statistics and basketball: a knod to BCK/GREED

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i can remember in the BGOL fantasy baseball league when BCK/GREED used to mention billy bean (sp?) of the oakland athletics, and how he made use of "money ball".

i can't count the number of times i've seen uneducated posters revealing how scared they are of numbers, saying things like "statistics don't mean anything".

here is an excerpt from a study on statistics as predictors for NBA longevity (a link to the entire study follows below):

A review of the literature shows the basketball scouting and player evaluation process leading to the NBA draft to be a difficult process and one that could benefit from more information in the form of statistical analysis. The data in the present study demonstrate that there is a relationship between collegiate play described statistically and career longevity in the NBA, as follows:
  • Assists, turnovers, and points recorded by guards over the year of college basketball play immediately preceding entrance into the NBA are related to NBA career longevity.
  • Assists, steals, turnovers, and points recorded by guards over 2 years of college basketball play immediately preceding entrance into the NBA are related to NBA career longevity.
  • Field goal percentage, free throw percentage, and assists recorded by forwards over the year of college basketball play immediately preceding entrance into the NBA are related to career longevity in the NBA.
  • Assists and rebounds recorded by forwards over 2 years of college basketball play immediately preceding entrance into the NBA are related to career longevity in the NBA.
http://www.thesportjournal.org/arti...career-variables-nba-players-career-longevity
 
Interesting article and especially interesting being they reference MLB. I read fivethirtyeight.com which brought the blogger notoriety because how accurately he was predicting results in the 2008 presidential primaries. This was before he revealed he was actually Nate..the famous stats man who releases an annual stat book about MLB...he has secret algorithms he uses for doing all types of projections that end up being eerily accurate..
 
cranrab said:
i can remember in the BGOL fantasy baseball league when BCK/GREED used to mention billy bean (sp?) of the oakland athletics, and how he made use of "money ball".

i can't count the number of times i've seen uneducated posters revealing how scared they are of numbers, saying things like "statistics don't mean anything".

here is an excerpt from a study on statistics as predictors for NBA longevity (a link to the entire study follows below):

A review of the literature shows the basketball scouting and player evaluation process leading to the NBA draft to be a difficult process and one that could benefit from more information in the form of statistical analysis. The data in the present study demonstrate that there is a relationship between collegiate play described statistically and career longevity in the NBA, as follows:
  • Assists, turnovers, and points recorded by guards over the year of college basketball play immediately preceding entrance into the NBA are related to NBA career longevity.
  • Assists, steals, turnovers, and points recorded by guards over 2 years of college basketball play immediately preceding entrance into the NBA are related to NBA career longevity.
  • Field goal percentage, free throw percentage, and assists recorded by forwards over the year of college basketball play immediately preceding entrance into the NBA are related to career longevity in the NBA.
  • Assists and rebounds recorded by forwards over 2 years of college basketball play immediately preceding entrance into the NBA are related to career longevity in the NBA.
http://www.thesportjournal.org/arti...career-variables-nba-players-career-longevity
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A very good 'thread'. However, regarding "Billy Bean"....."right church, wrong pew". The "Bean" to whom you refer is spelled differently.


It should be Lamar "Billy" Beane; former MLB'er and current GM of the Oakland A's. He was the main subject of a book written by Michael Lewis, Moneyball...a best seller. In it he describes how Beane used the principle of sabermetrics for running a baseball franchise cost-free.

The other "Billy Bean" is also a former MLB'er, who became somewhat famous for his admitted (publicly)'homosexuality' during his tenure in baseball. He made stops with the Tigers ('87-'89); Dodgers, (1989); Padres, (1989); and the Kinetetsu Buffalos (1992), in Japan.
 
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cranrab said:
i can remember in the BGOL fantasy baseball league when BCK/GREED used to mention billy bean (sp?) of the oakland athletics, and how he made use of "money ball".
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flounder said:
A very good 'thread'. However, regarding "Billy Bean"....."right church, wrong pew". The "Bean" you to whom you refer is spelled differently.


It should be Lamar "Billy" Beane; former MLB'er and current GM of the Oakland A's. He was the main subject of a book written by Michael Lewis, Moneyball...a best seller. In it he describes how Beane used the principle of sabermetrics for running a baseball franchise cost-free.
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good catch. i suspected that i had the spelling incorrect. glad you were around to make the assist.
 
ever heard of the APBR?

http://www.apbr.org/

funny video of some nobodies in professional basketball :rolleyes:.

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/2009/webcasts/basketball-analytics/

on the panel, you only have a VP of the denver nuggets who are currently in the NBA playoffs, owner of the dallas mavericks who are currently in the NBA playoffs, and GM of the houston rockets who are currently in the NBA playoffs.

EDIT: there's also a guy on the panel from some junk NBA playoffs team called the boston celtics. they only won the NBA championship last year using statistical witchcraft.

"some teams are still using them on the down low"

:lol:
 
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i highly recommend the video above for people who want insight into the devin harris/jason kidd deal, and the kevin garnett deal (and others, like trading for shane battier and hiring coach carlisle).

i understand that the SPORTS board is an extension of BGOL, so there will be plenty of colin powell mentality, but for the people who want to improve their understanding of the impact of statistics in professional basketball, it's a good watch and well worthwhile.
 
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eewwll said:
Interesting article and especially interesting being they reference MLB. I read fivethirtyeight.com which brought the blogger notoriety because how accurately he was predicting results in the 2008 presidential primaries. This was before he revealed he was actually Nate..the famous stats man who releases an annual stat book about MLB...he has secret algorithms he uses for doing all types of projections that end up being eerily accurate..
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cranrab said:
ever heard of sabermetrics?

http://www-math.bgsu.edu/~albert/papers/saber.html

apparently a serious enough subject to warrant it's own college level course:

http://sabermetrics.hnrc.tufts.edu/
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Yep. That is what the guy I mentioned, Nate Silver, did during the election. He applied sabermetric principles to opinion polls :yes:
 
eewwll said:
Yep. That is what the guy I mentioned, Nate Silver, did during the election. He applied sabermetric principles to opinion polls :yes:
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when you get a chance, watch the webcast i linked.

it's like the video links i provided shadyvillethug in the scottie pippen thread. after you watch it, you know who the basketball frauds on BGOL are.

later when you read their remarks on BGOL, it immediately lets you separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
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