Stanley Crouch "..Malcolm X was no more than a charismatic heckler.."
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All leaders are talkers. And Malcolm did a lot to clean up Black men.. he was a great example to others.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about
- is that the best you can do, like we are a bunch of 3 year olds by the swing set? "you dont know WTF you're talking about!!" and leave it at that!??!
you are what I call a NIGGA-Lectual. you aren't even relevant in the grand scheme of things.
like i said - I love malcolm, have several book about him and documentaries, but at the end of the day he was a TALKER and not much a DOER.
dr king, dubois, tubman, washington, even garvey - all DOERS. It's not a matter of agreeing w/everything a leader says (like i did malcolm), but acknowledging truth and reality. MY STRONG BLACK AFRICAN BROTHA!!!
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yeah, just like i said...the black panthers didn't do a got damned thing. NBA muthafuckas can FEED poor people, hell Ludacris is feeding people and ain't a got damn thing political about his ass...and even with the most elementary research on the black panthers you'll find that they were comprised MOSTLY of ex gang members, and many of them went on to JOIN/START UP GANGS ONCE THE BLACK PANTHERS CEASED TO EXIST!!!
yeah exactly...all we hear about are bobby seale and huey newton and get those SAME 4 or 5 pictures of the black panthers that we see all over the place because that is the way we want them to be remembered...but that shit wasn't the whole truth and u know it...
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and even with the most elementary research on the black panthers you'll find that they were comprised MOSTLY of ex gang members, and many of them went on to JOIN/START UP GANGS ONCE THE BLACK PANTHERS CEASED TO EXIST!!!
yeah exactly...all we hear about are bobby seale and huey newton and get those SAME 4 or 5 pictures of the black panthers that we see all over the place because that is the way we want them to be remembered...but that shit wasn't the whole truth and u know it...
umm...every organization has its fools that do some dumb shit...why should that reflect on those that really wat change...
you talk about feeding ppl and rappers...rappers have money the Panthers did not have those resources but still fed them....
5 pictures of the panthers?...ignorant nigga pick up a book for once before judging shit on here...you sound like a damn fool...
the NOI when it first started were mostly ex cons....even the honorable Elijah Muhammad was an ex con...you can look into their past and condemn if you choose too...they saved alot of brothas on the streets and in the prisons....
The Panthers....
do you know they were created to help blacks fromt he police that were brutalizing them...?
what do you say about that....
your an idiot.....read a damn book b4 talking reckless shit on a forum..
some blks are hustlers...thugs and goons...and some of us are teachers...doctors...lawyers....how can you ignorantly label them criminals after their Panther years?
what have you done to judge anyone and their contribution to our ppl....
Fred Hampton was shot down like a dog in his apt laying in bed with his pregnant wife....what you say about that?
he mobilized the gangs of chi town...where was the other arm chair soap box preachers talking that Jesus bullshit to save the misguided youth?
fuck outta here...your a disgrace....men in the Panther party took bullets trying to help our ppl...and you a worthless peice of blk skin come in here to discredit their efforts...log the fuck off dickhead....
you on BLUNT STATUS...you just want to post ridiculous shit to get a reaction w/o any thought put into your post....
*******....
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dr king, dubois, tubman, washington, even garvey - all DOERS. It's not a matter of agreeing w/everything a leader says (like i did malcolm), but acknowledging truth and reality. MY STRONG BLACK AFRICAN BROTHA!!!
"even Garvey"...interesting choice of words, almost like it was in doubt
Someone already proved your nonsense about the panthers to be incorrect... was there really a need for me to repeat the facts? "You don't know what fuck youre talking about" sounds better...
Like I said about Malcolm.. ALL leaders are talkers... without their voice, they wouldn't be leaders. What he did was provide an example of reform to Black men (and as Ossie Davis put it.. He was our manhood, our shining Black Prince).. Maybe you should READ more books about Malcolm because you missed the boat...
Like I said about Malcolm.. ALL leaders are talkers... without their voice, they wouldn't be leaders. What he did was provide an example of reform to Black men (and as Ossie Davis put it.. He was our manhood, our shining Black Prince).. Maybe you should READ more books about Malcolm because you missed the boat...
- is that the best you can do, like we are a bunch of 3 year olds by the swing set? "you dont know WTF you're talking about!!" and leave it at that!??!
you are what I call a NIGGA-Lectual. you aren't even relevant in the grand scheme of things.
like i said - I love malcolm, have several book about him and documentaries, but at the end of the day he was a TALKER and not much a DOER.
dr king, dubois, tubman, washington, even garvey - all DOERS. It's not a matter of agreeing w/everything a leader says (like i did malcolm), but acknowledging truth and reality. MY STRONG BLACK AFRICAN BROTHA!!!
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Its pretty idiot of you to minimize the good of feeding the poor. You CAC's will never understand...
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Exactly Fuck This coon ass bitch!Fuck this cat. Malcolm X lived and died for Black empowerment. What the fuck has this coon done to even qualify to speak on brother Malcom? FUCK THIS NIGGER!
Here we go again re-fighting old battles. A story where Stanly Crouch was largely defending Obama, we scrap like bitches because his opinion on Malcolm is not like yours. He can't hurt Malcolm or his legacy and you damn well know it. I don't give a shit what he says.
I guess Farrakhan was right. "..we are a people easy to fall asleep."
-VG
I guess Farrakhan was right. "..we are a people easy to fall asleep."
-VG
Malcolm X was one of the naysayers to American possibility whose vision was permanently crushed beneath the heel of Obama's victory on Nov. 4. Though his ideas had nothing to do with the ultimate form of nonviolence - voting - those desperate to praise him will pretend now that he was actually a civil rights leader! This has been going on for an unforgivably long time, especially among black academics.
This is foolish.
If not for Spike Lee's film about him, Malcolm X would have been forgotten.
Even more foolish.
This is a reaction to the 'comments' of Zawahiri who probably didn't even say those things about Obama seems to me like a feeble attempt to turn black people away from Islam. We are scared now especially as our president to be, has a Muslim name what if he became Muslim? What can we do to prevent this? Associate Malcolm x with a terrorists, increase the perceived threat. It makes me laugh how people believe everything they hear and see on TV. These same people feeding us lies are the same ones who were beating us down, measuring our skulls, and enslaving us just a few years ago.
Malcolm x made mistakes but for those last months of his life he was truly successful and died upon the truth.
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Malcolm x made mistakes but for those last months of his life he was truly successful and died upon the truth.
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http://www.netcreater-sitetest.co.uk/Pages/Home.aspx
How old was this idiot when Malcolm X lived and died.....? I hate when history is revisionist........ For his time, Malcolm X did very powerful things ........ this asshole was chasing White girls who wouldnt give his muppet looking ass any rhythm.
talker: guy on a message board who either praises or diminishes people of significant accomplishment
doer: man who goes before to the UN to bring sanctions against the US basically comparing them to South Africa. man who goes on live television and calls the white man the devil and some black folks house negroes when his life can be taken any day. teaches people about separatism and natioanlism.
you think what Malcolm did wasn't as dangerous as marching in the South? u know what they did to black folks in Chicago and Harlem who ran their mouth about the government and the police? white folks were afraid of this man which made him a walking target.
in the end most black folks didn't go Malcolms way. we desired more to be like (and some even wanted to look like) white people and we bought into "their" version of the American dream not Malcolm's.
separate from white folks? that's absurd.
doer: man who goes before to the UN to bring sanctions against the US basically comparing them to South Africa. man who goes on live television and calls the white man the devil and some black folks house negroes when his life can be taken any day. teaches people about separatism and natioanlism.
you think what Malcolm did wasn't as dangerous as marching in the South? u know what they did to black folks in Chicago and Harlem who ran their mouth about the government and the police? white folks were afraid of this man which made him a walking target.
in the end most black folks didn't go Malcolms way. we desired more to be like (and some even wanted to look like) white people and we bought into "their" version of the American dream not Malcolm's.
separate from white folks? that's absurd.
TRUTH!!
Imagine if he finished what he started. Imagine if he brought the USA up on Human Rights charges in the UN. He had the support of a ton of African leaders. Imagine if he never died, and that went through. That would've trumped every march, sit in, and boycott. All of these events are important cogs in change, so it's foolish to discount Malcolm's accomplishments.
What's funny and sad is, Malcolm is revered as a Prince all over Africa. There are make shift murals all over the African continent and even in Central and South America. Yet, the people he fought for sit and argue about if he was good or bad. What kind of bullshit is that!?!?!?!?!?
crackas coming out to the light I see
OK, so let me get this straight........Crouch says that Malcolm was only a talker?
Like a Community Organizer ain't qualified for no "BIG" jobs
Here we have a guy, who talks for living,($), saying that we shouldn't honor a man who "Lead" a movement?
STOP PLAYING GAMES
Like a Community Organizer ain't qualified for no "BIG" jobs
Here we have a guy, who talks for living,($), saying that we shouldn't honor a man who "Lead" a movement?
STOP PLAYING GAMES
c/s
Malcolm X is one of the greatest black minds and leaders that has ever existed...
No need to comment on Crouch, I've reached the conclusion that this cat has mistakenly equated his natural ass-ugliness with his blackness (thus he hates everything about that part of him). He thinks his big pink lips and dark skin make him ugly when actually it's his big, deformed, pink lips and his burnt bacon complexion that make him ugly.
No need to even reply. It's the usual suspects in this post saying exactly what everyone would expect them to say, spitting half truths, speaking on shit they don't have any knowledge of, basically being the same stupid coons they are in every other post.
And using the same weak defenses to protect their weak footing in the conversation (You don't agree with me because you're a nigga and I'm a black man, blah, blah.)
At this point, if you can't open hand slap the fuckers, why even communicate with them.
No need to even reply. It's the usual suspects in this post saying exactly what everyone would expect them to say, spitting half truths, speaking on shit they don't have any knowledge of, basically being the same stupid coons they are in every other post.
And using the same weak defenses to protect their weak footing in the conversation (You don't agree with me because you're a nigga and I'm a black man, blah, blah.)
At this point, if you can't open hand slap the fuckers, why even communicate with them.
He got shot by a rival sect..not defending our civil rights. By the way I really like Malcolm X...but let's be honest: the appeal of the man is similar to the myth of the rugged individual (often typified by John Wayne) he didn't take crap. But as for what he did...? Tell me what did he DO to change the laws and conditions of the land? That was done by King and others. Because like Crouch said the ideas of the NOI and other groups where just not grounded in reality. I mean a seperate nation for blacks?I don't even know what to fucking say...."John Wayne"....
a brotha compared Malcolm X to "John Wayne"....let me guess those weren't real bullets that ripped through his body in front of his wife and kids for a actual reason....like basic civil rights and fighting for us...
this is why we will never get anywhere as a mutha fucking ppl...
saddest shit I ever read...keep letting the media pollute your minds.....
Come the Fuck on. Get Real.
That's why Obama suceeded and Jackson and his old schoool ilk fail in TODAYS world. The same way the fake ass John Wayne wasn't REALLY winning the war but still sounded cool talking shit.
We like our mythic heroes in America. Why did you think America loves JFK. Miles Davis said it best. "What did John F Kennedy ever do except have a lot of hair?" But let him get shot and VOILA! instant hero!
You know it's true.
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COINTELPRO and BOSSI had absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever...He got shot by a rival sect..not defending our civil rights.
- is that the best you can do, like we are a bunch of 3 year olds by the swing set? "you dont know WTF you're talking about!!" and leave it at that!??!
you are what I call a NIGGA-Lectual. you aren't even relevant in the grand scheme of things.
like i said - I love malcolm, have several book about him and documentaries, but at the end of the day he was a TALKER and not much a DOER.
dr king, dubois, tubman, washington, even garvey - all DOERS. It's not a matter of agreeing w/everything a leader says (like i did malcolm), but acknowledging truth and reality. MY STRONG BLACK AFRICAN BROTHA!!!
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and even with the most elementary research on the black panthers you'll find that they were comprised MOSTLY of ex gang members, and many of them went on to JOIN/START UP GANGS ONCE THE BLACK PANTHERS CEASED TO EXIST!!!
yeah exactly...all we hear about are bobby seale and huey newton and get those SAME 4 or 5 pictures of the black panthers that we see all over the place because that is the way we want them to be remembered...but that shit wasn't the whole truth and u know it...
Do you even think about shit before you type and press "submit"???
You are true example that a college education can make you dumber. Then you're too foolish to say maybe I was wrong
Do you realize that the Panthers were feeding the kids in their community to the point that the federal government started a free lunch program to reduce the positive attention they were getting. The Panthers broken apart too easily....have you ever read about Cointelpro...about what happened to Fred Hampton. While the Panthers were unable to achieve all of their goals they like Malcolm knew that what they were advocating...the right to self determination and equality for blacks was something that could not be eternally denied and could not wait for the morality of white america to realize that co existence in this country required it.
Oh and Booker T Washington as a doer huh? You know Booker T met with the KKK right,...thought that we needed to do menial labor to prove ourselves worthy of more. Malcolm and the Panthers and MLK had us raising our eyes to the clouds. Know your history fam.
And that was aiding in changing the voting rights and other civil rights in a concrete way by...?
Saying we are all brothers in nice in a vague sort of syrupy sort of way was nothing new in the philosphy of mankind(except in the case extreme cult he was - rather rashly - involved in).
Lets not act as if it was so "profound" just because it contradicted his previous public statements. So he wised up.
Big deal.
I could have told him that and most black americans at the time could have told him that WITHOUT having to go through a dangerous and weird cultlike experience.
To me it is rather like a drug addict getting praise for being straight and getting a job. People heap praise on them all the time.
I'm like "Umm...yeah pal, the rest of us have been doing that ...WITHOUT the drama."
Enough with the coon stuff. Stanley is an upstanding man who says dumb shit from time to time like all of us.
To roast Malcolm over some dumb ass stuff said by some Talaban or Al Quaida asshole is out of line. At the very least Malcolm is respected by millions of Black Americans as well as others groups. He built up the NOI which in turn did take a lot of brothers out of prison and off the streets. They opened business's back in the 60s and early 70s that I worked in as a youth. He help to instill a sense of pride in ourselves that the Civil Rights Movement was lacking. Where Dr. King was not reaching northern blacks, Malcolm was. And eventually many of Malcolm's admirers supported King. It's because of that mind set of Malcolms that many blacks today are still starting business's.
So Stanley in case you're on bgol today. Take a step back and retrace your steps.
To roast Malcolm over some dumb ass stuff said by some Talaban or Al Quaida asshole is out of line. At the very least Malcolm is respected by millions of Black Americans as well as others groups. He built up the NOI which in turn did take a lot of brothers out of prison and off the streets. They opened business's back in the 60s and early 70s that I worked in as a youth. He help to instill a sense of pride in ourselves that the Civil Rights Movement was lacking. Where Dr. King was not reaching northern blacks, Malcolm was. And eventually many of Malcolm's admirers supported King. It's because of that mind set of Malcolms that many blacks today are still starting business's.
So Stanley in case you're on bgol today. Take a step back and retrace your steps.
He got shot by a rival sect..not defending our civil rights. By the way I really like Malcolm X...but let's be honest: the appeal of the man is similar to the myth of the rugged individual (often typified by John Wayne) he didn't take crap. But as for what he did...? Tell me what did he DO to change the laws and conditions of the land? That was done by King and others. Because like Crouch said the ideas of the NOI and other groups where just not grounded in reality. I mean a seperate nation for blacks?
Come the Fuck on. Get Real.
That's why Obama suceeded and Jackson and his old schoool ilk fail in TODAYS world. The same way the fake ass John Wayne wasn't REALLY winning the war but still sounded cool talking shit.
We like our mythic heroes in America. Why did you think America loves JFK. Miles Davis said it best. "What did John F Kennedy ever do except have a lot of hair?" But let him get shot and VOILA! instant hero!
You know it's true.
He got shot because he started talking sense as soon as he started promoting a religion that would unite the people he got dangerous. He was safe as long as he was saying that the white man was the devil and the black man was god.
John Brown did more for blacks than Malcolm X ever did and half of you never even heard of him!
He talked the talk AND walked the walk. if Malcolm was like John Wayne; John Brown was like Audey Murphy or Sgt York.
He talked the talk AND walked the walk. if Malcolm was like John Wayne; John Brown was like Audey Murphy or Sgt York.
For the Oedipus Rex that loves John Wayne....
FUCK THAT DEVIL & HIS TOUPEE
FUCK THAT DEVIL & HIS TOUPEE
You must be high than a muthafukka, because what John Brown did, was so profane, FOR A WHATE MAN, that believe me, there were other whate folk who spoke up on his behalf.
But you better know ni66a, than John Brown wasn't doin this so you could live next door to him, or his ancestors.
lol @ sirwoodz
this the same niggu who said you can't get AIDS if you have sexual intercourse with a female.
this the same niggu who said you can't get AIDS if you have sexual intercourse with a female.
And that was aiding in changing the voting rights and other civil rights in a concrete way by...?
Saying we are all brothers in nice in a vague sort of syrupy sort of way was nothing new in the philosphy of mankind(except in the case extreme cult he was - rather rashly - involved in).
Lets not act as if it was so "profound" just because it contradicted his previous public statements. So he wised up.
Big deal.
I could have told him that and most black americans at the time could have told him that WITHOUT having to go through a dangerous and weird cultlike experience.
To me it is rather like a drug addict getting praise for being straight and getting a job. People heap praise on them all the time.
I'm like "Umm...yeah pal, the rest of us have been doing that ...WITHOUT the drama."
Marching singing clapping got us nowhere the people got scared when 'Negroes' started to get angry. That’s when things started to change. Just because Obama got the presidency doesn’t mean he aint got to kiss the white mans ass. Look at the people he has had to appoint zionists Clinton and Rahm Emanuel.
Say what you all want. Anyone who says America should adopt a bigoted, pro-slavery, women-bashing religion like Islam to alleviate its racial problem has made a serious error.
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