STOP ACTIN LIKE A BITCH! BE A MAN! how we teach little boys to wear the mask

[geechiedan]

 

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Prejudice is pre-judging


How the fuck would your mind even process some shit if your mind contains nothing?



All those saying are just white supremacy fuckery to catch non-white people off guard.


Think about it.


Another fuckery they use is "think objectively"


There is NO such thing!

 

[geechiedan]

all dat shit by you

Are you ever going to contribute to the actual topic are just bitch and snipe??

 

[code_pirahna]

I tried answering this post before but my computer fucked up.....

Pseudo or hyper the bottom line is a recognition of some kind of deviation from the norm.

No....Its not the same.....hyper is a term that is used to describe excessive...and I will say that feminist are using this term because they want to curb maleness and tone it down......why so that they can have power and control their way through means that are more favorable to them......in other words they cannot physically pound for pound be equal to a man in that venue.....so they dismiss the venue as "hyper" or that is too much man.....

example....the marine recruits who can t do 3 pullups cause they don t possess the upper body physical strength that a man does......

so it would be to their advantage to simply invalidate upper body strength......


it is not the same as pseudo......psuedo means fake....

And feminist aren't the only ones questioning where the line is drawn...the fact that you have your own term for the issue illustrates that. So getting into some discussion about who's agenda is it is is pointless because no one ever gets to the actual topic regardless of who brought it up.

Its not pointless cause feminists are trying to eliminate physical prowess....because in that venue they lose......so they try to equate male aggression and violence (even mild) with a negative term.....ie Hypermasculinity...

the agenda for feminist to gain power is for them to belittle or put down things that are advantageous to men and usually that is physical aggression and things in that regard....

And women don't get a pass for it. Women who exhibit aggressive behavior are ostracized by both men and women. Butch lesbians are a perfect example.

However, the way in which women bully doesn t get scrutinized as much because at the end of the day usually no ones jaw is getting broken......

but females bully by excluding other girls from the group...they make it so that all the other girls don t associate with the victim and keep her from having friends....why? cause the bully may be jealous or just doesn t like her for some reason.......

it only gets headlines when the victim does something crazy as a result like suicide or something like that....which is extremely rare.....

To your first point: Maturity doesn't curb it. By and large you see the continuation of that behavior going into adulthood.

I disagree......when boys are in 4th - 6th grade they usually begin to act out on their sexual urges...in the form of inappropriately touching and groping their female classmates......this activity continues until about the 7th grade when those same boys advance to jr high school.....

there they begin to see the older 8th and 9th graders not interacting with their female classmates in that way.....and they begin to follow suit....so that maturity leads to an end of that type of behavior......

Jonathan Martin exposed that as well as other athletes. You said you think some of the things in the video are necessary for certain environments that males find themselves.. and what environment would that be? The locker room in gym class? The school yard? A frat house? The cubicle in the work place? A night club? All of these environments are the places were you can find men exhibiting extreme aggressive behavior and mentality.

And where you can find groups of men perpetuating those beliefs that expressing emotion or sensitivity is soft and should be avoided. These aren't life and death situations.

This is needed to be taugh at a young age......WHAT YOU ARE MISSING geech is that usually young boys are told to stop crying in the HEAT OF THE MOMENT when in public......then told "stop crying....man up." or something to that extent.....

This is very needed cause what a boy must understand is that in this society a man is never going to be allowed to cry in the heat of the moment when the problem needs to be fixed or solved....nor should he cause a man must at all times be able to make moves to get shit done when needed.....

Not cry........UNLESS IN PRIVATE......

geech.....what these boys must understand is that it is okay to cry in PRIVATE....in private you can do those types of things just like in private you take a shit......its by yourself and no one needs to or wants to know the details of your mess or stink.....but it is accepted and NATURAL......and....there is noone there to tell you to "man up".......

The subtitle of the video is an exploration of American masculinity. thats why I said we live in a FIRST WORLD INDUSTRIALIZED NATION that has the SAFEST environments one can be in (comparatively speaking) yet you see some dudes walking around like theyre a cross between Deebo and Adibisi. This is WHY it needs to be questioned and WHY we as men need to figure what the hell is going on rather than point fingers about who's agenda it is.

2. No one said wrestling and rough play is hyper masculine..the video trailer doesn't make that connection. The issue is the various ways respect is linked to violence and the subtle and not to subtle push on boys to suppress their emotions or sensitivities.

You can t separate industrialized nations with nations that are not from this conversation because there is a similarity shared by all of these nations....they are male....and there is an element of biology that goes into manhood and masculinity and shared by all....simply saying that just because their is a community with police who have guns and animal rescue which keeps bobcats and other wild animals away from your loved ones.....doesn t mean that biology knows different.....

in other words...your body doesn t know that there is a grocery store on every corner so when you don t eat for a while it thinks its starving and when you do eat again it conserves fat thinking that it may not get its next meal again......

3. replace revolutions from tyranny, wars against corrupt governments....etc. with work place/school shootings, inner city street killings and spree killings and thats what we're dealing with in america. And all of those are committed by men almost solely.

Stop bypassing topics that you don t want to deal with....deal with the point I raised....Malcolm X said...What were revolutions fought over....land....the landless vs the land full....how was it fought....bloodshed.....

THat is necessary at times cause there are folks out there that want to take you for what you have at all levels from the bully and your lunch money.....to the Klan hanging folks on trees for trying to vote.....

sometimes there is only one way to solve the issue....

In other words...there are levels in dealing with issues....and sometimes you have to talk and reason....and sometime your gun talks and reasons....

Why couldn't the others recognize that he no longer wanted to play like that or that they crossed a line and just stop fucking with him??

I wish they did leave him alone geech....but what a man knows is that at the end of the day no matter how much he tries.....A MAN CAN ONLY CONTROL HIS OWN ACTIONS........

Therefore before Martin leaves the NFL....there is one more option left ie breaking incognitos face......

not a gun....cause the NFL is not worth freedom.....

but you cannot control the other person's actions...and yes he should have tried to reason with the people above him...but they didn t want to hear it....so before he walks away from what he worked hard to get......

He needs to either ignore it.....which is what he should have probably done....

He could have also used his fist.....which is a last resort.....but one that is not hyper masculine in anyway....its how the world was and will always be shaped...

 

[geechiedan]

No....Its not the same.....hyper is a term that is used to describe excessive...and I will say that feminist are using this term because they want to curb maleness and tone it down......why so that they can have power and control their way through means that are more favorable to them......in other words they cannot physically pound for pound be equal to a man in that venue.....so they dismiss the venue as "hyper" or that is too much man.....
example....the marine recruits who can t do 3 pullups cause they don t possess the upper body physical strength that a man does......
so it would be to their advantage to simply invalidate upper body strength......
it is not the same as pseudo......psuedo means fake....

I didn't say it was the same..I said its a deviation from the norm whether its a fake or an extreme.

I read the article on the board about the marine requirement..it doesn't state any groups demanding the test be invalidated: They said they delayed the pullup requirement to avoid losing not only recruits but also current female Marines who can't pass the test. Also a marine who trained women said he was able to get his squad to pass the test:

However, Greg Jacob, a former Marine, says women can build the strength they need for pullups, and he has seen it done.

He served as a Marine infantry officer in the Balkans and Africa, and now he works for the Service Women's Action Network, a group that advocates for military women. When he was a Marine trainer in North Carolina, he required his female instructors to knock out pullups just like the guys.

"At first, a lot of women weren't able to do it," Jacob says. "They were able to do one, some were able to do two, but what happened was by having that standard and enforcing that standard, it made my Marines, it made the troops go to the gym and train to that standard."

Within six months, all of the women in his company were doing eight to 12 pullups, he says.
I don't see a conspiracy there to invalidate anything.

Its not pointless cause feminists are trying to eliminate physical prowess....because in that venue they lose......so they try to equate male aggression and violence (even mild) with a negative term.....ie Hypermasculinity...

the agenda for feminist to gain power is for them to belittle or put down things that are advantageous to men and usually that is physical aggression and things in that regard....

if thats the agenda then theyre doing a piss poor job of getting it thru because men still run the world and theres no real threat to that. But your theory sounds eerily close to one I hear on conservative media. There are white people..white men mostly who believe there is a influential pervasive black agenda. And they fact that Obama is sitting in the white house, BET exists and youre seeing a "large" number of black films and shows proves it. They lament about how things have changed and how minorities are trying to gain power and control.

Now from where your sitting as a black man do YOU see some advanced black agenda at work thats taking power from the white man?? Yes or No?

However, the way in which women bully doesn t get scrutinized as much because at the end of the day usually no ones jaw is getting broken......

but females bully by excluding other girls from the group...they make it so that all the other girls don t associate with the victim and keep her from having friends....why? cause the bully may be jealous or just doesn t like her for some reason.......

it only gets headlines when the victim does something crazy as a result like suicide or something like that....which is extremely rare.....

its rare for anyone male or female to commit suicide from bullying. But female bullying gets more attention than you think hell theres many movies on the subject ranging from comedy to drama to horror..Mean Girls, Odd Girl Out and Carrie. If you haven't noticed it its because most media is male oriented. Women make up more than half the country's population and yet 2016 may see the second woman to seriously run for President (shirley chisholm was the first) and the FIRST to make it past the primaries (assuming hilary throws her hat in) and thats in 200 years of presidents..all men..all white men except for one. So if there is a feminist agenda its working about as well as the black agenda.

I disagree......when boys are in 4th - 6th grade they usually begin to act out on their sexual urges...in the form of inappropriately touching and groping their female classmates......this activity continues until about the 7th grade when those same boys advance to jr high school.....

there they begin to see the older 8th and 9th graders not interacting with their female classmates in that way.....and they begin to follow suit....so that maturity leads to an end of that type of behavior......

ask women about sexual assualt..date rape..sexual coercion..

This is needed to be taugh at a young age......WHAT YOU ARE MISSING geech is that usually young boys are told to stop crying in the HEAT OF THE MOMENT when in public......then told "stop crying....man up." or something to that extent.....

This is very needed cause what a boy must understand is that in this society a man is never going to be allowed to cry in the heat of the moment when the problem needs to be fixed or solved....nor should he cause a man must at all times be able to make moves to get shit done when needed.....

Not cry........UNLESS IN PRIVATE......

geech.....what these boys must understand is that it is okay to cry in PRIVATE....in private you can do those types of things just like in private you take a shit......its by yourself and no one needs to or wants to know the details of your mess or stink.....but it is accepted and NATURAL......and....there is noone there to tell you to "man up".......

really? cuz I'll bet any amount of money that most boys are told that in the home..in their backyards..in the car. In fact I'll wager that most of the time boys are told to suppress there emotions by a loved one in private and there is usually no explanation that crying in private is okay just not in public..I know I've experienced that talk from both my parents.

You can t separate industrialized nations with nations that are not from this conversation because there is a similarity shared by all of these nations....they are male....and there is an element of biology that goes into manhood and masculinity and shared by all....simply saying that just because their is a community with police who have guns and animal rescue which keeps bobcats and other wild animals away from your loved ones.....doesn t mean that biology knows different.....

in other words...your body doesn t know that there is a grocery store on every corner so when you don t eat for a while it thinks its starving and when you do eat again it conserves fat thinking that it may not get its next meal again......

but it does mean that as conscious sentient beings we understand that times today aren't like there 10k years ago. Hell domesticated animals by and large understand that much and curb their behavior accordingly and we train them to make those adjustments. Whats fucked up is we WANT and REWARD our pets when they show emotion, sensitivity and empathy yet we train our sons to curb those emotions because "its a tough world out there" Maybe that explains why people flip out at animal abuse yet step over homeless people every day

Stop bypassing topics that you don t want to deal with....deal with the point I raised....Malcolm X said...What were revolutions fought over....land....the landless vs the land full....how was it fought....bloodshed.....

THat is necessary at times cause there are folks out there that want to take you for what you have at all levels from the bully and your lunch money.....to the Klan hanging folks on trees for trying to vote.....

sometimes there is only one way to solve the issue....

In other words...there are levels in dealing with issues....and sometimes you have to talk and reason....and sometime your gun talks and reasons....

There can to be a happy medium in teaching boys how to defend themselves and do whats right and necessary while not being a vulcan crossed with a douchbag to others.

I wish they did leave him alone geech....but what a man knows is that at the end of the day no matter how much he tries.....A MAN CAN ONLY CONTROL HIS OWN ACTIONS........

Therefore before Martin leaves the NFL....there is one more option left ie breaking incognitos face......

not a gun....cause the NFL is not worth freedom.....

but you cannot control the other person's actions...and yes he should have tried to reason with the people above him...but they didn t want to hear it....so before he walks away from what he worked hard to get......

He needs to either ignore it.....which is what he should have probably done....

He could have also used his fist.....which is a last resort.....but one that is not hyper masculine in anyway....its how the world was and will always be shaped...

if he had hit incognito then it wouldn't have been just him acting in a hypermasculine fashion it would have been the environment they CREATED in that locker room that was and is hyper masculine..In fact in so many words thats what martin was complaining about.

Again youre saying this is how the world is..and I'm saying that in that football locker room there isn't any life and death issues at stake. You have a bunch of men who are OVER PAID to play a GAME...they aren't curing diseases or fighting crime or storming a beach head theyre PLAYING A GAME and sure competition on the field can be intense but thats while PLAYING THE GAME..when its over you back to the locker room..plan for the next game put your street clothes on and GO THE FUCK HOME..if a player isn't working out for the team then CUT HIM..get him the fuck outta there..all of this "he needs to toughen up" is BULLSHIT. You don't need a war vets aggressiveness and killer mentality to play a GAME well. Thats what hyper masculinity looks like..the difference between people on the field of BATTLE in WAR and people on the field of PLAY in a GAME. Which group would you say has a grossly exaggerated sense of what manhood and survival is between the two and who needs to take that shit down a few thousand??

 

[code_pirahna]

I don't see a conspiracy there to invalidate anything.

Then why was the requirement put on hold?

if thats the agenda then theyre doing a piss poor job of getting it thru because men still run the world and theres no real threat to that. But your theory sounds eerily close to one I hear on conservative media. There are white people..white men mostly who believe there is a influential pervasive black agenda. And they fact that Obama is sitting in the white house, BET exists and youre seeing a "large" number of black films and shows proves it. They lament about how things have changed and how minorities are trying to gain power and control.

Now from where your sitting as a black man do YOU see some advanced black agenda at work thats taking power from the white man?? Yes or No?

You again are bringing up something that I am not...I ain t say shit about conservative media or race.....and it has nothing to do with what I am talking about.....

Who cares what type of job and results they are getting based upon men being in power.....they are trying to demonize physical prowess in order to gain power....period....address that point don t talk about the success...address the fact that they are trying to do it in the first place don t dodge with bullshit about race that I never brought up or agree with.

its rare for anyone male or female to commit suicide from bullying. But female bullying gets more attention than you think hell theres many movies on the subject ranging from comedy to drama to horror..Mean Girls, Odd Girl Out and Carrie. If you haven't noticed it its because most media is male oriented. Women make up more than half the country's population and yet 2016 may see the second woman to seriously run for President (shirley chisholm was the first) and the FIRST to make it past the primaries (assuming hilary throws her hat in) and thats in 200 years of presidents..all men..all white men except for one. So if there is a feminist agenda its working about as well as the black agenda.

Geech this has nothing to do with what I said....I said that bullying by women doesn t get that much attention you re going on about women running for office and that media is controlled by men....really media is ran by money...and viewers control more of what is going on then anything....

and Mean girls isn t addressing bullying in a negative way....its promoting it through viewers...c'mon stop reaching.

ask women about sexual assualt..date rape..sexual coercion..

So the majority of men are raping women out here? So boys who groped women in elementary school...the majority continue to do it as adults?

is it even close to a small minority of men that continue to do this?

And ask women about rape....what about women who lie about rape, women who molest children? can we subtract them from the results?

really? cuz I'll bet any amount of money that most boys are told that in the home..in their backyards..in the car. In fact I'll wager that most of the time boys are told to suppress there emotions by a loved one in private and there is usually no explanation that crying in private is okay just not in public..I know I've experienced that talk from both my parents.

Dodge again....now I have to listen to you talk about assumptions....how do you know what any kid is doing in private or the people who tell him not to......my parents told me not to watch porn but I did.......

.address the issue...stop fuckin dodging.....

The issue is in private not public are boys supposed to cry....so telling a boy to stop crying in the heat of the moment in public is healthy......he should cry in private....do you not agree with that?

but it does mean that as conscious sentient beings we understand that times today aren't like there 10k years ago. Hell domesticated animals by and large understand that much and curb their behavior accordingly and we train them to make those adjustments. Whats fucked up is we WANT and REWARD our pets when they show emotion, sensitivity and empathy yet we train our sons to curb those emotions because "its a tough world out there" Maybe that explains why people flip out at animal abuse yet step over homeless people every day


There can to be a happy medium in teaching boys how to defend themselves and do whats right and necessary while not being a vulcan crossed with a douchbag to others.

You keep saying that threats are a thing of the past.....why do you think militaries exists? yes to make money but also because there are folks out their that want to do violence against you....that is today...so dismissing that bullshit as something in the past is ridiculous......

and bringing up pets is not remotely relevant to the discussion....you don t want us to talk about men in 3rd world countries in comparison to industrialized men...but you will compare them to muthafuckin cats and dogs.....

GTFOH be consistent.....

if he had hit incognito then it wouldn't have been just him acting in a hypermasculine fashion it would have been the environment they CREATED in that locker room that was and is hyper masculine..In fact in so many words thats what martin was complaining about.

Again youre saying this is how the world is..and I'm saying that in that football locker room there isn't any life and death issues at stake.

Punching dude in the face isn t a life or death response....nor hypermasculine....which is a bullshit term anyway.....and the environment is what the locker room created and all the books and articles and studies wont change how some folks treat you.....so you have to sometimes meet force with force.....period.

You have a bunch of men who are OVER PAID to play a GAME...they aren't curing diseases or fighting crime or storming a beach head theyre PLAYING A GAME and sure competition on the field can be intense but thats while PLAYING THE GAME..when its over you back to the locker room..plan for the next game put your street clothes on and GO THE FUCK HOME..if a player isn't working out for the team then CUT HIM..get him the fuck outta there..all of this "he needs to toughen up" is BULLSHIT. You don't need a war vets aggressiveness and killer mentality to play a GAME well. Thats what hyper masculinity looks like..the difference between people on the field of BATTLE in WAR and people on the field of PLAY in a GAME. Which group would you say has a grossly exaggerated sense of what manhood and survival is between the two and who needs to take that shit down a few thousand??

Noone is overpaid...you make what you generate.....if the NFL is signing billion dollar contracts with CBS ESPN and NBC then the players should make millions...

but that is not the point....

So the NFL has guns and bullets? No they play a game....so where is this killer mentality bullshit or actions that you are referring to? through punching someone?

so I guess that is war vet mentality when someone throws a punch?

geech maybe you need to take it down a few thousands....no better yet maybe the feminists like the ones who made this bullshit film need to take it down a few thousand.....

 

[geechiedan]

Code..I'll answer your post in a bit..I didn't respond earlier because I wanted to enjoy the new year holiday.

but this is an example of what that video is talking about.



there are ADULTS male and female in there conditioning that little boy to be hard.

 

[code_pirahna]

Code..I'll answer your post in a bit..I didn't respond earlier because I wanted to enjoy the new year holiday.

but this is an example of what that video is talking about.



there are ADULTS male and female in there conditioning that little boy to be hard.

This is an extreme example....and this is bad parenting....period. I am not talking about this....this is not good at anytime.

 

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