The fact that a child randomly punched someone in the face contradicts the opinion that the parents raised him well.
Stop blaming racism for the failure of black parents
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It means that some young teens/adults punched someone and until we know what the facts are, we don't know who to blame for their conduct, other than themselves.
It means that you reflexively blamed black parents without facts to support that conclusion.
Are you a black parent ???
Que, in addition to the fact that the child randomly punched someone in the face, there is also the fact that it was a child.
Just like I stated to thoughtone, most people recognize that children are not solely responsible for their behavior, good or bad. Especially when that behavior displays moral judgement.
Even in the Chicago gun threads I go out of my way to not blame the kids involved.
I grew up with many well-raised children that did stupid things. Those things embarrassed both the children and their parents, but the parents were not to blame, the children were. Some of those had become involved with bad elements and some of those did stupid things because they wanted to be viewed in a certain light by others. Blaming black parents, without a factual basis, is just as wrong as blaming racism, without a factual basis.
To insist upon blaming black parents, without some factual basis suggesting their culpability, is suggestive of some kind of hate of black parents.
Are you a black parent ???
To insist upon blaming black parents, without some factual basis suggesting their culpability, is suggestive of some kind of hate of black parents.
Are you a black parent ???
It's just easier to not blame the person who instilled the values.
And after 12 years of us being on this board together, it's on purpose if you don't know something about me.
Obviously. I was taught the difference between good or bad, and I didn't violate it no matter the various circumstances a child finds himself in. This isn't the same as always doing the right thing.
You shouldn't blame anyone, without some factual basis for doing so. Why would you anyone blame the parent without knowing anything about the particular parent-child relationship
I don't "know" anyone on these boards. I imagine we all make certain judgments one about the other based on what has been written, but the writings are so sketchy and one dimensional, they provide little insight into who we might really be.
Obviously? Perhaps. You could be a Black Cereal Killa, for all I know. But it does appear that you have a penchant for judging, without the facts and you have a propensity to pigeon-hole people based on your own ideological bent.
I cited facts, they just weren't important to you.You shouldn't blame anyone, without some factual basis for doing so. Why would you anyone blame the parent without knowing anything about the particular parent-child relationship
Yes, my "ideological bent" that people shouldn't go around initiating the use of force against others, whether it's with a fist or ballot box. God forbid that becomes a moral standard.
We're in agreement that people shouldn't go around initiating force against others -- but why you would support blaming other than the perpetrators, without proof, is just amazing.
First of all, we're not in agreement regarding the initiation of force. Every other post on this board should be evidence of that.
And as long as the perpetrator is a child, it's the norm to avoid putting all the blame on them. Whether it's by charging them as juveniles or expunging their records at 21. They generally don't face the same consquences for their actions that someone 40 would face.
You're the one conveniently going outside the norm by putting all the blame on the kids.
Okay, "I" believe its is wrong to initiate force without some provocation or justification. But you're free to believe differently.
You appear to be confusing concepts here: ]Blame (or, criminal responsibility) and Mitigation (or, a consideration of the factors which influenced the criminal conduct, which may lessen or relieve the charge or the punishment).
Very basically, if you commit the criminal act, you will be blamed. If you were suffering from some mental defect, if you were of a tender age, or you were influenced by someone or some circumstance -- those might be mitigating factors influencing what you might be charged with and what punishment might ultimately be meted out.
- From the "Knockout" articles above, it appears that some young people (the term children may or may not apply) struck some unsuspecting victims causing harm. Who ever threw the cowardly punch, committed a criminal act; and
- The "Knockout" story that I read above didn't provide any details about their upbringing, so it would be pure guess or surmise at this point to make any judgment at all over what may have influenced their conduct, hence, at THIS stage, saying racism or failed parenting was a factor -- is just plain conclusion not based in fact.
But, if you say their parents are at fault here, that's fine with me. But don't get bent the fuck outta shape because I disagree with blaming the parents without some proof of their failure.
If you don't see how this is wrong; then you probably just don't want to be right. But that can happen when you're pigeon-holing.
I don't know how I'm getting bent out of shape since I've already pointed out your blame and mitigation in an earlier post. I acknowledge their crimes while pointing out they are children which is why it shouldn't be promoted they are totally at fault for their actions.
Now it's my turn to treat you like a moron. This thread, while "blaming" black parents, never once promoted they should also be criminally liable for the particular crimes. Saying black parents are also responsible doesn't automatically imply the law should see them that way, but it does imply that the community should acknowledge a bad parent's role in their children's action.
Once again, a child punched a random person in the face. The person who is acknowledged to be responsible for instilling values in that child failed.
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Viral video of toddler cursing: Some see racism in police comments
Viral video of toddler cursing: Some see racism in police comments
The Omaha Police Officers Association's handling of a viral video of a toddler spotlights the troubled relationship between the local police force and minority communities, the ACLU says.
By Elizabeth Barber | Christian Science Monitor
Thu, Jan 9, 2014
A toddler seen babbling a litany of obscenities while adults goaded him on in a video that went viral has been taken into protective custody, police in Omaha, Neb., said on Wednesday. But while the video itself has generated plenty of commentary, a civil rights group says the police union's handling of the incident spotlights a troubled relationship between the local police force and minority communities, as well as bears possible racist undertones.
In the video, an African-American toddler wearing just a diaper pushes over a chair, waves his middle finger, and repeats the obscenities and racial slurs that adult male and female voices, heard in the background, encourage him to say. The adults laugh each time the child parrots the profanities.
The video was first posted on the Facebook page of a man that the Omaha Police Officers Association (OPOA) called “a local thug.” It went viral when the police union reposted the video, under the title the “Thug Cycle,” on its website and Facebook page, calling the “heartbreaking and sickening footage” an example of the “terrible cycle of violence and thuggery” that local police officers battle.
“Now while we didn’t see anything in this video that is blatantly ‘illegal,’ ” the union wrote, “we sure did see a lot that is flat out immoral and completely unhealthy for this little child from a healthy upbringing standpoint.”
Viewers reacted to the video with outrage – but not just at the adults egging the child on. They also had vitriol for the police union that had reposted the video.
Commentators on the postings and the American Civil Liberties Union of Nebraska said this week that the union’s description of the video – in particular its use of the word “thug” to describe the video’s original poster – have put stress on an already-bitter relationship between the city’s minority communities and a police department that has been beset over the past few years with allegations of racism and abuse.
The episode comes just days after the ACLU filed a lawsuit against 32 Omaha police officers, alleging that they had used excessive force against a local African-American family while responding to a parking incident last spring. An internal investigation of the incident, in which a woman was allegedly thrown from her wheelchair and handcuffed, has so far resulted in the firing of four of the officers, and criminal charges have been brought against two of them.
“At a time when the Omaha Police Department is facing a lawsuit from the ACLU over racially-biased misconduct, it is very disconcerting to have the Officers Association use such racially charged language,” said Becki Brenner, executive director of the ACLU of Nebraska, in a statement provided to the Monitor.
“The manner in which the Officers Association has discussed this incident has done nothing but further erode community trust and reinforce the need for independent oversight, trainings, and other reforms,” she said.
A year earlier, the ACLU had asked the Department of Justice to conduct a federal review of police practices in Omaha, alleging that a string of reports of police abuses suggested that the department had “failed to police itself,” the ACLU said.
Police Chief Todd Schmaderer said in a statement Tuesday that there is a distinction between the union, which posted the video, and the police force and that the comments on the video do not reflect the Police Department’s views.
"I want to make it explicit and clear that the views expressed on the OPOA Facebook page do not necessarily reflect the official stance of the Omaha Police Department," Chief Schmaderer said. "I strongly disagree with any postings that may cause a divide in our community or an obstacle to police community relations."
The union has not removed the postings and later posted a blog defending its use of the word “thug,” arguing that the term is not freighted with racist connotations. The word is used by people “of all colors, races and socioeconomic classes to describe anti-social, non-law abiding folks of all colors, races and socioeconomic classes,” the union said.
It also posted a public-service video on its blog called “Children See, Children Do,” in which young children mimic the violent actions and language of their parents.
“If we don’t understand it, we are doomed to continue to repeat it,” the union wrote under the video. “That’s how troubling cycles work.”
The toddler in the video was one of four children in that home taken into the care of state protective services, police said. A determination has not yet been made about future actions, a spokesman for the Omaha Police Department said on Thursday morning. CNN first reported that turn in the case.
http://news.yahoo.com/viral-video-toddler-cursing-see-racism-police-comments-213220180.html
Viral video of toddler cursing: Some see racism in police comments
The Omaha Police Officers Association's handling of a viral video of a toddler spotlights the troubled relationship between the local police force and minority communities, the ACLU says.
By Elizabeth Barber | Christian Science Monitor
Thu, Jan 9, 2014
A toddler seen babbling a litany of obscenities while adults goaded him on in a video that went viral has been taken into protective custody, police in Omaha, Neb., said on Wednesday. But while the video itself has generated plenty of commentary, a civil rights group says the police union's handling of the incident spotlights a troubled relationship between the local police force and minority communities, as well as bears possible racist undertones.
In the video, an African-American toddler wearing just a diaper pushes over a chair, waves his middle finger, and repeats the obscenities and racial slurs that adult male and female voices, heard in the background, encourage him to say. The adults laugh each time the child parrots the profanities.
The video was first posted on the Facebook page of a man that the Omaha Police Officers Association (OPOA) called “a local thug.” It went viral when the police union reposted the video, under the title the “Thug Cycle,” on its website and Facebook page, calling the “heartbreaking and sickening footage” an example of the “terrible cycle of violence and thuggery” that local police officers battle.
“Now while we didn’t see anything in this video that is blatantly ‘illegal,’ ” the union wrote, “we sure did see a lot that is flat out immoral and completely unhealthy for this little child from a healthy upbringing standpoint.”
Viewers reacted to the video with outrage – but not just at the adults egging the child on. They also had vitriol for the police union that had reposted the video.
Commentators on the postings and the American Civil Liberties Union of Nebraska said this week that the union’s description of the video – in particular its use of the word “thug” to describe the video’s original poster – have put stress on an already-bitter relationship between the city’s minority communities and a police department that has been beset over the past few years with allegations of racism and abuse.
The episode comes just days after the ACLU filed a lawsuit against 32 Omaha police officers, alleging that they had used excessive force against a local African-American family while responding to a parking incident last spring. An internal investigation of the incident, in which a woman was allegedly thrown from her wheelchair and handcuffed, has so far resulted in the firing of four of the officers, and criminal charges have been brought against two of them.
“At a time when the Omaha Police Department is facing a lawsuit from the ACLU over racially-biased misconduct, it is very disconcerting to have the Officers Association use such racially charged language,” said Becki Brenner, executive director of the ACLU of Nebraska, in a statement provided to the Monitor.
“The manner in which the Officers Association has discussed this incident has done nothing but further erode community trust and reinforce the need for independent oversight, trainings, and other reforms,” she said.
A year earlier, the ACLU had asked the Department of Justice to conduct a federal review of police practices in Omaha, alleging that a string of reports of police abuses suggested that the department had “failed to police itself,” the ACLU said.
Police Chief Todd Schmaderer said in a statement Tuesday that there is a distinction between the union, which posted the video, and the police force and that the comments on the video do not reflect the Police Department’s views.
"I want to make it explicit and clear that the views expressed on the OPOA Facebook page do not necessarily reflect the official stance of the Omaha Police Department," Chief Schmaderer said. "I strongly disagree with any postings that may cause a divide in our community or an obstacle to police community relations."
The union has not removed the postings and later posted a blog defending its use of the word “thug,” arguing that the term is not freighted with racist connotations. The word is used by people “of all colors, races and socioeconomic classes to describe anti-social, non-law abiding folks of all colors, races and socioeconomic classes,” the union said.
It also posted a public-service video on its blog called “Children See, Children Do,” in which young children mimic the violent actions and language of their parents.
“If we don’t understand it, we are doomed to continue to repeat it,” the union wrote under the video. “That’s how troubling cycles work.”
The toddler in the video was one of four children in that home taken into the care of state protective services, police said. A determination has not yet been made about future actions, a spokesman for the Omaha Police Department said on Thursday morning. CNN first reported that turn in the case.
http://news.yahoo.com/viral-video-toddler-cursing-see-racism-police-comments-213220180.html
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Teen Playing ‘Knockout Game’
Gets Shot by Victim
A 17-year-old playing a “game” that attacks unsuspecting
victims ends up shot twice and serving a year in prison.
He had no idea that he was the target in the "knockout game," in which a group of young men prey on an unsuspecting victim and attempt to knock them out while videotaping the attack to post later on the Internet.
Marvell Weaver, 17, approached the man and, instead of punching him, tried to take him down with a Taser.
"He shoved something into my side. I wasn't sure what it was. It had some force to it. I wasn't sure if it was a knife or a gun," said the victim.
The Taser didn't work, and that is when the victim, who is licensed to carry a gun, took out a .40-caliber pistol and shot Weaver, hitting him once in the leg and once an inch away from the teen's spine.
Weaver was sentenced to a year in jail for the attack.
"It was just a lesson learned," he told the news station. "I wish I hadn't played the game at all."
Before Weaver was caught, he says that he and his friends had attacked random people on several occasions.
"Not many, six or seven. It wouldn't be an everyday game, just a certain game to be played on certain days. You don't even try to rob them or anything. That's the game," said Weaver, speaking to the news station from prison.
Weaver says it's not gang related and that teens are playing it because they're bored. Plus, they've been seeing others doing it and getting away with it on the Internet.
"There's a price to pay if they wind up doing it. A good example is Marvell Weaver," said Lansing police officer Robert Merritt told the news station.
"What they tried to do to me wouldn't have been a joke if they would've succeeded," Weaver's victim told the news station. "My child would've been left with the aftermath of seeing her father in any type of way I would've been left."
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Teen Playing ‘Knockout Game’
Gets Shot by Victim
A 17-year-old playing a “game” that attacks unsuspecting
victims ends up shot twice and serving a year in prison.
He had no idea that he was the target in the "knockout game," in which a group of young men prey on an unsuspecting victim and attempt to knock them out while videotaping the attack to post later on the Internet.
Marvell Weaver, 17, approached the man and, instead of punching him, tried to take him down with a Taser.
"He shoved something into my side. I wasn't sure what it was. It had some force to it. I wasn't sure if it was a knife or a gun," said the victim.
The Taser didn't work, and that is when the victim, who is licensed to carry a gun, took out a .40-caliber pistol and shot Weaver, hitting him once in the leg and once an inch away from the teen's spine.
Weaver was sentenced to a year in jail for the attack.
"It was just a lesson learned," he told the news station. "I wish I hadn't played the game at all."
Before Weaver was caught, he says that he and his friends had attacked random people on several occasions.
"Not many, six or seven. It wouldn't be an everyday game, just a certain game to be played on certain days. You don't even try to rob them or anything. That's the game," said Weaver, speaking to the news station from prison.
Weaver says it's not gang related and that teens are playing it because they're bored. Plus, they've been seeing others doing it and getting away with it on the Internet.
"There's a price to pay if they wind up doing it. A good example is Marvell Weaver," said Lansing police officer Robert Merritt told the news station.
"What they tried to do to me wouldn't have been a joke if they would've succeeded," Weaver's victim told the news station. "My child would've been left with the aftermath of seeing her father in any type of way I would've been left."
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Baltimore poised to impose strict new youth curfew
Baltimore poised to impose strict new youth curfew
By Ian Simpson
July 30, 2014 8:20 AM
BALTIMORE (Reuters) - City officials in crime-ridden Baltimore on Tuesday defended plans for one of the toughest U.S. youth curfews against criticism from residents who were skeptical about police enforcement of the new law.
In a forum with residents, Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said the measure, set to take effect on Aug. 8, was aimed at getting children off the streets before they were put in danger.
"This is not about criminalizing young black children but to reach them before the only option for them is law enforcement," the mayor told the crowd of about 100 people.
Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said he had sometimes come across children riding bicycles across the city at 3 a.m. When the parents were contacted, they had no idea where their children were, he said.
"They should not be out there, and you should be honest about that," Batts said.
The new curfew in Baltimore, the setting for such gritty television police dramas as "The Wire", will make it a violation for a youth under 14 to be outside their homes after 9 p.m. year-round. Those aged 14 to 16 would be banned from being outside on school nights after 10 p.m. and on other nights after 11 p.m.
Police could take violators to a curfew center, where they and the parents will have access to social services. Parents would have to take city-approved counseling classes and could face a $500 fine for repeat violations, up from the previous $300.
Children younger than 17 can now stay out until 11 on weeknights and until midnight on weekends.
CRITICISM
Many residents at the forum said they opposed the law because police officers were often overly aggressive and failed to investigate crimes.
One man told the mayor: "Youth are a ticking time bomb". He said parents would put their low-wage jobs at risk if they had to leave to pick up their children at a curfew center.
Mayor Rawlings-Blake replied: "Once you decide to be a parent you are a parent 24 hours a day, and when you have difficulties you cannot cast off your responsibility."
The forum at the University of Baltimore Law School was sometimes interrupted by shouts from the crowd. When the session ended, members of a leftist group, Fight Imperialism Stand Together, shouted obscenities and chanted: "No new curfew".
FBI statistics for 2012 show Baltimore, which has about 625,000 people, almost two-thirds of them black, had one of the highest rates of violent crime of any U.S. city, with 218 murders.
But there are signs that crime is starting to fall. The mayor's office said homicides for the year so far totaled 116, down 14 percent from the same period last year.
The American Civil Liberties Union, as well as the Fraternal Order of Police, have argued that the tougher curfew will be ineffective and burdens police officers who are given few guidelines about how to enforce it.
The ACLU of Maryland said in a statement that the curfew was more likely to entangle young people in the criminal justice system.
Baltimore is among many U.S. cities with curfews. The U.S. Conference of Mayors reported in 1997 that 80 percent of 347 cities surveyed had nighttime youth curfews.
A 2011 University of California-Berkeley analysis of FBI data showed arrests of youths affected by curfew restrictions fell 15 percent in the first year and about 10 percent in following years.
https://news.yahoo.com/baltimore-poised-impose-strict-youth-curfew-041328322.html
Baltimore poised to impose strict new youth curfew
By Ian Simpson
July 30, 2014 8:20 AM
BALTIMORE (Reuters) - City officials in crime-ridden Baltimore on Tuesday defended plans for one of the toughest U.S. youth curfews against criticism from residents who were skeptical about police enforcement of the new law.
In a forum with residents, Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said the measure, set to take effect on Aug. 8, was aimed at getting children off the streets before they were put in danger.
"This is not about criminalizing young black children but to reach them before the only option for them is law enforcement," the mayor told the crowd of about 100 people.
Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said he had sometimes come across children riding bicycles across the city at 3 a.m. When the parents were contacted, they had no idea where their children were, he said.
"They should not be out there, and you should be honest about that," Batts said.
The new curfew in Baltimore, the setting for such gritty television police dramas as "The Wire", will make it a violation for a youth under 14 to be outside their homes after 9 p.m. year-round. Those aged 14 to 16 would be banned from being outside on school nights after 10 p.m. and on other nights after 11 p.m.
Police could take violators to a curfew center, where they and the parents will have access to social services. Parents would have to take city-approved counseling classes and could face a $500 fine for repeat violations, up from the previous $300.
Children younger than 17 can now stay out until 11 on weeknights and until midnight on weekends.
CRITICISM
Many residents at the forum said they opposed the law because police officers were often overly aggressive and failed to investigate crimes.
One man told the mayor: "Youth are a ticking time bomb". He said parents would put their low-wage jobs at risk if they had to leave to pick up their children at a curfew center.
Mayor Rawlings-Blake replied: "Once you decide to be a parent you are a parent 24 hours a day, and when you have difficulties you cannot cast off your responsibility."
The forum at the University of Baltimore Law School was sometimes interrupted by shouts from the crowd. When the session ended, members of a leftist group, Fight Imperialism Stand Together, shouted obscenities and chanted: "No new curfew".
FBI statistics for 2012 show Baltimore, which has about 625,000 people, almost two-thirds of them black, had one of the highest rates of violent crime of any U.S. city, with 218 murders.
But there are signs that crime is starting to fall. The mayor's office said homicides for the year so far totaled 116, down 14 percent from the same period last year.
The American Civil Liberties Union, as well as the Fraternal Order of Police, have argued that the tougher curfew will be ineffective and burdens police officers who are given few guidelines about how to enforce it.
The ACLU of Maryland said in a statement that the curfew was more likely to entangle young people in the criminal justice system.
Baltimore is among many U.S. cities with curfews. The U.S. Conference of Mayors reported in 1997 that 80 percent of 347 cities surveyed had nighttime youth curfews.
A 2011 University of California-Berkeley analysis of FBI data showed arrests of youths affected by curfew restrictions fell 15 percent in the first year and about 10 percent in following years.
https://news.yahoo.com/baltimore-poised-impose-strict-youth-curfew-041328322.html
Somewhat related regarding education:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...laming-black-parents-for-underachieving-kids/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...laming-black-parents-for-underachieving-kids/
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