What are you a hindu or something "Gaijin Khan" ?
Stanley Crouch "..Malcolm X was no more than a charismatic heckler.."
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What are you a hindu or something "Gaijin Khan" ?
word. Because Christianity never burned women at the stake, or oppressed women at all. No Christian EVER had a slave in this country. In fact, I don't know any bigotted Christians at all. They don't exist!!!
hmmm...
but that foolish religion blacks be foaming at the mouth for Christianity was the same religon that gave you a white God...you worship on your knees for....and were converting your ancestors on slave ships while raping...beating killing our children in the name of "Jesus Christ"...
it kills me to see the white counterparts hanging our ppl and cats still follow that shit....thats not our religion...but some shit that was forced upon us and we continue to eat that bullshit up....
lets not talk about religion now...you condemn muslims for beheading cats in the Middle East...how about the President of this USA dropping bombs on other ppl...and in the same breath saying "God Bless America"...
lets not go there...
I love it when people miss the point of what I'm saying. You pretended as if I were dumb enough to be a supporter of Christianity (which is also an Abrahamic religion). I'm an atheist.
So take your mundane retort elsewhere.
BTW...To those that say X just talked.
X was organizing African leaders.
X was about to bring criminal human rights violations against the US in the UN for it's treatment of blacks.
If X was ineffective,just talking, he would still be alive.
Look up the FBI documents on their infiltration of the NOI and MST. It will show you why those groups were allowed to prosper. As soon as X left the control of the infiltrated, he was too dangerous.
Ah. Gotcha. I love people like you. Can talk all the shit you want, and when you're dead, there's no one around to tell you you're wrong. You rock!
And for the record, I dont claim any religion.
So do a lot people on this site. Just look at the Obama threads and read some of the comments.
One upside is that Crouch shoul have a bright future over the next few years if these hate crime numbers jump through the roof as many expect them to. Fox News needs something to get their core audience hyped, so Stanley should get PLENTY of work defending lynchings as not necessarily racist and blaming black victims for the hate crimes committed against them (and the same slew of fags will be out there cosigning him).
If having a black president only made self-hating negroes hate themselves even more, can you IMAGINE what affect it has had on racist whites?
If having a black president only made self-hating negroes hate themselves even more, can you IMAGINE what affect it has had on racist whites?
Humans are a very interesting animal. When someone says something that another does not agree or believe's then its an all out battle about who's right and who's wrong and it never fails. Crouch had his opinion and that's what it was is his opinion. Its not mine or yours and he should be entitled to it, we may not agree on what he said but we should respect his opinion. We all( well most of us) know the facts and about the events that took place when MLK and Malcolm X was alive. We understand why durning that time period when nonviolence was to show the white man that our spirits would not be broken and durning Malcolm X's time when they used violence to show that not only our spirits won't be broken but we also won't take your shit. All im trying say is we all have our opinions but we must remember that if we didn't have MLK or Malcolm X and all the other people that stood up for us as a whole where would we be? Still going behind resturants to get served food like a stary.
c/s, malcolm was more than a talker, they didnt kill Bro. Martin till he became more radical
Some many of these posts confirm a major problem with the black youth.
they have no clue what has been done before their births if it isn't on youtube or in wikipedia The things done so that they may have their fucked up views on reality and the belief in fucked up codes of the game. hard to advance from where you stand if you don't know where you have been.
simply amazing the amount of stupidity that can be found on a message board.
they have no clue what has been done before their births if it isn't on youtube or in wikipedia The things done so that they may have their fucked up views on reality and the belief in fucked up codes of the game. hard to advance from where you stand if you don't know where you have been.
simply amazing the amount of stupidity that can be found on a message board.
Stanley Crouch=Attention whore.
He's no different than a FTP who makes a BULLSHIT THREAD on the board...except his board is the DAILY NEWS. FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON.
He's no different than a FTP who makes a BULLSHIT THREAD on the board...except his board is the DAILY NEWS. FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON.
I agree completely. I said a few months back I expected to see divide and conquer between blacks if Obama became president and voila here we go and there will be much more to come.
I also agree with this completely too. That's why I always argue from the viewpoint that truth is truth, but some may have a different opinion on the truth. That doesn't change the truth though.
With that said would Stanley Crouch say this shit if Malcolm X were alive? I doubt it very much because deep down I think the guy's just making comments to make himself seem important. Why doesn't he say anything about why guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton failed as presidential candidates because of how they approached their way of doing things. Malcolm/s way was Malcolm's way because he was Malcolm.
I also think some are missing the REAL reason Malcolm may have been killed and it's the same reason stated within this post, but that is overlooked.
Yep. Not a doer. I'm with Crouch. Those Arabs think Blacks in America are a bunch of chumps. House Negro my ass...Obama OWNS the house.
shut your simple ass up you fukkin idiot. obama owns the house? i can't fukkin wait for him to continue along the path that was designed for him. you dumb ass niggaz is so hyped that we have a "black" president that you don't even see the bullshit that is unfolding right before your eyes.
This nigga is not the messiah. he is a fukkin politician. POLITICIAN they tell you what you wanna hear so they can get into office. do you think that there's gonna be any real change where change is needed? is he gonna rebuild neighborhoods in poor communities without moving it's residents out? is he gonna fukkin change the disparity that exists between inner city schools and schools in upper class neighborhoods? he's gonna stick to the plan and "fix america".
As for Malcolm x...... Malcolm is a true revolutionary. he is what all black men should aspire to be.
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like i said before...Malcolm X was a great leader who was cut down before his prime, the initiatives he was setting forth after his trip from Mecca would have been monumental and very beneficial to the black community as a whole...this man was about to UNITE the black militants and black christians, or at least attempt to. the NOI should also take some blame for stifling his efforts...
but to compare food drives to what Dubois, Carter G Woodson, Dr King, and Booker T Washington did for black people is comical at best.
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Boy that is one ugly ass coondog
Sez you , Sport. To me Malcolm X is a minor historical figure whose story has been largely mythologized - Like Paul Revere or StoneWall Jackson - nothing more. Hardly a model for my children. Raise yours as you please - I'd rather mine turn out like James Clerk Maxwell or Michael Faraday.
I'm Finished.
- wtf? man I wouldn't go that far.
Malcolm was a SPEAKER for a religious organization..This is sometimes overlooked. people must look at the man he SPOKE for, Elijah Muhammad, when one wants to talk of tangible gain. Now when it comes to "doers", this man can NOT be put aside as an afterthought (crouch made sure not to mention the leader much in his article of doers). can anyone objectively say that this man Elijah Muhammad, was not a man of action?
I wouldn't even dignify his post with a response.
gotta disagree with Crouch on this one...
X was necessary... MLK's movement needed a group like the NOI and esp. someone like Malcolm because white folks were scared to death of what they represented... educated unafraid black people with a clear idea of who their enemy was... with Malcolm around the government was muuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccchhh more willing to negotiate with MLK...
plus even back then you had a black middle class that was a little separate from lower class blacks... the middle class was like King, but X had the poor man (MLK too, don't get me wrong) but X had BEEN one of them, a hustler, he had walked those streets so he had their respect, they knew where he was coming from...
and he got bumped off first because he was starting to allign with King, he had just toured Africa, the Middle East, gotten props and recognition abroad, you KNOW Hoover and the FBI/CIA felt like he would soon become a real threat to them trying to maintain the status quo...
X was necessary... MLK's movement needed a group like the NOI and esp. someone like Malcolm because white folks were scared to death of what they represented... educated unafraid black people with a clear idea of who their enemy was... with Malcolm around the government was muuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccchhh more willing to negotiate with MLK...
plus even back then you had a black middle class that was a little separate from lower class blacks... the middle class was like King, but X had the poor man (MLK too, don't get me wrong) but X had BEEN one of them, a hustler, he had walked those streets so he had their respect, they knew where he was coming from...
and he got bumped off first because he was starting to allign with King, he had just toured Africa, the Middle East, gotten props and recognition abroad, you KNOW Hoover and the FBI/CIA felt like he would soon become a real threat to them trying to maintain the status quo...
Malcolm X was a key voice in Black Resisitance Struggle but more importantly provided an example of strong Black manhood at a time when the prevailing portrayals, characterizations, and perceptions smacked of weakness, conciliation, and subservience. Moreover, Malcolm X was an internationalist who understood (like few others did) that the plight of Black Americans was connected to the plight of Africans, other "transplanted" Africans, and other people of color throughout the world.
On Stanley Crouch, he can be a decent and often brilliant writer, but in his zeal to criticize he often misses the larger point.
On Stanley Crouch, he can be a decent and often brilliant writer, but in his zeal to criticize he often misses the larger point.
This will be my only post in this thread because this type of silliness makes my head hurt. Not necessarily what sirwoodz is saying (although there is much I disagree with)but the idea of Malcolm somehow being "overrated".
Nevermind. So many counterpoints came rushing to my mind, I wouldn't be able to do them justice. I'm out.
- thanks for your response
those numbers are misleading - many of the shootings and violent acts carried out by panthers, were done by wanna-be's and people whom the key figureheads of the black panther movement didn't want in their anyway..
however, i stand corrected - the panthers DID shoot at cops. and yes, my foot is quite tasty.
what about my other 2 points though? these cats just LET drugs evaporate their community (the dope game started in their backyard!) and many of the panthers went on to become bloods and crips...like i said - they didn't do shit. they were symbolic, and gave black people a sense of pride, but in the grand scheme of things, nada.
For the most part I agree. I think Malcolm was important because he symbolized manhood in the face of racial oppression. Having said that, Crouch is pretty much dead on.
Malcolm certainly lived at a time where he had a lot more reason to be militant than these arm chair revolutionaries who think being pro black = yelling at white folx but he's had the wrong answer. Black folx in 2008 have far less barriers than existed during the time of Malcolm & Martin. We need stop acting like it 1958 instead of 2008.
Also, people seem to only wanna talk about the Malcolm spouting racism during his days in the Nation. However, the man grew out of that ideological constraint & saw things more clearly later in life.
"I am not a racist.... In the past I permitted myself to be used...to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt. Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as a result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy city of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true...Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenants of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people."
- Malik El Hajj Shabazz
If Malcolm X was only a talker he would not have gotten killed back then. And would probably still be alive today.
It isn't good nor necessary to compare Martin Luther King to Malcolm X. They were both for the same thing.
No matter how hard they try. The spirit of freedom will never die.
It isn't good nor necessary to compare Martin Luther King to Malcolm X. They were both for the same thing.
No matter how hard they try. The spirit of freedom will never die.
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