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Yeah. Last two episodes have been on point after the first three being boring-as-fuck.
Yeah shit has been very exciting! I think it's fucked up but funny at the same time seeing Don like this
I don't have time to decipher all the symbolism of the show, but couldn't help notice all of the door openings and closings in tonite's episode.This season is about transition and change . I'm still disappointed there are no black men in the workplace yet
good catch!
A great story on Vulture regarding the role of Freddy Rumsen
Mad Men: Freddy Rumsen Is Don’s Peggy and Peggy’s Don
By Margaret Lyons
The first time we meet Freddy Rumsen, he's drunk and talking about baseball. It's season one's sixth episode, "Babylon," and Freddy's pretty tanked even though it's not even lunchtime. It's 1960. Later that day, Peggy hands him a garbage can full of lipstick-blotted tissues. "Here's your basket of kisses," she says, and Freddy's eyes light up. He gives her her first copywriting assignment. Maybe we shouldn't be too surprised that Freddy's playing a big role so far in season seven — he was playing a big role all along.
"Babylon" is actually an awful lot like last night's episode "The Monolith": Roger's daughter Margaret swings by his office, just long enough to be petulant and insulting; Paul and Pete talk about Israeli communes and kibbutzes; and Don starts reading Exodus. Nine years later, and not that much has changed. Roger's just as frustrated with his inability to communicate with his daughter, no one's opinions of communes has improved, and now Don's reading another of modern Judaism's most important books, Portnoy's Complaint. At the end of "Babylon," upon getting her first writing assignment, Peggy hopefully asks Joan, "Do I get a raise?" In "Monolith," she doesn't even have to ask for it. The raise lands right on her desk. And oh yeah, Freddy's there, and he's talking about baseball, only this time it's Don who's drunk.
We typically think of Don as Peggy's mentor, but Freddy's the one who spots her talent initially, the one who encourages Don to use her writing, and the one who congratulates her when the pitch is successful. "Home run, ballerina," he says, beaming. When she complains that they'd changed her exact tagline, Freddy laughs. "You may be a writer, honey," he tells her. "You're arrogant." Freddy's also the one who suggests Peggy work on what she eventually renames "the Rejuvenator," giving her her second writing assignment.
Not that Freddy's a complete gem of a human at all moments: He's a guy who plays Mozart on his fly (oh, the days of crazy-long inseams), who doesn't invite Peggy to client dinners that happen after hours, and there's that time he pees himself at the office. That drunken mistake, though, means Peggy's the one who gets to present to Samsonite in "Six Month Leave," just as Freddy is sent packing. In "The Mountain King," season two's finale, Peggy asks for — and gets — his old office.
We don't see Freddy again until season four's "Christmas Comes But Once a Year," at which point he's sober. He brings SCDP Ponds, and Roger rehires him on the spot — except Freddy immediately segues back into ultrapatronizing mode around Peggy, who's not having it anymore. She snaps at him, calling him "old-fashioned," which Freddy takes as a huge insult. They make up, though, and Freddy advises Peggy on her love life: Don't have sex with a guy if you want him to respect you, but don't just lead him on, either.
Freddy appears sporadically in the rest of season four, and then vanishes again until season five's "The Other Woman" — more memorable for Joan and the Jaguar guy than for an intense lunch between Peggy and Freddy. But it's an episode that again finds Freddy in the encouraging mentor role to Peggy — again calling her "ballerina," and this time telling her that she doesn't have to put up with Don's crap if she doesn't want to. It's Freddy who recommends her to Ted Chaough, and Freddy who pushes her to ask for $18,000 a year. (Ted offers $19,000. Peggy and her raises: There's always a catch.)
And that's just about all we see of Freddy until this season's premiere, as he recite's Don's captivating pitch to Peggy. He's still Freddy, scrounging for free coffee and putting his own, slightly less good, spin on things — and most important, he's the Don Peggy needs, not the Don Peggy has. Don is often there for Peggy, but he is not always for her, and he wants what's best for her only when that's what's best for him too. Peggy and Don love each other, and their bond is profound, but Don has been cruel to his protégée, cruel on purpose. In "The Monolith," Don could be helpful or at least a team player, but instead he's resentful, distant, wasted. "Is he in?" characters ask throughout the episode. Physically, yes; mentally and substantively, absolutely not. The last time we saw Don this self-destructive and annihilated at work was in "The Suitcase," when it was Peggy who was watching him barf and letting him sleep it off on the couch. But Don can't just call Peggy this time, so he calls Freddy instead. Over the rest of the show, Freddy's been Don when Peggy needs another Don, but in "Monolith," he's Peggy when Don needs another Peggy.
This season and last season have been bending time; for a show that's of course very literally moving forward (so much emphasis on dates this season!), the same themes and touchstones are bubbling up again and again. It's Valentine's Day — again. It's "My Old Kentucky Home" — again. Everything is happening again and again. The reappearance of Freddy is part of that, and his position indicates Peggy and Don's respective positions in the world. "There's always a hierarchy," Roger tells some random crapbag hippie in "Monolith." He's right, at least for Mad Men if not for the actual meatspace Earth, but Freddy's not part of the SC&P hierarchy anymore — so when we see the show's world through his eyes, we can see those rankings clearly. As Peggy would say, it's quite a view.
Mad Men: Freddy Rumsen Is Don’s Peggy and Peggy’s Don
By Margaret Lyons
The first time we meet Freddy Rumsen, he's drunk and talking about baseball. It's season one's sixth episode, "Babylon," and Freddy's pretty tanked even though it's not even lunchtime. It's 1960. Later that day, Peggy hands him a garbage can full of lipstick-blotted tissues. "Here's your basket of kisses," she says, and Freddy's eyes light up. He gives her her first copywriting assignment. Maybe we shouldn't be too surprised that Freddy's playing a big role so far in season seven — he was playing a big role all along.
"Babylon" is actually an awful lot like last night's episode "The Monolith": Roger's daughter Margaret swings by his office, just long enough to be petulant and insulting; Paul and Pete talk about Israeli communes and kibbutzes; and Don starts reading Exodus. Nine years later, and not that much has changed. Roger's just as frustrated with his inability to communicate with his daughter, no one's opinions of communes has improved, and now Don's reading another of modern Judaism's most important books, Portnoy's Complaint. At the end of "Babylon," upon getting her first writing assignment, Peggy hopefully asks Joan, "Do I get a raise?" In "Monolith," she doesn't even have to ask for it. The raise lands right on her desk. And oh yeah, Freddy's there, and he's talking about baseball, only this time it's Don who's drunk.
We typically think of Don as Peggy's mentor, but Freddy's the one who spots her talent initially, the one who encourages Don to use her writing, and the one who congratulates her when the pitch is successful. "Home run, ballerina," he says, beaming. When she complains that they'd changed her exact tagline, Freddy laughs. "You may be a writer, honey," he tells her. "You're arrogant." Freddy's also the one who suggests Peggy work on what she eventually renames "the Rejuvenator," giving her her second writing assignment.
Not that Freddy's a complete gem of a human at all moments: He's a guy who plays Mozart on his fly (oh, the days of crazy-long inseams), who doesn't invite Peggy to client dinners that happen after hours, and there's that time he pees himself at the office. That drunken mistake, though, means Peggy's the one who gets to present to Samsonite in "Six Month Leave," just as Freddy is sent packing. In "The Mountain King," season two's finale, Peggy asks for — and gets — his old office.
We don't see Freddy again until season four's "Christmas Comes But Once a Year," at which point he's sober. He brings SCDP Ponds, and Roger rehires him on the spot — except Freddy immediately segues back into ultrapatronizing mode around Peggy, who's not having it anymore. She snaps at him, calling him "old-fashioned," which Freddy takes as a huge insult. They make up, though, and Freddy advises Peggy on her love life: Don't have sex with a guy if you want him to respect you, but don't just lead him on, either.
Freddy appears sporadically in the rest of season four, and then vanishes again until season five's "The Other Woman" — more memorable for Joan and the Jaguar guy than for an intense lunch between Peggy and Freddy. But it's an episode that again finds Freddy in the encouraging mentor role to Peggy — again calling her "ballerina," and this time telling her that she doesn't have to put up with Don's crap if she doesn't want to. It's Freddy who recommends her to Ted Chaough, and Freddy who pushes her to ask for $18,000 a year. (Ted offers $19,000. Peggy and her raises: There's always a catch.)
And that's just about all we see of Freddy until this season's premiere, as he recite's Don's captivating pitch to Peggy. He's still Freddy, scrounging for free coffee and putting his own, slightly less good, spin on things — and most important, he's the Don Peggy needs, not the Don Peggy has. Don is often there for Peggy, but he is not always for her, and he wants what's best for her only when that's what's best for him too. Peggy and Don love each other, and their bond is profound, but Don has been cruel to his protégée, cruel on purpose. In "The Monolith," Don could be helpful or at least a team player, but instead he's resentful, distant, wasted. "Is he in?" characters ask throughout the episode. Physically, yes; mentally and substantively, absolutely not. The last time we saw Don this self-destructive and annihilated at work was in "The Suitcase," when it was Peggy who was watching him barf and letting him sleep it off on the couch. But Don can't just call Peggy this time, so he calls Freddy instead. Over the rest of the show, Freddy's been Don when Peggy needs another Don, but in "Monolith," he's Peggy when Don needs another Peggy.
This season and last season have been bending time; for a show that's of course very literally moving forward (so much emphasis on dates this season!), the same themes and touchstones are bubbling up again and again. It's Valentine's Day — again. It's "My Old Kentucky Home" — again. Everything is happening again and again. The reappearance of Freddy is part of that, and his position indicates Peggy and Don's respective positions in the world. "There's always a hierarchy," Roger tells some random crapbag hippie in "Monolith." He's right, at least for Mad Men if not for the actual meatspace Earth, but Freddy's not part of the SC&P hierarchy anymore — so when we see the show's world through his eyes, we can see those rankings clearly. As Peggy would say, it's quite a view.
Mad Men Happy Hour – 704 – “The Monolith”
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Don giving Peggy the "I am going to knock this bitch into the middle of next week" Stare
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However before we hate Peggy too much - Here are some of Don's literally greates hits with Peggy
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Great episode...
but I really hate how they made Don JUMP at the chance to come back to work completely disregarding the leverage he had as a original partner...
but I really hate how they made Don JUMP at the chance to come back to work completely disregarding the leverage he had as a original partner...
this was a very good breakdown of this episode. i swear, i really need to start paying attention to the titles of each episode. maybe i'd be able to catch some of the "easter eggs" like in this podcast.
hated seeing Ginsburg losing it like that... really hope he gets back.
Don's marriage is really over - its painful watching those 2 on that doomed ship. Their threesome might become a parting gift.
I wonder if the gloves come all the way off now that Don sees the deception...
Harry Hamlin's character is following quickly in Pete's footstep
Don's marriage is really over - its painful watching those 2 on that doomed ship. Their threesome might become a parting gift.
I wonder if the gloves come all the way off now that Don sees the deception...
Harry Hamlin's character is following quickly in Pete's footstep
Let me say this now - I fucking hate AMC and after next seasons Mad men - I am not supporting that fucking channel again - the show is starting to get its stride and in two episodes it will be gone for the year - WTF
Anyway a few thoughts on the episode "The Runaways"
This episode was crazy - lot of quietly insane stuff going on including:
The return of Stephanie - the only time Anna Draper got pissed at Dick(Don) was when she thought he was going to fuck her - which he could have but did not - so now she is coming back to remind Don who he really is - Dick Whitman
Megan is a bitch -
Ginsburg has been crazy since day one and I kept wondering when he was going to snap - He is the predecessor of the main character from the movie PI (Check out this movie)
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Peggy is lucky she didnt get her little Ginsburg in box a la Wu Tang Clan rapper
Loved that Don showed who Don Draper closes when its not Hersey's - he didnt present the campaign he presented Don Draper (All the men want to be him and all the women want to fuck him except Peggy who wants to do both )
Anyway a few thoughts on the episode "The Runaways"
This episode was crazy - lot of quietly insane stuff going on including:
The return of Stephanie - the only time Anna Draper got pissed at Dick(Don) was when she thought he was going to fuck her - which he could have but did not - so now she is coming back to remind Don who he really is - Dick Whitman
Megan is a bitch -
Ginsburg has been crazy since day one and I kept wondering when he was going to snap - He is the predecessor of the main character from the movie PI (Check out this movie)
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Peggy is lucky she didnt get her little Ginsburg in box a la Wu Tang Clan rapper
Loved that Don showed who Don Draper closes when its not Hersey's - he didnt present the campaign he presented Don Draper (All the men want to be him and all the women want to fuck him except Peggy who wants to do both )
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Ginsberg...was right.
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First off i will repeat that the split season was a BIG mistake.
And making all the women on the show turn into bitches instead of strong independent women TAKING their equality is a BIG mistake.
They have decided to make all the women act like Don's first wife???
WTF??
Even in the behind the scenes the actress playing Peggy doesn't sound like she believes her own character's current motivation.
Peggy wasn't THIS MAD at Pete!!!!
Joan wasn't even this mad at the man who RAPED her!!!
When in the hell did Don become the living embodiment of EVERYTHING that is wrong not only at the agency but society as a whole???
Really don't like this direction.
And I need a MUCH BETTER explanation on why Don didn't use the IMMENSE leverage he had with his partnership shares?
And making all the women on the show turn into bitches instead of strong independent women TAKING their equality is a BIG mistake.
They have decided to make all the women act like Don's first wife???
WTF??
Even in the behind the scenes the actress playing Peggy doesn't sound like she believes her own character's current motivation.
Peggy wasn't THIS MAD at Pete!!!!
Joan wasn't even this mad at the man who RAPED her!!!
When in the hell did Don become the living embodiment of EVERYTHING that is wrong not only at the agency but society as a whole???
Really don't like this direction.
And I need a MUCH BETTER explanation on why Don didn't use the IMMENSE leverage he had with his partnership shares?
Couldn't have said it better!
I have to say that slow descent was well done...
he was flipping out since last year...
I like the way he grew the mustache and the clothes got bigger and he got thinner and more and more manic...
I would have liked a better explanation but sometimes that is what happens especially in a office setting...
(could ALSO be a reaction to drug use)
and if you really think about it if you were exposed to the unmitigated bullshit at THAT agency you'd quit or grow crazy too.
Let me say this after all of these season I TRUST Matt Weiner wil take us to a point that is worthy of the time we have spent on this show -
He is a novelist not a short story writer so the twist and turns ans even perplexing character traits are meant to say OK you think you know the character but you really dont - or you have forgotten something about them:
Peggy: She has always been a bit bitchy - often driven by insecurity more so then malice, she is someone who forced to make decisions based on no previous background of leadership so she looks at people like Don who is a great creative role model but a sucky boss - then Ted who just wanted to fuck her from day 1 so he flattered her all the time and now Lou who she knows sucks as a boss but he gets the job done even if its half ass and now that all SC&P wants these day - finish the work
As for being pissed at Don - she believes that she left SCDP and moved on with her life - was happy being Ted's girl and just ready to run her own shop and her comes Don forcing the merger and dragging her back - pissed off reason 1) then once back she became team Ted and she didnt like how Don was treating her "man" so in her mind fuck Don but the real reason and the thing she HATES him for was she feels that Don forced Ted out and sent him to California just to ruin her relationship with TED - she doesn't really know the truth that coward Ted went running to CA to get away from her but in her mind its all DON that ruined from the beginning any possible future she had with TED.
So when we asked why is Peggy acting like such a bitch to DON - its because she feels he has taken everything she has loved away from her - for his own selfish reasons.
The sad thing is that Peggy will never know that DON absolutely loves Peggy, one of the few women in the world he loves, far moreso than Ted every did, and that she needs to forgive him so she can move on - but like in real life - they may never get to a point of reconciliation, I have seen it happen with people, they are just too stubborn or too prideful to say , lets be friends again.
Megan-
When Megan offers spaghetti - its probably better to decline -
He is a novelist not a short story writer so the twist and turns ans even perplexing character traits are meant to say OK you think you know the character but you really dont - or you have forgotten something about them:
Peggy: She has always been a bit bitchy - often driven by insecurity more so then malice, she is someone who forced to make decisions based on no previous background of leadership so she looks at people like Don who is a great creative role model but a sucky boss - then Ted who just wanted to fuck her from day 1 so he flattered her all the time and now Lou who she knows sucks as a boss but he gets the job done even if its half ass and now that all SC&P wants these day - finish the work
As for being pissed at Don - she believes that she left SCDP and moved on with her life - was happy being Ted's girl and just ready to run her own shop and her comes Don forcing the merger and dragging her back - pissed off reason 1) then once back she became team Ted and she didnt like how Don was treating her "man" so in her mind fuck Don but the real reason and the thing she HATES him for was she feels that Don forced Ted out and sent him to California just to ruin her relationship with TED - she doesn't really know the truth that coward Ted went running to CA to get away from her but in her mind its all DON that ruined from the beginning any possible future she had with TED.
So when we asked why is Peggy acting like such a bitch to DON - its because she feels he has taken everything she has loved away from her - for his own selfish reasons.
The sad thing is that Peggy will never know that DON absolutely loves Peggy, one of the few women in the world he loves, far moreso than Ted every did, and that she needs to forgive him so she can move on - but like in real life - they may never get to a point of reconciliation, I have seen it happen with people, they are just too stubborn or too prideful to say , lets be friends again.
Megan-
When Megan offers spaghetti - its probably better to decline -
A Psychiatrist Analyzes Mad Men’s Michael Ginsberg
By Gwynne Watkins
“I think a therapist would have a field day with someone like Michael Ginsberg,” actor Ben Feldman told Vulture yesterday, following his nipple-mutilation episode of Mad Men. To which we said: challenge accepted! Psychiatrist Dr. Paul Puri has analyzed Mad Men characters for Vulture before (see here, here, and here), though prior to Sunday night, none of them had been literally wheeled out of the SC&P office in a gurney. Ginsberg’s total psychotic break can be read as a metaphor for the breakdown of American society in 1969, but how does it read from a medical perspective? We spoke with Dr. Puri about schizophrenia, castration metaphors, and Ginsberg’s likely prognosis (which is actually not so bad).
Let’s begin at the beginning: Ginsberg had a rough start in life. He was born in a concentration camp.
Everybody says he was born in a concentration camp because of that speech in “Far and Away.” What’s interesting to me about that is he doesn’t actually say he was born in a concentration camp; he says he was told he was born in a concentration camp. So regardless of whether it’s true, he doesn’t necessarily identify with that.
What does he identify with, then?
He feels cut off from things, but he identifies to a degree, it seems, as a Jew post-Holocaust, and he identifies as someone creative who’s never quite taken seriously. Which fits with his crying out “What am I, Cassandra?” because Cassandra was someone who had the power of prophecy but was never really taken seriously.
How do we get from there to nipple mutilation?
I think you can approach this question two different ways. Through the contemporary psychiatric lens, which is very biology-based, the show has really dropped hints all along that Ginsberg is an odd guy and possibly on the schizophrenia spectrum. He says things that can be a little weird. He has difficulty filtering himself, which is characteristic of schizophrenia; there was a presentation that he had to give once where he just couldn’t hold back from giving the negative side of things. Some schizophrenics misinterpret things as being reality that aren’t reality, and then they end up with thoughts coming in that are paranoia or auditory hallucinations, as if thoughts are disconnected and coming in as voices. There’s mis-wiring of the brain, so that things are coming in as sensory signals that are not necessarily, and so they get sort of distorted perception of reality.
Why did the computer trigger Ginsberg’s break from reality?
He had this outlet that gave him permission to be creative and kept him functional. And then the computer came in, and it took away his creative space. It took away his place to do that. For somebody who might already be a little bit fragile, that might be something that pushes them over the edge.
But then he also talks about the computer’s background humming. Now, with people that have a meth addiction, which can very much look like schizophrenia at times, what’s interesting is that a white noise generator, or even a washing machine, can actually bring on hallucinations in some people. They hear things within that. And so I thought it was very interesting that it’s really the hum that pushes things over the edge in this most recent episode. He even tries to use tissues for ear plugs, and he talks about how the computer is whispering. I’m making a leap here, because we don’t quite have the evidence to support this, but it’s almost as if he’s hearing messages in the humming sound.
Schizophrenia is a likely diagnosis, then.
This seems like a first-break psychosis episode for somebody who might have schizophrenia, it’s a little early to tell, because people can have a single psychotic episode and then it goes away mysteriously. But schizophrenia is probably a hundred different diseases. It’s all these different little genetic and other abnormalities in different places in the brain that produce similar symptoms, but not exactly the same. They can be auditory hallucinations, or bizarre thoughts, or bizarre beliefs, they can be paranoia, magical thinking, all these different kinds of things. So in that context, it would seem like Ginsberg had a first psychotic episode, or a psychotic break. Back then, they probably would have said he had a nervous breakdown.
You said there was another way to approach the question.
Well, if we were looking at the psychoanalytic side, I would bring up the idea of the computer being “the monolith,” which was the title of last week’s episode, and the fact that Ginsberg was adopted by this guy Morris out of an orphanage, so he’s never had a mother figure. So we have this phallic image of the monolith — and I don’t necessarily buy into this, but this may be an approach they’re using in the creation of the show — and Ginsberg is worried that the computer is trying to "erase him." It's a metaphorical castration, if you will. But as someone who doesn't identify with all the men around him, he doesn't know how to respond as a man. In his world, maybe being a man, or being homosexual, is equated to him as being feminine. He tries unsuccessfully to "be a man" in the traditional way by "procreating" with Peggy. When that doesn't work, his psychotic thinking involves becoming a man by cutting out the feminine, his own breast. Or at least a nipple, in this case. He gives it to Peggy to show how he's taken back his manhood.
That got very Freudian very fast.
I’m just making stuff up, but that’s how you do this! The common critique of Freud is that it’s not evidence-based, it’s one guy sitting around making up an entire theoretical system without any real other external evidence or validation behind it. But it’s one way to view the world, and I don’t necessarily buy it, but I suspect that the writers of Mad Men have some resonance with it, so it’s worth discussing.
You mentioned the possibility that Ginsberg has some repressed homosexual tendencies.
Right. The typical model of repressed or latent homosexuality means that being homosexual is unacceptable, therefore it gets projected out and seen in others. In this case, he sees Lou and Jim Cutler having their secret conversation, and inferrs it must mean they're gay. And then attributes it all to the computer, making them "do unnatural things." This again reflects the stress of the phallic object reminding him of what's unacceptable to him, and putting it onto others. Really, a computer is just a computer. For Ginsberg, it's something that's trying to force him to be homosexual. And he'd rather cut off his own nipple than allow himself to be homosexual. One might even go so far as to say the only way to be a man, for him, is by removing what's feminine about him, which is his own breast. Now we're really reaching.
Well, cutting off a nipple isn’t a common symbolic gesture.
Absolutely not. But self-mutilation, unfortunately, happens in people with psychotic thinking, and it’s not always clear how it ended up happening. I’ve seen people who gouged out their own eyes, or mutilated their bodies in various other ways. An analyst would try and play with the idea of why he chose the nipple. All we know from Ginsberg is “it’s the valve,” so it “flows” now.
What kind of treatment is Ginsberg likely to receive in 1969 after they wheel him out of the office?
He would probably be put on some kind sedative, and he may also be given an antipsychotic, like Haldol. Psychoanalysis was still very big at the time, so he might end up in a mental hospital and get treated. That’s assuming that this isn’t full schizophrenia, and we don’t really have evidence that it is. Usually schizophrenia has a lead-in period, what we call a prodromal period — a drop-off where people get isolated and they withdraw and have trouble focusing and might even seem depressed — and then you have the bigger sort of break. Because he doesn’t have a whole lot of a prodrome, he’ll probably be much more responsive to treatment. So he may be back on the show. Who knows?
In terms of modern treatment, what kind of course would you recommend?
Based on this episode, I would try and get a better diagnostic interview, to ascertain how long this has been going on and if this is really a psychotic break. It’s likely that I or someone would give him a new antipsychotic medication. He’s what we call neuroleptic naive, meaning he’s never been on something. So we’d put him very low on a dose, and probably observe him in the hospital for a couple days to see how he responds to that. And then he would probably be discharged from the hospital and scheduled to see somebody at an outpatient basis. We would also want to make sure that there’s not any affective disorder like depression or bipolar disorder underlying this, because that would take a different treatment approach; you’d want to make sure the mood disorder is being treated too. In therapy, I would probably explore whether him getting back into some kind of a functional life — like, giving him some other creative work in a more structured environment that he can handle — would improve his functioning in the long term.
So is Peggy going to be permanently traumatized by the sight of gift boxes?
Yeah, probably. [Laughs.]
Let me say this after all of these season I TRUST Matt Weiner wil take us to a point that is worthy of the time we have spent on this show -
He is a novelist not a short story writer so the twist and turns ans even perplexing character traits are meant to say OK you think you know the character but you really dont - or you have forgotten something about them:
Peggy: She has always been a bit bitchy - often driven by insecurity more so then malice, she is someone who forced to make decisions based on no previous background of leadership so she looks at people like Don who is a great creative role model but a sucky boss - then Ted who just wanted to fuck her from day 1 so he flattered her all the time and now Lou who she knows sucks as a boss but he gets the job done even if its half ass and now that all SC&P wants these day - finish the work
As for being pissed at Don - she believes that she left SCDP and moved on with her life - was happy being Ted's girl and just ready to run her own shop and her comes Don forcing the merger and dragging her back - pissed off reason 1) then once back she became team Ted and she didnt like how Don was treating her "man" so in her mind fuck Don but the real reason and the thing she HATES him for was she feels that Don forced Ted out and sent him to California just to ruin her relationship with TED - she doesn't really know the truth that coward Ted went running to CA to get away from her but in her mind its all DON that ruined from the beginning any possible future she had with TED.
So when we asked why is Peggy acting like such a bitch to DON - its because she feels he has taken everything she has loved away from her - for his own selfish reasons.
The sad thing is that Peggy will never know that DON absolutely loves Peggy, one of the few women in the world he loves, far moreso than Ted every did, and that she needs to forgive him so she can move on - but like in real life - they may never get to a point of reconciliation, I have seen it happen with people, they are just too stubborn or too prideful to say , lets be friends again.
Megan-
When Megan offers spaghetti - its probably better to decline -
damn...great words..
but I will never forgive Peggy because Don (who isn't really a bad boss if you go back and see how many people he LITERALLY saved throughout the series) was the ONLY one who supported her during that pregnancy and gave her the promotion and was using TOUGH LOVE on her the entire time...
And Don't get me started on Joan...
and while Don is FAR from perfect Meghan is showing the venomous witch she has been all along (just like her mom)
but I agree with everything you said I got faith...
but I guarantee he is NOT happy with this split season.
this was another great episode in a great season.
Fuck AMC for splitting this season in two and making us wait another year for the last eight.
This would have been a great season that could have rivaled any had they allowed it to be shown together.
Fuck AMC for splitting this season in two and making us wait another year for the last eight.
This would have been a great season that could have rivaled any had they allowed it to be shown together.
This is some AMC bullshit. They're trying to milk as many seasons as possible in calendar years. They did it with Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead and now Mad Men. Their sad reality is that now that BB is gone and Mad Men is in its final season, other than Walking Dead, they ain't got shit, so they are desperate to make this last as long as possible even if it pisses off everyone.
The last 3 episodes have been on point and now we have to wait until 2015 or whenever the hell they plan on dropping this shit.
This season is about transition and change . I'm still disappointed there are no black men in the workplace yet
probably we'll see one or two in the series finale
last scene may be on New Years Eve when everyone rings in 1970 then they do a "Where Are They Now" montage
yeah trust me I already know.
If they were doing it the way they do The Walking Dead it wouldn't bother me as much since there isn't that much time to wait for the second half.
But with Mad Men, a very intellectual and intelligent show that requires a lot of thought and doesn't lend itself to a year long hiatus, they decide to make us wait for the eight episodes and break it up over a 12 month period.
On a side note that new TV show they've been advertising has promise (the one about the computer company in the 80's)
OK so Peggy has been pissy with Don for weeks and the reality - she was being insecure and not realizing that if she would have just worked with him - they would have created magic -
Don Juan - knows what a woman wants or needs and Peggy needed a shoulder to lean on
1970s Burger Chef commercial -
<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/0A3GUlmIFzE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
FYI - When Bob went in for the kiss with Joan - No doubt he is gay - a straight guy would have gone for a tit squeeze - he just kept his hand on her lap -
In the words of Pete Campbell, "Not great, Bob"
Don Juan - knows what a woman wants or needs and Peggy needed a shoulder to lean on
1970s Burger Chef commercial -
<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/0A3GUlmIFzE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
FYI - When Bob went in for the kiss with Joan - No doubt he is gay - a straight guy would have gone for a tit squeeze - he just kept his hand on her lap -
In the words of Pete Campbell, "Not great, Bob"
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OK so Peggy has been pissy with Don for weeks and the reality - she was being insecure and not realizing that if she would have just worked with him - they would have created magic -
Don Juan - knows what a woman wants or needs and Peggy needed a shoulder to lean on
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1970s Burger Chef commercial -
<iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/0A3GUlmIFzE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
FYI - When Bob went in for the kiss with Joan - No doubt he is gay - a straight guy would have gone for a tit squeeze - he just kept his hand on her lap -
In the words of Pete Campbell, "Not great, Bob"
Ha nice find on the burger chef didn't know that was a real thing. Anybody ever checkout the Grantland podcast Hollywood Prospectus that recaps this show and Game of a Thrones every Monday ?
How do you guys think this will end? the more I think I know where it is going the more it takes a turn into left field -
I would have never have thought Peggy and Don would have been back on talking terms let alone slow dancing
I think Bob Benson though Joan turned him down will find a nice girl and get married and then spend the next few years avoiding sex with her and have lots of late night meetings in bathrooms and gay clubs.
I would have never have thought Peggy and Don would have been back on talking terms let alone slow dancing
I think Bob Benson though Joan turned him down will find a nice girl and get married and then spend the next few years avoiding sex with her and have lots of late night meetings in bathrooms and gay clubs.
i think we're in for a shock for the finale. there has been some WTF moments throughout the series but 1 that really stands out was the guy getting his foot run over by the riding lawn mower.....as quiet as this show is when stuff like that happens it really catches you off guard. hell, what about Ginsberg?
she absolutely is! they really have a love/ hate relationship. the end of this scene says it all when they go at each other.
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