Sport Debate: F*CK Jordan!!! Who should have REALLY been left off the DREAM TEAM???
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No its just fine.that one line drops your basketball knowledge credibility to zero
He said himself in the book his back was shot.
man FUCK Isaih...fuck him
Amen
^^^^This Bitch Boy Right Here^^^^
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No one, so easy to say Laettner because everyone hated duke, but Laettner is one of the greatest college bball Players ever. No way Shaq should have been picked over him...
Especially in international play, Shaq would have been great for intimidation but dude was garbage at the free throw line, and other than being the biggest dude on the Court by150lbs challenged only in size by his team mates, Christian laettner at that point was a much more well rounded player that was ready for international ball.
I'm a duke fan though.
what did he do that rubbed people the wrong way so much?
because if MJ thinks you're an asshole
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Zeke threw away an NBA front office job fondling Ben Wallace
Hey!..Yall Bettah Stop Talkin Bout My Sistah GotDammit!
For what was going on at the time, everyone deserved a shot. We can always say who should have been left off. There are many who could have played but it was only 12 spots. Really, considering Magic had just had an Aids diagnosis he should have been left off for Zeke. Many could argue Bird should have been left off since his career was in somewhat a decline for an up-and-coming Reggie Miller (who was starting to shine at this point in his career). There are so many angles but to clown Drexler, Mullins, and Laetner who were playing the best basketball at that point in their career is crazy and insane. Take this from a basketball junkie who was in high school and not getting pussy at that current time.
all of you who picked Mullen either are so old you are having memory loss or to young to remember how good of a player this dude was.
Face facts if Zeke was put on the team you lose 4 players off the back Jordan, Pippen, Malone, and Stockton. You could possibly lose Bird as well because he only did it for Magic. Zeke wasn't worth that IMO. If he had showed some class and congratulated the Bulls on beating them he would've been on the team in place of Laettner. That one action could've saved him. Him organizing the Pistons with the exception of Dumars to walk off the court early sealed his fate with Jordan. Jordan already had 2 strikes on him the first being freezing him out in the all star game his first time there. The second being the ring leader of the Jordan rules with the bad boys. He pissed off Malone and Stockton by destroying Stockton in Utah after he found out he wasn't going to be on the dream team. He had 40+ going for 50 when Malone elbowed the shit out of him.
Bottom line he brought all this on himself he T.O'd himself he burnt bridges and annoyed enough people that he cost himself on being apart of timeless history. Talent wise there is no way he shouldn't have been on the team but adding him and losing other players doesn't make sense he had to be left off. To make matters worse for him he was going to be on the 96 team but he injured himself before the Olympics.
Bottom line he brought all this on himself he T.O'd himself he burnt bridges and annoyed enough people that he cost himself on being apart of timeless history. Talent wise there is no way he shouldn't have been on the team but adding him and losing other players doesn't make sense he had to be left off. To make matters worse for him he was going to be on the 96 team but he injured himself before the Olympics.
There are a couple of reasons although speculative as to why Zeke was left off the Dream Team.
Wonder why Jordan didn't want Zeke on there...
1.The Detroit Pistons had a reputation of beating the fuck out of their opponents...the Piston played dirty and they would try to hurt you literally.
As a consequence they left bad blood or burned the bridges of comradery and sportsmanship amongst their peers.
2.Zeke had a reputation of being a guy without a moral compass when it was alledged that he slept with the wife of one of the nicest guy you'd want to meet, Chicago Bulls shooting guard Craig Hodges.
But who knows? By his reputation he probably made a move on Mike's wife as well as other players wives too.
Craig Hodges
Ha Ha..He He lol,
I beat their asses on the court, Then I fucked their wives asses off the court, Then I sexually harassed their fiances and girlfriends in the office.
I'm Sooooo BAD!.
when they added the pros they said the team had to consist of one college player back then which college player was better than Laettner?????
Chris Mullin was of the best shooters in the game for a time. And slow as he was ,because he was slow. He was a very crafty defender. #17 could ball. The sweet lefty shot !
peace
This bitch ass nugga even said he didnt think he should be there & I agree with him PLUS I was a huge Bulls fans since the days of BradCellers, OrlandoBlackmon & when the CHICAGO was written in script since the mid 80s.
Mike gave him & the other twin with the glasses (forgot his name, oh yeah)Horace Grant each one of his balls plus a foot in their back to stay live out there.
Sometimes the fall away out of bounds is what we remember & used to emulate from them StJohn's days when we were kids playing in the park & in someone's yard.
His shit was $$$
Haaa
peace
This bitch ass nugga even said he didnt think he should be there & I agree with him PLUS I was a huge Bulls fans since the days of BradCellers, OrlandoBlackmon & when the CHICAGO was written in script since the mid 80s.
Mike gave him & the other twin with the glasses (forgot his name, oh yeah)Horace Grant each one of his balls plus a foot in their back to stay live out there.
There are a couple of reasons although speculative as to why Zeke was left off the Dream Team.
1.The Detroit Pistons had a reputation of beating the fuck out of their opponents...the Piston played dirty and they would try to hurt you literally.
As a consequence they left bad blood or burned the bridges of comradery and sportsmanship amongst their peers.
2.Zeke had a reputation of being a guy without a moral compass when it was alledged that he slept with the wife of one of the nicest guy you'd want to meet, Chicago Bulls shooting guard Craig Hodges.
But who knows? By his reputation he probably made a move on Mike's wife as well as other players wives too.
Craig Hodges
Ha Ha..He He lol,
I beat their asses on the court, Then I fucked their wives asses off the court, Then I sexually harassed their fiances and girlfriends in the office.
I'm Sooooo BAD!.
Nuff Said
Sometimes the fall away out of bounds is what we remember & used to emulate from them StJohn's days when we were kids playing in the park & in someone's yard.
His shit was $$$
Haaapeace
Shame on Dreamers for Thomas snub
A flaw on the golden aura of America’s 1992 Olympic Dream Team basketball champions can never be buffed out by time and should make basketball purists blink over the pettiness that left an imperfection on the closest thing possible to creating the perfect team.
The exclusion of Isiah Thomas, one of the greatest guards in NBA history and the best player in Pistons history, is the scratch that has come into focus in the 20th anniversary retrospective of the Dream Team.
The men’s champions are deservedly being hailed for their dominating drive to the Gold Medal in the Barcelona Olympics. Nothing can diminish the accomplishments of those 12 players, led and molded on the court by the late Chuck Daly, the perfect coach for the perfect team.
The NBA sent its brightest stars to the Olympics for the first time, and the world saw basketball at a level never seen before or since. They swept to victory in all eight games, with an average victory margin of 44 points per game.
Outclassed opponents whose players were as interested in having their pictures taken on the court with America’s superstars and fans watching on world-wide television saw legends in action -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley and a faded, injured version of Larry Bird in the lead roles.
One player they did not see was Isiah Thomas, the point guard of the two-time NBA champion Pistons and unquestioned leader of a team known as the Bad Boys.
If Johnson, Jordan and Bird were the Big Three of that era, then Thomas was No. 4. He was as tough as any player who ever laced on a pair of sneakers -- a ruthless competitor whom basketball coaching legend Hubie Brown once referred to as “an assassin” for his ability to produce in the clutch.
Every stat, every award, every accomplishment dictated that Isiah Thomas should have been on the Dream Team.
The Dream Team had style and substance, and the world climate was right for their appearance in the Olympics. Basketball was becoming a more global game, and the Americans wanted to reclaim their unquestioned role as the dominant world power.
The NBA stars were the gold standard -- on and off the court -- for excellence.
They had their final training session in Monte Carlo, and their arrival was like the Beatles invading Shea Stadium for their historic tour in 1965.
But for Thomas, he couldn’t even be considered the fifth Beatle, like former drummer Pete Best, who was replaced by Ringo Starr.
Thomas was never invited to the first rehearsal, let alone play with the band.
The controversy over Thomas’ exclusion has been rekindled in the celebration of the Dream Team.
The suspicion today is unchanged from 20 years ago when the team was formed without Thomas: Jordan led a group that didn’t want Thomas on the team.
Other factors may have contributed -- Thomas’ ultra-competitive nature on the court, personality clashes off the court, lingering resentment of the Bad Boys’ swagger and single-minded destruction of opponents.
A 90-mimute documentary on the Dream Team, which debuted Wednesday night on NBA TV, confirms the enmity toward Thomas.
Scottie Pippen, Jordan’s teammate on the Chicago Bulls, said sentiment against Thomas ran deep on the team.
"I despised how he played the game,'' Pippen said.
“Isiah was the general,” Pippen said, referring to how Thomas led the Pistons. "He was the guy who would yap at his teammates and say, ‘Kick them on their (rear). Do whatever you have to do.'
“No, I didn't want him on the Dream Team.”
When asked if Jordan wanted Thomas on the team, Pippen replied: “I can't speak for Michael, but I don't think he wanted him on the team.”
Also in the documentary, Jordan said he was hesitant to join the Dream Team but decided to play when Bird, Johnson and Patrick Ewing were added to the roster -- but not Thomas.
“That was one of the stipulations put to me that Isiah wasn't part of the team,” Jordan said.
And Magic Johnson, who once had a long friendship with Thomas that unraveled in later years, said there was no doubt that Thomas belonged on the team, but he “rubbed people the wrong way.”
His credentials made Thomas a worthy Olympian. He led Indiana University to the 1981 NCAA championship and was named the tournament’s most outstanding player.
He led the Pistons to three straight appearances in the NBA Finals. The Pistons won the championship in 1989 and 1990, and Thomas was MVP of the 1990 Finals.
He made the All-Star team 12 times in his 13-year NBA career and was twice the game’s MVP.
But none of that could get Thomas a place on the Dream Team. Clearly, he should have been picked ahead of such players as Clyde Drexler, a young John Stockton, and Christian Laettner of Duke, chosen as the only collegian.
Daly, the Pistons’ coach from 1983-92 who died in 2009, did not take a strong stand for Thomas. There was speculation that Daly would have favored Joe Dumars, like Thomas a Hall of Fame member and MVP of the 1989 Finals.
As coach of the Dream Team, Daly forged a relationship with Jordan, often playing golf with the Pistons’ fiercest adversary.
Jack McCallum, who covered the NBA for Sports Illustrated, talked to all 12 players for his upcoming “Dream Team” book.
I
n an interview on the FOX Network’s Dan Patrick Show this week, McCallum explained the exclusion of Thomas in simple terms.
“The easy answer is no one wanted him," McCallum said. "He just did not have anyone speaking up for him, and that includes Magic. It certainly includes Michael Jordan."
Stockton was injured before the Games began and could have been replaced. He played sparingly in the Games -- not that it mattered.
Not making a strong stand for Thomas left a mark on Daly, McCallum said.
"I think it really haunted Chuck," McCallum said. "Had Chuck come in forcefully and said, 'I want my guy, he was the captain of two championship teams,' the committee might have listened, especially after John Stockton was injured.
"But I think what happened was just too many guys did not want Isiah on that team, and when Stockton went down, the decision was not to go to Isiah.
"They probably would have gone to Joe Dumars, but they decided, ‘Let's just stick with 11 guys.’"
Thomas has had other negative issues in coaching and management, but all of those occurred years after the Barcelona Olympics.“The easy answer is no one wanted him," McCallum said. "He just did not have anyone speaking up for him, and that includes Magic. It certainly includes Michael Jordan."
Stockton was injured before the Games began and could have been replaced. He played sparingly in the Games -- not that it mattered.
Not making a strong stand for Thomas left a mark on Daly, McCallum said.
"I think it really haunted Chuck," McCallum said. "Had Chuck come in forcefully and said, 'I want my guy, he was the captain of two championship teams,' the committee might have listened, especially after John Stockton was injured.
"But I think what happened was just too many guys did not want Isiah on that team, and when Stockton went down, the decision was not to go to Isiah.
"They probably would have gone to Joe Dumars, but they decided, ‘Let's just stick with 11 guys.’"
He has been quiet on the subject, but anyone who knows him realizes he feels wronged by the Olympic slight.
Thomas shed little light on his feelings in an interview in The Detroit News this week.
"I think I will bypass that today as I have before," Thomas told reporter Terry Foster. "I will have no comment on that."
Later, Thomas added: “I will just let it go."
But history won’t let it go -- and shouldn’t.
The flaw on the Dream Team’s golden memory will never fade
http://www.foxsportsdetroit.com/06/...nding_pistons.html?blockID=746034&feedID=3701
Isiah Thomas Responds to Criticism in Dream Team Documentary
The highly-anticipated Dream Team doc aired last night on NBATV (you can watch it online if you missed it), and Isiah Thomas released a classy statement, as his exclusion from the legendary team continues to be a sore point 20 years later. From the Detroit Free Press: “Here’s Thomas’ statement that he posted on the Internet Wednesday night: ‘Today, like all Americans, I congratulate the Dream Team on their anniversary. I am proud of my career in the NBA and have fond memories of going head to head with all the members of the Team. I can’t speak to the selection process as I wasn’t involved. But 20 years later, their gold medal is still a momentous achievement.’ [...]
‘I would have had Isiah on the team,’ NBA commissioner David Stern said. ‘He’s one of the great talents, a Hall of Famer, who had two championships and was on the cusp of a third. And he played that position (point guard) in some ways like no one ever played it, or has since. He’s one of our great players.’”
Charles Barkley would’ve been fine with Isiah Thomas being on the Dream Team
With tonight’s Dream Team documentary said to feature a large amount of Isiah Thomas controversy — namely, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and perhaps others allegedly lobbied to keep Isiah off the team — it’s nice to hear at least one person wasn’t fighting too hard against Isiah’s inclusion. Via Sports Radio Interviews, here’s Charles Barkley on Thomas from the Dan Patrick Show:
Whether it’s true that players didn’t want Isiah Thomas on the Dream Team in 1992:
“That’s not true. (Host: Oh I think that’s true. I don’t think Michael (Jordan) and Scottie (Pippen) wanted Isiah on that team.) They didn’t ask any of the other players about that. (Host: Did you want Isiah on the team.) Sure I didn’t care. I didn’t care who was on the team.”
Barkley also played on the 1996 Olympic team, which featured Piston Grant Hill. He doesn’t implicate Hill in any of this, but I found this comment pretty interesting:
What it was like playing Dream Team in 92:
“People forget I played on the second Dream Team. The second Dream Team really sucked. I have to tell you something and I’ve said this privately and a few times publicly, we had so much junk going on about playing time, who was starting on the second Dream Team and on the first Dream Team we never had any of that. I’m playing with the greatest team ever assembled and everybody got along well, did we try to kill each other in practice? Of course we did but we went back to the hotel and everybody got along well, everybody respected each other and it was really cool. Then when I played the second time in Atlanta man guys were arguing with Lenny Wilkens and talking about who should be starting. 1992 was like the greatest thing ever as far as camaraderie and everybody getting along. Then in ‘96 I was like ‘you guys are kidding me, I played with the greatest team ever, and you guys aren’t that good and you’re complaining about who is starting and who is getting playing time?’ You have to be kidding me. It was incredible.”
Michael Jordan Finally Admits That He Kept Isiah Thomas Off the 1992 Olympic "Dream Team"
For years now, there have been rumors flying around indicating that Isiah Thomas was not a part of the 1992 Olympic "Dream Team" because of a beef that he had with Michael Jordan. But, until now, those rumors were only, well, rumors. MJ had never really confirmed or denied them. But, in a new "Dream Team" documentary that's set to air tonight on NBA TV to help celebrate the 20th anniversary of the team being put together, His Airness finally admits what everyone has thought for years—that he helped blackball Isiah from the team back in '92.
"That was one of the stipulations put to me…that Isiah wasn't part of the team," Jordan says in the documentary.
Scottie Pippen also makes an appearance in the documentary—along with the rest of the "Dream Team"—and agrees with MJ's sentiment. "Isiah was the general [of the Pistons]," he says. "He was the guy who would yap at his teammates and say, 'Kick them on their ass. Do whatever you have to do.' No, I didn't want him on the Dream Team."
Go set your DVR right now. This doc is definitely must-see TV.
Toilet Reading: An Oral History of the 1992 Olympic "Dream Team"
Twenty years ago, the "Dream Team" captivated the world by winning the gold medal at the 1992 Summer Olympic Games in Barcelona. But, did you ever wonder how the "Dream Team" was put together? Or, how they managed to put their egos to the side for the good of the team? Or, how they pushed one another in practice? Well, then read this excellent oral history of the '92 Olympic squad by Lang Whitaker to find out the answers to all of those questions—plus much, much more. It really was all a dream.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/06/toilet-reading-an-oral-history-of-the-1992-olympic-dream-team
The Dream Will Never Die:
An Oral History of the Dream Team
Read More http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/2...ry-1992-olympics-usa-basketball#ixzz1xoExMwZi
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Always hated the Pistons but Isaiah not being on that team was a crime. If Jordan had something to do with it he was a bitch nigga and I am a Bulls fan saying this.
WAIT A MINUTE????
Why did they not mention that petty bullshit that almost RUINED the medal ceremony?
Remember Nike WAS NOT the official sportswear...
they actually DID NOT WANT Jordan, Charles, Pippen etc to wear the outfits...
NOW that was some petty coporate bullshit that could have potentially not only effected Nike sales but the marketability of those players who refused to appear...
Why was that shit conveniently left out but over 4 mins on Isiah being LEFT OUT???
Why did they not mention that petty bullshit that almost RUINED the medal ceremony?
Remember Nike WAS NOT the official sportswear...
they actually DID NOT WANT Jordan, Charles, Pippen etc to wear the outfits...
NOW that was some petty coporate bullshit that could have potentially not only effected Nike sales but the marketability of those players who refused to appear...
Why was that shit conveniently left out but over 4 mins on Isiah being LEFT OUT???
View Poll Results: Who should have been left off instead of Isiah?
John Stockton 27 23.89%
Karl Malone 6 5.31%
Patrick Ewing 0 0%
Chris Mullin 76 67.26%
David Robinson 1 0.88%
Charles Barkley 0 0%
David Robinson 3 2.65%
Two
OH SHIT
THAT'S the REAL REASON I LEFT OFF Christian
Mourning was taken ahead of Laettner also. Either one of them would have been a better pick.
I'm looking at the poll results and see that Chris Mullin was the overwhelming choice to be left off. If we eliminate Laettner (we all know he didn't belong) Shaq should have replaced him. We know that Isaiah was the second best point guard on the planet so he had to be on the team instead of a point guard. That leaves Stockton to be left off. Of the small forwards, the worst player at that time was Larry Bird. He had only played off and on the previous season and retired soon after the Dream Team. Mullin was a dead eye shooter who really knew the game. He deserved to be on that team more than Stockton and maybe even Bird. And I love Larry Bird.
Keep the team the same
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