Woody should do a good job as Carnage
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Shiiiit Imma tell ya, I thoroughly enjoyed this flick this is THE Spidey movie I've been waiting for, seen all of them and this by far was my favorite.I see opinions on this are all over the place so I'll be brief, Mysterio was the best thing about this flick, they pushed his character's powers in a direction was not expecting. The only thing I did not like was MJ got way too much shine and the so called "romance" was bullshit, why waste time trying to entertain this morbid, drab ass bitch and is Zendaya even a female?
Effects were great story was solid, the spoilers didn't hurt this movie at all. I hope it does reach the billion dollar mark, it deserves it for expertly stringing all this year's Marvel flicks together. Oh I enjoyed Mysterio's last minute "FUCK YOU" to Spidey and Stark hooked Peter up lovely, too bad he didn't realize it. Four stars here (****) and this is my final Marvel movie I ain't getting old watching these flicks let the young guns enjoy Phase 4.
Not sure if serious
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The Spider-Man: Far From Home Mid- and Post-Credits Scenes, Explained
By Ryan Britt
Spoilers ahead, OK? Photo: Jay Maidment/CTMG
Another Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, another post-credits scene — or in the case of Spider-Man: Far From Home, a mid-credits scene, too. Here’s where I warn you: spoilers ahead. If you’ve found yourself reading this article by mistake, turn back now, because I am about to reveal that, yes, the latest MCU bonus feature brings back a familiar face: J.K. Simmons, who, in a nostalgic twist, is once again playing J. Jonah Jameson of the Daily Bugle.
It’s been 12 years since Simmons last played the unethical editor of the paper in a very different Peter Parker universe, one in which Tobey Maguire is our web-slinging hero and Kirsten Dunst uses the initials M. and J. The Sam Raimi–directed version of Spider-Man debuted in 2002, back when Simmons was a young 47 years old and Tom Holland was a mere half a decade. So, why is Simmons back now? And what does this mean for the Marvel Cinematic Universe going forward? Are we in the multiverse now?
First, the mid-credits scene:
We first see J.K. Simmons about halfway through the credits of Far From Home, speaking under the familiar banner of the Daily Bugle. This time he’s bald and bellowing into a microphone in Alex Jones fashion, accusing Spider-Man of being a “menace” who pales in comparison to the “intergalactic hero” Mysterio. By this point, we know the truth about Jake Gyllenhaal’s Quentin Beck: He isn’t a hero (or even intergalactic); he’s a disgruntled former Stark Industries employee who manufactures a series of “Avengers-worthy” disaster scenarios in order to trick the public into believing he’s a superhero from an alternate world. But that’s not what nü Jameson is reporting. Because just before Beck died, our non-supervillain captured and manipulated footage that frames Peter Parker for the devastating drone attack Beck choreographed. Jameson gets ahold of the footage and runs with the fake news, which other outlets proceed to pick up. (It’s all a not-so-subtle dig at the speed with which false information spreadsthese days.)
a paper version of the Daily Buglearound the release of Endgame in 2018). Is the new version of the Daily Bugle a proper newspaper? Probably not. Based on the only scene we get in Far From Home, the Daily Bugle (dot-net) is more likely an InfoWars-type video platform that Jameson created specifically to spread conspiracy theories and fake news. (Another newscaster refers to the Bugle as “controversial.”) This would be a timely leap for the character evolution of Jameson — from mere tabloid peddler, who responds to accusations of slander with lines like, “I resent that! Slander is spoken. In print, it’s libel,” to an alt-right conspiracy theorist with bona fide social-media influence.
And why is J.K. Simmons playing Jameson again?
To put this in perspective, having J.K. Simmons (sans hair) back as Jameson is kind of like if a mustacheless Gary Oldman returned to play Commissioner Gordon in the forthcoming Robert Pattinson Batman movie. A contemporary example of this sort of casting move is the appearances of Mark Hamill and John Wesley Shipp on the CW show The Flash, reprising their roles as the Trickster and the Flash, respectively. However, on that show, there’s a lot multiverse explaining to account for their returns. (Note: That’s a DC TV show, not a Marvel movie.) Sure, Leonard Nimoy played “future Spock” in the 2009 Star Trek reboot alongside Zachary Quinto, but that was explained in excruciating detail to be the result of an alternate universe. (Which reminds me: Remember when Spider-Man: Homecomingfeatured Kirk Thatcher playing a punk on a bus, an homage to his role in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home? Anyway …)
Far From Home gives us no such explanation. At the beginning of the movie, Mysterio has us believing that we’re finally getting a taste of the multiverse — not just time travel but a glimpse into the alternate realities we’ve long heard about. But by the end of the film, we come to learn that we’re as far from visiting an alternate Earth, or having an alternate-Earth inhabitant visit us, as ever.
So was the return of J.K. Simmons as Jameson just an inconsequential cameo?
Now that Far From Home has at least uttered the word “multiverse” in the MCU, it opens up a blurry realm of possibilities. If Simmons can play Jameson in both the old Sony Spider-Man movies from the early aughts and the current Sony-Disney collaboration, is Marvel Studios implying that the elder superhero movies are actually just alternate universes within the MCU? Maybe.
Which brings us to X-Men. Since the merging of 21st Century Fox and Disney, the X-Men are in a much better position to ease into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Fans are basically champing at the bit for a meeting between mutants and Avengers, and now it seems likely — or, at least, plausible — that such a meeting could be explained away by multiverse reasoning. Today it’s Simmons in Far From Home. But tomorrow? Could we get Patrick Stewart returning as Professor X as an instrument of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the next proper Avengers movie, by way of an alternate-reality plot?
All right, but what do we know for sure?
At the end of the day, when we talk about the return of J. Jonah Jameson, it’s impossible not to talk about the late Stan Lee. In 2010, Stan Lee told NPRthat he wrote Jameson as a dark reflection of himself. “I thought, if I were a grumpy, irritable man, which I am sometimes, how would I act?” Lee said. “And that was it.” In a way, you could argue that the return of Simmons as the ruthless media figure is a fitting inclusion; Lee can no longer make cameos in the MCU, but his proxy characters can.
Skrulls, every one of them. Photo: Jay Maidment/CTMG
What about that other post-credits scene?
So, now that we’ve exhausted J.K. Simmons’s cameo, let’s talk briefly about Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson) and Maria Hill (Cobie Smulders). In the final post-credits scene, it turns out that the Nick and Maria we met in this movie were not really Nick and Maria and instead were shape-shifting Skrull aliens, the kind we last saw in Captain Marvel. This is mostly played for laughs, as we quickly learn the “real” Nick Fury has been chilling on a Skrull spaceship the whole time, barefoot and cocktail in hand. He’d dispatched the Skrulls to do his work for him.
But, logistically, this raises a new question: How long has Nick Fury been ordering Talos (or other Skrulls) to impersonate him on Earth? Some fans thought Maria Hill was a Skrull in Infinity War, and if Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. have been teaming up with the the Skrulls since the ’90s, then, retroactively, some of the appearances of Nick Fury and Maria Hill in the MCU might not really be Nick and Maria.
Then again. What if J. Jonah Jameson’s a Skrull, too? Eh, we’ve gone off the deep end now, and we’ll probably remain there until Spider-Man 3 arrives at a yet-to-be-disclosed date. (Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, Black Widow, The Eternals, and Shang-Chi are also on their way in the near MCU future.)
The Spider-Man: Far From Home Mid- and Post-Credits Scenes, Explained
By Ryan Britt
Spoilers ahead, OK? Photo: Jay Maidment/CTMG
Another Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, another post-credits scene — or in the case of Spider-Man: Far From Home, a mid-credits scene, too. Here’s where I warn you: spoilers ahead. If you’ve found yourself reading this article by mistake, turn back now, because I am about to reveal that, yes, the latest MCU bonus feature brings back a familiar face: J.K. Simmons, who, in a nostalgic twist, is once again playing J. Jonah Jameson of the Daily Bugle.
It’s been 12 years since Simmons last played the unethical editor of the paper in a very different Peter Parker universe, one in which Tobey Maguire is our web-slinging hero and Kirsten Dunst uses the initials M. and J. The Sam Raimi–directed version of Spider-Man debuted in 2002, back when Simmons was a young 47 years old and Tom Holland was a mere half a decade. So, why is Simmons back now? And what does this mean for the Marvel Cinematic Universe going forward? Are we in the multiverse now?
First, the mid-credits scene:
We first see J.K. Simmons about halfway through the credits of Far From Home, speaking under the familiar banner of the Daily Bugle. This time he’s bald and bellowing into a microphone in Alex Jones fashion, accusing Spider-Man of being a “menace” who pales in comparison to the “intergalactic hero” Mysterio. By this point, we know the truth about Jake Gyllenhaal’s Quentin Beck: He isn’t a hero (or even intergalactic); he’s a disgruntled former Stark Industries employee who manufactures a series of “Avengers-worthy” disaster scenarios in order to trick the public into believing he’s a superhero from an alternate world. But that’s not what nü Jameson is reporting. Because just before Beck died, our non-supervillain captured and manipulated footage that frames Peter Parker for the devastating drone attack Beck choreographed. Jameson gets ahold of the footage and runs with the fake news, which other outlets proceed to pick up. (It’s all a not-so-subtle dig at the speed with which false information spreadsthese days.)
a paper version of the Daily Buglearound the release of Endgame in 2018). Is the new version of the Daily Bugle a proper newspaper? Probably not. Based on the only scene we get in Far From Home, the Daily Bugle (dot-net) is more likely an InfoWars-type video platform that Jameson created specifically to spread conspiracy theories and fake news. (Another newscaster refers to the Bugle as “controversial.”) This would be a timely leap for the character evolution of Jameson — from mere tabloid peddler, who responds to accusations of slander with lines like, “I resent that! Slander is spoken. In print, it’s libel,” to an alt-right conspiracy theorist with bona fide social-media influence.
And why is J.K. Simmons playing Jameson again?
To put this in perspective, having J.K. Simmons (sans hair) back as Jameson is kind of like if a mustacheless Gary Oldman returned to play Commissioner Gordon in the forthcoming Robert Pattinson Batman movie. A contemporary example of this sort of casting move is the appearances of Mark Hamill and John Wesley Shipp on the CW show The Flash, reprising their roles as the Trickster and the Flash, respectively. However, on that show, there’s a lot multiverse explaining to account for their returns. (Note: That’s a DC TV show, not a Marvel movie.) Sure, Leonard Nimoy played “future Spock” in the 2009 Star Trek reboot alongside Zachary Quinto, but that was explained in excruciating detail to be the result of an alternate universe. (Which reminds me: Remember when Spider-Man: Homecomingfeatured Kirk Thatcher playing a punk on a bus, an homage to his role in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home? Anyway …)
Far From Home gives us no such explanation. At the beginning of the movie, Mysterio has us believing that we’re finally getting a taste of the multiverse — not just time travel but a glimpse into the alternate realities we’ve long heard about. But by the end of the film, we come to learn that we’re as far from visiting an alternate Earth, or having an alternate-Earth inhabitant visit us, as ever.
So was the return of J.K. Simmons as Jameson just an inconsequential cameo?
Now that Far From Home has at least uttered the word “multiverse” in the MCU, it opens up a blurry realm of possibilities. If Simmons can play Jameson in both the old Sony Spider-Man movies from the early aughts and the current Sony-Disney collaboration, is Marvel Studios implying that the elder superhero movies are actually just alternate universes within the MCU? Maybe.
Which brings us to X-Men. Since the merging of 21st Century Fox and Disney, the X-Men are in a much better position to ease into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Fans are basically champing at the bit for a meeting between mutants and Avengers, and now it seems likely — or, at least, plausible — that such a meeting could be explained away by multiverse reasoning. Today it’s Simmons in Far From Home. But tomorrow? Could we get Patrick Stewart returning as Professor X as an instrument of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the next proper Avengers movie, by way of an alternate-reality plot?
All right, but what do we know for sure?
At the end of the day, when we talk about the return of J. Jonah Jameson, it’s impossible not to talk about the late Stan Lee. In 2010, Stan Lee told NPRthat he wrote Jameson as a dark reflection of himself. “I thought, if I were a grumpy, irritable man, which I am sometimes, how would I act?” Lee said. “And that was it.” In a way, you could argue that the return of Simmons as the ruthless media figure is a fitting inclusion; Lee can no longer make cameos in the MCU, but his proxy characters can.
Skrulls, every one of them. Photo: Jay Maidment/CTMG
What about that other post-credits scene?
So, now that we’ve exhausted J.K. Simmons’s cameo, let’s talk briefly about Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson) and Maria Hill (Cobie Smulders). In the final post-credits scene, it turns out that the Nick and Maria we met in this movie were not really Nick and Maria and instead were shape-shifting Skrull aliens, the kind we last saw in Captain Marvel. This is mostly played for laughs, as we quickly learn the “real” Nick Fury has been chilling on a Skrull spaceship the whole time, barefoot and cocktail in hand. He’d dispatched the Skrulls to do his work for him.
But, logistically, this raises a new question: How long has Nick Fury been ordering Talos (or other Skrulls) to impersonate him on Earth? Some fans thought Maria Hill was a Skrull in Infinity War, and if Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. have been teaming up with the the Skrulls since the ’90s, then, retroactively, some of the appearances of Nick Fury and Maria Hill in the MCU might not really be Nick and Maria.
Then again. What if J. Jonah Jameson’s a Skrull, too? Eh, we’ve gone off the deep end now, and we’ll probably remain there until Spider-Man 3 arrives at a yet-to-be-disclosed date. (Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, Black Widow, The Eternals, and Shang-Chi are also on their way in the near MCU future.)
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The Spider-Man: Far From Home Mid- and Post-Credits Scenes, Explained
By Ryan Britt
Spoilers ahead, OK? Photo: Jay Maidment/CTMG
Another Marvel Cinematic Universe movie, another post-credits scene — or in the case of Spider-Man: Far From Home, a mid-credits scene, too. Here’s where I warn you: spoilers ahead. If you’ve found yourself reading this article by mistake, turn back now, because I am about to reveal that, yes, the latest MCU bonus feature brings back a familiar face: J.K. Simmons, who, in a nostalgic twist, is once again playing J. Jonah Jameson of the Daily Bugle.
It’s been 12 years since Simmons last played the unethical editor of the paper in a very different Peter Parker universe, one in which Tobey Maguire is our web-slinging hero and Kirsten Dunst uses the initials M. and J. The Sam Raimi–directed version of Spider-Man debuted in 2002, back when Simmons was a young 47 years old and Tom Holland was a mere half a decade. So, why is Simmons back now? And what does this mean for the Marvel Cinematic Universe going forward? Are we in the multiverse now?
First, the mid-credits scene:
We first see J.K. Simmons about halfway through the credits of Far From Home, speaking under the familiar banner of the Daily Bugle. This time he’s bald and bellowing into a microphone in Alex Jones fashion, accusing Spider-Man of being a “menace” who pales in comparison to the “intergalactic hero” Mysterio. By this point, we know the truth about Jake Gyllenhaal’s Quentin Beck: He isn’t a hero (or even intergalactic); he’s a disgruntled former Stark Industries employee who manufactures a series of “Avengers-worthy” disaster scenarios in order to trick the public into believing he’s a superhero from an alternate world. But that’s not what nü Jameson is reporting. Because just before Beck died, our non-supervillain captured and manipulated footage that frames Peter Parker for the devastating drone attack Beck choreographed. Jameson gets ahold of the footage and runs with the fake news, which other outlets proceed to pick up. (It’s all a not-so-subtle dig at the speed with which false information spreadsthese days.)
a paper version of the Daily Buglearound the release of Endgame in 2018). Is the new version of the Daily Bugle a proper newspaper? Probably not. Based on the only scene we get in Far From Home, the Daily Bugle (dot-net) is more likely an InfoWars-type video platform that Jameson created specifically to spread conspiracy theories and fake news. (Another newscaster refers to the Bugle as “controversial.”) This would be a timely leap for the character evolution of Jameson — from mere tabloid peddler, who responds to accusations of slander with lines like, “I resent that! Slander is spoken. In print, it’s libel,” to an alt-right conspiracy theorist with bona fide social-media influence.
And why is J.K. Simmons playing Jameson again?
To put this in perspective, having J.K. Simmons (sans hair) back as Jameson is kind of like if a mustacheless Gary Oldman returned to play Commissioner Gordon in the forthcoming Robert Pattinson Batman movie. A contemporary example of this sort of casting move is the appearances of Mark Hamill and John Wesley Shipp on the CW show The Flash, reprising their roles as the Trickster and the Flash, respectively. However, on that show, there’s a lot multiverse explaining to account for their returns. (Note: That’s a DC TV show, not a Marvel movie.) Sure, Leonard Nimoy played “future Spock” in the 2009 Star Trek reboot alongside Zachary Quinto, but that was explained in excruciating detail to be the result of an alternate universe. (Which reminds me: Remember when Spider-Man: Homecomingfeatured Kirk Thatcher playing a punk on a bus, an homage to his role in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home? Anyway …)
Far From Home gives us no such explanation. At the beginning of the movie, Mysterio has us believing that we’re finally getting a taste of the multiverse — not just time travel but a glimpse into the alternate realities we’ve long heard about. But by the end of the film, we come to learn that we’re as far from visiting an alternate Earth, or having an alternate-Earth inhabitant visit us, as ever.
So was the return of J.K. Simmons as Jameson just an inconsequential cameo?
Now that Far From Home has at least uttered the word “multiverse” in the MCU, it opens up a blurry realm of possibilities. If Simmons can play Jameson in both the old Sony Spider-Man movies from the early aughts and the current Sony-Disney collaboration, is Marvel Studios implying that the elder superhero movies are actually just alternate universes within the MCU? Maybe.
Which brings us to X-Men. Since the merging of 21st Century Fox and Disney, the X-Men are in a much better position to ease into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Fans are basically champing at the bit for a meeting between mutants and Avengers, and now it seems likely — or, at least, plausible — that such a meeting could be explained away by multiverse reasoning. Today it’s Simmons in Far From Home. But tomorrow? Could we get Patrick Stewart returning as Professor X as an instrument of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the next proper Avengers movie, by way of an alternate-reality plot?
All right, but what do we know for sure?
At the end of the day, when we talk about the return of J. Jonah Jameson, it’s impossible not to talk about the late Stan Lee. In 2010, Stan Lee told NPRthat he wrote Jameson as a dark reflection of himself. “I thought, if I were a grumpy, irritable man, which I am sometimes, how would I act?” Lee said. “And that was it.” In a way, you could argue that the return of Simmons as the ruthless media figure is a fitting inclusion; Lee can no longer make cameos in the MCU, but his proxy characters can.
Skrulls, every one of them. Photo: Jay Maidment/CTMG
What about that other post-credits scene?
So, now that we’ve exhausted J.K. Simmons’s cameo, let’s talk briefly about Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson) and Maria Hill (Cobie Smulders). In the final post-credits scene, it turns out that the Nick and Maria we met in this movie were not really Nick and Maria and instead were shape-shifting Skrull aliens, the kind we last saw in Captain Marvel. This is mostly played for laughs, as we quickly learn the “real” Nick Fury has been chilling on a Skrull spaceship the whole time, barefoot and cocktail in hand. He’d dispatched the Skrulls to do his work for him.
But, logistically, this raises a new question: How long has Nick Fury been ordering Talos (or other Skrulls) to impersonate him on Earth? Some fans thought Maria Hill was a Skrull in Infinity War, and if Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. have been teaming up with the the Skrulls since the ’90s, then, retroactively, some of the appearances of Nick Fury and Maria Hill in the MCU might not really be Nick and Maria.
Then again. What if J. Jonah Jameson’s a Skrull, too? Eh, we’ve gone off the deep end now, and we’ll probably remain there until Spider-Man 3 arrives at a yet-to-be-disclosed date. (Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, Black Widow, The Eternals, and Shang-Chi are also on their way in the near MCU future.)
When I saw the movie.... I also thought that JJ Jonah could be the thing that makes us look at a Spider-Man multiverse.
We all know that this is what Sony really wants based on the success that they had with Into the Spider-verse and it’s the only way that they would be able to get Their 900 million dollar Venom into a Spider-Man movie... even though I hate their new version of venom.
Very serious she looked like a 12 year old boy in that movie and she had no make up on.
Not sure if serious
True, but I bet a lot of dudes would creampie Sophia Loren and Helen Mirren at the ages they are now.
White skin has it's privileges. I'd pass on white grandma pussy
A woman can be a grandma at 40 if both she and her child started young.
Jake Gyllenhaal’s Mysterio Is the Rare Villain Who Knows He’s in a Superhero Movie
By Nate Jones
Jake Gyllenhaal in Spider-man: Far From Home. Photo: Jay Maidment/CTMG, Inc./Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.
Warning: This post contains spoilers for Spider-Man: Far From Home.
A high-school-aged twink spends a pivotal summer vacation in northern Italy, where he forms a complicated bond with a handsome older man — it’s not just the plot of Call Me by Your Name, I’m also talking about the first half of Spider-Man: Far From Home. When Peter Parker (Tom Holland) finds his school trip to Venice interrupted by a terrifying CGI water monster, he and his classmates are saved by the surprise appearance of a new masked hero, Jake Gyllenhaal’s Quentin Beck, soon dubbed Mysterio. For Peter, who’s mourning the loss of his mentor, Tony Stark, Beck initially seems the perfect replacement. He’s sympathetic and supportive, a good listener who’s not afraid to bend the rules if it will help Peter grow. He’s like Mark Ruffalo in You Can Count On Me, though instead of playing pool they’re saving major cities of the former Austro-Hungarian Empire from certain destruction.
However, as Oscar Wilde might have said, to lose one’s surrogate father figure is unfortunate; to lose two looks like carelessness — and Peter is too caught up in his own issues to realize that Beck is not what he appears. The Far From Home PR team has been treating the film’s second-half reveal as if it were a major spoiler, but given that Mysterio is a familiar antagonist from Spider-Man comics, TV shows, and video games, it’s not much of a surprise when this ostensible savior turns out to have a secret plan for world domination. (My colleague Bilge Ebiri’s iron law of superhero nicknames: “If it ends in ‘-man’ it’s a hero, if it ends in ‘-o’ it’s a villain.”) What is a surprise, though, is the precise nature of his villainy: Mysterio is the rare MCU bad guy who feels like he knows he’s in a superhero movie.
Euron Greyjoy in A Feast for Crows, Beck is uncannily aware of the tropes of the story he’s in. In Far From Home, he first introduces himself to S.H.I.E.L.D. with a story about fleeing an alternate-universe Earth that had been ravaged by a squad of demons called the “Elementals.” They even, *sniff*, killed his wife and child! It’s kind of a ludicrous backstory, but after the events of Infinity War and Endgame, he scoffs, people will believeanything. The rest of his ruse seems perfectly pitched to this particular moment in the franchise, too. Beck’s Mysterio sets himself up as the natural replacement for the Avengers who recently signed off: a roguish mentor like Iron Man, yes, but also a noble, square-jawed soldier like Captain America and a grieving family man like Hawkeye. Even the multiverse aspect of his tale seems attuned to a world where Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse just came out a few months ago and fans debate how Marvel properties owned by Sony and Fox might make their way into the MCU.
Once he unmasks himself as a disgruntled former employee of Stark Industries — a type of baddie much more on Spider-Man’s level than massive meteorological monstrosities — Mysterio remains in conversation with the genre. As in every big-budget superhero film, the action scenes in Far From Home have an unnatural weightlessness to them; here, though, the gag is that this time they actually are weightless CGI, as Beck’s been faking the “Elemental” attacks through sophisticated holograms. (Like a modern superhero actor, that isn’t actually him flying through the air.) At times, he feels like a contemporary blockbuster filmmaker, painstakingly planning each battle for maximum emotional impact and berating his underlings to give him higher stakes and a bigger scale, no matter the cost. In the final showdown, he’s an actor-turned-director, barking out orders to the crew over a walkie-talkie, then turning around and delivering his quips in-character to Nick Fury. (As often happens on these projects, Beck’s so busy that he hasn’t had time to write decent dialogue. If the best he can do is a plaintive “This is for my family!,” he may need to schedule some punch-up sessions.)
Even in his final moments, Beck remains dangerously genre-savvy. His attack on London is a failure, and Spider-Man has managed to become immune to his tricks illusions through the simple act of closing his eyes. Lying wounded on Tower Bridge, he offers Peter the film’s MacGuffin, a pair of high-tech glasses once owned by Tony Stark. It’s a perfect story beat, a moment of catharsis and reconciliation that has the additional benefit of not being too violent for the kids in the audience. But that’s because it’s a hologram. The real Beck is about to shoot Peter in the head, and it’s only the timely intervention of the Spidey-sense that saves the day.
Two films in, Jon Watts’s Spider-Man movies have managed to find their own creative wavelength apart from the rest of the MCU — a little more cartoonish, slightly more gonzo, more comfortable going for the enjoyably stupid laugh. This version of Mysterio feels of a piece with all of that, down to the meta thrill of casting Gyllenhaal, who when he was Tom Holland’s age was seen as a potential replacement for Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man. When you need a character who’s self-consciously re-creating superhero tropes, who better to play him than Hollywood’s most postmodern leading man?
By Nate Jones
Jake Gyllenhaal in Spider-man: Far From Home. Photo: Jay Maidment/CTMG, Inc./Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.
Warning: This post contains spoilers for Spider-Man: Far From Home.
A high-school-aged twink spends a pivotal summer vacation in northern Italy, where he forms a complicated bond with a handsome older man — it’s not just the plot of Call Me by Your Name, I’m also talking about the first half of Spider-Man: Far From Home. When Peter Parker (Tom Holland) finds his school trip to Venice interrupted by a terrifying CGI water monster, he and his classmates are saved by the surprise appearance of a new masked hero, Jake Gyllenhaal’s Quentin Beck, soon dubbed Mysterio. For Peter, who’s mourning the loss of his mentor, Tony Stark, Beck initially seems the perfect replacement. He’s sympathetic and supportive, a good listener who’s not afraid to bend the rules if it will help Peter grow. He’s like Mark Ruffalo in You Can Count On Me, though instead of playing pool they’re saving major cities of the former Austro-Hungarian Empire from certain destruction.
However, as Oscar Wilde might have said, to lose one’s surrogate father figure is unfortunate; to lose two looks like carelessness — and Peter is too caught up in his own issues to realize that Beck is not what he appears. The Far From Home PR team has been treating the film’s second-half reveal as if it were a major spoiler, but given that Mysterio is a familiar antagonist from Spider-Man comics, TV shows, and video games, it’s not much of a surprise when this ostensible savior turns out to have a secret plan for world domination. (My colleague Bilge Ebiri’s iron law of superhero nicknames: “If it ends in ‘-man’ it’s a hero, if it ends in ‘-o’ it’s a villain.”) What is a surprise, though, is the precise nature of his villainy: Mysterio is the rare MCU bad guy who feels like he knows he’s in a superhero movie.
Euron Greyjoy in A Feast for Crows, Beck is uncannily aware of the tropes of the story he’s in. In Far From Home, he first introduces himself to S.H.I.E.L.D. with a story about fleeing an alternate-universe Earth that had been ravaged by a squad of demons called the “Elementals.” They even, *sniff*, killed his wife and child! It’s kind of a ludicrous backstory, but after the events of Infinity War and Endgame, he scoffs, people will believeanything. The rest of his ruse seems perfectly pitched to this particular moment in the franchise, too. Beck’s Mysterio sets himself up as the natural replacement for the Avengers who recently signed off: a roguish mentor like Iron Man, yes, but also a noble, square-jawed soldier like Captain America and a grieving family man like Hawkeye. Even the multiverse aspect of his tale seems attuned to a world where Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse just came out a few months ago and fans debate how Marvel properties owned by Sony and Fox might make their way into the MCU.
Once he unmasks himself as a disgruntled former employee of Stark Industries — a type of baddie much more on Spider-Man’s level than massive meteorological monstrosities — Mysterio remains in conversation with the genre. As in every big-budget superhero film, the action scenes in Far From Home have an unnatural weightlessness to them; here, though, the gag is that this time they actually are weightless CGI, as Beck’s been faking the “Elemental” attacks through sophisticated holograms. (Like a modern superhero actor, that isn’t actually him flying through the air.) At times, he feels like a contemporary blockbuster filmmaker, painstakingly planning each battle for maximum emotional impact and berating his underlings to give him higher stakes and a bigger scale, no matter the cost. In the final showdown, he’s an actor-turned-director, barking out orders to the crew over a walkie-talkie, then turning around and delivering his quips in-character to Nick Fury. (As often happens on these projects, Beck’s so busy that he hasn’t had time to write decent dialogue. If the best he can do is a plaintive “This is for my family!,” he may need to schedule some punch-up sessions.)
Even in his final moments, Beck remains dangerously genre-savvy. His attack on London is a failure, and Spider-Man has managed to become immune to his tricks illusions through the simple act of closing his eyes. Lying wounded on Tower Bridge, he offers Peter the film’s MacGuffin, a pair of high-tech glasses once owned by Tony Stark. It’s a perfect story beat, a moment of catharsis and reconciliation that has the additional benefit of not being too violent for the kids in the audience. But that’s because it’s a hologram. The real Beck is about to shoot Peter in the head, and it’s only the timely intervention of the Spidey-sense that saves the day.
Two films in, Jon Watts’s Spider-Man movies have managed to find their own creative wavelength apart from the rest of the MCU — a little more cartoonish, slightly more gonzo, more comfortable going for the enjoyably stupid laugh. This version of Mysterio feels of a piece with all of that, down to the meta thrill of casting Gyllenhaal, who when he was Tom Holland’s age was seen as a potential replacement for Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man. When you need a character who’s self-consciously re-creating superhero tropes, who better to play him than Hollywood’s most postmodern leading man?
I'm talking about the two porn stars you mentioned
in the comics his identity was revealed to the world and dr. strange made everyone forget.
I remember this battle back in May when I said..
I remember Kats saying that there isn't a Multiverse in the MCU...
Well I was right..
Kevin Feige confirms the MCU multiverse – and says it was already revealed in a Marvel movie years ago
By Bradley Russell 14 hours ago News
One line about the multiverse has secretly opened up an infinite amount of possibilities
Kevin Feige, the head of Marvel Studios, confirming that there’s a multiverse should be big news. After all, it’s the thinking fan’s choice when it comes to swiftly introducing the Fantastic Four and X-Men in Marvel Phase 4 and beyond. However, Feige is keen to remind everyone that, duh, of course the multiverse exists in the MCU. In fact, it was actually revealed way back in Doctor Strange. Confused? Don’t be – we clear up the often-overlooked line down below.
Be warned: Spider-Man: Far From Home spoilers follow.
While Mysterio was telling porkies in Far From Home (his multiverse origins, inevitably, were a lie), that doesn’t mean we can now shut down any and all multiverse speculation. In fact, Feige is actively encouraging it at this point.
Feige was asked by Fandango as to whether Mysterio’s deceitful reveal means we’ll never see the multiverse in the MCU. His answer was surprisingly frank for someone who keeps secrets for a living: “No, it just means he was full of shit,” he said. “I mean, in Doctor Strange, we hear the Ancient One talk about the multiverse, so we’ve already established it as a thing.”
Wait, wait. What? It’s a thing?
Yep. The multiverse has been namechecked in Doctor Strange – and on more than one occasion.
The Ancient One first mentions upon initially meeting Stephen Strange in Nepal. During a hallucination scene, she asks: “Who are you in this vast multiverse, Mr. Strange?”
Later, during Doctor Strange’s training, the Ancient One explains that her magic is “drawn from other dimensions of the multiverse.”
So, there you have it. Actual proof of the multiverse in the MCU. We don’t know how the multiverse will be properly introduced yet, but it’s there. Its origins as a concept in the Marvel universe have been around for some time now – we just weren’t looking hard enough.
There's only one universe to care about at this moment in time. It's the one where we have lots of big Amazon Prime Day game deals to look forward to.
https://www.gamesradar.com/mcu-multiverse-confirmed-kevin-feige-doctor-strange/
Just like I was telling Kats in the Spiderman Trailer thread..
I remember Kats saying that there isn't a Multiverse in the MCU...
Well I was right..
Kevin Feige confirms the MCU multiverse – and says it was already revealed in a Marvel movie years ago
By Bradley Russell 14 hours ago News
One line about the multiverse has secretly opened up an infinite amount of possibilities
Kevin Feige, the head of Marvel Studios, confirming that there’s a multiverse should be big news. After all, it’s the thinking fan’s choice when it comes to swiftly introducing the Fantastic Four and X-Men in Marvel Phase 4 and beyond. However, Feige is keen to remind everyone that, duh, of course the multiverse exists in the MCU. In fact, it was actually revealed way back in Doctor Strange. Confused? Don’t be – we clear up the often-overlooked line down below.
Be warned: Spider-Man: Far From Home spoilers follow.
While Mysterio was telling porkies in Far From Home (his multiverse origins, inevitably, were a lie), that doesn’t mean we can now shut down any and all multiverse speculation. In fact, Feige is actively encouraging it at this point.
Feige was asked by Fandango as to whether Mysterio’s deceitful reveal means we’ll never see the multiverse in the MCU. His answer was surprisingly frank for someone who keeps secrets for a living: “No, it just means he was full of shit,” he said. “I mean, in Doctor Strange, we hear the Ancient One talk about the multiverse, so we’ve already established it as a thing.”
Wait, wait. What? It’s a thing?
Yep. The multiverse has been namechecked in Doctor Strange – and on more than one occasion.
The Ancient One first mentions upon initially meeting Stephen Strange in Nepal. During a hallucination scene, she asks: “Who are you in this vast multiverse, Mr. Strange?”
Later, during Doctor Strange’s training, the Ancient One explains that her magic is “drawn from other dimensions of the multiverse.”
So, there you have it. Actual proof of the multiverse in the MCU. We don’t know how the multiverse will be properly introduced yet, but it’s there. Its origins as a concept in the Marvel universe have been around for some time now – we just weren’t looking hard enough.
There's only one universe to care about at this moment in time. It's the one where we have lots of big Amazon Prime Day game deals to look forward to.
https://www.gamesradar.com/mcu-multiverse-confirmed-kevin-feige-doctor-strange/
Just like I was telling Kats in the Spiderman Trailer thread..
I'm late. Just saw it today.
It was decent.... but I liked "Homecoming" much better.
I thought Michael Keaton's Vulture was way more diabolical & his acting was much better than Jake Gyllenhal's performance.
Don't get me wrong, sure Jake did his thing... he was solid... but Keaton's performance was 'a step above' in my opinion.
Also, "Far From Home" didn't have a big scene that pushed the hero to EVOLVE, like this one...
Just my opinion.
It was decent.... but I liked "Homecoming" much better.
I thought Michael Keaton's Vulture was way more diabolical & his acting was much better than Jake Gyllenhal's performance.
Don't get me wrong, sure Jake did his thing... he was solid... but Keaton's performance was 'a step above' in my opinion.
Also, "Far From Home" didn't have a big scene that pushed the hero to EVOLVE, like this one...
Just my opinion.
I'm late. Just saw it today.
It was decent.... but I liked "Homecoming" much better.
I thought Michael Keaton's Vulture was way more diabolical & his acting was much better than Jake Gyllenhal's performance.
Don't get me wrong, sure Jake did his thing... he was solid... but Keaton's performance was 'a step above' in my opinion.
Also, "Far From Home" didn't have a big scene that pushed the hero to EVOLVE, like this one...
Just my opinion.
It's funny they tied both of spiderman villains to tony stark.
I thought Peter Parker made a deal with Mephisto.
naw that was something else
We have to be talking about the same incident, there's no way Marvel had Parker revealing his identity and people forgetting about it twice.
That deal with Mephisto was related to Aunt May, but Mephisto did erase the memory of his identity as well
I stand corrected, I just read something that clears it up.
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Please clear 1 billion. PLEASE
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I liked this flick , I just liked Keaton as a villain more
This Spiderman was just a better version of Iron Man 3 retelling of Mandarin story.
I can’t say I didn’t enjoy it but it was far too simple for a Marvel movie at this point. I understand he’s a teen and there’s gonna be dumb kid shit humor in this blah blah blah. But Marvel could at least attempt at some mature-ish story line with a bit of edge.
Especially after what we just witness with End Game.
Also I don’t like how they depict Peter Parker. I completely forget he’s a science nerd, I see nothing but a regular kid. It feels like there is no Uncle Ben back story with this Spidey no lessons he’s learned from loss. It’s like Tony Stark is replacing this Spider-mans Uncle Ben. Just doesn’t feel tied to the character of Peter Parker just a kid playing Spider-Man just because. Story is just lacking not robust enough for a Marvel movie to me.
Action sequences were dope tho, Spidey kicks ass and the slick moves and fights were solid. I enjoyed this Spider-Man but it just felt out of place for some reason.
I can’t say I didn’t enjoy it but it was far too simple for a Marvel movie at this point. I understand he’s a teen and there’s gonna be dumb kid shit humor in this blah blah blah. But Marvel could at least attempt at some mature-ish story line with a bit of edge.
Especially after what we just witness with End Game.
Also I don’t like how they depict Peter Parker. I completely forget he’s a science nerd, I see nothing but a regular kid. It feels like there is no Uncle Ben back story with this Spidey no lessons he’s learned from loss. It’s like Tony Stark is replacing this Spider-mans Uncle Ben. Just doesn’t feel tied to the character of Peter Parker just a kid playing Spider-Man just because. Story is just lacking not robust enough for a Marvel movie to me.
Action sequences were dope tho, Spidey kicks ass and the slick moves and fights were solid. I enjoyed this Spider-Man but it just felt out of place for some reason.
No, I was laughing because the guy said Mysterio couldn't even beat Chriss Angel.
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That shit was funny as hell
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