Somalia Pirates & Hijackers

The Republicans lost. Top to bottom. Currently the GOP is preventing a Senator from taking office. It was the war and economy among other things. Thank you President Bush. We are not the only targets of the hijacking. Many other country's vessels have been hijacked. Maybe your family should have been on that French boat, and then we can show that we won’t be fucked with. You talk a lot of shit for an internet bully!

dude the economy destroyed the republicans. The war is what YA'LL want as an issue. Trust me, if gas was $1.29 a gallon, and we was still fighting in Iraq hard, Obama would not be president right now. The economy was the prime issue that got Obama elected.

As for the congress, weren't you complaining about the conservative democrats in the house/senate? That's how ya'll won. So yea, push for more liberal democrats in traditionally conservative districts, and see how it turns out for the democrats.
 
dude the economy destroyed the republicans. The war is what YA'LL want as an issue. Trust me, if gas was $1.29 a gallon, and we was still fighting in Iraq hard, Obama would not be president right now. The economy was the prime issue that got Obama elected.

As for the congress, weren't you complaining about the conservative democrats in the house/senate? That's how ya'll won. So yea, push for more liberal democrats in traditionally conservative districts, and see how it turns out for the democrats.

Whatever you think, ya’ll are out, and gas was $1.29 a gallon under Clinton. Keep pushing those stupid wedge issues. Gay marriage was overturned in California and you people STILLl got crushed. In 2004 you lost the senate; in 2008 you lost the White House. See a pattern? You are delusional. You need to change from your right wing nut surroundings down there in Texas, because you have no idea what the rest of the country/world is thinking.
 
Whatever you think, ya’ll are out, and gas was $1.29 a gallon under Clinton. Keep pushing those stupid wedge issues. Gay marriage was overturned in California and you people STILLl got crushed. In 2004 you lost the senate; in 2008 you lost the White House. See a pattern? You are delusional. You need to change from your right wing nut surroundings down there in Texas, because you have no idea what the rest of the country/world is thinking.

So do YOU support Gay marriage?

Since that was a big ass issue, I wonder how it would be if you make a gay marriage THREAD on the main forum. I mean, since its the "straw that broke the elephant back". Lets see who is right in this argument. I'm sure most of BGOL would take your support for GAY marriage with proper respect.

Dude, I'm not an ideologue. I honest to god see what happen to my side. When my side do not act like MY side, my side gets beat. I don't need to change anything because trust me, my family/friends are very diverse. Not to mention, last time I checked TEXAS is the richest state in the Union. So there's something this RIGHT WING state is doing that is right. People are moving down here, not the other way around. Yet, you wanna hate on my fucking state like a bitch that you are.

The truth about the two elections is evident. Our side didn't act like OUR side. They apologize too much, and tried to fit in with everyone. To win in 2010, and 2012, my side have to be OUR side. Meaning, they need to express the need for smaller government and MEAN IT. They need to attack the lack of Foreign Policy that's going on right now. They need to talk about cutting capital gains tax into the 20 percentile to spark growth in OUR economy. They need to leave meaningless debates alone like Abortion, and illegal immigration. Only because it only become soundbites for propaganda messages for the LEFT. This is what needs to happen.

Remember this, and you can look at it in history in America, the left wins IN SPITE of the right, not the other way around. This country is right to center by nature. The left deals with groups, yet everyone believes that they are an individual with individual rights. This is why majority of Democratic policies fail.
 
Actinanass, answer me this...do you own a business or receive passive income of any type? If so, that will answer many questions I have about your perspective on things. As it stands now, you simply seem like an ultra-conservative troll...and a hardliner to boot.
 
Actinanass, answer me this...do you own a business or receive passive income of any type? If so, that will answer many questions I have about your perspective on things. As it stands now, you simply seem like an ultra-conservative troll...and a hardliner to boot.

yes me and my fam own a number of businesses. How do I sound like an ultra right winger if I state the truth of the matter? Is it that hard to see that the democrats we have now, do not care about economic growth as much as the republicans? An ultra right-winger tends not to be consistent when it comes to criticizing their side. I've criticize Bush on number of things *how he approach fighting the war, bail outs, dissing Colin for Rumsfled, and lack of leadership VOCALLY.*

I've came to the conclusion that this current crop of Democrats will not better this country. I supported Clinton because he was able to work with both sides. I don't see Obama being able to do that RIGHT NOW. I support true bipartisanship. So does that make me ultra right wing, or does it prove that you're ultra left wing?
 
So do YOU support Gay marriage?

Since that was a big ass issue, I wonder how it would be if you make a gay marriage THREAD on the main forum. I mean, since its the "straw that broke the elephant back". Lets see who is right in this argument. I'm sure most of BGOL would take your support for GAY marriage with proper respect.

Dude, I'm not an ideologue. I honest to god see what happen to my side. When my side do not act like MY side, my side gets beat. I don't need to change anything because trust me, my family/friends are very diverse. Not to mention, last time I checked TEXAS is the richest state in the Union. So there's something this RIGHT WING state is doing that is right. People are moving down here, not the other way around. Yet, you wanna hate on my fucking state like a bitch that you are.

The truth about the two elections is evident. Our side didn't act like OUR side. They apologize too much, and tried to fit in with everyone. To win in 2010, and 2012, my side have to be OUR side. Meaning, they need to express the need for smaller government and MEAN IT. They need to attack the lack of Foreign Policy that's going on right now. They need to talk about cutting capital gains tax into the 20 percentile to spark growth in OUR economy. They need to leave meaningless debates alone like Abortion, and illegal immigration. Only because it only become soundbites for propaganda messages for the LEFT. This is what needs to happen.

Remember this, and you can look at it in history in America, the left wins IN SPITE of the right, not the other way around. This country is right to center by nature. The left deals with groups, yet everyone believes that they are an individual with individual rights. This is why majority of Democratic policies fail.

It's no big deal to me. I'm not gay, how does it affect me? However, right wing/conservative economic policies have ruined the US economy.
 
Please explain this to me, how do lowering taxes for businesses mess up the economy?

They pay low taxes now, have you seen the economy? You admitted that they hide in the loop holes. Business, try offering the consumer something they want, then you will see the economy flourish.
 
Is it just me or does the back and forth between these 2 gentleman seem like generals fighting the last war oblivious to the new realities that is upon them?

The illusion of a 2 party system is painfully obvious for anyone to see. That is if he/she is willing to digest it.

Some lightreading for anyone interested. Peruse it at your leisure then make your own conclusion.

Here's an except from Glenn Greenwald:


So that Barack Obama -- the one trying to convince Democrats to make him their nominee and then their President -- said that abducting people and imprisoning them without charges was (a) un-American; (b) tyrannical; (c) unnecessary to fight Terrorism; (d) a potent means for stoking anti-Americanism and fueling Terrorism; (e) a means of endangering captured American troops, Americans traveling abroad and Americans generally; and (f) a violent betrayal of core, centuries-old Western principles of justice. But today's Barack Obama, safely ensconced in the White House, fights tooth and nail to preserve his power to do exactly that.

The full article here

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/


Another example is the policy of bailouts started by Bush,Bernanke,Paulson and Geitner has been adopted and placed on steroids by Obama,Bernanke,Summers and Geitner.
 
Whatchi saying bro ? ? ?

QueEx


My bad I didn't finish the ending.

Basically the ideological back and forth between our 2 fine gentlemen is pointless and in actuality bogus. Regardless of what their propaganda ummm political machines say it is nothing more than a distraction to keep the general populace unaware. Once in office their policies continue or compliment each other toward the goal of concentrating power within a small group while the respective supporters continue the, unknown to them, fake ideological fight.

The era of a true distintion between political causes and a debate over who has the best ideas on how to run this country is over. A new breed has emerged. An amoral non ideological globalist that doesn't care about nationalism,political boundaries, race, religion, culture or any of the many distintions we place on ourselves. Their only concern at this point is putting in place some kind of manageable system of global interconnection based on what and to what means I don't see.....yet....They are holding their cards close but my senses are telling me this is Jekyll Island all over again only on a global scale.

Hope this clears it up a bit and spark a conversation about it.
 
They pay low taxes now, have you seen the economy? You admitted that they hide in the loop holes. Business, try offering the consumer something they want, then you will see the economy flourish.

most consumers want lower prices, and better quality of product. If you lower taxes, it tends to bring out new entrepreneurs into different markets. Meaning, there would be a spark of competition. Competition tends to bring the best out of any situation. *if you don't believe me, look at the Madden, WWE, and Microsoft*

I understand that you think taxes are low enough, however, in a economic downturn, the best way to bring it back up is to LOWER TAXES all together. If you don't believe me, go ask Herbert Hoover....
 
My bad I didn't finish the ending.

Basically the ideological back and forth between our 2 fine gentlemen is pointless and in actuality bogus. Regardless of what their propaganda ummm political machines say it is nothing more than a distraction to keep the general populace unaware. Once in office their policies continue or compliment each other toward the goal of concentrating power within a small group while the respective supporters continue the, unknown to them, fake ideological fight.

The era of a true distintion between political causes and a debate over who has the best ideas on how to run this country is over. A new breed has emerged. An amoral non ideological globalist that doesn't care about nationalism,political boundaries, race, religion, culture or any of the many distintions we place on ourselves. Their only concern at this point is putting in place some kind of manageable system of global interconnection based on what and to what means I don't see.....yet....They are holding their cards close but my senses are telling me this is Jekyll Island all over again only on a global scale.

Hope this clears it up a bit and spark a conversation about it.

First of all, the debate is never over about how to run this country. That is an endless debate only because its the American way to debate over difference of opinion, and have the coolness to smoke a blunt with each other afterward. Do I have a problem with Thought outside of politics? Hell naw. If Thought ever come to Dallas, I'll take him to a strip joint, and fuck with some hoes a little bit. However, politically, we don't see eye to eye, and that's ok.

Secondly, we all see what you are saying about the global scale of things. This is why I'm against the UN. The United Nations would not be anything if the United States wasn't in it. Remember what happened with the league of nations bullshit.
 
First of all, the debate is never over about how to run this country. That is an endless debate only because its the American way to debate over difference of opinion, and have the coolness to smoke a blunt with each other afterward. Do I have a problem with Thought outside of politics? Hell naw. If Thought ever come to Dallas, I'll take him to a strip joint, and fuck with some hoes a little bit. However, politically, we don't see eye to eye, and that's ok.

Secondly, we all see what you are saying about the global scale of things. This is why I'm against the UN. The United Nations would not be anything if the United States wasn't in it. Remember what happened with the league of nations bullshit.

And this is the problem I have with the so called conservative ethic. Moralizing everything and then justifying politically on this. If you are against gay marriage, because you consider it dangerous to morality, may be corrupting children or the meaning of marriage, why would you proclaim your fondness for porn, which has destroyed more marriages, people and debases females? Now if you are conservative because of some patriarchal, macho and testosterone point of view, then state that. Then we can argue the merits or detriments of that. The golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules is increasingly not in the United Status’s favor. Either we are going to enforce this by bankrupting our society with militarism or are we going to find a less expensive long lasing solution. And philosophically this is at the root of where I’m arguing.

BTW, there are more than enough titty bars here in the ATL. I haven't been to one in years.
 
First of all, the debate is never over about how to run this country. That is an endless debate only because its the American way to debate over difference of opinion, and have the coolness to smoke a blunt with each other afterward. Do I have a problem with Thought outside of politics? Hell naw. If Thought ever come to Dallas, I'll take him to a strip joint, and fuck with some hoes a little bit. However, politically, we don't see eye to eye, and that's ok.

Secondly, we all see what you are saying about the global scale of things. This is why I'm against the UN. The United Nations would not be anything if the United States wasn't in it. Remember what happened with the league of nations bullshit.


The UN????The UN is an insignificant organization irrelevant except for it's humanitarian mission.

I get it now this is just a casual conversation about political ideology. Nothing serious here. I used to do the same thing, smoke some spliffs, have a few cold ones, talk about politics and other subjects until I saw with my own eyes the death, destruction and deprevation the practitioners of ideology bring to humankind in their quest to prove their ideology, religion or whatever have the only true answers.
Okay I'm gonna stop here. I'm feeling the urge to climb a stepladder with a megaphone and go on a rant.

btw way back when exhaling fully before taking a puff increased the effort. This emptied the lungs completely, then inhale fast and deep, finally exhale sloooowly. Something to try maybe.

Carry on
 
yes me and my fam own a number of businesses. How do I sound like an ultra right winger if I state the truth of the matter? Is it that hard to see that the democrats we have now, do not care about economic growth as much as the republicans? An ultra right-winger tends not to be consistent when it comes to criticizing their side. I've criticize Bush on number of things *how he approach fighting the war, bail outs, dissing Colin for Rumsfled, and lack of leadership VOCALLY.*

I've came to the conclusion that this current crop of Democrats will not better this country. I supported Clinton because he was able to work with both sides. I don't see Obama being able to do that RIGHT NOW. I support true bipartisanship. So does that make me ultra right wing, or does it prove that you're ultra left wing?

I'm not ultra left wing at all; a better description would be left of center. On many matters, I do lean to the left slightly, but I'm a fiscal conservative. I support many of Obama's initiatives in principle, but I am wary of the massive amount of taxpayer money being used to bring said initiatives to fruition. With the exception of education and domestic infrastructure spending, I think much of the stimulus is excessive. Anyway, I just needed to clarify to understand where you're coming from. Now that I know that you and your family own several businesses, your position makes more sense to me.

What I do take exception to is your hardliner stance on how Obama should act in certain situations. That is, however, a matter of opinion and therefore a useless debate. The same can be said about our opposing views on morality.
 
Somali Pirates Seize Another Boat

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:smh:
 
And this is the problem I have with the so called conservative ethic. Moralizing everything and then justifying politically on this. If you are against gay marriage, because you consider it dangerous to morality, may be corrupting children or the meaning of marriage, why would you proclaim your fondness for porn, which has destroyed more marriages, people and debases females? Now if you are conservative because of some patriarchal, macho and testosterone point of view, then state that. Then we can argue the merits or detriments of that. The golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules is increasingly not in the United Status’s favor. Either we are going to enforce this by bankrupting our society with militarism or are we going to find a less expensive long lasing solution. And philosophically this is at the root of where I’m arguing.

BTW, there are more than enough titty bars here in the ATL. I haven't been to one in years.

1. I'm not against gay marriage as a social tool, however, I'm against the economic impact once you make it a legal issue.

2. You really do not understand conservatism at all. Conservatism is about being an individual on the most part. You think I'm going to let porn mess up any type of relationship I have? There's a thing called personal responsibility. I see how you view people. You think they are too stupid to do the right thing right? That's why you would bring up "broken families" argument. I'm not the one to give the guilty trip on. I like porn because I like porn. I like fucking women because fucking women is fun. I like cussing, sippin drank, talking about sports, gambling, and sometimes smoking a blunt. All of this is my personal choice. Do I go to church? Yes. Hell, if I didn't do some of the shit I do, I wouldn't have anything to pray about. My point is, I'm not a mindless follower of the far right. However, I agree more with the conservatives than the left, right now. Why is it so hard for you to figure that out?

2. So if you tax all the gold away from private businesses, could it be the government that makes all the rules? And, is that a good thing? By the way, if more people was able to make their own businesses, does that make more Americans have some power financially to be heard? He who owns his/herself cannot be controlled.

3. What is so macho about wanting America to have a strong military, good job market, and strong economy to follow? Is it that its too macho for you, you too pussy for that line of thinking, or possibly both?

4. The strip joint issue was a metaphor. Quit taking everything so literally. BTW, I heard that Dallas has caught up with ATL with the strip joints. I don't know how true that is....
 
I'm not ultra left wing at all; a better description would be left of center. On many matters, I do lean to the left slightly, but I'm a fiscal conservative. I support many of Obama's initiatives in principle, but I am wary of the massive amount of taxpayer money being used to bring said initiatives to fruition. With the exception of education and domestic infrastructure spending, I think much of the stimulus is excessive. Anyway, I just needed to clarify to understand where you're coming from. Now that I know that you and your family own several businesses, your position makes more sense to me.

What I do take exception to is your hardliner stance on how Obama should act in certain situations. That is, however, a matter of opinion and therefore a useless debate. The same can be said about our opposing views on morality.

1. this is why I say that you have to have a mixture of house democrats, and senate republicans. When it's like this, you either going to have too much spending, or "not enough" spending.

2. What is so hard line about talking about Obama needs to lower taxes to businesses? To not be so apologetic for any reason. I would think that's common sense....
 
Another situation resolved. Conservatives cannot use as a political issue against Obama, Democrats, liberals.

source: Huffington Post

Captain Richard Phillips Freed From Somali Pirates

***UPDATE 1:48PM***
According to CNN, the three pirates killed were shot either by NAVY Seals or some other group of U.S. special forces. Phillips apparently jumped overboard, again, during the rescue attempt. He was uninjured. The pirate who was captured was on the warship the USS Bainbridge to negotiate for Phillips' release when the rescue attempt was carried out.

Check back for more information.

--

CNN reports that Captain Richard Phillips, the American held hostage by Somali pirates, has been freed. Three of the four pirates holding him were reportedly killed and one is in custody. Phillips was not injured the rescue operation.

Standard procedure is for family members to be alerted to the rescue first, and apparently Captain Phillips' family has known about the successful rescue attempt for several hours.

Stay tuned for more information.
 
Another situation resolved. Conservatives cannot use as a political issue against Obama, Democrats, liberals.

Captain Richard Phillips Freed From Somali Pirates

LOL. Certainly not the results 3A anticipated.

QueEx
 
Please explain this to me, how do lowering taxes for businesses mess up the economy?

You can't be serious. Really? Dude, come on ...

My bad I didn't finish the ending.

Basically the ideological back and forth between our 2 fine gentlemen is pointless and in actuality bogus. Regardless of what their propaganda ummm political machines say it is nothing more than a distraction to keep the general populace unaware. Once in office their policies continue or compliment each other toward the goal of concentrating power within a small group while the respective supporters continue the, unknown to them, fake ideological fight.

The era of a true distintion between political causes and a debate over who has the best ideas on how to run this country is over. A new breed has emerged. An amoral non ideological globalist that doesn't care about nationalism,political boundaries, race, religion, culture or any of the many distintions we place on ourselves. Their only concern at this point is putting in place some kind of manageable system of global interconnection based on what and to what means I don't see.....yet....They are holding their cards close but my senses are telling me this is Jekyll Island all over again only on a global scale.

Hope this clears it up a bit and spark a conversation about it.

Knowledge.

most consumers want lower prices, and better quality of product. If you lower taxes, it tends to bring out new entrepreneurs into different markets. Meaning, there would be a spark of competition. Competition tends to bring the best out of any situation. *if you don't believe me, look at the Madden, WWE, and Microsoft*

I understand that you think taxes are low enough, however, in a economic downturn, the best way to bring it back up is to LOWER TAXES all together. If you don't believe me, go ask Herbert Hoover....

Madden, WWE and Microsoft? :confused: Da fuck ...

Dude, your reasoning is mad elementary at times. No offense.

It befuddles me how you conservatives seem to attempt to balance every athropo-socio-geo-econo-political (... LMAO) equation with tax cuts.

"Aw fuck! I'm out of soy sauce.
. . . Tax cuts! :angry::angry:

Reaganomic deregulation and "trickle-down" economics right? When the fuck has trickle-down anything (fuck it, ... in any figurative context) in the hisory of civilization ever worked sustainably?

You need to read jarod Diamond's book "Collapse".

If you're not the "reading type", you can browse the synopsis at the very least.

And this is the problem I have with the so called conservative ethic. Moralizing everything and then justifying politically on this. If you are against gay marriage, because you consider it dangerous to morality, may be corrupting children or the meaning of marriage, why would you proclaim your fondness for porn, which has destroyed more marriages, people and debases females? Now if you are conservative because of some patriarchal, macho and testosterone point of view, then state that.

$5 says It's the later. It typically is.

I get it now this is just a casual conversation about political ideology. Nothing serious here. I used to do the same thing, smoke some spliffs, have a few cold ones, talk about politics and other subjects until I saw with my own eyes the death, destruction and deprevation the practitioners of ideology bring to humankind in their quest to prove their ideology, religion or whatever have the only true answers.

C/S 100%

What I do take exception to is your hardliner stance on how Obama should act in certain situations.

It's just the neocon knee-jerk macho trip. Just like Gingrich's lunatic comments about "taking out" the North Korean's regarding the missle launch.

Pubescent tough talk, that's all.

That is, however, a matter of opinion and therefore a useless debate. The same can be said about our opposing views on morality.

Exactly.

1. I'm not against gay marriage as a social tool, however, I'm against the economic impact once you make it a legal issue.

Economic impact? :lol:

Fuckouttahere man.

No, seriously.


2. So if you tax all the gold away from private businesses, could it be the government that makes all the rules? And, is that a good thing? By the way, if more people was able to make their own businesses, does that make more Americans have some power financially to be heard? He who owns his/herself cannot be controlled.

When has the "government" ever not made the rules?
Y'all kill me with this "Big Government vs Small Government" rhetoric.
Please define, succinctly and specifically, "Small Government"

 
Please explain this to me, how do lowering taxes for businesses mess up the economy?

You can't be serious. Really? Dude, come on ...

My bad I didn't finish the ending.

Basically the ideological back and forth between our 2 fine gentlemen is pointless and in actuality bogus. Regardless of what their propaganda ummm political machines say it is nothing more than a distraction to keep the general populace unaware. Once in office their policies continue or compliment each other toward the goal of concentrating power within a small group while the respective supporters continue the, unknown to them, fake ideological fight.

The era of a true distintion between political causes and a debate over who has the best ideas on how to run this country is over. A new breed has emerged. An amoral non ideological globalist that doesn't care about nationalism,political boundaries, race, religion, culture or any of the many distintions we place on ourselves. Their only concern at this point is putting in place some kind of manageable system of global interconnection based on what and to what means I don't see.....yet....They are holding their cards close but my senses are telling me this is Jekyll Island all over again only on a global scale.

Hope this clears it up a bit and spark a conversation about it.

Knowledge.

most consumers want lower prices, and better quality of product. If you lower taxes, it tends to bring out new entrepreneurs into different markets. Meaning, there would be a spark of competition. Competition tends to bring the best out of any situation. *if you don't believe me, look at the Madden, WWE, and Microsoft*

I understand that you think taxes are low enough, however, in a economic downturn, the best way to bring it back up is to LOWER TAXES all together. If you don't believe me, go ask Herbert Hoover....

Madden, WWE and Microsoft? :confused: Da fuck ...

Dude, your reasoning is mad elementary at times. No offense.

It befuddles me how you conservatives seem to attempt to balance every athropo-socio-geo-econo-political (... LMAO) equation with tax cuts.

"Aw fuck! I'm out of soy sauce.
. . . Tax cuts! :angry::angry:

Reaganomic deregulation and "trickle-down" economics right? When the fuck has trickle-down anything (fuck it, ... in any figurative context) in the hisory of civilization ever worked sustainably?

You need to read jarod Diamond's book "Collapse".

If you're not the "reading type", you can browse the synopsis at the very least.

And this is the problem I have with the so called conservative ethic. Moralizing everything and then justifying politically on this. If you are against gay marriage, because you consider it dangerous to morality, may be corrupting children or the meaning of marriage, why would you proclaim your fondness for porn, which has destroyed more marriages, people and debases females? Now if you are conservative because of some patriarchal, macho and testosterone point of view, then state that.

$5 says It's the later. It typically is.

I get it now this is just a casual conversation about political ideology. Nothing serious here. I used to do the same thing, smoke some spliffs, have a few cold ones, talk about politics and other subjects until I saw with my own eyes the death, destruction and deprevation the practitioners of ideology bring to humankind in their quest to prove their ideology, religion or whatever have the only true answers.

C/S 100%

What I do take exception to is your hardliner stance on how Obama should act in certain situations.

It's just the neocon knee-jerk macho trip. Just like Gingrich's lunatic comments about "taking out" the North Korean's regarding the missle launch.

Pubescent tough talk, that's all.

That is, however, a matter of opinion and therefore a useless debate. The same can be said about our opposing views on morality.

Exactly.

1. I'm not against gay marriage as a social tool, however, I'm against the economic impact once you make it a legal issue.

Economic impact? :lol:

Fuckouttahere man.

No, seriously.


2. So if you tax all the gold away from private businesses, could it be the government that makes all the rules? And, is that a good thing? By the way, if more people was able to make their own businesses, does that make more Americans have some power financially to be heard? He who owns his/herself cannot be controlled.

When has the "government" ever not made the rules?
Y'all kill me with this "Big Government vs Small Government" rhetoric.
Please define, succinctly and specifically, "Small Government"
 
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Crew members of the Maersk Alabama
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Cable News Network
April 13, 2009


Two pirates in Somalia vowed revenge Monday, after the U.S. military killed three pirates and freed a U.S. ship captain who had been held hostage for several days.

The pirates told a Somali journalist that they were angered by the U.S. action, as well as a French raid Friday that killed two pirates and one hostage and freed four hostages.

"We have decided to kill U.S. and French sailors if they happen to be among our future hostages," said Abdullahi Ahmed, a member of a pirate group based at Harardhere, a coastal town in central Somalia.

Members of the U.S. Navy shot and killed three pirates who had been holding Capt. Richard Phillips hostage in a lifeboat on Sunday evening, a military official said. The pirates seized Phillips after a failed attempt to hijack his ship, the Maersk Alabama.

For five days the pirates held Phillips in the lifeboat as U.S. Navy ships closed in and lingered nearby.

On Sunday, U.S. Navy snipers opened fire on the lifeboat after seeing one pirate point an AK-47 at the captain's back, the U.S. military said. The shootings occurred as one pirate was aboard the USS Bainbridge negotiating over Phillips' fate

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/13/somalia.pirates.revenge/
 
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Anyone check the CNN and Faux Snooze coverage of the story? Really not much difference. Neither truly gave Obama any credit. Liberal media:lol:
 
Anyone check the CNN and Faux Snooze coverage of the story? Really not much difference. Neither truly gave Obama any credit. Liberal media:lol:
Looks like he gave them what he wanted them to have.

The President played this thing low key and staying in the background, as he should have. He gave the proper orders (some might debate this) and stood back and let his forces handle their business.

He didn't come out <s>actinanass</s>, I mean, rah, rah this or rah, rah that. And, I think, for good reason. Check out this analysis from the Associated Press:

For Obama, the benefits were instantly clear: an American life saved and a major victory notched against an increasingly worrisome scourge of the seas off the Horn of Africa.

Obama's handling of the crisis showed a president who was comfortable in relying on the U.S. military, much as his predecessor, George W. Bush, did.

But it also showed a new commander in chief who was willing to use all the tools at his disposal, bringing in federal law enforcement officials to handle the judicial elements of the crisis.

The rescue appeared to vindicate Obama's muted but determined handling of the incident. What won't be known for some time is whether Obama will benefit politically.

When Obama campaigns for re-election, he may take Bush's approach of turning any such incident into evidence of his leadership acumen. On the other hand, Obama didn't go before the cameras Sunday to trumpet the success, instead releasing a written statement that saluted the bravery of the military and Phillips but claimed no credit for himself.

Also, this crisis, while topping the news now, may fade into distant memory by the time voters get a chance to take any new measure of Obama and his party.

Still, it goes some way toward dispelling the notion that a liberal Democrat with a known distaste for war - Obama campaigned on his consistent opposition to the Iraq invasion - doesn't have the chops to call on U.S. military power.

The sniper operation Sunday, with pirate guns aimed at Phillips, was a daring, high-stakes gambit, and it could have easily gone awry. If it had, the fallout would have probably landed hardest on Obama.

Indeed, the last Democratic president to unleash American military might against Somalis suffered miserably from the failure of that operation. Portrayed in the book and movie "Black Hawk Down," a U.S. peacekeeping mission in Somalia ended with a deadly clash in the capital of Mogadishu and former President Bill Clinton's humiliating withdrawal of troops.

The outcome this time was vastly different.

Since the standoff began last Tuesday, Obama made no public, in-person remarks on the topic, even declining to answer when questions were shouted at him during a press availability.

He didn't call in his Cabinet for a high-profile command meeting. He let military and top administration officials do the talking, but even they kept saber rattling out of the equation.

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said Obama's silence does not mean he wasn't deeply involved. The president's public posture was calculated to not raise the temperature or give the hostage-takers anything to exploit.

"Let's not confuse a public role with being on top of the situation," Emanuel said. "If you'd interjected yourself, you would make the discussions that were happening more difficult."

So what Obama did was receive regular briefings, sometimes as often as half a dozen times a day. He weighed in with two critical decisions allowing the military to take action to save Phillips' life. And he laid the groundwork for a federal criminal law enforcement response.

White House officials said the Justice Department is already reviewing evidence to determine whether to file criminal charges against the captured Somali pirate. The U.S. is treating the matter as a criminal case because officials have found no direct ties between East African pirates and terror groups.

Obama doesn't like labels for himself or catch phrases for policy. So it's notable that in an administration that has virtually banned the phrase "war on terror," no one called the pirates "terrorists."

actinanass; don't even comment.

QueEx
 
source: AT&T.net

Analysis: Obama beats first national security test

Published: 4/13/09, 11:46 AM EDT

By JENNIFER LOVEN

WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S. economy is showing only glimmers of life and two costly wars remain in the balance, but President Barack Obama's "no drama" handling of the Indian Ocean hostage crisis proved a big win for his administration in one of its first critical national security tests.

Obama's two quiet backstage decisions to authorize the Defense Department to take necessary action if Capt. Richard Phillips' life was in imminent danger gave a Navy commander the go-ahead to order snipers to fire on the pirates holding the cargo ship captain at gunpoint.

For Obama, the benefits were instantly clear: an American life saved and a major victory notched against an increasingly worrisome scourge of the seas off the Horn of Africa.

Obama's handling of the crisis showed a president who was comfortable in relying on the U.S. military, much as his predecessor, George W. Bush, did.


But it also showed a new commander in chief who was willing to use all the tools at his disposal, bringing in federal law enforcement officials to handle the judicial elements of the crisis.

The rescue appeared to vindicate Obama's muted but determined handling of the incident. What won't be known for some time is whether Obama will benefit politically.

When Obama campaigns for re-election, he may take Bush's approach of turning any such incident into evidence of his leadership acumen. On the other hand, Obama didn't go before the cameras Sunday to trumpet the success, instead releasing a written statement that saluted the bravery of the military and Phillips but claimed no credit for himself.

Also, this crisis, while topping the news now, may fade into distant memory by the time voters get a chance to take any new measure of Obama and his party.

Still, it goes some way toward dispelling the notion that a liberal Democrat with a known distaste for war - Obama campaigned on his consistent opposition to the Iraq invasion - doesn't have the chops to call on U.S. military power.

This confirms the myth of the “liberal media.” The so called main stream media never called Bush or the Republican Party out for their use of macho, saber rattling as the only reason that the republicans were hanging on to their power. The argument is always the liberals (which they try to link to democrats in general which we all know they are totally distinctive) are they up to being tough enough to kick some military ass. Rather than, the republicans are hawkish to mask their ideological shortcomings.

The sniper operation Sunday, with pirate guns aimed at Phillips, was a daring, high-stakes gambit, and it could have easily gone awry. If it had, the fallout would have probably landed hardest on Obama.

This is what I meant by not giving Obama credit. Rather than highlight the success, a success that clearly would have been bestrode on Bush or any republican/conservative/right wing president, they bring up the “it could have gone wrong” scenario. Has the main stream media really held Bush and Cheney to task for the debacle of Iraq?

Indeed, the last Democratic president to unleash American military might against Somalis suffered miserably from the failure of that operation. Portrayed in the book and movie "Black Hawk Down," a U.S. peacekeeping mission in Somalia ended with a deadly clash in the capital of Mogadishu and former President Bill Clinton's humiliating withdrawal of troops

The outcome this time was vastly different..

Not defending Clinton, but does the media ever make known his success of Yugoslavia in 1999? No Americans killed and still peaceful.

Since the standoff began last Tuesday, Obama made no public, in-person remarks on the topic, even declining to answer when questions were shouted at him during a press availability.

He didn't call in his Cabinet for a high-profile command meeting. He let military and top administration officials do the talking, but even they kept saber rattling out of the equation.

White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said Obama's silence does not mean he wasn't deeply involved. The president's public posture was calculated to not raise the temperature or give the hostage-takers anything to exploit.

"Let's not confuse a public role with being on top of the situation," Emanuel said. "If you'd interjected yourself, you would make the discussions that were happening more difficult."

So what Obama did was receive regular briefings, sometimes as often as half a dozen times a day. He weighed in with two critical decisions allowing the military to take action to save Phillips' life. And he laid the groundwork for a federal criminal law enforcement response.

White House officials said the Justice Department is already reviewing evidence to determine whether to file criminal charges against the captured Somali pirate. The U.S. is treating the matter as a criminal case because officials have found no direct ties between East African pirates and terror groups.

Obama doesn't like labels for himself or catch phrases for policy. So it's notable that in an administration that has virtually banned the phrase "war on terror,"
no one called the pirates "terrorists."

A phrase which would have surely been exploited if a republican/conservative was in office.

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EDITOR'S NOTE - Jennifer Loven has covered the White House for The Associated Press since 2002.
 
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