Stephen A Smith said “Eminem is better than Nas because Eminem’s been more consistent”
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I hear you but again
Where is the GOOD song from the last 20 years?
I just named like 3
Just because YOU don't like those records doesn't means that my opinion holds no weight. They were good. And one went multi platinum
Which if memory serves in the music business categorizes it in the "good" column.
What you defining as good though?
Cause I could argue the kings disease series while very good?
Is over rated and not the undeniable classic many claim it is. And many of those hit boy tracks were mid.
I actually thought Em last album had some very solid tracks on there.
I'm irrelevant
Which was my point in the beginning.
He hasn't made a good song in my adult life is relative to national reception not to me and my personal tastes
Kings disease is decent not great but the grammys thinks it's good
The only song that comes close to good is the love the way you lie song
And that was because of Rihanna
Outside of that I don't see any good songs on the resume as I've been an adult
mmmmhhh thats what SAS said about Nas vs Enimen... did you at least listen? he literally said nas was better but enimen was more consistent in his greatness.
Sounds like SAS was speaking with a forked-tongue like he always does....
Okay now you moving goal posts
you asked for a good song
I give you 3
The MOST SUCCESSFUL is off the table because Rihanna on it? Stop it.
So another song will it be the producer? Timing of release? Is he the lead or the feature? Cmon now.
funny thing? I actually KINDA agree with you. In YOUR adult like if I want to be fair? Yeah it's like 1 maybe 3? Being super generous.
But I don't think that matters.
Nas ain't had a HIT that was popping like that EVERYWHERE either.
But to say Nas isn't consistent after the Hit Boy Era JUST HAPPPENED is just dumb.
But saying Em ain't had some ill features the past 5 years is wrong too.
More importantly...
Again why are discussing and taking seriously anything SAS has to say about music?
No goal posts moved at all
Eminem had songs that were hits because of him
And then he stopped altogether it's really simple
Has nothing to do with any of the other things
Nas ain't had a hit in forever
However as mentioned it ain't about hits it's about consistency which there's no argument
And coupled with him not having any good songs as I have been an adult
It don't take away his other work
It just means that work is 20 years old which is fine
When it comes to Eminem like I told @playahaitian in another thread.
I myself respect Eminem's talent and lyrical skill. But like myself I don't believe that all these people who speak on Eminem and his greatness actually listen to Eminem's music, and that includes Stephen A.
I myself respect Eminem's talent and lyrical skill. But like myself I don't believe that all these people who speak on Eminem and his greatness actually listen to Eminem's music, and that includes Stephen A.
Stephen A doesn't even know the words to Rapper's delight.
I like “Rap God” but I can’t say that there’s any other songs of his that come to mine that I like in the past damn near 20 years.
Bro...
I think you really don't understand just how f*cking massive Eminem fan base is.
And funny thing?
I heard the same exact argument made about Nas Jay Ghostface and Mf Doom lyrical supremacy
But as a lifelong rap fan... I don't think MOST folk are just parroting common consensus.
Because just as immense as his fans are Marshall got just as many if not more haters.
The reason you hear "all these people" champion Eminem is because NON RAP FANS know ALL the words to his music.
Em was on rock station white stations etc.
that's the cheat code
So to even to non rap fans he IS THE STANDARD.
And he isn't NEW either. I REMEMER rap battle Em and NJ Em etc
And do not under estimate the MOVIE.
And something quite simple, we keep glossing over.
Em is nice. Period. Nicer than most.
And held his own against Nas Jay Red Snoop And Biggie RIP.
Wtf we doing here?
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He sold several million copies for multiple albums we know he got a huge fan base
Thing is those fans are
Yeah. I'm a Eminem fan. And you absolutely right. I think Stephen A, got it backwards. Like you said. Nas has been on a up tick. On quality album releases. Eminem on the other hand, to me haven't had a album. That was good in years.
The last one that was good to me, was the Music to be murdered by album. The first one, not volume 2. Which was trash. His loose singles and guest appearances by the way. Has been hit or miss.
Exactly
Now music fans know what it's like for sports fans to listen to Stephen a Smith just pull random hot takes out of his overpaid ass.
Can't take anything that bum has to say seriously.
Can't take anything that bum has to say seriously.
You NOT wrong...
But don't seriously think black folk ain't the reason Em where he is. It's ALWA6S our co sign that matters most.
And he earned that real way.
Em got black fans and a WHOLE LOT OF SONS in this rap games and one thing you HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE?
Unlike many of these BLACK RAPPERS?
He ALWAYS shows respect and pays homage to these rap legends PUBLICLY LOUDLY AND CONSISTENTLY.
Kaboom
Agreed. I would have asked him to list his top 10 Eminem songs. My money would be on him stalling out at 4, then"um, um, hmm" through the other 6...
He was a trl darling b4 106 and park was ever invented.. he was all over mtv.. we know who they were catered to.. around the sametime boy bands , Britney Spears, and Christina Aguilera were big. Em was the white bad boy rapper.. he was what they were hoping markie mark aka mark wahlberg should’ve been
This was his breakout hit
Stephen a : Stan is legendary and my number 1 pick
Bout time he got to 5.. “ did I mention Stan it’s so good you got to mention it twice”
Bro trust I was there for all that.
And the thing people keep missing and them corporations caught on too... black Latino and other colored kids were right there too. I been to to that times Square studio... Sway and them been telling folks for years. It wasn't JUST white kids. Yes predominantly white but dem "other kids" bought cds and t shirts too.
You are 100% right PERIOD
he was rap elvis white rap genius you couldn't make him in a lab and they tried.
The genius was it was real. That kid was a one of one. Actually talented actually worked hard and then Dre then MTV then the videos and the internet and the controversy and the co signs...
Art is subjectivity at its height
But the movement that money is undeniable.
He was a rap nsync christina backstreet Britney as much as he claimed to hate it.
This was his breakout hit
They will tell you who was his number 1 albulm buyers by far.. he basically was a pop star rapper
Is he your top 3 or 5?
Black folks are reliable marketing strategy. We as a people find joy in hate-watching Skip. Steven probably saw his ratings slipped and decided to go to his reliable fastball. He didn’t even name it after Satchel Page, straight up went to Curt Schilling.
Fuller response...
I don't do top 10 list especially in art. Especially in rap.
Over 50 years and so many underground artists... ghostwriters, ghost producers, etc. Too many eras and criteria.
I don't respect it because it's all nonsensical.
But I know this... Em gets to sit at the legends table.
Our problem is we need to focus on the Post Malone who rape our culture then denounce it. Or the cookie cutter drill and lil rappers. All these girls doing the same hoe music. And these wack as rappers like 21 savage lil baby the baby etc being called greats and legends off nothing.
And these so called rap fans never REALLY SUPPORTING the "good" music they keep claiming to want.
And putting age limits on rap.
So no he isn't top 5
but neither is Erick Sermon or Nice and Smooth or Pharaoh Monch or Sauce Money..
but I'd stab you with a broken bottle if you said they wasn't the best ever.
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