who ran for
governor; lots of support in the polls, but behind the comfort and secrecy of the ballot
booth, they let Bradley down (and same for Obama, in November).

Hope not . . .

QueEx
 
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<font size="5"><center>Superdelegate Senators Assess '08 Race</font size><font size="4">
High-level meeting of 49 superdelegates
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ABC News
May 07, 2008 2:04 PM

ABC's Z. Byron Wolf Reports: There is a high-level meeting of 49 superdelegates going on behind closed doors right now.

It's the weekly party policy luncheon in the US Senate. And while there are a number of important legislative topics on the agenda (the war supplemental, a gas prices control bill, the farm bill and more) you can bet that last night's returns from Indiana and North Carolina are being discussed as senators queue up in the buffet line.

Going into the lunch, reporters asked senators for their assessments.

On his way to lunch, Sen. Teddy Kennedy, D-Mass, one of Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., high profile backers said the Democratic nomination seems to belong to the Illinois senator.

"I pay tribute to Senator Clinton. She has been making her case and doing it effectively, but the outcome is very clear as to what's for the Democratic nomination. It's effectively Barack Obama's nomination. Its pretty effectively sewed up and I don't see any possibility of altering or changing that inevitable fact," Kennedy said.

Full Story: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/superdelegate-s.html
 
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<font size="5"><center>The Democratic superdelegate shuffle
accelerates, to Barack Obama's benefit</font size></center>


Los Angeles Times
May 7, 2008

Maybe Barack Obama backers just decided to sleep in longer after Tuesday night's barnburner of a primary in Indiana.

The day's first movement by an undeclared Democratic superdelegate was into Hillary Clinton's camp. But Obama's team countered with three pickups, and according to the Associated Press he will gain another.

The trio of new supporters announced by Obama's campaign includes Democratic National Committee member Inola Henry of Los Angeles. More on her and the other two (both from North Carolina) can be gleaned here.

The fourth pickup, reported by the AP, will be especially gratifying for Obama -- Jennifer McClellan, a state lawmaker in Virginia, once had been a Clinton supporter.

A few days ago, McClellan was featured in a Washington Post story on the increasing pressure D.C.-area superdelegates were feeling to either make up their minds or change their allegiance. "This is the most stressful thing I've been through in my whole life," she told the paper. "It was never supposed to be like this."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/the-democratic.html
 
There is nothing democratic about a Presidential election. We live in a representative democracy, not a pure one. The ultimate goal of the Democratic party is to see a Democrat in the White House. If super delegates, who are mostly party insiders, feel that it is in the interest of the party to vote on the basis of their own judgment, then they are doing exactly what they are put there to do.
 
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It's about time for thoese superdelegates to lay it down
 
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<font size="4"><center>S. Fla. Superdelegate Commits To Backing Obama
4th Superdelegate to Go With Obama Today
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May 7, 2008

MIAMI -- One of South Florida's Democratic superdelegates has committed to backing Sen. Barack Obama in his bid for the presidency.

This was Hillary Clinton's last chance to impress superdelegates," Dan Gelber said. "It's unlikely she impressed them."

Gelber said he's certain about the outcome of the primary, and he's going to be backing Obama.

"We know now who the Democratic nominee is going to be," he said.


http://www.nbc6.net/politics/16191280/detail.html
 
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It's about time for those superdelegates to lay it down
LOL. I agree. From some of the comments I am reading regarding superdelegates, I think something major might be about to happen, soon.


QueEx
 
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<font size="4"><center>Congressman Payne, NJ superdelegate,</font size><font size="6">
switches from Clinton to Obama</font size></center>


by Robert Schwaneberg/The Star-Ledger
Friday May 09, 2008

Rep. Donald Payne (D-10th Dist.), a New Jersey superdelegate who had been supporting Hillary Clinton for president, has switched his allegiance to Barack Obama.

"After careful consideration, I have reached the conclusion that Barack Obama can best bring about the change that our country so desperately wants and needs," Payne told The Star-Ledger for today's editions. It was "one of the most difficult decisions I have made," Payne said. "I've really been mulling it over for quite a while."

With Payne's switch Obama has the backing of five of New Jersey's 20 superdelegates. Clinton has 11, including Gov. Jon Corzine; three are uncommitted and one who has backed Clinton is wavering.

By announcing his support for Obama now, Payne said he hopes to help unite the party so it can focus on defeating Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, in November.

"At this particular time we need to really unite behind one candidate," Payne said. "It's time now for us to pull our party together. The quicker it's over, the better we'll be able to bring all of our forces together."


Payne said he endorsed Clinton "early on," at a time when he did not know whether Obama's candidacy "was just a trial balloon." As Obama secured one victory after another, "I did certainly have a great deal of pride in the fact that an African-American would do so well," said Payne, who is African-American.

Payne called Clinton "a good friend" whom he holds "in high regard." He said he had "worked closely" with both Hillary Clinton and President Clinton, "especially with international activities in Africa and Haiti." He said Hillary Clinton "ran a very aggressive campaign" but he did not blame her -- as some have -- for injecting race into the campaign.


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<font size="5"><center>Obama Takes Lead in Superdelegate Tally</font size><font size="4">
Hillary Clinton Will Meet With Financial Backers Next Week</font size></center>


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By JAKE TAPPER
May 9, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama moved into the lead today in the last category that Sen. Hillary Clinton had claimed to have an edge -- support among the Democratic Party's superdelegates.

The Illinois Democrat grabbed the superdelegate lead thanks to a switch by New Jersey Rep. Donald Payne and an endorsement from previously uncommitted Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon.

Those two votes gave Obama a 267-266 lead over Clinton. That is a huge shift since the days when Clinton boasted about a 60-plus vote lead among the party's pros back on Super Tuesday.


<font size="3">Clinton Fights On, Obama Focuses on McCain</font size>

While the New York Democrat is refusing to concede defeat and is hoping a victory in Tuesday's West Virginia primary will keep her dwindling hopes alive, Obama is starting to focus instead on his Republican opponent John McCain.

ABC News' senior political correspondent George Stephanopoulos reported on "Good Morning America" that Obama's team is considering using some of his campaign cash to fund ads against the Arizona senator.

His camp is also planning to announce a 50-state registration rally this weekend, a tactic geared to a November election rather than the remaining Democratic primaries.

The rest of the Democratic Party, however, is struggling with how to end Clinton's challenge and worries that a last-ditch effort by Clinton could be damaging to Obama.

They were particularly unnerved by Clinton's comments earlier this week that appeared to be racially insensitive or racially calculated when she said, "Sen. Obama's support among working, hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening again."

"This is exactly the kind of talk that is going to make superdelegates nervous," Stephanopoulos said. "Most of the uncommitted superdelegates and party leaders like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi are willing to forgo pressuring her to get out of the race as long as the rhetoric stays in tact."


<font size="3">Panetta Calls for Clinton to Concede</font size>

Former top Clinton administration aide Leon Panetta told KGO TV in San Francisco, "It's pretty clear unless there's a bolt of lightning, Barack Obama is likely to win the Democratic nomination. She's put up a good fight and put up a good race, but I think there's a time now where she needs to concede and unify the party."

If Clinton decides to fight on, Panetta advised that she "should remain on issues, they shouldn't engage in personal attacks. … Whether the winner wins will depend an awful lot on how the loser loses."

There are indications that Clinton is taking a hard look at her options. She has scheduled a meeting Wednesday -- the day after the West Virginia primary -- with her campaign's major financial backers at her Washington mansion.

Stephanopoulos said there was also "lots of very quiet waltzing behind the scenes with intermediaries representing Sens. Clinton and Obama" to engineer a "dream ticket" with Clinton as Obama's vice president.

"I should say there's an expectation that Sen. Obama is reluctant to go down this road for a host of reasons, but others are making the case this is the most powerful ticket for the Democratic Party," Stephanopoulos reported.

For many Democrats, however, Conan O'Brien had it right.

In discussing the states where the two candidates were favored, the comedian quipped, "Hillary is favored in the state of denial."

ABC News' Karen Travers contributed to this report.

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